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Whose pyjamas did the McCanns hold up at those June 2007 press conferences?

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Post by Tony Bennett 07.01.20 22:30

@crusader,

One option is that Luis Forra was corrupt.

Going, for a moment, with your reasonable suggestion that he was probably not corrupt, then a possible scenario is that the McCanns, or an agent of the McCanns, gave him this photo TELLING him that this was a photo of a catalogue 'stock' photo.

I am grateful to Jill for swiftly posting all the photos we need thumbsup and for @crusader's helpful concession thumbsup that the pyjamas are IDENTICAL in both photos.

This is so mind-blowing that it demands further investigation. IMO Dr Martin Roberts has carried out flawless research.

Perhaps he could have arranged his material a touch more clearly.

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by Verdi 08.01.20 0:31

Luis Forra was corrupt?  For goodness sake get a grip - how many more press agency photographers are to be named and shamed in this fiasco?

Firstly Paul Grover for having his name appended to the provocative images of Madeleine McCann, seemingly originating from Uncle Jon Corner. Then we have Ian West, the press photographer who attended the Branson Kensington Gardens charity bash, named and shamed just because he is a McCann supporter.  Now we have Luis Forra?

Is this not a case of LOQKING for the missing piece of the jigsaw that just doesn't exist?

I have clearly laid out by observations on the subject of Dr Martin Roberts article throughout this thread.  Because my commentary doesn't fit the desired train of thought - the global conspiracy theory, it has been ignored.

My view remains sound.  It's pointless wasting any more time presenting fact and logic to blind eyes and deaf ears.

Anyone interested, read through the entire thread and consider what's said rather than who said it.  Form your own opinions.

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Post by Jill Havern 08.01.20 6:58

@Verdi wrote:Then we have Ian West, the press photographer who attended the Branson Kensington Gardens charity bash, named and shamed just because he is a McCann supporter. 
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Clearly you don't know much about Ian 'Muratfan' West who relentlessly attacked McCann sceptics and trolled this forum for years much like andyfish. He was no press photographer, he was just there that night taking photographs for the McCanns. He was actually a disgraced ex-copper from Norfolk, and friend of Nigel Nessling (who was let off with a slapped wrist for having in his possession a catalogue of many thousands of child abuse images), and who ended up with a police caution himself.

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Post by joyce1938 08.01.20 9:48

Its possably not worth saying this BUT little amily i dont believe came out with the sentence that it has been talked about for a long time  over the pyjamas ,her mum thought its agood ideato use that.We have been talking about this for many years now ,is there anyone  else thinkin this?just a waste of space .joyce1938
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Post by Jill Havern 08.01.20 10:10

It was actually John McCann who said that Joyce.

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Post by Guest 08.01.20 11:12

https://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2016/03/a-nightwear-job-by-dr-martin-roberts.html

It’s all about DNA. The inconclusive DNA profile of Madeleine made this saga an endless loop tape.

The McCann’s clan made a lot of mistakes. This issue is one of them.Guilty as hell they are.
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Post by Verdi 08.01.20 11:35

@Jill Havern wrote:
@Verdi wrote:Then we have Ian West, the press photographer who attended the Branson Kensington Gardens charity bash, named and shamed just because he is a McCann supporter. 
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Clearly you don't know much about Ian 'Muratfan' West who relentlessly attacked McCann sceptics and trolled this forum for years much like andyfish. He was no press photographer, he was just there that night taking photographs for the McCanns. He was actually a disgraced ex-copper from Norfolk, and friend of Nigel Nessling (who was let off with a slapped wrist for having in his possession a catalogue of many thousands of child abuse images), and who ended up with a police caution himself.

Photographs taken at the Kensington Gardens charity bash were accredited to Ian West by the press agency in their archives.  I posted a screenshot on CMOMM some while ago.

Apart from that, I'm very aware of Muratfan's antics over the years, as I'm aware of Nigel Nessling - how could anyone who follows this case possibly not be?   I'm not aware of anything relative to Muratfan's personal life - at least not until now!

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Unless of course there are two Ian Wests, both at the same place at the same time doing the same thing  i don\'t know .

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Post by Verdi 08.01.20 11:47

Calheta19 wrote:https://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2016/03/a-nightwear-job-by-dr-martin-roberts.html

It’s all about DNA. The inconclusive DNA profile of Madeleine made this saga an endless loop tape.

The McCann’s clan made a lot of mistakes. This issue is one of them.Guilty as hell they are.

The subject matter here is a pair of pyjamas, not DNA.

@Calheta19, you now have your own little corner of CMOMM, at least for the time being;  please take advantage of that generous offering and stop derailing active and defunct threads with your largely baseless 'unorthodox theorizing'.

Thank you.

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Post by crusader 08.01.20 16:49

Dr. Roberts said, "The image in question was released to the world media late afternoon 10th May, following press conference by Mccann's"He also shows another image of " actual " pajamas, said to be the ones Madeleine was wearing ,in the the Algarve Resident, date 8th May.

On 8th May, on the BBC news channel, it showed a photo of the "actual" pajamas Madeleine was said to be wearing.

Why then, were the Mccann's holding up Amalie's pajamas on 5th June on Crimewatch, 6th June in Berlin and 7th June at Amsterdam Hilton, when the "actual" pajamas, or images of, were readily available.
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Post by BlueBag 08.01.20 18:29

Talk of "actual pajamas" is obviously wrong. Someone got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

I'll say it again... they are not that stupid.

"We've got the actual pajamas she was abducted in"?

Come on...
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Post by crusader 08.01.20 19:12

@BlueBag, I was being ironic, I'll explain myself. The images  described by me as "actual", are images of the larger size pajamas described on the BBC news channel. 8th May & Algarve Resident also 8th May.

Can you please elaborate on how I've got hold of the wrong end of the stick?

I don't think the Mccann's are stupid, far from it.

Where did I say, We've  got the actual pajamas she was abducted in?
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Post by BlueBag 08.01.20 21:05

Whoever said... in whatever news item... "actual pajamas" either got hold of the wrong end of the stick from what they heard or used "actual" to mean identical.

There is no way the McCanns have been saying these are Madeleine's pajamas she was abducted in.

This is such a load of nothing.
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Post by crusader 08.01.20 21:14

@BlueBag agree, much ado about nothing yes Goncalo Amaral is no fool, he will have sorted this out and moved on at the start of the case. Lets do the same. handshake
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Post by Verdi 08.01.20 21:20

I blame Jane Tanner .... oh, and of course climate change.

Whilst we're here, let's throw in the hand of the Pope for good measure.

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Post by Verdi 09.01.20 0:12

The beginning ....

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.... and end of pyjamarama

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Post by Tony Bennett 09.01.20 12:50

@Verdi wrote:Luis Forra was corrupt?  For goodness sake get a grip - how many more press agency photographers are to be named and shamed in this fiasco?

REPLY:  Nobody is saying that Luis Forra is corrupt, @Verdi, if you care to re-read the comments made about him. @crusader was trying to figure out why and when and from whom Luis Forra received the image that was published in the newspapers on I think 8 to 10 May. The presumption from Dr Martin Roberts article is that Kate McCann took this photo on the morning of Thursday 3 May (when she washed them). Somehow that photo got to Luis Forra. I have offered two possible explanation. I said that the most likely was that the McCanns, or an agent of theirs, had handed it to Forra, making out that it was a genuine 'stock photo' from a Marks & Spencer catalogue, which Forra understandably believed.

But I also do not exclude the possibility that Forra was corrupt, in the sense that so many are corrupt in this world, wiling to take money for a favour etc. Isn't this case full of corrupt individuals...Nuno Lourenco, Kevin Halligen and Antonio Giminez Raso to name three. How much was Clarence Mitchell paid? Did he always tell the truth?          

Firstly Paul Grover for having his name appended to the provocative images of Madeleine McCann, seemingly originating from Uncle Jon Corner. Then we have Ian West, the press photographer who attended the Branson Kensington Gardens charity bash, named and shamed just because he is a McCann supporter.  Now we have Luis Forra?

REPLY: Paul Grover is at least interesting. He moves amongst the 'great and the good'. I believe he has photographed many celebrities. Whoever took those photos of Madeleine, and we don't know, it seems he acquired them, and put his name to them. Some are undoubtedly controversial. I believe Jill has dealt with the Ian West/'muratfan' issue. Ian West had other usernames on Twitter. On one of them he said he specialised in photographing children.     
  

Is this not a case of LOQKING for the missing piece of the jigsaw that just doesn't exist?

REPLY: Absolutely not. This thread is about the photographic and other evidence provided by Dr Martin Roberts.

I have clearly laid out by observations on the subject of Dr Martin Roberts article throughout this thread.  Because my commentary doesn't fit the desired train of thought - the global conspiracy theory, it has been ignored.

REPLY: Practically every member of this forum, and every guest, believes that there has been an elaborate conspiracy in this case, aided and abetted by dozens of senior members of the government, police and security  services, to cover up the truth about what really happened to Madeleine McCann. Are you not one of us, @Verdi?   
My view remains sound.  It's pointless wasting any more time presenting fact and logic to blind eyes and deaf ears.

REPLY: Dr Martin Roberts, and others who back his analysis of the pyjamas, are blind and deaf conspiracy  theorists? I believe we have a thread on the forum devoted entirely to all the articles ever published by dr Martin Roberts. Should we remove it?   

Anyone interested, read through the entire thread and consider what's said rather than who said it.  Form your own opinions.

REPLY: I agree with that. But I would add this: look very carefully at the two photographs: 1. Alleged stock photo on blue background and 2. Pyjamas held up by the McCanns at the June 2007 press conference.

REPLIES ABOVE IN BLUE 

I see @Verdi in your latest post on this thread that you have buried the pyjamas discussion. 

I heartily disagree. And since yesterday I have an additional reason for wanting to continue with it.

I would be happy to drop the subject of the pyjamas if someone can demonstrate to me that these two images are NOT the very same pair of pyjamas.

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Dr Martin Roberts has based his entire article around the wisp of cotton seen on the inside left leg of the pyjamas. He suggests that the same wisp of cotton is seen in the second (press conference) image. I believe this is very strong evidence and I agree with him.

I see that @crusader also agrees.

Moreover, one thing we have not discussed on this thread recently: Does the 1st image above really look like the 'stock photo' it is claimed to be? It doesn't to me. Would you put an image with a loose wisp of cotton into your catalogue? I think not. The pyjamas also to my mind do NOT look brand new in that photo.

But in addition I have since noted that there is a SECOND wisp of cotton - on the wearer's left side, at the bottom (RHS as you look at the photo). And I think I can see the very same wisp of cotton on the press conference photo.


One wisp of cotton in EXACTLY the same place on the two photos was persuasive enough for Dr Martin Roberts and myself. 

But surely TWO in exactly the same place removes all possible doubt?

They are the very same pair of pyjamas.

This is not conspiracy theory at all. 

It is not trying to 'fit' evidence to a preconceived theory. 

This is evidence.

Don't bury the thread.

Let it continue...

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by plebgate 09.01.20 13:31

Imo it should continue as nobody has demonstrated that they are not the same pair of pjs.

R.I.P when that happens.

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Post by BlueBag 09.01.20 13:37

Who said it was a stock photo from a catalog?
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Post by plebgate 09.01.20 13:50

It looks like a wisp of cotton to me on bottom (viewers)  rhs of the top too Tony.  Deffo need to keep thread going imo.  Very interesting Tony.

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Post by crusader 09.01.20 13:58

The 2 wisps of cotton are what convinced me that the 2 are the same. Also the shading on both is exactly the same.

Look how they are arranged, the very slight folds on the bottom of the legs. The gap between the top and the bottoms & the folds on the cap sleeves. No doubt in my mind at all.
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Post by BlueBag 09.01.20 13:59

Dr Martin Roberts wrote:Why on earth should the PJ have seemingly undertaken the same photographic work twice, involving two quite different sets of pyjamas?
Because the first photos were like the pyjamas Madeliene was wearing and the second ones were more like or the same.



Dr Martin Roberts wrote:The image in question was 'released' to the world's media in the late afternoon of 10 May, 2007, following a press conference that day. It was no doubt assumed by many that, since the PJ released the photographs (there is more than one), the PJ themselves must have taken them. Yet a film distributor who arranges the release of a 'blockbuster' is hardly likely to have spent the previous months/years actually doing the filming.
This "seed of doubt"... I presume Dr Roberts has proved the PJ didn't take the pictures?
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Post by BlueBag 09.01.20 14:00

@crusader wrote:The 2 wisps of cotton are what convinced me that the 2 are the same. Also the shading on both is exactly the same.

Look how they are arranged, the very slight folds on the bottom of the legs. The gap between the top and the bottoms & the folds on the cap sleeves. No doubt in my mind at all.
They are the same.

So what?
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Post by crusader 09.01.20 14:04

Just saying, in case anyone still had any doubts, ok
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Post by Jill Havern 09.01.20 14:17


But in addition I have since noted that there is a SECOND wisp of cotton - on the wearer's left side, at the bottom (RHS as you look at the photo). And I think I can see the very same wisp of cotton on the press conference photo.
I mentioned that second wisp on the previous page

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t12555p150-dr-martin-roberts-a-nightwear-job#412674

and here's the bigger photo again so you can see it better

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