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After a decade of blunders by forces here and abroad a bizarre twist in the search for Ben Needham leads police to Canada

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 24.01.16 9:26

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Post by kaz on 24.01.16 10:06

From WIKEPEDIA :  RE BEN NEEDHAM

The Needham family believe that Ben was kidnapped with the intention of selling him for adoption, or he was taken by child traffikers  . However, there is no evidence and some consider an accident more likely. ( my underlining  )

Fom WIKEPEDIA : RE MADELEINE MCCANN

[Exton questioned the significance of the the  Tanner sighting of a man carrying a child at 21:15 near apartment 5A, and focused instead on the Smith  sighting  at 22:00. The Oakley team ( I'd have thought ' a now discredited OT'  would have been more accurate )  produced e-fits based on the Smiths' description. This was a sensitive issue, because in September 2007 Martin Smith had watched footage of the McCanns arriving in the UK from Portugal, and believed he recognized Gerry McCann as the man he had seen with the child at 22:00. Smith came to accept that he was mistaken ( my underlining  ) : at 22:00 witnesses placed Gerry McCann in the tapas restaurant. Nevertheless, the publication of the Smith e-fits, which bore some resemblance to Gerry, would have fed the conspiracy theories  ( my underlining ) about the McCanns.
An impartial WIKEPEDIA or what?

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The circumstantial evidence suggests that Ben Needham died in a motor-bike accident on Kos

Post by Tony Bennett on 24.01.16 10:31

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:After a decade of blunders by forces here and abroad a bizarre twist in the search for Ben Needham leads police to Canada

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413903/After-decade-blunders-forces-abroad-bizarre-twist-search-missing-Ben-Needham-leads-police-Canada.html#ixzz3y9VI4TUJ
This is a non-story. Clearly the man concerned is not missing Ben Needham.

I will simply record, once again, that it's my belief that the overwhelming circumstantial evidence in the case suggests that Ben Needham was killed when his uncle, Stephen Needham, took him for a ride on his motor-bike at lunch-time on 24 July 1991. There is absolutely no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that anything else happened.  

I have always said this, and still do so after having read (last year) Kerry Needham's 'Ben' (2013, Ebury Press, a Random House Group company, price £16.99), kindly sent to me by a CMOMM forum member, who shares my view on the case.       

Two years earlier, Bantam Press, another Random House Group company, published another expensive book.

'madeleine', by Dr. Kate McCann.

Price £20.00.

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Post by Richard IV on 24.01.16 10:43

@kaz wrote:From WIKEPEDIA :  RE BEN NEEDHAM

The Needham family believe that Ben was kidnapped with the intention of selling him for adoption, or he was taken by child traffikers  . However, there is no evidence and some consider an accident more likely. ( my underlining  )

Fom WIKEPEDIA : RE MADELEINE MCCANN

[Exton questioned the significance of the the  Tanner sighting of a man carrying a child at 21:15 near apartment 5A, and focused instead on the Smith  sighting  at 22:00. The Oakley team ( I'd have thought ' a now discredited OT'  would have been more accurate )  produced e-fits based on the Smiths' description. This was a sensitive issue, because in September 2007 Martin Smith had watched footage of the McCanns arriving in the UK from Portugal, and believed he recognized Gerry McCann as the man he had seen with the child at 22:00. Smith came to accept that he was mistaken ( my underlining  ) : at 22:00 witnesses placed Gerry McCann in the tapas restaurant. Nevertheless, the publication of the Smith e-fits, which bore some resemblance to Gerry, would have fed the conspiracy theories  ( my underlining ) about the McCanns.
An impartial WIKEPEDIA or what?
Thanks for bringing attention to the Wikipedia history of the disappearance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann

It is totally biased in favour of the McCanns - so easy to manipulate words to give the conclusion you want the readers to come to !!

References mainly from MSM articles and journalists who write in McCanns favour.

Who the hell writes Wiki articles ?

Disgusted.

Have checked and there isn`t a thread solely about Wiki article.
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Post by sharonl on 24.01.16 10:55

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:After a decade of blunders by forces here and abroad a bizarre twist in the search for Ben Needham leads police to Canada

The next thing we will hear is that a number of abducted children were taken to Canada (home of Aunt Nora) and the McCanns have emigrated there to give themselves a better chance of finding Madeleine.

I find it odd that the Needhams, after almost two decades, should come out of the woodwork to associate with the likes of Missing People and the McCanns.  They have obviously looked at the McCann case quite closely so common sense should tell them that Madeleine was not abducted.  Why would a family, genuinely searching for a missing member have anything to do this charade?  

With so many people not believing the Mccanns, you would expect the Needhams to keep their distance - I smell another rat.

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Post by Doug D on 24.01.16 11:52

Wiki:
 
‘Don't be afraid to editanyone can edit almost every page, and we are encouraged to be bold! Find something that can be improved and make it better—for example, spelling, grammar, rewriting for readability, adding content, or removing non-constructive edits. If you wish to add new facts, please try to provide references so they may be verified, or suggest them on the article's discussion page. Changes to controversial topics and Wikipedia's main pages should usually be discussed first. Contributing to Wikipedia will provide you with resources on all the basics needed to use, comment on, and contribute to Wikipedia.
Remember – you can't break Wikipedia; all edits can be reversed, fixed or improved later. Wikipedia is allowed to be imperfect. So go ahead, edit an article and help make Wikipedia the best information source on the Internet!’
 
CM & co. no doubt permanently on the case as part of their ‘monitoring’ and immediately able to ‘correct’ any unwelcome additions.

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Post by Verdi on 24.01.16 12:19

At last!  I've never before commented on the Ben Needham case, (it's time consuming enough to stick to Madeleine Mcann) mainly because there seems to have been so much comparison made between the two cases in terms of publicity and policing, the consensus of opinion I thought always to be in favour of the Needhams.

Can't agree - never believed that Ben Needham just disappeared any more than MBM just disappeared.  For a start who would allow a child of that age play around outside without  supervision.  It pains me to say, even Madeleine and the twins were safer locked in the confines of an apartment than Ben Needham was playing outside.  There are distinct similarities between the two cases, the primary difference being the amount of media coverage bestowed on the McCanns (not Madeleine specifically) as opposed to the Needham case - no comparison!  For this reason I believe the Needhams have tried to muscle in on the action;  not necessarily for the benefit of their missing child but more towards a lucrative publicity stunt.

Kate McCann was bombarded with criticism for writing exhibit A 'madeleine' (rightly so IMO) but was Kerry Needham likewise criticized for capitalizing on her child's disappearance?  Having said that, I've never read Kerry Needham's book so maybe it tells a different story.

@sharonl  I've been waiting for an announcement that the McCann family have emigrated to Canada - there's still time..

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Re: After a decade of blunders by forces here and abroad a bizarre twist in the search for Ben Needham leads police to Canada

Post by Richard IV on 24.01.16 12:34

@Doug D wrote:Wiki:
 
‘Don't be afraid to editanyone can edit almost every page, and we are encouraged to be bold! Find something that can be improved and make it better—for example, spelling, grammar, rewriting for readability, adding content, or removing non-constructive edits. If you wish to add new facts, please try to provide references so they may be verified, or suggest them on the article's discussion page. Changes to controversial topics and Wikipedia's main pages should usually be discussed first. Contributing to Wikipedia will provide you with resources on all the basics needed to use, comment on, and contribute to Wikipedia.
Remember – you can't break Wikipedia; all edits can be reversed, fixed or improved later. Wikipedia is allowed to be imperfect. So go ahead, edit an article and help make Wikipedia the best information source on the Internet!’
 
CM & co. no doubt permanently on the case as part of their ‘monitoring’ and immediately able to ‘correct’ any unwelcome additions.
Thanks Doug. I`m amazed no literate sceptics haven`t corrected it, surely possible with references and removed the bias from the writing.
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Post by Doug D on 24.01.16 13:18

Richard IV:

'I`m amazed no literate sceptics haven`t corrected it, surely possible with references and removed the bias from the writing.'

I'm fairly sure they have, but amendments get rapidly 'whooshed'.

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Post by Richard IV on 24.01.16 13:28

@Doug D wrote:Richard IV:

'I`m amazed no literate sceptics haven`t corrected it, surely possible with references and removed the bias from the writing.'

I'm fairly sure they have, but amendments get rapidly 'whooshed'.
Yes, it looks like it - last amendment done 21st Dec.
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Post by Amy Dean on 24.01.16 13:36

Has anyone looked at the Ben Needham website lately? Oh dear Kerry is all I can say.

http://www.helpfindben.co.uk/shop.html
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Post by joyce1938 on 24.01.16 17:18

Oh no, not keen to see these pages, copycat really.  joyce1938
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Post by kaz on 24.01.16 18:22

@Amy Dean wrote:Has anyone looked at the Ben Needham website lately? Oh dear Kerry is all I can say.

http://www.helpfindben.co.uk/shop.html

Wristbands? Songs?


Oh dear.....................! Sometimes I get the feeling that EVERYTHING is one giant con trick!

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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.01.16 19:34

@Amy Dean wrote:Has anyone looked at the Ben Needham website lately? Oh dear Kerry is all I can say.

http://www.helpfindben.co.uk/shop.html
If you search the internet, there is quite a bit about how much money Kerry Needham has made not only from her book, but also demanding fees for TV and radio interviews etc. She and some of her family have also had the odd scrape with the law:

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/missing-boys-uncle-police-inquiry-2942078

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 24.01.16 19:47

Is that the same bloke who took Ben for a motorcycle ride?
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Post by Mother bear on 24.01.16 19:49

Hi Tony, could you help?
I am trying to find " Real crime, Ben Needham,Somebody knows " aired by Carlton tv I think.
When I try to find it all videos seem to have been whooshed.
Do you know where I could get to see it
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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.01.16 21:08

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:Is that the same bloke who took Ben for a motorcycle ride?
There is no admission by Stephen that he took Ben out on his motorcycle that afternoon - but, yes, the same bloke.

For a TV programme, he was put under hypnosis. But what he said under hypnosis never reached the TV screens, because he and Kerry (so I understand) did not allow the programme to use this material. He did admit to the programme makers, though, that he had 'flashbacks' or 'visions' of Ben having been killed in an accident and being buried (or something very similar).

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Post by Hobs on 24.01.16 21:43

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Get'emGonçalo wrote:Is that the same bloke who took Ben for a motorcycle ride?
There is no admission by Stephen that he took Ben out on his motorcycle that afternoon - but, yes, the same bloke.

For a TV programme, he was put under hypnosis. But what he said under hypnosis never reached the TV screens, because he and Kerry (so I understand) did not allow the programme to use this material. He did admit to the programme makers, though, that he had 'flashbacks' or 'visions' of Ben having been killed in an accident and being buried (or something very similar).
Kerry got majorly pissed with me when i had written a comment that in all likelihood Ben was dead either by accident or design given all the evidence and lack off.
Given the time scale , if he had been abducted by a paedophile he would have been dead within hours. I can understand her denial, it is expected due to maternal instinct, if he were alive though, he would or should have realised he perhaps didn't fit in with his family, that there were unanswered questions and perhaps done sonme digging, especially in these days of the internet.
Also there would be questions regarding paperwork for his adult life, marriage, employment etc
The uncle has never cleared himself.
If it was an accident he should have come clean, accidents happen.

Rather than a polygraph, which even the guilty can pass, get a statement analyst to interview all who were there on the day he allegedly went missing and, i am certain we would find out what happened, who was involved, who knew and possibly where he is today (if not in moving water)

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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.01.16 22:01

@Hobs wrote:
Kerry got majorly pi**ed with me when I had written a comment that in all likelihood Ben was dead either by accident or design given all the evidence and lack of...get a statement analyst to interview all who were there on the day he allegedly went missing...
We do have a relevant record on page 90 of Kerry Needham's book.

Kerry's father returned to his cottage to find Stephen in the shower. Kerry's father thought, and hoped, that Ben would be with Stephen in the shower. This is how Kerry Needham tells the story in her book:    

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Dad poured a glass of water and made himself comfortable on the small sofa, A few minutes later the bathroom door opened and Stephen stepped out.

"All right, Dad? Have you come for a shower as well?"

"No, I haven't. Where's Ben?"  

"What do you mean?"

"Is Ben with you?"

"No. Why?"

"You didn't bring him here on your bike?"

When he had processed the question, Stephen was offended at the idea.

"Of course I didn't, Dad. He hasn't got a helmet. I never would".

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Post by sallypelt on 24.01.16 22:14

Ever since the police questioned Stephen, their idea that he might have had a hand in Ben's disappearance has haunted him. "Did I take him, did I pick him up and put him on my bike, did I drive down that lane? I was questioning my own sanity. It was always there. How could a child disappear, how could he just vanish? Did I forget him somewhere or have an accident? Did I run over him or fall off my bike? I've asked myself that again and again."

In 2001, when another TV documentary was made, to coincide with the 10th anniversary of Ben's disappearance, Stephen was asked if he would be interviewed and whether he would undergo a form of hypnotherapy on camera. He agreed because he'd heard it might help to retrieve hidden memories. In the film he had to revisit the last moment he saw Ben and confront the doubt created by the police interrogation. It was traumatic but, when the filming was over, Stephen walked away sure that any suspicion that he or anyone else might have harboured that he could have accidentally killed Ben would be dispelled once and for all. Despite this, and although the film exonerates him, Stephen's fears were justified.

Full article on this link: http://benneedham18.blogspot.co.uk/

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Post by Verdi on 24.01.16 22:41

When Ben Needham disappeared from a Greek farmhouse in 1991, his close-knit family were almost torn apart - March 2009 (snipped)..

On 24 July, Christine, Eddie, Danny, Stephen and the owner of the house, Michaelis Kypreos, were in the farmhouse eating lunch. Ben was playing on the terrace just outside the door. He was running in and out, pouring water over his head and messing about with a stick. They could see through the open door on to the terrace where Ben was playing. There was a tree on which they'd hung his wet shorts.

At about two-thirty, Stephen left on his moped to go for a swim, a beer and a shower at Kerry's flat. Ben wanted to go with him; he'd been on the bike before, and now he wanted to go with his uncle. A few minutes after Stephen left, Christine registered that Ben had gone quiet and went outside. He was nowhere to be seen. She, Eddie, Danny and Michaelis Kypreos searched up and down the lane, in the field by the house, in a nearby orange grove, calling for him, looking anywhere he could conceivably be. When they couldn't find him, they assumed he must have gone with Stephen; it was the logical explanation. They thought Stephen had taken Ben for a ride and would bring him back.

About an hour later, thinking Stephen had gone to the caravan instead of coming back to the farmhouse, or had gone to Kerry's flat, Christine walked back to Paradisi, while Eddie, Danny and Kypreos stayed working on the roof.

In the early evening Eddie went to the caravan expecting to find Ben with Christine. He wasn't, so Eddie went to Kerry's flat, thinking he'd be there. Stephen was there, but without Ben. Eddie raced back to the caravan to tell Christine and then went back to Herakles in the Land Rover. Stephen took Christine to the police on his bike and then joined his father. It was several hours since Ben had vanished by the time the police took Christine to the hotel to tell Kerry what had happened. Kerry had finished her shift and was sitting by the swimming pool when her mother arrived, sobbing, to tell her Ben had disappeared....

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/mar/29/missing-child-ben-needham

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Post by Verdi on 24.01.16 22:53

This case, the Mirror (website of the year) appear to be championing the Needham cause - the Needhams who still think Ben was ABDUCTED..

Ben Needham's family say:   We think we have the magic call that will lead us to missing son  - May 2015

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-family-say-we-5720157

Déjà vu?

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Post by BlueBag on 25.01.16 11:50

I've never really looked at this case before.

Interesting.

Stephen Needham - last person to see him - and the (damaged) bike.

Interesting.
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