Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

by Draco 10.08.10 0:35

Judge Mental wrote:
Draco wrote:@ JM Did you start this petition? Are you a member of the Foundation? How many successful petitions did the Madeleine Foundation start? And why don't they answer the questions, they are perfectly reasonable.

There is a possibility that one may have started the petition. What if one were to say one had? Would one feel more confident signing a petition started by myself 'Judge Mental'?

What business is it of yours as to whether I am a member of The Madeleine Foundation or not? May one suggest a trip to The Madeleine Foundation website to find out how many successful petitions The Foundation have started, or alternatively ask that you make contact with Tony Bennett privately, and see if he will give you the time of day and answer your questions. Better still, why not apply for membership so that you feel you are doing something worthwhile instead of sitting around asking questions that are of no use to anybody else?

If you're a member, perhaps you could have answered the questions, that's all.
So far there's been no successful petition at all as far as I can see. Nor is Ms Morais petition successful.
I wish you good luck, but please stop pushing me for signing. Cause I won't. I'm entitled to have my own opinion and there's also too many unanswered questions. I wonder why....

by Judge Mental 10.08.10 1:16

Draco wrote ........... 'I wish you good luck, but please stop pushing me for signing. Cause I won't. I'm entitled to have my own opinion and there's also too many unanswered questions. I wonder why....'

Draco, one is disturbed by your dramatic prose. Who is pushing you into signing something? Please let one of the Mods know as soon as possible, because we do not take kindly to knowing that one of our beloved members is being coerced into doing something that they have already pointed out is not a worthwhile exercise.

Please look at your own posts prior to the above, where you will find that if anybody is doing any pushing, it is yourself Draco.

by **Tony Bennett** 12.09.10 10:42

The petition by Alan-Marc Logoa calling for a full public enquiry into Madeleine's disappearance has now topped 200.

The easiest way to add your signature is to click on the home page of the Madeleine Foundation, www.madeleinefoundation.org.uk

The Care Petition icon comes up at the top of the page, just click on that and the petition appears.

I think we currently give a figure of 184 signatures, but it has had 18 more signatures in recent days.

You do not have to give your actual name when signing the petition.

by pennylane 12.09.10 13:52

Tony Bennett wrote:The petition by Alan-Marc Logoa calling for a full public enquiry into Madeleine's disappearance has now topped 200.

The easiest way to add your signature is to click on the home page of the Madeleine Foundation, www.madeleinefoundation.org.uk

The Care Petition icon comes up at the top of the page, just click on that and the petition appears.

I think we currently give a figure of 184 signatures, but it has had 18 more signatures in recent days.

You do not have to give your actual name when signing the petition.

Thank you for the information Tony, that's encouraging news!

I signed this petition some time ago. flag

by **Tony Bennett** 13.10.10 23:18

The petition has now reached 302 signatures.

We need lot more though.

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by **sharonl** 03.11.10 23:45

The petition has now reached 387 signatures

It is important that we get a full public enquiry into this case - please sign and share the petition wherever you can

http://tinyurl.com/28geav9

by **Jill Havern** 04.11.10 7:17

sharonl wrote:The petition has now reached 387 signatures

It is important that we get a full public enquiry into this case - please sign and share the petition wherever you can

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The McCanns have got over 14,000 for their petition

Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance - Page 3 234726

Of course they would have had many, many more if they hadn't deleted the ones from the sceptics.

Hasn't your petition for a full public enquiry already been delivered?

Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance - Page 3 376422

by **sharonl** 04.11.10 7:28

Hi JKH

The petition that was delivered was in the form of a letter, this one is still ongoing.

I am curious about the McCanns petition reaching 14,000 signatures in a day or so, that seems a very odd to me - how have they managed that? This is quite excessive by anyones standards.

The one that I saw also gave very little information - are they serious, if so why not do it properly?

by **Jill Havern** 04.11.10 7:41

Yes, why can't those same 14,000 people sign the petition for a full public enquiry?

Surely they want that rather than just a review? Surely they want the case reopened for Maddie's sake?

by Cheshire Cat 04.11.10 7:50

jkh wrote:Yes, why can't those same 14,000 people sign the petition for a full public enquiry?

Surely they want that rather than just a review? Surely they want the case reopened for Maddie's sake?

The McCanns petition has mass media exposure and sounds innocent enough to those without the full background information.

by **sharonl** 04.11.10 7:53

14,000 signatures? I wonder how many duplicates there are? Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance - Page 3 234726

The petition was advertised by Kate on Channel 4

by Shibboleth 04.11.10 9:27

Put another way, the McCanns must really be on their last legs now. This petition has cost them nothing to set up. It is completely insecure and can be signed by any made-up name with any made-up address. Do you really believe that they have supporters called Wayne Kerr and Annette Kurten? Nobody in any postion of authority at all is going to take this farce seriously.

by aiyoyo 04.11.10 9:41

I wonder what is their target, and who are they're submitting the petition to?

I hope they get their wish of a review granted...the more signature the more rope to hang them.

If their petition is meant for the HO, hasnt the HO already rejected them when they saw several HS personally. If it were meant for the Police, which police has the authority to review without HO authorising it?

On top of that, how can HO order a review undertaken by UK police without access to full files?
Do they seriously think the PJ are going to hand over the files? They must be senile to think that.
If it comes to that that the PJ agrees to a join-review then the facts in files are not going to change.
The mccanns are unlikely to get the result they wished for, contrarily might end up in shit creek by their own hands.

It could be the review will be the rope that hangs them. Let's wait and see.

I still think the review is a bluff. If it isnt, they still can't win because there wasnt a shred of evidence o support abduction, conversely plenty evidence to support Maddie died in the Apt, that's why they didnt ask for the case to reopen.

Hey, I hope they can get the case review or reopen....they are in for a shock and the public in for the truth.
They cant be that lucky to have Gordon Brown coming on a white horse again to their rescue the second time round...besides that man no longer has the power to do anything.

Just wait for the shit to hit the fan!

by aiyoyo 04.11.10 9:46

Shibboleth wrote:Put another way, the McCanns must really be on their last legs now. This petition has cost them nothing to set up. It is completely insecure and can be signed by any made-up name with any made-up address. Do you really believe that they have supporters called Wayne Kerr and Annette Kurten? Nobody in any postion of authority at all is going to take this farce seriously.

On the contrary, I hope those signatures are valid b/c a review is way overdue.

The mccanns are in for ......a shock!

Imagine the PJ couldnt get them to Court but by a dealt of their hands that might do the trick!

Cant get any better than that. I cant see HO authorising behind closed door review and verdict can be considered legally valid because crime was committed in PT and prime investigators still hold the files.

If mccanns is hoping for a white wash, I dont see why HO should oblige them or cooperate with them.

by Guest 04.11.10 12:39

Thousands sign Madeleine McCann petition to force joint review by British and Portuguese

By Sophie Freeman
Last updated at 7:11 AM on 4th November 2010

Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance - Page 3 Article-1326470-00B4454B000004B0-101_233x423

New hope: A search petition to help find missing Madeleine McCann has been signed by 9,000 supporters

The parents of Madeleine McCann spoke of their joy yesterday after more than 9,000 people signed a new search petition.
The online petition calls for the British and Portuguese authorities to hold a joint review of Madeleine's case, which the McCanns feel is vital to finding their daughter.
It comes just a day after Kate and Gerry McCann revealed the fund to help find their missing daughter is about to run out of money.

Mrs McCann also spoke out against ministers who had shrugged off her pleas for help, adding that she needed 'action not fluffy, worthless words'.

Madeleine disappeared on holiday in Portugal in 2007 and would now be seven.
Many of those who signed the petition expressed their sympathy with the McCann's plight.
One woman wrote: 'Please help Kate and Gerry, they shouldn't have to do this on their own. There is a little girl out there.'
Another wrote: 'I

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326470/Madeleine-McCann-petition-force-review-British-Portuguese-signed-9k.html#ixzz14JhiBoi9

by littlepixie 04.11.10 12:54

The fund is supposed to have 350 grand in. That is a heck of a lot of money. What do they need more money for in order to search? What type of "searching" are they doing? Sitting in an expensive office trawling the internet and reading the forums? Well they can do that at home for about £20 a month for an internet connection. They think people are stupid and anyone who donates a single penny to them is stupid.

It would take me many years to earn 350 thousand pounds!

by Guest 04.11.10 13:01

littlepixie wrote:The fund is supposed to have 350 grand in. That is a heck of a lot of money. What do they need more money for in order to search? What type of "searching" are they doing? Sitting in an expensive office trawling the internet and reading the forums? Well they can do that at home for about £20 a month for an internet connection. They think people are stupid and anyone who donates a single penny to them is stupid.

It would take me many years to earn 350 thousand pounds!

The thing is littlepixie, it's not supposed to run out till Spring next year. So how do they know Madeleine won't be found by then, after all the sterling work these detectives are doing? How can you ask for more money when there is still 350,000 still left in it. I just wonder wonder some of these rich celebs felt when they received this letter ffrom the McCanns. They have publicly named in the papers. I wonder what sort of reply they will give.

by kathyBelle 04.11.10 16:31

candyfloss wrote:
littlepixie wrote:The fund is supposed to have 350 grand in. That is a heck of a lot of money. What do they need more money for in order to search? What type of "searching" are they doing? Sitting in an expensive office trawling the internet and reading the forums? Well they can do that at home for about £20 a month for an internet connection. They think people are stupid and anyone who donates a single penny to them is stupid.

It would take me many years to earn 350 thousand pounds!

The thing is littlepixie, it's not supposed to run out till Spring next year. So how do they know Madeleine won't be found by then, after all the sterling work these detectives are doing? How can you ask for more money when there is still 350,000 still left in it. I just wonder wonder some of these rich celebs felt when they received this letter ffrom the McCanns. They have publicly named in the papers. I wonder what sort of reply they will give.

Hi Candyfloss, regarding your comments about how the fund isn't going to run out next year and how do the McCanns know that Madeleine won't be found by then. I thought how did the McCanns know that Madeleine would not be found quickly, when Kate McCann, asked the Merseyside Priest to fly over to Praia da Luz as soon as possible. Madeleine had supposedly only been missing for around an hour, when Kate McCann made that request.

I thought the same, when the fund was set up, days after Madeleine's disappearance and when the McCanns were arranging fund raising days for months ahead.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again, the fact the McCanns did not search for Madeleine and they and their wider family, have been using the fund to aid their finances, shows to me that the McCanns, know what happened to Madeleine and if she is dead or alive.

by Judge Mental 04.11.10 17:56

@ KathyBelle

Relatives and friends rushing around and leaving their work to fly to the scene of Madeleine's disappearance, without considering that she may be found at any moment, will always be a mystery to any free-thinking adult.

by **Jill Havern** 04.11.10 18:13

Judge Mental wrote:@ KathyBelle

Relatives and friends rushing around and leaving their work to fly to the scene of Madeleine's disappearance, without considering that she may be found at any moment, will always be a mystery to any free-thinking adult.

And, of course, there's also Uncle John "it's not bad for a bunch of amateurs" McCann who gave up his job despite having a family to support. Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance - Page 3 160807

Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance - Page 3 160807

Clearly he knew Maddie wasn't going to be found anytime soon. Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance - Page 3 172348

Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance - Page 3 172348

by Guest 05.11.10 18:28

This is very, very interesting about the petitions site the McCanns are using. ..... worth a read

http://headlines-today.co.uk/2010/11/05/i-decided-to-start-an-online-petition/

by aiyoyo 06.11.10 5:21

I have known all along their petition is but hugh PR exercise for a purpose.
It's not rocket science to deduce their petition is a pretendy show thing, probably they are going to use that excuse for the trial or something later.
Remember we are talking about the mccanns and they are notorious for not doing thing without reasons.

If they seriously want a review they could start a petition to the HO or PM's office.

At least the MF's integrity shines through in their intent to find out what really happened to Maddie.

I watch their interview v. reluctantly and not even half way through I couldnt stomach their contrived and false pained expression. Nothing about their expression or body language reflects that of innocent who are genuinely in touch with devastation over a lost. Theirs was a case of trying their damnest best to emulate pain of how parents of missing would feel but only their guilt and fear were manifested in their expression.
Its so painful to watch liars doing their act.

And if you read between the lines of interview they gave away plenty of their fear.
Moaning and bitching about authority not helping them is so laughable when they could have easily help themselves by asking for the case to stay opened or even ask to reopen the case. They are always begging...for something....and here people are talking of a literate middle-class pair of doctors who are not physically or mentally impaired that things have to be done for them. And who btw have connections which they used to their advantage to enhance their profile and nothing else.

They said UK police are waiting for info to come in instead of seeking info.
They also said HO told them they cant do anything because of the sensitivities issues of the case.
They said as well PJ are no longer searching, in fact no police force is doing anything.

Those statements shout no one believe their abduction mantra...but they still refuse to accept it and still bleat on the same bullshit 3-1/2 years on..
they are still begging for money and help....They didnt help themselves neither did they pay out of their pockets not even for their trips round the world. Even that was paid by the Fund. The Fund even had to pay for extended family...whatever that means would be interesting when the facts are known.

by Guest 06.11.10 12:22

Brave McCanns need your help to find Maddie The Sun paper edition
Lorraine Kelly
Saturday 06 November 2010

WHILE we've all been getting on with our lives, taking the kids to school, watching Corrie and buying the weekly shop, Kate and Gerry McCann remain in a frozen limbo of despair.

Every minute of every day they have to deal with the fact their daughter Madeleine is still missing and that, as more and more time passes, hopes of a happy ending are fading fast.

This week the couple, frustrated and saddened by the lack of any real effort by the British and Portuguese governments to find their little girl, made a direct plea to you and me to help them kickstart the hunt for Madeleine.

They want the botched investigation into their daughter's disappearance to be reopened and re-examined. It is a race against time as in a couple of months the Find Madeleine Fund will run out of cash.

Both Kate and Gerry are convinced that a complete review will unearth crucial leads that were never followed up - and reveal vital clues that were missed at the time.

Who could possibly deny them this glimmer of hope?

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They do their very best to remain positive and Madeleine's name is mentioned constantly in their family home, especially now twins Sean and Amelie are old enough to know what happened to their big sister.

Kate still talks "directly" to Madeleine every day and wonders what she looks like now.

Of course, this latest appeal leaves them wide open to criticism about leaving Madeleine alone in the holiday apartment in the first place, and gives the conspiracy theorists another chance to scandalously insist this broken couple had something to do with their child's disappearance.

If it was your precious son or daughter, you would move heaven and earth to find them, no matter how much it cost and how much time had passed.

Look at the heartbreaking case of Ben Needham, who disappeared on the Greek island of Kos back in 1991. If Ben is still alive, he would have just celebrated his 21st birthday.

His brave but careworn mother Kerry has never stopped trying to find her boy. She has campaigned tirelessly and says she will go on looking while she still has breath in her body.

Any mother would do the same.

Kerry still hopes that one day she will be reunited with her son but it's clear that she and her family live in the shadow of Ben's disappearance.

Kate and Gerry McCann must look at poor Kerry and shudder to think that, in decades to come, they will still be making appeals and showing computerised images of their daughter at 16, at 18 and at 21.

This week Kate sadly admitted that she is afraid that one day it will be just her and Gerry who will be looking for Madeleine.

They have battled for so long and so bravely but now they need our help. So far almost 10,000 of you have given your support, also giving real hope and comfort to Kate and Gerry.

Please sign the online petition calling on the Government to review Madeleine's case

Go to ipetitions.com/madeleinemaccann_case_review.

with thanks to

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

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by Guest 06.11.10 12:30

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They want the botched investigation into their daughter's disappearance to be reopened and re-examined. It is a race against time as in a couple of months the Find Madeleine Fund will run out of cash.

I was not aware they were asking for the case to be reopened, they are asking for a review. I think someone should tell Ms Kelly! The case would be reopened immediately if they returned for a reconstruction, and KM answered those questions Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance - Page 3 160807

by littlepixie 06.11.10 12:36

[quote="candyfloss"]This is very, very interesting about the petitions site the McCanns are using. ..... worth a read

http://headlines-today.co.uk/2010/11/05/i-decided-to-start-an-online-petition/[/quote

They mentioned on MCF that a vistor from the Vatican City has been visiting Brens blog and also thepottingshedder. I just looked and they've been on again recently!!

by Guest 06.11.10 12:38

[quote="littlepixie"]

candyfloss wrote:This is very, very interesting about the petitions site the McCanns are using. ..... worth a read

http://headlines-today.co.uk/2010/11/05/i-decided-to-start-an-online-petition/[/quote

They mentioned on MCF that a vistor from the Vatican City has been visiting Brens blog and also thepottingshedder. I just looked and they've been on again recently!!

Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance - Page 3 890363

Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance - Page 3 195540

by kangdang 06.11.10 17:21

Why hasn't Kate McCann returned to work? The twins are now in full-time education. There is only a limited amount of campaigning she can do, I do not see this taking up all her time. Surely additional income earnt would bolster the fund, pay for a few thousand leaflet/posters/wristbands etc.

by kangdang 06.11.10 17:33

The petition was created for several reasons, a re-view of the case is not one of them. Firstly, the McCanns are compelled to be seen as doing something, as if they do not, in the minds of the guilty, this will surely be an indication of guilt. This is why everything they do warrants media attention. Look at other parents of missing children, do they feel the need to promote and make statements on every action they take? No. Why? Because they have no guilt to hide, their efforts are focused on doing what they can to locate their missing child; not demonstrating innocence to others. Secondly, the McCanns need to assess public opinion, are their efforts at demonstrating innocence paying off, do people believe them, do people support them. I think the McCanns will be disappointed.

Every word from the McCanns is purposeful, this applies to us all.

by Judge Mental 06.11.10 18:55

Team McCann are under no illusions, and know that the case will continue to be investigated very shortly. Therefore they are making a huge fuss and kerfuffle, to make it appear as if it is they who have instigated it.