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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Rainbow on 26.07.10 20:58

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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Guest on 26.07.10 21:00

Yep unscramble the letters and you get GONCALO AMARAL!!!!!

I watch countdown a lot laugh




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Post by Doceedo on 26.07.10 21:00

candyfloss wrote:I've just done a double take on that name Alan Marc Logoa

it is..................

Goncalo Amaral

Well done Candyfloss :flower:
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Post by ufercoffy on 26.07.10 21:02

I see the pro's have started signing it with abuse against TB

Just goes to prove they don't want Madeleine found and the f*ckers have something to hide.
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Post by baconbutty on 26.07.10 21:06

candyfloss wrote:I've just done a double take on that name Alan Marc Logoa

it is..................

Goncalo Amaral

Well done Candyfloss!

I did it the lazy way and ran it through an anagram generator, but with no luck!
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Doceedo on 26.07.10 21:07

@ufercoffy wrote:I see the pro's have started signing it with abuse against TB

Just goes to prove they don't want Madeleine found and the f*ckers have something to hide.

That was probably it's main purpose all along - together with collecting e-mail addresses (which could well be personal ones). B@stards
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42 signatures, 13 countries

Post by Tony Bennett on 26.07.10 22:35

The petition's kicked off with 42 signatures in less than 24 hours and with people from 13 different countries signing, in alphabetical order:

Australia
Belgium
Canada
Cyprus
Germany
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
Singapore
South Africa
Spain
U.K.
U.S.A.

If nothing else, it's a small indication of the worldwide interest in this case.

42 a day for a year would give it over 15,000 signatures
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by sharonl on 27.07.10 8:20

@Doceedo wrote:
@ufercoffy wrote:It'll be interesting to see if Kate and Gerry McCann, or their family and friends and 'pro' supporters sign this petition because, surely, all of them want a public enquiry.

Don't they?

On Twitter, Joana Morais is suggesting that it's just for collecting e-mail addresses. She can't find anything on Alan-Marc Logoa. She thinks it's just a TM ploy.




I Hardly think that this is the work of Team McCann, even with an ulterior motive – if it is then they’ve gone mad.



8 Reasons why Team McCann are unlikely to be responsible for this petition.



1. Team McCann do not want a public inquiry

2. This petition draws attention to the fact that there is another side to this story, team McCann only want you to see the one side.– “The original senior detective in the case and his team believed the evidence pointed to Madeleine having died in her parents holiday apartment. When the case was shelved by the Portuguese authorities, their final report left both the above options open, but said there was insufficient evidence to charge any individual with any crime relating to Madeleine’s disappearance. Public opinion ranges from those who fully support and believe in the McCann’s account of events, to those who consider that they have reason to doubt it.”

3. If they had created this petition they would have used a name that everyone recognises, someone on their own team, in order to show the world that they want the case re-investigated. Both Antis and pros would have signed and sympathy would have been sought when the press reported that the government had turned it down.

4. All their friends and family would have signed because that would be expected of a couple who want to know what happened to their daughter

5. This is definitely an anagram of Goncalo Amaral, maybe a co-incidence but it’s very unlikely. The last name on earth that team McCann would have used is an anagram of Goncalo Amaral – they would have gone for someone well known in the UK and of very high social standing. ( to their standards anyway)

6. Imagine what could have happened if thousands of people had signed this petition – anyone could have copied it and made a fuss, the signatories could have joined forces and demanded answers, and the fact that the PJ final report left two options available would be advertised worldwide.

7. The petition is very well worded and looks genuine to me but this is no pro-McCann for the reasons stated above. It could be an anti-McCann but it doesn’t really sound like it, it’s far too fair and neutral. My guess is that this is someone who has sat on the fence or maybe someone who genuinely believes that Madeleine was in fact abducted. Who else would draw attention to both sides of the story?

8. Ask yourselves – would you have created such a petition and if you had, would you put your own name to it? There are many people looking at this case on the on the internet, forums, blogs etc. But, how many of us actually use our own names? – Maybe the petition creator wanted anonymity too and just has a sense of humour.

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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by aiyoyo on 27.07.10 9:34

They have not stooped so low or have they?

Why good is a bunch of email addys to them?
So that they can harrasse people globally ?considering people world wide have signed it.

That would do them a f....ked all a lot of good then!
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Leaking e-mail addys and vile obscenities - tactics of McCann-supporters

Post by Tony Bennett on 27.07.10 10:08

@aiyoyo wrote:They have not stooped so low or have they? What good is a bunch of email addys to them? So that they can harrass people...?
They did it before on the Prime Minister's website, when, in 2008, they attempted to close down petitions connected to Madeleine by the following tactics:

1. Posting usersnames from people on 3As and adding their real names by the side of them (due to a leak which could only have come from inside 3As)

2. Using vile obscenties on a publicly viewable and popular website.

That is their character.

Mercifully this forum is almost free from swear words and vulgar language.

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PETITION UPDATE:

Signature No. 47 on the petition:

Margy Carrey (CNN), Washington D.C.
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Draco on 27.07.10 18:00

@ufercoffy wrote:But have you signed the petition anyway Draco?

You know, just in case.

Non.

@Judge Mental wrote:@ Draco

''This case will only be solved, Madeleine will only get justice, if
a. she's found alive or
b. someone who knows what's happened, comes forward and makes a statement, confesses, leads them to the body. But why would he/she/they? They got away with what they did.''

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Who has decided that Madeleine 'will only get justice' if either of the two options above happens?

Many people have been jailed without a corpse being found. One would wish to make you aware that nobody has got away with anything at all as yet, because the case is not closed.

The case is shelved by the PJ and may be opened at any such time as the new evidences of discrepancies are finally collated. These things take a great deal of time and planning Draco, so please do not be so down-hearted.

Indeed the case is not closed, but there's no evidence to charge anyone. So how can one get new evidence?


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Clarence Mitchell gets an honourable mention!

Post by Tony Bennett on 27.07.10 23:04

The petition now has 75 signatures and some very good comments coming in along with the signatures.

Even better, one MF member has a Google Alert for 'Clarence Mitchell' and tonight this has come up!!

Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's ...
The McCanns own spokesman, Mr Clarence Mitchell, admitted earlier this year that Madeleines disappearance was A Complete Mystery. Despite the McCanns having spent literally millions of pounds, most of it raised from the public, ...
Overview Petitions - Care2: ThePetiti... - http://www.thepetitionsite.com/?q=h3m4n
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Irish Eyes on 28.07.10 7:13

I'm surprised to see you haven't bothered to sign it despite monitoring it.

Don't you approve of it enough to sign it? thinking
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Judge Mental on 28.07.10 9:26

@Draco wrote:
@ufercoffy wrote:But have you signed the petition anyway Draco?

You know, just in case.

Non.

@Judge Mental wrote:@ Draco

''This case will only be solved, Madeleine will only get justice, if
a. she's found alive or
b. someone who knows what's happened, comes forward and makes a statement, confesses, leads them to the body. But why would he/she/they? They got away with what they did.''

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Who has decided that Madeleine 'will only get justice' if either of the two options above happens?

Many people have been jailed without a corpse being found. One would wish to make you aware that nobody has got away with anything at all as yet, because the case is not closed.

The case is shelved by the PJ and may be opened at any such time as the new evidences of discrepancies are finally collated. These things take a great deal of time and planning Draco, so please do not be so down-hearted.

Indeed the case is not closed, but there's no evidence to charge anyone. So how can one get new evidence?



@ Draco

Indeed one would have to ask the police about a man named Gordon Park who hung himself after being handed a life sentence for having weighted down Carol Ann Park's body in Coniston Water in 1976, He was originally arrested in 1997 when her body was discovered, and re-arrested and charged circa 2004. Or perhaps one should consider reading about Christie and his activities at 10 Rillington Place.
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Judge Mental on 28.07.10 9:36

@Irish Eyes wrote:I'm surprised to see you haven't bothered to sign it despite monitoring it.

Don't you approve of it enough to sign it? thinking

@ Irish Eyes

For goodness sake! Please do not tell me you have you run out of bogs to trot again? PM me for an easy to read wipe-clean map of some very soft ones.
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Draco on 28.07.10 10:24

@Irish Eyes wrote:I'm surprised to see you haven't bothered to sign it despite monitoring it.

Don't you approve of it enough to sign it? thinking

Imo it's a phishing trick. 2000 signatures won't change anything.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/788/286/303
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Draco on 28.07.10 10:31

@Judge Mental wrote:
@ Draco

Indeed one would have to ask the police about a man named Gordon Park who hung himself after being handed a life sentence for having weighted down Carol Ann Park's body in Coniston Water in 1976, He was originally arrested in 1997 when her body was discovered, and re-arrested and charged circa 2004. Or perhaps one should consider reading about Christie and his activities at 10 Rillington Place.

Ah yes, I could or should add
c. If her body is found with evidence of who's involved, who's hidden the body.
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Judge Mental on 28.07.10 11:26

@ Draco

A body is not necessarily needed as proof, Draco.

The two cases cited above were to simply to show there have been occasions where a person has been wrongly accused and tried, as was the case for Timothy John Evans, and that on other occasions a great many years had to pass before people were finally convicted. Park thought he had got away with the murder of his wife when he was released after his first arrest, yet he was finally re-arrested in 2004 because of an unusual type of knot.in a rope.



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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Judge Mental on 28.07.10 11:50

@Draco wrote:
@Irish Eyes wrote:I'm surprised to see you haven't bothered to sign it despite monitoring it.

Don't you approve of it enough to sign it? thinking

Imo it's a phishing trick. 2000 signatures won't change anything.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/788/286/303

You must try telling that to politicians when they are trying to win their seats in Parliament at the next election.

One would have you know that sometimes less than 2000 crosses on ballot papers (without so much as a sniff of a signature) have been the deciding factor in whether a potential MP boards the gravy train for four years or has to go out and work for a living. So please do not underestimate the power of the people, Draco.

One is sorry to see that you have such a pessimistic outlook on everything all of the time so please PM me if things are troubling you, and one will try to bring a little positivity into your life..
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Tony Bennett on 28.07.10 17:41

Latest signatory on the petition:


9:21 am PDT, Jul 28, William Hill, United Kingdom
Dear Home Secretary, It is of the utmost importance that a public enquiry be instigated. I live within two miles of the Mc Canns and there is still very strong feelings and opinions as to what happened to Madeleine. The McCanns can only bring closure to this sad affair if the truth is determined. Sincerely, William L Hill
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Draco on 28.07.10 20:06

@Judge Mental wrote:@ Draco

A body is not necessarily needed as proof, Draco.

The two cases cited above were to simply to show there have been occasions where a person has been wrongly accused and tried, as was the case for Timothy John Evans, and that on other occasions a great many years had to pass before people were finally convicted. Park thought he had got away with the murder of his wife when he was released after his first arrest, yet he was finally re-arrested in 2004 because of an unusual type of knot.in a rope.

Thank you for proving my point.

Okay, recap:
I wrote "This case will only be solved, Madeleine will only get justice, if
a. she's found alive or
b. someone who knows what's happened, comes forward and makes a statement, confesses, leads them to the body.
c. if her body is found with evidence of who's involved, who's hidden the body
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Gordon Park was convicted on circumstantial evidence. Part of the evidence was found when Carol Ann Park's body was found.
But he didn't get charged and convicted at that time. It was only after a former cellmate made a confession to the police about what Gordon told him. After that the police went back and found a rock that linked to Gordon's house.
Gordon talked, someone came forward, they found evidence near the body, that's my b. and c. (Seems there's still some controversy about his guilt or innocence?).

Re the petition, I'm not a dreamer nor a pessimist, I'm a realist. Let's wait and see who's got it right, shall we?

ETA and I really object to a petition of which the person who's started it is using an alias. If he/she is doing a genuine attempt, why not using his/her own name?
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Judge Mental on 30.07.10 13:07

Should anybody still not believe in the power of signing petitions, please note how easy it is to amass more than 20.000 signatures within only a short period of time:

Petition to:
scrap the plans to tax phone lines to subsidise other peoples broadband
This petition is now closed, as its deadline has passed.

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to scrap the plans to tax phone lines to subsidise other peoples broadband. More details

Submitted by Tony Humphreys – Deadline to sign up by: 27 February 2010 – Signatures: 20,243

More details from petition creator
I request that the Government scraps any plans to add 50p a month tax to phone lines to subsidise further broadband roll out. It is wholly unfair to tax my phone line to pay for someone else's broadband, and it is as simple as that. It is recognised that rural areas do suffer a slower connection and higher costs, but they have fantastic views, clean air and a safer environment - its a choice people have to live in the country - and a decision they take. Please see sense, and stop this poll tax - broadband is not a vital service.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/scrap50pphonetax/

Government response
The Government confirmed in the Budget that it will not introduce the proposed duty on landlines. Instead, it will drive private sector investment in superfast broadband by making regulatory changes to reduce the cost of roll-out.

We are keen to avoid a digital divide between those who enjoy modern communications and those who – for whatever reason – do not. The Coalition Government is therefore committed to stimulating access to reliable internet broadband across the country through whatever technology is required. We are examining options of how to deliver this.

The recent Budget also confirmed that there are to be three pilot projects that will bring superfast broadband to rural and hard-to-reach areas. These are projects that will not only benefit those living in these areas, but will also provide Government with vital information about how we can best target Government intervention and make next generation broadband viable in even the most challenging areas.

BDUK is also working towards the delivery of universal broadband service at two Megabits per second. This will be funded by a portion of the Digital Switchover underspend within the TV licence fee.
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by Judge Mental on 30.07.10 15:03

@ Draco

You do not seem to have considered your last post as carefully as you think you have, so one will ignore it for now. However, with regard to the ETA part of your last post: ''ETA and I really object to a petition of which the person who's started it is using an alias. If he/she is doing a genuine attempt, why not using his/her own name?''

If you 'really object', then do not sign it. Is anybody twisting your arm up your back or sticking needles in your eyes?.

How do you know it is somebody using an alias? How does this invalidate their said attempt?

Why should somebody have to use their own name when they are at liberty to use an alias? You are currently using an alias on here. Would you prefer us to ignore you until you tell us your real name and come back with a bank reference and two utility bills? .
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by aiyoyo on 01.08.10 9:03

The more important point is 2000 valid and verifiable signatures and not who is organising the petition under what name? This is about Madeleine isnt it?

Does it matter if it is tom dick or harry under whichever name is organising the petition, shouldnt it be about the purpose of the petition?
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Re: Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Post by baconbutty on 01.08.10 9:57

Can I be devil's advocate for a moment?

A serious petition will, at some point, be handed over to officialdom for their perusal and consideration, presumably.
If said officialdom cotton on to the petiton organiser's anagram, they might not be inclined to take it quite as seriously as if it had a genuine organiser's name on it.

However sincere the aims and objectives of the petition are, I believe it is always wise not to give officialdom any excuse, however small, to reject it. Because if there is any opportunity for them to do nothing, they will grab it.

IMO, a petition is a formal, official document and should be formatted as such.
It is not the same as a forum, where by convention usernames are acceptable and the norm. A forum is, in the main, a meeting point for informal discussion under quite different circumstances -- I can't imagine any conditions under which such material would be presented to anyone in authority.

What if some signees decided to 'follow the leader' and sign the petition with anagrams of people connected with the case?

Cat McKenna? Paddy Naive? Jean Rannet?

I don't think the organiser would be very happy with that.

JMHO.
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