Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

by **Jill Havern** 26.07.10 7:41

Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Target:
2.000

Sponsored by:
Alan-Marc Logoa

Why is it necessary to have a public enquiry into missing Madeleine McCann? Let us consider a few salient facts.
This was a British girl, nearly 4 years old when she was reported missing. There are widely divergent views on what really happened to her. The McCanns claim she was abducted. The original senior detective in the case and his team believed the evidence pointed to Madeleine having died in her parents holiday apartment.
When the case was shelved by the Portuguese authorities, their final report left both the above options open, but said there was insufficient evidence to charge any individual with any crime relating to Madeleines disappearance. Public opinion ranges from those who fully support and believe in the McCanns account of events, to those who consider that they have reason to doubt it.
The McCanns recently met with Home Secretary Alan Johnson to demand a re-investigation into Madeleines disappearance and now the new Home Secretary Theresa May has also agreed to meet them. The McCanns own spokesman, Mr Clarence Mitchell, admitted earlier this year that Madeleines disappearance was A Complete Mystery. Despite the McCanns having spent literally millions of pounds, most of it raised from the public, on a string of private detective agencies, none of us have any clue whatsoever as to where she might be.
There has been no court case of any kind which might help to establish the truth about what happened to her. A public enquiry with the power to summon witnesses is the most likely to be able to get to the truth. All those with eye-witness or relevant expert evidence to bring to bear on the subject should be summoned to give evidence, and be open to being cross-examined.
If you support this petition, you will be helping to press the government to hold a public enquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine, probably the only way we can establish what might have happened to her.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/289/petition-for-a-full-public-enquiry-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-with-the-power-to

by aiyoyo 26.07.10 8:00

Signed.

by ufercoffy 26.07.10 8:05

It'll be interesting to see if Kate and Gerry McCann, or their family and friends and 'pro' supporters sign this petition because, surely, all of them want a public enquiry.

Don't they?

by aiyoyo 26.07.10 11:57

Yeah, only on their terms.
That Maddie was abducted by paedophile...believe ......believe...BELIEVE .....IT and nothing ELSE.
Else, beware of pet bulldog......CrrrrrrrrrrR!

by Kololi 26.07.10 15:07

A public enquiry with the power to summon witnesses is the most likely to be able to get to the truth. All those with eye-witness or relevant expert evidence to bring to bear on the subject should be summoned to give evidence, and be open to being cross-examined.

If it happens as the quote above states it could, it would appear to be fair and transparent and shouldn't upset anybody regardless of their opinion of what might have occurred that evening. Maybe under such a happening this little girl might get what she deserves too and that is an independent and fair effort to find out what happened to her.

Where would such an enquiry need to be held, England or Portugal?

Whaterver the outcome, there would be some people disappointed with it who might yell "fixed" of course.

by Draco 26.07.10 15:27

]A public enquiry with the power to summon witnesses is the most likely to be able to get to the truth. All those with eye-witness or relevant expert evidence to bring to bear on the subject should be summoned to give evidence, and be open to being cross-examined.

The eye-witnesses already made statements to the PJ. If they lied, it's unlikely they'll tell the truth now, after they got away with it.
Anybody who thinks s/he's got expert evidence is able to relay the information to the PJ. I'm sure they'll investigate it.
There's been no Court case because there's no evidence of what's really happened nor who's responsible for her disappearance.
This case will only be solved, Madeleine will only get justice, if
a. she's found alive or
b. someone who knows what's happened, comes forward and makes a statement, confesses, leads them to the body. But why would he/she/they? They got away with what they did.

by ufercoffy 26.07.10 16:27

But have you signed the petition anyway Draco?

You know, just in case.

by Judge Mental 26.07.10 19:42

@ Draco

''This case will only be solved, Madeleine will only get justice, if
a. she's found alive or
b. someone who knows what's happened, comes forward and makes a statement, confesses, leads them to the body. But why would he/she/they? They got away with what they did.''

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Who has decided that Madeleine 'will only get justice' if either of the two options above happens?

Many people have been jailed without a corpse being found. One would wish to make you aware that nobody has got away with anything at all as yet, because the case is not closed.

The case is shelved by the PJ and may be opened at any such time as the new evidences of discrepancies are finally collated. These things take a great deal of time and planning Draco, so please do not be so down-hearted.
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by Doceedo 26.07.10 20:34

ufercoffy wrote:It'll be interesting to see if Kate and Gerry McCann, or their family and friends and 'pro' supporters sign this petition because, surely, all of them want a public enquiry.

Don't they?

On Twitter, Joana Morais is suggesting that it's just for collecting e-mail addresses. She can't find anything on Alan-Marc Logoa. She thinks it's just a TM ploy.

by Guest 26.07.10 20:51

I've just done a double take on that name Alan Marc Logoa

it is..................

Goncalo Amaral

by Rainbow 26.07.10 20:58

by Guest 26.07.10 21:00

Yep unscramble the letters and you get GONCALO AMARAL!!!!!

I watch countdown a lot laugh

by Doceedo 26.07.10 21:00

candyfloss wrote:I've just done a double take on that name Alan Marc Logoa

it is..................

Goncalo Amaral

Well done Candyfloss :flower:

by ufercoffy 26.07.10 21:02

I see the pro's have started signing it with abuse against TB Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance Icon_rolleyes

Just goes to prove they don't want Madeleine found and the f*ckers have something to hide. Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance 935245

Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance 935245

by baconbutty 26.07.10 21:06

candyfloss wrote:I've just done a double take on that name Alan Marc Logoa

it is..................

Goncalo Amaral

Well done Candyfloss! Petition for a full public enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance 759815

I did it the lazy way and ran it through an anagram generator, but with no luck!

by Doceedo 26.07.10 21:07

ufercoffy wrote:I see the pro's have started signing it with abuse against TB

Just goes to prove they don't want Madeleine found and the f*ckers have something to hide.

That was probably it's main purpose all along - together with collecting e-mail addresses (which could well be personal ones). B@stards

by **Tony Bennett** 26.07.10 22:35

The petition's kicked off with 42 signatures in less than 24 hours and with people from 13 different countries signing, in alphabetical order:

Australia
Belgium
Canada
Cyprus
Germany
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
Singapore
South Africa
Spain
U.K.
U.S.A.

If nothing else, it's a small indication of the worldwide interest in this case.

42 a day for a year would give it over 15,000 signatures

by **sharonl** 27.07.10 8:20

Doceedo wrote:
ufercoffy wrote:It'll be interesting to see if Kate and Gerry McCann, or their family and friends and 'pro' supporters sign this petition because, surely, all of them want a public enquiry.

Don't they?

On Twitter, Joana Morais is suggesting that it's just for collecting e-mail addresses. She can't find anything on Alan-Marc Logoa. She thinks it's just a TM ploy.

I Hardly think that this is the work of Team McCann, even with an ulterior motive – if it is then they’ve gone mad.

8 Reasons why Team McCann are unlikely to be responsible for this petition.

1. Team McCann do not want a public inquiry

2. This petition draws attention to the fact that there is another side to this story, team McCann only want you to see the one side.– “The original senior detective in the case and his team believed the evidence pointed to Madeleine having died in her parents holiday apartment. When the case was shelved by the Portuguese authorities, their final report left both the above options open, but said there was insufficient evidence to charge any individual with any crime relating to Madeleine’s disappearance. Public opinion ranges from those who fully support and believe in the McCann’s account of events, to those who consider that they have reason to doubt it.”

3. If they had created this petition they would have used a name that everyone recognises, someone on their own team, in order to show the world that they want the case re-investigated. Both Antis and pros would have signed and sympathy would have been sought when the press reported that the government had turned it down.

4. All their friends and family would have signed because that would be expected of a couple who want to know what happened to their daughter

5. This is definitely an anagram of Goncalo Amaral, maybe a co-incidence but it’s very unlikely. The last name on earth that team McCann would have used is an anagram of Goncalo Amaral – they would have gone for someone well known in the UK and of very high social standing. ( to their standards anyway)

6. Imagine what could have happened if thousands of people had signed this petition – anyone could have copied it and made a fuss, the signatories could have joined forces and demanded answers, and the fact that the PJ final report left two options available would be advertised worldwide.

7. The petition is very well worded and looks genuine to me but this is no pro-McCann for the reasons stated above. It could be an anti-McCann but it doesn’t really sound like it, it’s far too fair and neutral. My guess is that this is someone who has sat on the fence or maybe someone who genuinely believes that Madeleine was in fact abducted. Who else would draw attention to both sides of the story?

8. Ask yourselves – would you have created such a petition and if you had, would you put your own name to it? There are many people looking at this case on the on the internet, forums, blogs etc. But, how many of us actually use our own names? – Maybe the petition creator wanted anonymity too and just has a sense of humour.

by aiyoyo 27.07.10 9:34

They have not stooped so low or have they?

Why good is a bunch of email addys to them?
So that they can harrasse people globally ?considering people world wide have signed it.

That would do them a f....ked all a lot of good then!

by **Tony Bennett** 27.07.10 10:08

aiyoyo wrote:They have not stooped so low or have they? What good is a bunch of email addys to them? So that they can harrass people...?

They did it before on the Prime Minister's website, when, in 2008, they attempted to close down petitions connected to Madeleine by the following tactics:

1. Posting usersnames from people on 3As and adding their real names by the side of them (due to a leak which could only have come from inside 3As)

2. Using vile obscenties on a publicly viewable and popular website.

That is their character.

Mercifully this forum is almost free from swear words and vulgar language.

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PETITION UPDATE:

Signature No. 47 on the petition:

Margy Carrey (CNN), Washington D.C.

by Draco 27.07.10 18:00

ufercoffy wrote:But have you signed the petition anyway Draco?

You know, just in case.

Non.

Judge Mental wrote:@ Draco

''This case will only be solved, Madeleine will only get justice, if
a. she's found alive or
b. someone who knows what's happened, comes forward and makes a statement, confesses, leads them to the body. But why would he/she/they? They got away with what they did.''

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Who has decided that Madeleine 'will only get justice' if either of the two options above happens?

Many people have been jailed without a corpse being found. One would wish to make you aware that nobody has got away with anything at all as yet, because the case is not closed.

The case is shelved by the PJ and may be opened at any such time as the new evidences of discrepancies are finally collated. These things take a great deal of time and planning Draco, so please do not be so down-hearted.

Indeed the case is not closed, but there's no evidence to charge anyone. So how can one get new evidence?

by **Tony Bennett** 27.07.10 23:04

The petition now has 75 signatures and some very good comments coming in along with the signatures.

Even better, one MF member has a Google Alert for 'Clarence Mitchell' and tonight this has come up!!

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by Irish Eyes 28.07.10 7:13

I'm surprised to see you haven't bothered to sign it despite monitoring it.

Don't you approve of it enough to sign it? thinking

by Judge Mental 28.07.10 9:26

Draco wrote:
ufercoffy wrote:But have you signed the petition anyway Draco?

You know, just in case.

Non.

Judge Mental wrote:@ Draco

''This case will only be solved, Madeleine will only get justice, if
a. she's found alive or
b. someone who knows what's happened, comes forward and makes a statement, confesses, leads them to the body. But why would he/she/they? They got away with what they did.''

**********************************************************************************

Who has decided that Madeleine 'will only get justice' if either of the two options above happens?

Many people have been jailed without a corpse being found. One would wish to make you aware that nobody has got away with anything at all as yet, because the case is not closed.

The case is shelved by the PJ and may be opened at any such time as the new evidences of discrepancies are finally collated. These things take a great deal of time and planning Draco, so please do not be so down-hearted.

Indeed the case is not closed, but there's no evidence to charge anyone. So how can one get new evidence?

@ Draco

Indeed one would have to ask the police about a man named Gordon Park who hung himself after being handed a life sentence for having weighted down Carol Ann Park's body in Coniston Water in 1976, He was originally arrested in 1997 when her body was discovered, and re-arrested and charged circa 2004. Or perhaps one should consider reading about Christie and his activities at 10 Rillington Place.

by Judge Mental 28.07.10 9:36

Irish Eyes wrote:I'm surprised to see you haven't bothered to sign it despite monitoring it.

Don't you approve of it enough to sign it?

@ Irish Eyes

For goodness sake! Please do not tell me you have you run out of bogs to trot again? PM me for an easy to read wipe-clean map of some very soft ones.

by Draco 28.07.10 10:24

Irish Eyes wrote:I'm surprised to see you haven't bothered to sign it despite monitoring it.

Don't you approve of it enough to sign it?

Imo it's a phishing trick. 2000 signatures won't change anything.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/788/286/303

by Draco 28.07.10 10:31

Judge Mental wrote:
@ Draco

Indeed one would have to ask the police about a man named Gordon Park who hung himself after being handed a life sentence for having weighted down Carol Ann Park's body in Coniston Water in 1976, He was originally arrested in 1997 when her body was discovered, and re-arrested and charged circa 2004. Or perhaps one should consider reading about Christie and his activities at 10 Rillington Place.

Ah yes, I could or should add
c. If her body is found with evidence of who's involved, who's hidden the body.

by Judge Mental 28.07.10 11:26

@ Draco

A body is not necessarily needed as proof, Draco.

The two cases cited above were to simply to show there have been occasions where a person has been wrongly accused and tried, as was the case for Timothy John Evans, and that on other occasions a great many years had to pass before people were finally convicted. Park thought he had got away with the murder of his wife when he was released after his first arrest, yet he was finally re-arrested in 2004 because of an unusual type of knot.in a rope.

by Judge Mental 28.07.10 11:50

Draco wrote:
Irish Eyes wrote:I'm surprised to see you haven't bothered to sign it despite monitoring it.

Don't you approve of it enough to sign it?

Imo it's a phishing trick. 2000 signatures won't change anything.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/788/286/303

You must try telling that to politicians when they are trying to win their seats in Parliament at the next election.

One would have you know that sometimes less than 2000 crosses on ballot papers (without so much as a sniff of a signature) have been the deciding factor in whether a potential MP boards the gravy train for four years or has to go out and work for a living. So please do not underestimate the power of the people, Draco.

One is sorry to see that you have such a pessimistic outlook on everything all of the time so please PM me if things are troubling you, and one will try to bring a little positivity into your life..

by **Tony Bennett** 28.07.10 17:41

Latest signatory on the petition:

9:21 am PDT, Jul 28, William Hill, United Kingdom
Dear Home Secretary, It is of the utmost importance that a public enquiry be instigated. I live within two miles of the Mc Canns and there is still very strong feelings and opinions as to what happened to Madeleine. The McCanns can only bring closure to this sad affair if the truth is determined. Sincerely, William L Hill