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Post by BlueBag on 26.11.15 5:31

Let's remember.

Not just blood.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm
Dog inspection report of cars searched in subterranean 
garage
Canine Inspection Report 
Date 6 and 7 August 2007 
Place Underground parking area of 1st of May Square, Portimao.
Participants: three PJ officers; two UK police experts; Eddy and Keela, the English Springer 
[Spaniels]
THE ENTIRE WORK WAS RECORDED IN IMAGE AND SOUND [on video]
On 6 August 2007, at 15h17, a canine inspection was performed in the following motor cars, this 
being done on level -4 of the above-mentioned underground car park:
[list of cars: Opel Corsa; Fiat Punto; Peugeot 205; Renault Scenic; Skodia Fabia; VW Transporter; 
Nissan Patrol; VW Passat; Audi A4; Renault Kangoo.]
Thus, at the hour indicated the work began, with the dog Eddy, that detects cadaver odour, 
examining the whole level of the underground car park where the vehicles were parked, it having 
been verified the following result:
15h27 - the dog 'marked' car number 4 - Renault Scenic - rental vehicle currently used by Gerry 
and Kate McCann.

How many dead people used the car?
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Post by sar on 26.11.15 6:35

"Cadaver Car" TM

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Post by kinell on 26.11.15 6:50

BlueBag wrote:Let's remember.

Not just blood.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm
Dog inspection report of cars searched in subterranean 
garage
Canine Inspection Report 
Date 6 and 7 August 2007 
Place Underground parking area of 1st of May Square, Portimao.
Participants: three PJ officers; two UK police experts; Eddy and Keela, the English Springer 
[Spaniels]
THE ENTIRE WORK WAS RECORDED IN IMAGE AND SOUND [on video]
On 6 August 2007, at 15h17, a canine inspection was performed in the following motor cars, this 
being done on level -4 of the above-mentioned underground car park:
[list of cars: Opel Corsa; Fiat Punto; Peugeot 205; Renault Scenic; Skodia Fabia; VW Transporter; 
Nissan Patrol; VW Passat; Audi A4; Renault Kangoo.]
Thus, at the hour indicated the work began, with the dog Eddy, that detects cadaver odour, 
examining the whole level of the underground car park where the vehicles were parked, it having 
been verified the following result:
15h27 - the dog 'marked' car number 4 - Renault Scenic - rental vehicle currently used by Gerry 
and Kate McCann.

How many dead people used the car?
How many dead people used the apartment?

"Ask the dogs, Sandra.", says Gerry McCann.

Well, Gerry, they were asked.

It's not just about the blood or the hair, Gerry, it's about the cadaver odour. The fact you acknowledged the cadaver odour by making excuses for it, the fact that you aired the boot for days on end.

Seriously, why are these people still free, especially the Mrs who became Ambassador for Missing People?

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Post by willowthewisp on 26.11.15 9:52

Hi DougD,thank you for the reports from Mr Richard Philips,from article no 2,he(RP)No 5 states of the wilful destruction of the DNA recovered from the hire car and this is unconfirmed, that the DNA was destroyed, but it was proposed to be done on Health grounds, as per "Home Office Guidelines"?
Where doe's this leave the case if it can be proven that, the "Home Office" did destroy the original DNA legally, would this not construe "Negligence of Officials" from within the state departments in an unprovern criminal case, which could prove someone's innocence or Guilt?

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Post by Verdi on 26.11.15 10:04

@Ladyinred & @listener

Thank you good people!

The men in suits?  Bit tenuous isn't it - I'm always suspicious of people that make flimsy claims but fail to back them up.  Pity, it looked promising sad .
Ah well, back to the drawing board.

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Post by Verdi on 26.11.15 10:25

McCann team tests car for traces of Madeleine - November 2007

Last night it emerged that lawyers working for the couple had hired independent forensic scientists to examine the car, which had been kept in a garage of an Algarve holiday villa after they returned to the UK.  [McCanns friend John Geraghty]

Brian Kennedy, the wealthy business man who is funding the McCann's own efforts to investigate their daughter's disappearance, confirmed the tests had taken place.

"We did our own tests on the hire car and found no traces of Madeleine," he said.

He said that the tests had been carried out by a team of independent Home Office accredited pathologists and were completely reliable.
The forensic team also examined hairs belonging to Madeleine's siblings, twins Sean and Amelie, 2, but found no trace of them ever having been given sedatives.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569964/McCann-team-tests-car-for-traces-of-Madeleine.html
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Pick the bone out of that!

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Post by willowthewisp on 26.11.15 11:15

Verdi wrote:McCann team tests car for traces of Madeleine - November 2007

Last night it emerged that lawyers working for the couple had hired independent forensic scientists to examine the car, which had been kept in a garage of an Algarve holiday villa after they returned to the UK.  [McCanns friend John Geraghty]

Brian Kennedy, the wealthy business man who is funding the McCann's own efforts to investigate their daughter's disappearance, confirmed the tests had taken place.

"We did our own tests on the hire car and found no traces of Madeleine," he said.

He said that the tests had been carried out by a team of independent Home Office accredited pathologists and were completely reliable.
The forensic team also examined hairs belonging to Madeleine's siblings, twins Sean and Amelie, 2, but found no trace of them ever having been given sedatives.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569964/McCann-team-tests-car-for-traces-of-Madeleine.html
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Pick the bone out of that!
The tests for sedatives was months after the disappearance, so unlikely to still be in a child's system!
Did the PJ have DNA samples taken from Mr John Geraghty as the vehicle was in his occupancy for several days before the PJ forensic tests were carried out?
Was Mr Geraghty present when the independent test were taken and were these tests taken after the PJ?

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Post by Verdi on 26.11.15 17:50

willowthewisp wrote:
Verdi wrote:McCann team tests car for traces of Madeleine - November 2007

Last night it emerged that lawyers working for the couple had hired independent forensic scientists to examine the car, which had been kept in a garage of an Algarve holiday villa after they returned to the UK.  [McCanns friend John Geraghty]

Brian Kennedy, the wealthy business man who is funding the McCann's own efforts to investigate their daughter's disappearance, confirmed the tests had taken place.

"We did our own tests on the hire car and found no traces of Madeleine," he said.

He said that the tests had been carried out by a team of independent Home Office accredited pathologists and were completely reliable.
The forensic team also examined hairs belonging to Madeleine's siblings, twins Sean and Amelie, 2, but found no trace of them ever having been given sedatives.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569964/McCann-team-tests-car-for-traces-of-Madeleine.html
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Pick the bone out of that!
The tests for sedatives was months after the disappearance, so unlikely to still be in a child's system!
Did the PJ have DNA samples taken from Mr John Geraghty as the vehicle was in his occupancy for several days before the PJ forensic tests were carried out?
Was Mr Geraghty present when the independent test were taken and were these tests taken after the PJ?
It really is a load of old tosh isn't it?  The only believable thing being that friend John Geraghty had custody of the Renault Scenic after the McCanns departure from Portugal - and then only because I believe he was one of the signatories that returned the car to the rental company.

Apart from the very fact that it would be futile exercise to examine the car after it had already been examined by the PJ forensic team and Martin Grime and wonder dogs Eddie and Keela,  had evidence of Madeleine's presence been detected, they're hardly likely to say so are they?

The examination by the PJ resources included a Kastel-Meyer test used to detect the possible presence of hemoglobin, the services of Keela the bloodhound and should all else fail Luminol, customarily used by police forensics to detect minute traces of blood at a crime scene.  Police don't generally deploy costly forensic services and equipment without reason - it must have been more than just a hunch.

The mind boggles as to how much more public money was frittered away on this non-productive exercise hosted by the FSS.  Who settled the bill I ask myself, the UK public - again?  I still find it very hard to believe that not one positive result was forthcoming from all the samples given to the FSS for analysis.

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Post by Verdi on 26.11.15 18:35

A quick look at the timeline..

30th July 2007 - Martin Grime arrives in Portugal with trained dogs Eddie and Keela.

31st July 2007 -  Portuguese and UK investigators begin their search of apartment 5A with Eddie and Keela.
 
Cadaver odour is indicated in the McCanns bedroom by the wardrobe, in the living room behind a sofa and a light scent indicated outside in a flowerbed. A blood indication is made behind the sofa.

1st August 2007 - Jon Corner arrives to film promotional material for the official 'Find Madeleine' site. Kate's parents also arrive.

2nd August 2007 - Gerry McCann cancels trip to Huelva due to 'viral illness'.
 
Around 18:00pm, the Inspectors knock on the door of the McCanns villa. Jon Corner states in the Panorama documentary that the McCanns were forewarned of this forensic visit and that there were clothes in the washing machine when the Inspectors arrived.
 
Cadaver odour is indicated on two pieces of Kate's clothing (trousers and blouse), on a red T-shirt believed to belong to Madeleine and on the soft toy known as 'Cuddle Cat'.

3rd August 2007 - The Huelva trip goes ahead, despite all public places being closed.

4th August 2007 - Casa Liliana, home of Robert Murat, is searched. Vegetation is cleared from the grounds and in the evening the sniffer dogs are used.  Jon Corner returns home.

5th August 2007 - The search of Murat's property continues. Nothing is found.
[Stephen Birch enthusiasts please note]

6th August 2007 - 10 vehicles are collected and examined in a closed car park in Portimao.  Cadaver odour is indicated on the McCanns Renault Scenic hire car and also the key of the vehicle. Blood is indicated on the key of the vehicle and the interior of the car's boot.

(Thanks to mccannfiles.com)

Busy busy eh?  The McCanns get wind of an inopportune visit by specialist dogs deployed by UK and hey presto - a quick domestic wash, Gerry goes viral,  a hasty trip to Heulva on a public holiday in the Renault Scenic (some time of which has not been accounted for) and within days dogs alert to blood and cadavar scents in the Renault Scenic. 


Too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion?  Madeleine may or may not have been in the Renault Scenic?   Come on John Lowe ex-FSS aficionado of all things forensic, you can do better than that.

Join the dots..

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Post by dhpaul on 27.11.15 15:04

You can join the dots
I can join the dots
Lots of people can join the dots

The question is can SY join the dots?
Does it want to?

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Post by hogwash on 27.11.15 19:46

MADELEINE: FULL DNA MATCH OF MISSING GIRL ‘UNDER CARPET IN CAR BOOT‘

The Daily Mail, 11 September 2007

Police to search church where McCanns prayed Tests suggest Madeleine ‘accidentally poisoned by overdose‘ Bugged phone calls convinced police Madeleine is dead Portuguese newspapers label Kate McCann a ‘violent‘ mother Madeleine: DNA in the McCanns‘ hire care boot is said to be a full match Kate and Gerry McCann face sensational new forensic claims linking them to the alleged killing of their daughter Madeleine.



Police sources in Portugal asserted that a full DNA profile matching the missing four–year–old had been recovered from the boot of the couple‘s hire car.

In addition, it was claimed that blood had been discovered underneath the boot‘s upholstery in the Renault Scenic – which was rented by the couple 25 days after their daughter vanished.

There have been suggestions that the profile could be a hair or a flake of skin – which could have been innocently transferred by the couple at any time.

On their return to Britain on Sunday, Mr McCann reiterated his insistence that they had "nothing" to do with the disappearance of their daughter.

Friends of the couple say they are victims of a campaign by the Portuguese to pressurise them into a confession.

But last night detectives were insisting that blood had been found in the boot.

The claim came on a dramatic day when: The McCanns found themselves under investigation from British police and social services to assess whether their twin son and daughter are at risk.

Portuguese police said they are on the verge of handing over a dossier of evidence to the public prosecutor accusing Mrs McCann of killing her daughter.

New forensic results from British scientists were said to be due in Portugal within days amid claims that toxicology tests suggest Madeleine was accidentally poisoned by some sort of overdose.

Police were preparing to search the church where the McCanns prayed for their daughter‘s safe return.

Portuguese newspapers labelled Kate McCann a violent mother prone to "hysterical reactions".

Claims were made that bugged phone calls between the McCanns and their friends have convinced police their daughter is dead.

Scroll down for more... Gerry and Kate McCann insist they had ‘nothing‘ to do with the disappearance of their daughter Read more...

Hunt for Madeleine‘s body moves to church where McCanns prayed McCanns call in heavyweight lawyers to clear their name Now British police ask if twins are ‘at risk‘ Portuguese picture of ‘hysterical wife‘ Detectives trying to prove that Kate McCann killed her daughter have launched an astonishing smear campaign against her.

They painted the 3'–year–old doctor as a violent mother prone to "hysterical reactions" and losing control.

The allegations were leaked to Portuguese newspapers hours after Mrs McCann and her husband Gerry left the country under a cloud of suspicion about the disappearance of four–year–old Madeleine.

Quoting police sources, the papers alleged that Mrs McCann became "visibly out of control" under questioning by police, and that witnesses had described her as "violent" and "aggressive" towards her children.

It was claimed that she routinely put Madeleine and the two–year–old twins to bed in the family‘s holiday apartment "while Gerry played tennis and lay by the pool".

The reports also quoted witnesses who have given statements to police. Pamela Fenn, who was in an apartment above the family on May 3 – the night Madeleine disappeared – is quoted as saying she believed Mrs McCann sometimes became violent and "out of control" in the room below.

She claimed that "the little girl‘s screams calling for her daddy were very audible".

Another witness is quoted as saying that Mrs McCann "seemed to have moments of aggressiveness towards her children" and that her husband, "though more absent, had more emotional control".

Mrs McCann is said to have strongly denied both these allegations in police interviews.

The damaging picture painted by Portuguese newspapers emerged as police sought to convince the public prosecutor that they have a strong enough case to charge Mrs McCann over the murder or accidental death of her daughter.

The McCanns have repeatedly insisted they are loving parents who had nothing to do with Madeleine‘s disappearance. They are convinced police are trying to frame them.

But the allegations, strongly denied by the family, risk poisoning public support for the couple and stopping donations to the "Find Madeleine" campaign they set up.

Portugal‘s secrecy laws prevent police from talking about the investigation, but the leaked material appears to contain specific information about interviews conducted with the McCanns last week.

It was claimed that Mrs McCann became "hysterical" at times during her 13 hours of interrogation and refused to reply to some of the questions.

It was alleged that she offered no explanation for why Madeleine‘s DNA appeared to have been found in a car the couple hired 25 days after she vanished.

Nor is she said to have given any satisfactory answer to whether she had slapped her daughter, or whether she sedated the children.



http://www.pressmon.com/en/a/en/123427/MADELEINE-FULL-DNA-MATCH-OF-MISSING-GIRL-UNDER-CARPET-IN-CAR-BOOT
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Post by Verdi on 27.11.15 20:41

dhpaul wrote:You can join the dots
I can join the dots
Lots of people can join the dots

The question is can SY join the dots?
Does it want to?
By all intents and purposes, Operation Grange has by-passed the issue of dog alerts and forensic evidence.  Some say they are working covertly towards a prosecution but I say, if they be true, it's taking them a blooming long time to cut to the chase.

How much more information, intelligence and evidence do they need than that contained in the original PJ investigation?

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Post by Verdi on 27.11.15 20:54

hogwash wrote:MADELEINE: FULL DNA MATCH OF MISSING GIRL ‘UNDER CARPET IN CAR BOOT‘

The Daily Mail, 11 September 2007

Police to search church where McCanns prayed Tests suggest Madeleine ‘accidentally poisoned by overdose‘ Bugged phone calls convinced police Madeleine is dead Portuguese newspapers label Kate McCann a ‘violent‘ mother Madeleine: DNA in the McCanns‘ hire care boot is said to be a full match Kate and Gerry McCann face sensational new forensic claims linking them to the alleged killing of their daughter Madeleine.



Police sources in Portugal asserted that a full DNA profile matching the missing four–year–old had been recovered from the boot of the couple‘s hire car.

In addition, it was claimed that blood had been discovered underneath the boot‘s upholstery in the Renault Scenic – which was rented by the couple 25 days after their daughter vanished.

There have been suggestions that the profile could be a hair or a flake of skin – which could have been innocently transferred by the couple at any time.

On their return to Britain on Sunday, Mr McCann reiterated his insistence that they had "nothing" to do with the disappearance of their daughter.

Friends of the couple say they are victims of a campaign by the Portuguese to pressurise them into a confession.

But last night detectives were insisting that blood had been found in the boot.

The claim came on a dramatic day when: The McCanns found themselves under investigation from British police and social services to assess whether their twin son and daughter are at risk.

Portuguese police said they are on the verge of handing over a dossier of evidence to the public prosecutor accusing Mrs McCann of killing her daughter.

New forensic results from British scientists were said to be due in Portugal within days amid claims that toxicology tests suggest Madeleine was accidentally poisoned by some sort of overdose.

Police were preparing to search the church where the McCanns prayed for their daughter‘s safe return.

Portuguese newspapers labelled Kate McCann a violent mother prone to "hysterical reactions".

Claims were made that bugged phone calls between the McCanns and their friends have convinced police their daughter is dead.

Scroll down for more... Gerry and Kate McCann insist they had ‘nothing‘ to do with the disappearance of their daughter Read more...

Hunt for Madeleine‘s body moves to church where McCanns prayed McCanns call in heavyweight lawyers to clear their name Now British police ask if twins are ‘at risk‘ Portuguese picture of ‘hysterical wife‘ Detectives trying to prove that Kate McCann killed her daughter have launched an astonishing smear campaign against her.

They painted the 3'–year–old doctor as a violent mother prone to "hysterical reactions" and losing control.

The allegations were leaked to Portuguese newspapers hours after Mrs McCann and her husband Gerry left the country under a cloud of suspicion about the disappearance of four–year–old Madeleine.

Quoting police sources, the papers alleged that Mrs McCann became "visibly out of control" under questioning by police, and that witnesses had described her as "violent" and "aggressive" towards her children.

It was claimed that she routinely put Madeleine and the two–year–old twins to bed in the family‘s holiday apartment "while Gerry played tennis and lay by the pool".

The reports also quoted witnesses who have given statements to police. Pamela Fenn, who was in an apartment above the family on May 3 – the night Madeleine disappeared – is quoted as saying she believed Mrs McCann sometimes became violent and "out of control" in the room below.

She claimed that "the little girl‘s screams calling for her daddy were very audible".

Another witness is quoted as saying that Mrs McCann "seemed to have moments of aggressiveness towards her children" and that her husband, "though more absent, had more emotional control".

Mrs McCann is said to have strongly denied both these allegations in police interviews.

The damaging picture painted by Portuguese newspapers emerged as police sought to convince the public prosecutor that they have a strong enough case to charge Mrs McCann over the murder or accidental death of her daughter.

The McCanns have repeatedly insisted they are loving parents who had nothing to do with Madeleine‘s disappearance. They are convinced police are trying to frame them.

But the allegations, strongly denied by the family, risk poisoning public support for the couple and stopping donations to the "Find Madeleine" campaign they set up.

Portugal‘s secrecy laws prevent police from talking about the investigation, but the leaked material appears to contain specific information about interviews conducted with the McCanns last week.

It was claimed that Mrs McCann became "hysterical" at times during her 13 hours of interrogation and refused to reply to some of the questions.

It was alleged that she offered no explanation for why Madeleine‘s DNA appeared to have been found in a car the couple hired 25 days after she vanished.

Nor is she said to have given any satisfactory answer to whether she had slapped her daughter, or whether she sedated the children.



http://www.pressmon.com/a/en/123427/MADELEINE-FULL-DNA-MATCH-OF-MISSING-GIRL-UNDER-CARPET-IN-CAR-BOOT
Innocent till proven guilty?  Why then did they flee Portugal - why didn't they stick around and assist the investigation, isn't the welfare of your own three year old daughter more important than anything else?  IF totally innocent, would you worry about the local police trying to 'stitch you up' when you little child is missing?

Timing is a bit coincidental isn't it?  Bad news originating from forensic analysis - McCann family do a runner back to Blighty - not so bad, or at least inconclusive, forensic reports.  I smell something rotten.

Hogwash!

NB:  Another example of the negative UK press reportage.

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Post by sammi1967 on 28.11.15 10:04

I've never read that article from the Daily Mail before. It's been a long time since I read through the PJ police files but I don't recall ever reading any statements by a witness that accused KM of being violent or aggressive towards her children. Interesting. Neither had I heard that she had lost control during the police questioning. Is there some more information available on this somewhere?

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Post by worriedmum on 28.11.15 18:39

sammi1967 wrote:I've never read that article from the Daily Mail before. It's been a long time since I read through the PJ police files but I don't recall ever reading any statements by a witness that accused KM of being violent or aggressive towards her children. Interesting. Neither had I heard that she had lost control during the police questioning. Is there some more information available on this somewhere?

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Post by hogwash on 28.11.15 18:49

Didn't she also say she broke a bed? That would take some doing.

She's obviously got a temper.





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Post by sammi1967 on 28.11.15 19:25

Yes but these are things that KM said she did. The article is referring to witnesses who have stated that she was violent and aggressive.  I was wondering if there was any info on who they may be as I don't remember ever reading anything like that from a witness.

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Post by hogwash on 28.11.15 19:28

Her temper might also explain the blood in the apartment that was subsequently transferred to the hire car.

I still don't understand the hair without roots that was found in the boot of the car. Why would they cut her hair?
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Post by Verdi on 12.06.16 10:06

Thanks to @NickE over yonder for posting up this old Daily Mail report, I've discovered something of great interest to me.  In the past I've been shot down (not here) for drawing attention to Sir Alec Jeffreys, the great pioneer of DNA fingerprinting, who just happens to be based at Leicester University, the same location that houses Dr. Gerald McCann - early days in his illustrious career, Sir Alec even spent time in Amsterdam but that's no doubt only coincidence.

Taking into consideration the somewhat dubious results of forensic testing undertaken by the UK's renowned now defunct FSS and the claim made by McCann representatives about an independent forensic examination of the Renault Scenic hired car, held in storage by a source close to the McCanns, I have wondered if the influence of Sir Alec Jeffreys was called upon at some stage.  I don't believe for a second that he doesn't know Dr McCann.

Examination of the car, I recall reading, was to be carried out by an accredited forensic science laboratory sanctioned by the Home Office (only going on memory so that could be rumour) - lo and behold, as a result of NickE's post about Pamela Fenn, I came across this which I don't think I've seen before..

The inventor of DNA fingerprinting has offered to act as an expert witness in the Madeleine McCann case.


It has been reported that DNA evidence with a 100% match to Madeleine was found in the car, but this has been played down by Portuguese police.


In an exclusive interview with the BBC's Newsnight programme, Sir Alec said there could be a potential problem in assigning a profile to Madeleine given that all other members of her family would have been in the car.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6992372.stm

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why would they cut her hair??

Post by justabout on 12.06.16 11:26

in reply to hogwash,why would they cut her hair??maybe to make her look like a little boy??confusion is good?and /or trying to remove evidence of sedation,maybe?just throwing it out there.mods please move if I,ve posted on wrong thread,very rarely post as you know but always reading and this thought has been brewing for a long time as a possible way they,ve got away with it,so to speak.

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Re: John Lowe tells us there was a MATCH to Maddie in the car & more about DNA & FORENSICS

Post by pennylane on 13.06.16 8:15

hogwash wrote:Her temper might also explain the blood in the apartment that was subsequently transferred to the hire car.

I still don't understand the hair without roots that was found in the boot of the car. Why would they cut her hair?
I would take that with a large dose of skepticism as it was a claim made be the now defunct Birmingham FSS who did the jawdropping U-turn, and managed to (ahem) destroy all the hairs during the testing. I am suspicious that not only did some hairs have roots, but they showed evidence of sedation, and perhaps also that they came from a dead body.  (jmo).

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Post by aquila on 13.06.16 8:28

Has it ever been clearly stated by anyone in authority that there is specific DNA for Madeleine McCann?

There were two 'sightings' in different parts of New Zealand where the same child was reported on two separate occasions and proved not to be Madeleine.

There was the disappearance of Riley Ann Sawyers in USA where US police allegedly sought the DNA of Madeleine McCann - why the US police could possibly think it was Madeleine, is quite astounding imo for all manner of common sense reasons.
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Post by Roxyroo on 13.06.16 18:36

aquila wrote:Has it ever been clearly stated by anyone in authority that there is specific DNA for Madeleine McCann?

There were two 'sightings' in different parts of New Zealand where the same child was reported on two separate occasions and proved not to be Madeleine.

There was the disappearance of Riley Ann Sawyers in USA where US police allegedly sought the DNA of Madeleine McCann - why the US police could possibly think it was Madeleine, is quite astounding imo for all manner of common sense reasons.
I've thought this before too, how on earth do they expect to identify anyone as her, if by some miracle she was ever found. Is there any DNA specific to her AT ALL?
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Post by worriedmum on 13.06.16 20:01

Roxyroo wrote:
aquila wrote:Has it ever been clearly stated by anyone in authority that there is specific DNA for Madeleine McCann?

There were two 'sightings' in different parts of New Zealand where the same child was reported on two separate occasions and proved not to be Madeleine.

There was the disappearance of Riley Ann Sawyers in USA where US police allegedly sought the DNA of Madeleine McCann - why the US police could possibly think it was Madeleine, is quite astounding imo for all manner of common sense reasons.
I've thought this before too, how on earth do they expect to identify anyone as her, if by some miracle she was ever found. Is there any DNA specific to her AT ALL?
It's okay, she's got a distinctive fleck in her eye...hasn't she?
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Post by Verdi on 13.06.16 21:51

aquila wrote:Has it ever been clearly stated by anyone in authority that there is specific DNA for Madeleine McCann?

There were two 'sightings' in different parts of New Zealand where the same child was reported on two separate occasions and proved not to be Madeleine.

There was the disappearance of Riley Ann Sawyers in USA where US police allegedly sought the DNA of Madeleine McCann - why the US police could possibly think it was Madeleine, is quite astounding imo for all manner of common sense reasons.
If you refer to forensic samples harvested from the crime scene in the early stages of the official criminal investigation by the PJ - then NO!

If you refer to a profile of Madeleine's DNA - then according to John Lowe's report YES!  Apparently from a pillow case collected by someone by some means from the McCanns Rothley family home and a blood spot in a cardboard frame collected from who knows where.

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