Re: [Petition closed, with 3,111 signatures] MADELEINE MCCANN PETITION ON PM's WEBSITE CALLING FOR A FULL REPORT FROM OPERATION GRANGE

by Guest 23.10.15 12:18

Juulcy wrote:I supposed you have to be British (or live in Britain) to sign?

Theoretically yes winkwink

!

by Guest 23.10.15 12:25

sonic72 wrote:
Verdi wrote:
sonic72 wrote:As much as it pains me to say it, this probably wont reach the 100,000 required, petitions rarely do because most people are too lazy to take a minute to sign it. They know this, hence the 100,000 limit, it's a deliberate obstacle.

I will sign it and wish you all the luck in reaching 100k, I hope this petition proves my theory wrong.
I'm sure the McCanns and their extensive support network will be signing, once they are acquainted with it's existence - HOLA Michael, the Wright man! It's in their interest to know how Operation Grange has progressed over the past 4+ years - isn't it?
I like your thinking! It might make them look bad for not getting behind it, but they'll always have some excuse like OG informs the Mccanns directly or something along those lines. Either way the public deserves to know what is happening, it's our taxes that are invested in this operation.

Hopefully DCI Wall might be more vocal soon, not heard a peep in a long time, unless she is staying silent because she's getting on with doing a proper job of investigating the real culprits.

Updates - May 2015

"We are also buoyed and reassured by the unwavering commitment and continued progress being made in the investigation. We are really grateful to the Metropolitan Police team for their conscientiousness, patience, consideration shown to us and above all, their will to find Madeleine and determine what has happened..."

Kate and Gerry (the official find madeleine site)

Well, there's a whole world out there that would also like to be reassured - here's your chance folks..

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562

ETA: DCI 'I nick 'em before they realise they've been nicked' Wall? Don't hold your breath - promises and pie crusts..

by Guest 23.10.15 12:44

A message to all those people out there who claim to seek justice in the name of Madeleine McCann - don't be deluded nor distracted by a touch of irony or clouded by pursuance of personal vendettas. Get your act together and sign here..

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562

The true purpose of this petition does not, I repeat loud DOES NOT, interfere with any ongoing investigation, to profess so shows unparelled ignorance and bias towards injustice, which defeats the endeavours os so many over the past eight + years to find the truth about MBM's disappearance.

So, fingers on the button for a starter of ten..

thumbsup

by **Tony Bennett** 23.10.15 13:00

Verdi wrote:A message to all those people out there who claim to seek justice in the name of Madeleine McCann - don't be deluded nor distracted by a touch of irony or clouded by pursuance of personal vendettas. Get your act together and sign here...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562

The true purpose of this petition does not, I repeat loud DOES NOT, interfere with any ongoing investigation...So, fingers on the button for a starter of ten..

Thank you all. The number of signers a few moments ago reached:

602

...placing it, already, after barely 24 hours, 290th amongst the 2,380 current petitions on the Prime Minister's website.

I have been asked questions about the purpose of the petition.

Many of you will have noted that the supporting statement to my petition includes these words:

The report should cover the role of the government, the security services and UK police forces.

One of my aims in launching this petition is certainly to draw people's attention to the role of the government and various security services, such as Special Branch, CEOP, the government-funded Control Risks Group and MI5 in this case from Day One.

To sign, please click here.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562

You are required to give you name and e-mail address, but these are not published

by Gaggzy 23.10.15 13:08

Verdi wrote:Well done that man!

The cynic in me tells that it will never happen, it will however be very interesting to see how they get out of it. What clause of what law can they hide behind, what by-law or government code of practice or guideline, or what human rights violation, what traffic offence?

Short of that, should they feel compelled to respond, I foresee some vague account of income and expenditure, summarized into administration costs, campaign costs, telecom payments, website management, clothing allowance, travel expenses - in fact rather like the Find Madeleine Fund!

I envisage the following :

Expenditure of Operation Grange

Sundries = £12 million quid.

Right, I'm off to sign the petition.

by Gaggzy 23.10.15 13:13

My signature has just rolled it on to 606.

by Guest 23.10.15 15:48

For all those reluctant souls who feel reticent about doing something positive, see here..

Asked by Lord Black of Brentwood - 8th September 2015

Home Office - Madeleine McCann

To ask Her Majesty’s Government what has been the cost to date of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, Operation Grange; what provision has been made for funding the operation in the future; and what criteria they are using to judge how long funding should continue.

Answered by Lord Bates - 16th September 2015

The total cost of the investigation, into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann (Operation Grange), up until end of June 2015, is £10.1m. The Home Office has budgeted £2m for the investigation in 2015/16.

The Home Office funds this work from the Special Grant budget. The level of funding provided to the Metropolitan Police in relation to this investigation is reviewed regularly and will continue to be monitored.
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Asked by Lord Black of Bentwood - 20th October 2015

Home Office - Madeleine McCann

To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Bates on 16 September (HL2087), whether they have established success criteria for the budgeted spend of £2 million for Operation Grange in 2015–16.

Asked by Lord Black of Brentwood - 20th October 2015

Home Office - Missing Persons: Children

To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Bates on 16 September (HL2087), whether they have any plans to spend an amount equivalent to the spending on Operation Grange in 2015–16 on the search for Ben Needham, or other missing children; and if not, why not.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-questions-answers/?page=1&max=20&questiontype=AllQuestions&house=lords&member=4171&keywords=grange

(NOTE: The Home Office has budgeted 2 million quid for the investigation in 2015/2016)
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As the saying goes - if it's good enough for Nelson then it's good enough for me! Or was that a song? So all you laid back adversaries grab the opportunity to make a difference, this doesn't cost anything but a minute of time which after eight years is nothing, do the right thing - you know it makes sense.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562

by whatsupdoc 23.10.15 16:21

I've just signed and it's up to 629.

by Stuey-Brown 23.10.15 16:36

Verdi wrote:For all those reluctant souls who feel reticent about doing something positive, see here..

Asked by Lord Black of Brentwood - 8th September 2015

Home Office - Madeleine McCann

To ask Her Majesty’s Government what has been the cost to date of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, Operation Grange; what provision has been made for funding the operation in the future; and what criteria they are using to judge how long funding should continue.

Answered by Lord Bates - 16th September 2015

The total cost of the investigation, into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann (Operation Grange), up until end of June 2015, is £10.1m. The Home Office has budgeted £2m for the investigation in 2015/16.

The Home Office funds this work from the Special Grant budget. The level of funding provided to the Metropolitan Police in relation to this investigation is reviewed regularly and will continue to be monitored.
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Asked by Lord Black of Bentwood - 20th October 2015

Home Office - Madeleine McCann

To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Bates on 16 September (HL2087), whether they have established success criteria for the budgeted spend of £2 million for Operation Grange in 2015–16.

Asked by Lord Black of Brentwood - 20th October 2015

Home Office - Missing Persons: Children

To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Bates on 16 September (HL2087), whether they have any plans to spend an amount equivalent to the spending on Operation Grange in 2015–16 on the search for Ben Needham, or other missing children; and if not, why not.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-questions-answers/?page=1&max=20&questiontype=AllQuestions&house=lords&member=4171&keywords=grange

(NOTE: The Home Office has budgeted 2 million quid for the investigation in 2015/2016)
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As the saying goes - if it's good enough for Nelson then it's good enough for me! Or was that a song? So all you laid back adversaries grab the opportunity to make a difference, this doesn't cost anything but a minute of time which after eight years is nothing, do the right thing - you know it makes sense.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562

Excellent work Tony.

Signed up myself as saw it mentioned on twitter.

Keep up the splendid work. Im a newbie but find this forum fascinating.

by Stuey-Brown 23.10.15 16:59

Sorry that was in a reply to verdi and not mr bennett.

Trying to find my way round. So much info it gets confusing.

by Guest 23.10.15 19:51

Stuey-Brown wrote:Sorry that was in a reply to verdi and not mr bennett.

Trying to find my way round. So much info it gets confusing.

You were right first time Stuey-Brown - this is all the work of Tony Bennett! I'm just infuriated because people are shrugging it aside for all the wrong reasons, not because they object to the idea in principle but because they strongly object to the person who has initiated the petition. How juvenile (and transparent) can you get, I wonder what their reaction might have been had it been one of their minority group who kick started it.

The prevailing wind (pardon the expression) appears to be that this petition is interfering with a criminal investigation - does it then follow that Lord Black of Brentwood is interfering with a live criminal investigation by raising questions in the House of Lords? I doubt it!

by **Tony Bennett** 23.10.15 20:08

Verdi wrote:
Stuey-Brown wrote:Sorry that was in a reply to verdi and not mr bennett.

Trying to find my way round. So much info it gets confusing.
You were right first time Stuey-Brown - this is all the work of Tony Bennett!

Stuey-Brown was a rogue invader from another forum, once again trying to divert us from our work here. But thank you for your comments anyway. Stuey-Brown outstayed his short-lived welcome, so is no longer with us, but if his history over the past two years is anything to go by, he will shortly by using yet another internet proxy e-mail address and registering under his nth username, in order to cause us more grief if he can

by Guest 23.10.15 20:40

Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Stuey-Brown wrote:Sorry that was in a reply to verdi and not mr bennett.

Trying to find my way round. So much info it gets confusing.
You were right first time Stuey-Brown - this is all the work of Tony Bennett!
Stuey-Brown was a rogue invader from another forum, once again trying to divert us from our work here. But thank you for your comments anyway. Stuey-Brown outstayed his short-lived welcome, so is no longer with us, but if his history over the past two years is anything to go by, he will shortly by using yet another internet proxy e-mail address and registering under his nth username, in order to cause us more grief if he can

Ah ha! So a sort of sticky brown - I thought the style of writing appeared a bit peculiar. Still, at least my reply won't be wasted, for sure it will be repeated for the benefit of other brownies (in case they've missed it). I wouldn't normally reply to such a nondescript post but I can't take the credit for someone else's good work.

It's as well you guys can instantly recognize interlopers before they do too much damage.

by **Tony Bennett** 23.10.15 22:51

Tonight:

660 signatures

currently 279th most-supported petition out of 2,403 on the PM's website

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562

by maebee 24.10.15 0:43

Signed (and I've just become a British citizen :))

by **Tony Bennett** 24.10.15 8:29

maebee wrote:Signed (and I've just become a British citizen :))

Thanks!

Not sure if you've gone through the proper procedures? >>>>

Wikipedia

Access to British citizenship for Irish citizens

As a result of the above, there is generally no special access to British citizenship for Irish citizens. The facility for those born before 1949 to claim British subject status does not confer British citizenship, although it gives an entitlement to registration as such after five years in the UK.
Irish citizens seeking to become British citizens are usually required to live in the UK and become naturalised after meeting the normal residence and other requirements, unless they can claim British citizenship by descent from a UK born or naturalised parent. An Irish citizen who naturalises as a British citizen does not automatically lose Irish citizenship.
Naturalisation as a British citizen is a discretionary power of the Secretary of State for the Home Department but will generally not be refused if the requirements are met.

Petition update: 681 signatures

by MrsC 24.10.15 8:52

Signed (with great pleasure). thumbsup

by sammyc 24.10.15 11:48

I signed about an hour ago to make it 688, just checked now and it's 693.

Best wishes and keep up with the good work Tony and the unsung heroes at CMoMM. thumbsup

by **Tony Bennett** 24.10.15 18:31

sammyc wrote:I signed about an hour ago to make it 688, just checked now and it's 693. Best wishes and keep up with the good work Tony and the unsung heroes at CMoMM.

The signatures now top 700 and stand at 703.

That places it 279th out of 2,403 petitions on the PM's website, after just over 2 days.

But now the hard work begins, after the initial surge of signatures.

I've noted that those backing the petition are those who are either sure that Operation Grange is some sort of cover-up, or people who at least entertain doubts about the disproportionate cost and the lack of results. We all know there are tens of thousands out there who share these views.

But how to reach them, without the help of the mass media?

It has to be done by 'word of mouth', for example;

* speaking to or emailing our close relatives and friends prompting them to sign
* e-mailing our contacts who might be sympathetic to the petition aims
* repetition on FB groups and Twitter and other social media, especially whenever Madeleine is in the news
* carry a note of the link in your purse or wallet to give to people you meet and get talking to.

We can get the numbers signing this petition a long way above where we are now, but it will require some effort on our behalf.

The nay-sayers who do not support the petition seem to be mostly folk who are wholly convinced that Grange is a sincere and honest attempt to get to the truth, despite the remit, despite the plethora of absurd suspects and 'persons of interest', and despite the obvious lack of results after 4 years and 5 months, and over 2 years after the BBC Crimewatch McCann Special. And there aren't many who still think that way.

Here's the link again, please do what you can to actively promote it:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562

by trotter1 24.10.15 18:52

704 now with mine ( plus I've posted the link to my followers on twitter )

by **Tony Bennett** 24.10.15 19:00

trotter1 wrote:704 now with mine ( plus I've posted the link to my followers on twitter )

Excellent. thumbup

Actions like this will keep news of the petition flowing around the nation

by notlongnow 24.10.15 19:43

Would there be any chance of there being a condensed, bitesize bullet points of the facts that people could copy and paste on there facebook timelines?

by **Tony Bennett** 24.10.15 19:51

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:MYTH

TRUTH

Hardly anybody reads this form, says JillyCL.

But......over 400 hundred people online tonight

454 signatures today.

Not a bad start.

Six months to go.....

One thing the screenshots make abundantly clear is that when JillyCL said that hardly anyone reads CMOMM, she deliberately lied.

At any one time, there are usually 200 people online here, and as the forum-owner's stats counter proves, over 20,000 come here to view every day.

This forum is not perfect. But it is seen as a valuable resource on matters relating to Madeleine, along with mccannfiles, pamalam's site and many others.

So some questions must be asked of JillyCL. Like:

1. Why did she deliberately lie about CMOMM?

2. Why did she publicly call this forum a 'cesspit'?

3. Why does she routinely 'bad mouth' CMOMM on Twitter? - also...

4. What was her real role, along with Isabelle McFabulous/QUEENdePORTUGAL, in the still unsolved 'Soustergate' affair?

5. Exactly how long had she and Isabelle McFabulous known Mark Souster? - in JillyCL's case it was at least one year

6. Why does she defend Robert Murat to the hilt and paint him whiter than white, when it is obvious at the very least that all is not right about his involvement in the case after 1st May?

7. Why does she not allow any criticism of Murat on 'Maddie Case Files', where she is part of the Admin Team?

8. Why did she take part, so it's reported, in excluding Joana Morais from Maddie Case Files?

and perhaps the most important two questions of all about JillyCL are these two...

9. Who exactly is she? - and

10. Who is she really working for?

by **Tony Bennett** 24.10.15 19:52

notlongnow wrote:Would there be any chance of there being a condensed, bitesize bullet points of the facts that people could copy and paste on there facebook timelines?

Do you mean a few bullet points about why there are major queries about Operation Grange?

If yes, I feel sure that we could knock up something suitable

by notlongnow 24.10.15 20:16

Yes,that would be good.

by aiyoyo 25.10.15 0:22

Personally I think this petition is premature since Grange has yet to conclude the investigation.

That said, now is as good as later, to let the PM's office know there's a section of public interested to know why they spent money on the Mccann case when no other missing child has received this kind of extraordinary level of help.

There is no harm indicating to the PM's office that the public would want to know what justifies their spending of taxpayers money on this particular case which they have no jurisdiction over as this crime was committed in another jurisdiction.

It's not so much how the money was spent, as one knows, expectedly, they are going to come back ( if petition numbers are reached) with some figures in the vaguest of terms ie breakdown of operating expenses in the vaguest way possible.

Rather it's seeking to be enlightened of their reasons for approving the fund - why the money were spent, on what areas, and what justified the reasons for those areas, as in what caused/contributed to their considered opinions that the fund allocation for this case is justified over and above the rest of similar missing child cases that received disproportionate fund by comparison.

Grange must be closing shop sooner or later (sooner by the sound of it), and until then if they should prove to be wasting resources doing a wild goose chase over nothing, then I believe some ministers will be asking questions in parliament; and if there is also pressure from the public, ministers raising the issue in parliament is given added weight ie in the public interest to know.

As a side note, I hope Grange won't drag this for another few more years by which time Cameron may be out of office. I don't think he would want to stay after this term. He has milked enough money to take early retirement to enjoy his money in luxurious lifestyle. I think he will want to get out of whatever the referendum be on getting out of EU and leave it to someone else to face the mess.

by Copodenieve 25.10.15 12:12

I have signed and encouraged friends and family to sign too. smilie

by Joss 25.10.15 12:38

I would like to sign the petition, but am not in the U.K. nor an ex pat, oh well. I hope there is the amount of sigs necessary for a real enquiry into it all, good luck all of you.

by **Tony Bennett** 25.10.15 23:07

Tony Bennett wrote:
The signatures now top 700 and stand at 703.

That places it 279th out of 2,403 petitions on the PM's website, after just over 2 days.

Tonight: 736 signatures - 270th

by Guest 28.10.15 11:32

Tony Bennett wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
The signatures now top 700 and stand at 703.

That places it 279th out of 2,403 petitions on the PM's website, after just over 2 days.
Tonight: 736 signatures - 270th

762 signatures now . As you predicted Tony, it has stalled a bit. Not being a pessimist but I can't see it reaching the 10,000 mark within the six months. Pity because I am sure most people would love to know how our taxpayers' money has been spent over the years on OG and what results, if any, they have achieved.