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Cristobell interview with Sonia Poulton - TRANSCRIPT

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Cristobell interview with Sonia Poulton - TRANSCRIPT

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 14.10.15 14:06

Here is the full transcript of Sonia Poulton's interview with Rosalinda Hutton = Cristobell.


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SONIA POULTON Welcome back. I apologise for the brief break in transmission. Now, the Madeleine McCann investigation continues to enthral people globally and I'm constantly amazed by the sheer volume of people who express various interest into the disappearance of the British child. I'm joined today by Rosalinda Hutter (sic), an author and respected voice on the case of Madeleine McCann.

SONIA POULTON Hello Rosalinda, are you there?

ROSALINDA HUTTON Hello Sonia. Good evening.

SONIA POULTON Thank you for joining me. Now I do avidly read your blog. (RH Oh, I see?) I do, I do because I, in common with many millions of people around the world I am eternally fascinated about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. I'm equally fascinated about the fact that we don't talk about all the many hundreds of thousands of other children that have gone missing. But I feel that this is a sort of hinge case. Its a very interesting one so please, for the benefit of our viewers, share with us, you know, your take on the situation.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, it, it, it is indeed a very, very intriguing case. Erm, I, I became, became drawn to it when the news first broke back in May 2007. And, erm there were so many things that didn't ring true. Er, er, and, I, I'm an inquisitive sort of person. So I, I got online and I looked up, erm, you know, the difference, for example, between the Tapas and the, and the apartment and none of them seemed to tally.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Er, er, I also found that, erm, what we were reading in our own mainstream newspapers wasn't tallying with what I was reading online.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, this, this, led me to sort of dig a little bit deeper and er, you know, it, it really is a sort of rabbit hole once you start digging.

SONIA POULTON Indeed.

ROSALINDA HUTTON And it, it, is er, a puzzling case.

SONIA POULTON I mean my first take was as you say what we were reading in sort of mainstream media and what we were discovering weren't tallying. You know and sort of the comments that, obviously Gerry McCann was making such as its no different than dining in your garden and then you look at the distance and you go, "OK, it might not be any difference than dining in your garden if you happen to live in a mansion. Erm, because it is, it was obviously a considerable distance. So how did your, you know, obviously I mean I started out from the get go and I was a, I was highly questioning what I was reading because I, just like you my gut and my just common sense were not adding up. They weren't correlating on it. So how did you then progress further from that?

ROSALINDA HUTTON Well, it, it was a very strange situation. Erm I, I found that, that, you know, I asked questions. Erm, you know, I, I then came under the most vicious attacks online, many of which are continuing as we speak by the way. Erm...

SONIA POULTON Indeed, I see them.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Simply for inquiring. Sorry, I interrupted you.

SONIA POULTON No, no, you were talking about the vicious attacks on, on line. I mean I see them and er, you know, it really... I find it quite interesting and something that you and I have talked about before and that is that the moment that you question the official story you are somehow deemed a wicked person.

ROSALINDA HUTTON It’s quite bizarre.

SONIA POULTON It is quite bizarre because, because the way I understand it is what you want is justice for Madeleine. So I'm not quite sure how that can make you or anybody else who questions the official story a wicked person. So what sort of stuff have you been on the receiving end of in terms of that? Because people talk obviously about smear campaigns, about shills, you know, paid people who are p... and we don't know if this is absolutely true but I have to say some of the people who come after me when I go I question the official story. I have to say they, you know, they, they're so earnest in their fighting that you have to wonder whether they're salaried.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Its, it is, it is very, very strange. You know its almost as if they're quite prepared to say that black is white or, or vice versa...

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON ... and, and defend it to the end. Erm, I, I can't, I, you know, I, I can't explain their their motives. Erm, I, I suspect that possibly they are paid shills as they're known online.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, but, er, you know the, the campaign has been nasty from the get go.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Which is, erm, which again adds to the mystery because, you know, you wonder why do they need to be so vicious...

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON ... erm, against people who are merely asking questions. That, and, you know, lets face it there are a lot of unanswered questions.

SONIA POULTON Tell me some of your unanswered questions.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Well, it, it, its something, that you know, that I started delving into and erm, and so, so many things didn't make sense. Erm, that, you know, I, I'm going to be called cruel for concentrating on the par... parents' behaviour but it, it really is quite odd, erm. I studied psychology for, for more years than I care to remember, erm and er, nothing sort of adds up. It, it, it just... I. I actually, you know, it, it was as if the nation was divided. It was as if you have have the sort of, you know, how dare you, you know, how cruel of you to pick on these poor grieving parents.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON And, erm, you know, you had this ferocious defence around them which sort of makes, you know, sort of gave birth really to the myth of the hater...

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, which, which is a complete myth, you know, the people that I discuss the case with online, on the Jill Havern forum, for example or the Facebook groups erm, you know, that sort of behaviour simply isn't tolerated. Not, not by anyone. Not by myself, not by the admin.

SONIA POULTON No, I mean, I have to say my experience of people who are just questioning the official version is not that they’re awful people. They’re just questioning the official version. And there’s this idea that if you don’t accept what Crimewatch are trotting out or what the mainstream media are telling us then there is something wrong with you and you’re a bad person and you hate this child ( RH laughing) and you don’t want her to be safe and all of that is an absolute nonsense. And I find it, I find it quite reprehensible really because I think what it does is, it, it murkies the water doesn’t it, you know, when we’re all really just looking for the truth on this? So, I mean, you know, in terms I do have my own questions, you know, and I know that you’ve really delved into this in quite some detail. For example, the, the one question that many people say to me is why if you’re searching for your child, why didn’t Kate McCann, for example, answer all the questions put to her by the Portuguese Police? Is that an issue that you’ve questioned yourself?

ROSALINDA HUTTON Well, I, I think it’s an issue that, that everyone must question. You know, it, it’s got to ring alarm bells. Erm, you know, I, I don’t know the motivation behind it. She was advised by her lawyer not to, not to answer the questions. Erm, but as the mother of the lost child, erm, I thought that, that should actually overrule what the lawyer says. You know, you see its imperative to find the child. You know, even, even, if you are locked within a cell, you know, you are still there with the police and cooperating.

SONIA POULTON Yes, I’ll tell you what I always found quite interesting and that is, the parents of a missing child set up a fighting fund to find her which even one of the closest people, Brian Kennedy, in the early days said that it, it was, it would be used for legal fees and I. I tried to get my head round that ‘cos it’s like why would parents of a missing child need to have legal fees? I, you know, so those are the kind of questions that I have about it that don’t quite make sense to me and I’ve never found a good answer to it and Clarence Mitchell, their spokesman, is not supplying me with one, because I’ve now approached him twice (RH laughing), erm, about an interview and please, Clarence, I mean, you know the truth is that we’re the People’s Voice. We are happy to give everybody a voice in this. You know but the thing is Rosalinda you know this and as we’ve already talked and that is as soon as you raise the issue of Madeleine McCann, it’s like, oh be careful because this is a really litigious issue and it, it’s like you can’t discuss it at all. Well that seems outrageous to me and it’s like we’ve been cowed into silence. You know, and, and I know there’s lots of discussion about this issue and obviously within the sort of bounds of law, ‘cos neither you or I want to be sued but what’s your sort of take on this, this sort of silencing of any dissent to the official story?

ROSALINDA HUTTON Well, er, it adds, adds to the pot really, erm,

SONIA POULTON Right

ROSALINDA HUTTON  And makes it all, all the more suspicious.

SONIA POULTON Right

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, I, I believe at one point they had 24 cases on the go.

SONIA POULTON Right

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, of people that they were suing or threatening to sue.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, and I, I, you know, you must ask why, why the desperate need to, to bury this information. You know, why not just, erm, challenge what’s been said

SONIA POULTON Right

ROSALINDA HUTTON and say, you know that, that’s wrong and I can prove it?

SONIA POULTON Right

ROSALINDA HUTTON And whatever. You know, just I, I, you know there’s been a real lack of honesty surrounding the case.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, and I think that’s what, that’s what bugged people, buggs people. But there was something that I did want to say, actually Sonia…

SONIA POULTON Yes?

ROSALINDA HUTTON And that is that that, erm, there’s a sort of, there’s a, there’s a distaste about discussing the case…

SONIA POULTON Yes.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, Its almost, you know, its taboo.

SONIA POULTON Yes.

ROSALINDA HUTTON And, erm, you know it’s, as I said before, it’s almost as if you’ve got fifty percent of the population who say “Oh my God how could you think that?” and then, then you’ve got the other half who are sort of, you know “Oh I thought that too.”

SONIA POULTON Yes.

ROSALINDA HUTTON But it’s something that you dare not say out loud.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Because, erm, you know, the, the McCanns have adopted the mantle of victim.

SONIA POULTON Yes, just…

ROSALINDA HUTTON And to, to be seen to be saying anything that might criticise their behaviour…

SONIA POULTON Sure…

ROSALINDA HUTTON Or their refusal to cooperate with the PJ…

SONIA POULTON Yes.

ROSALINDA HUTTON For example, is, is, is seen as, as abusive and its, its seen as, erm, hate. Erm, when of course, you know, its, it’s a perfectly reasonable question.

SONIA POULTON They are perfectly reasonable questions. There’s a couple of things I want to address with you including what’s going on in Lisbon at the moment but I, I mean I see often these hate tweets that are directed at you because…

ROSALINDA HUTTON Oh dear. Laughing.

SONIA POULTON they include me in them as well.

ROSALINDA HUTTON (Laughing)

SONIA POULTON And I go, Oh that’s very nice and they’re like “You’re going to go on and tell your rubbish now to SONIA POULTON are you?” And its like, you know, allow me some intelligence, you know, that I can make up my own mind (RH lauging) about whether I’m being told rubbish or not. Like you I just think we can afford as adults, as intelligent adults to actually have a debate without it being a Crimewatch PR number that, that’s done on all of us because if that was interviewing then I, you know, I’m, I’m lost on it really. But how does it affect you? Does it affect you being vilified for, for wanting to raise questions in terms of this?

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, well to, to a certain, to a certain extent. Erm, because, you know, they, they, they attack my personal life and they attack, erm, a book that I wrote, Cry and Cry Alone, and erm, you know, I’m accused of being a liar…

SONIA POULTON Yes.

ROSALINDA HUTTON…I’m accused of making up this…

SONIA POULTON Yes.

ROSALINDA HUTTON…and accused of making up that. Well, you know, which is all absolute rubbish.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON You know I could disprove what they say a hundred times over…

SONIA POULTON Yes.

ROSALINDA HUTTON But it’s like banging your head against a brick wall. You know, they, they’ve made up their minds, you know, I, I am this, this witch and I, I think you’ll be surprised but one of the recent things that I stumbled on, on one of the, er, I call them hate sites…

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON… because they do in fact have a hate list…

SONIA POULTON Yes...

ROSALINDA HUTTON… of, of people who have spoken out about ..

SONIA POULTON Sure.

ROSALINDA HUTTON… the McCanns

SONIA POULTON Yeah.

[sze="18"]ROSALINDA HUTTON And, erm, you know, its, it’s a bit like McCarthy in that, you know, if you’re on that list you’re blacklisted.[/size]

SONIA POULTON Yeah, there’s a witch hunt going on isn’t there. I totally agree. Now look just before you go, can you update us at all about what’s going on in Lisbon? Just obviously for the benefit of viewers who may not know can you just sort of fill them in briefly about what is taking place?

ROSALINDA HUTTON I can indeed. Erm, the trial in Lisbon is actually, you know, it’s a long drawn out case. I think it started about four years ago. We’ve now reached the stage where the trial is going on…

SONIA POULTON And the trial is between whom?

ROSALINDA HUTTON The, the trial is between the McCanns are claiming damages for erm, for suffering, for, for depression, stress etc. And the claim is against Goncalo Amaral, the, er, the coordinating detective from the PJ investigation.

SONIA POULTON Right. Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON He, he wrote a book shortly after the, erm, after the case was shelved.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON And the McCanns actually took him to court for libel. The book was banned.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, then after a series of appeals, erm, the case went to the Supreme Court where the ban was overturned so that the book is now on sale.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, I’m not an expert on Portuguese law but it, it seems strange to me that one court has ruled, erm, you know, its not libellous. But the trial that’s going on at Lisbon at the moment is about money.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON They’re claiming damages. They’re claiming, erm, that Goncalo Amaral’s book, erm, it, it wrecked the search…

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON That is stopped people…

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON .. in Portugal…

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON From looking for Madeleine. And it basically turned people against them. So…

SONIA POULTON Right. So its ongoing? It’s protracted.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Its protracted.

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON But we’re very near the end. The final day of trial is on the 7th of January which is…

SONIA POULTON Oooohh, would you, would you come back prior to that and after that and, and just kind of update us on that because we are actually running out of time this evening. We’ve had so many wonderful guests on including yourself and I welcome an alternative voice on this, Rosalinda, to be honest with you, you know and everybody is welcome to ring in and, and have their piece on this situation. This is not a witch hunt against the McCanns. Indeed the only thing that we are hunting is where is Madeleine McCann. So, ROSALINDA HUTTON , author for now thank you so much for joining me on Skype. And I hope you’ll come back and join me and, and, and update us more. Would you do that?

ROSALINDA HUTTON I will indeed.
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Re: Cristobell interview with Sonia Poulton - TRANSCRIPT

Post by Tony Bennett on 14.10.15 14:29

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ROSALINDA HUTTON And, erm, you know, you had this ferocious defence around them which sort of makes, you know, sort of gave birth really to the myth of the hater...

SONIA POULTON Right.

ROSALINDA HUTTON Erm, which, which is a complete myth, you know, the people that I discuss the case with online, on the Jill Havern forum, for example or the Facebook groups erm, you know, that sort of behaviour simply isn't tolerated. Not, not by anyone. Not by myself, not by the admin.

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Post by aquila on 14.10.15 14:44

It's also worth remembering that Cristobell boasted that Martin Grime would be making an appearance on TPV. When she was challenged on this point (I mean, who in their right mind would think Martin Grime would appear on TPV) she was at best evasive and at worst abusive. Candyfloss and those now over the road supported her though and those who kept asking the question were 'nasty'. Eventually, Hutton said she had received the information by DM from Twitter.

What a load of nonsense. Still, they are now in hope of a Poulton documentary to be aired on the say so of something written in a Hutton blog today.

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Post by aiyoyo on 15.10.15 15:22

@aquila wrote:It's also worth remembering that Cristobell boasted that Martin Grime would be making an appearance on TPV. When she was challenged on this point (I mean, who in their right mind would think Martin Grime would appear on TPV) she was at best evasive and at worst abusive. Candyfloss and those now over the road supported her though and those who kept asking the question were 'nasty'. Eventually, Hutton said she had received the information by DM from Twitter.

What a load of nonsense. Still, they are now in hope of a Poulton documentary to be aired on the say so of something written in a Hutton blog today.

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False claim about Martin Grime appearance

False claim about SP's film being commissioned

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Post by comperedna on 15.10.15 15:44

Did anyone learn anything positive or new from that discussion? For me it was one grandstander interviewing another. The one being a bear of little brain and the other having an odd accusatory streak to other truth seekers who do not agree with her on just about everything.

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Post by Verdi on 15.10.15 20:20

@comperedna wrote:Did anyone learn anything positive or new from that discussion? For me it was one grandstander interviewing another. The one being a bear of little brain and the other having an odd accusatory streak to other truth seekers who do not agree with her on just about everything.
I'm more intrigued to learn what Ms Hutton was supposed to be talking about.  Despite Poulton's vain attempts to draw her out 'to say the right things' she continued to spew forth words without meaning or relevance.  At the end of the day what did she actually say - not a lot?

I'll give her the benefit of doubt and excuse her inability to adequately participate in a planned interview by putting it down to nerves, maybe she's unaccustomed to public speaking - you wouldn't however think so with her track record of self awareness.

Ms Poulton, a professional 'n all.  You'd think she would know how to put an interviewee at ease..


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Post by The Rooster on 15.10.15 22:20

Whilst I know this won't go down well I really don't see anything wrong with the content of tie interview regarding the case per se.

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Post by ROSA on 16.10.15 3:29

They both seem to have good intentions but its very vague to me.  I  cant derive much hope from this interview that it will take them to undiscovered heights or status just seems very average

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Post by aiyoyo on 16.10.15 14:36

@The Rooster wrote:Whilst I know this won't go down well I really don't see anything wrong with the content of tie interview regarding the case per se.

I tended to be belief they went into it on bona fide basis, but the end product turned out to be amateurish and tacky, done from a bedroom, with content's substance far removed from Madeleine per se.

In retrospect, it becomes obvious the cooperation between the two at the time gives birth to project "trolls", and explains the continued joint cooperation of the two in the making of the "untold" documentary.

Go back and read the transcript again. It's patently clear the content was not about Madeleine per se, but what (interest on) Madeleine's case can do/ and in fact did do to Mcsceptics with case example - toll on interviewee "she, who cannot be named" and her book.   

Interviewee missed the opportunity to mention salient points on the case eg. refusal to answer questions, refusal to do reconstruction, hire of expensive lawyers and expensive PR image management but crappy PIs, lame excuse why they didn't search, discrediting the dogs, etc etc.... Instead she mentioned her credentials - period of psychology study blah blah and trolls taking toll on her and book (sale figure presumably), a (self memoir) book that had nothing to do with Madeleine or interview at hand.

Had she written a book on Madeleine case, then the plugging of the obscure author (which SP made a point to mention at head and tail of interview) would be a different story and relevancy of it etc.  But as it was, her book was nothing to do with Madeleine.

It therefore begs the question if there had been a quid pro quo arrangement between those two - you give me an interview and I plug your case as author and victim of Mctrolls taking toll of you and your book. The liaison/relationship later morphed into joint cooperation on project "trolls", the untold documentary, further propelled by Brenda Leyland's demise being catalyst.  The two have been interchangeably making statements pertaining to the "untold film". The mutual influence of the two on each other (both victims of trolls), and their mutual vested interest to on top of trolls or to get even with trolls using this case is somewhat obvious and transparent.  

Hence people's lack of confidence that the documentary would be a bona fide one on Madeleine per se; and hence the distrust of those two.
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