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Young boy found lying face-down on a beach near Turkish resort of Bodrum was one of at least 12 Syrians who drowned attempting to reach Greece

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Young boy found lying face-down on a beach near Turkish resort of Bodrum was one of at least 12 Syrians who drowned attempting to reach Greece

Post by Jill Havern on 03.09.15 7:01





Shocking images of drowned three year old Syrian boy, Aylan Kurdi, show tragic plight of refugees

Young boy found lying face-down on a beach near Turkish resort of Bodrum was one of at least 12 Syrians who drowned attempting to reach Greece

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/shocking-image-of-drowned-syrian-boy-shows-tragic-plight-of-refugees




http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/602652/migrant-crisis-Europe-United-Nations-EU-David-Cameron-beach-boy-France-Germany-Italy
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Re: Young boy found lying face-down on a beach near Turkish resort of Bodrum was one of at least 12 Syrians who drowned attempting to reach Greece

Post by BlueBag on 03.09.15 7:22

I don't wish to be mean about whatever tragedy befell this boy - it's sad - but this is being used as a "Polar Bear on the melting iceberg" picture to force Britain to take in even more immigrants by appealing to sentiment.

We took in an extra 330,000 people in the first three months of this year and people (like evil Merkel) are screaming we should be doing more.

Think about that.

Britain can't sustain the massive influx of immigrants without disappearing up it's own backside.

Maybe that is the plan.

Sad for the many victims all over the world of all kinds of things but we can't take in the whole of the world and provide food and housing.
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Re Young boy found drowned in sea off Turkish coast

Post by willowthewisp on 03.09.15 9:10

Hi Bluebag,
It truly was a distressing sight to behold and will be forever in the minds of who witnessed this tragic event, compassion is being shown to the people escaping the conflicts of war torn Syria and middle Eastern Countries.
There needs to be a discussion on Asylum seeking refugees and Economic migrants, the EU current no border policy is a farce,look at how the Hungarian representatives are having the backlash from EU leaders for implementing the policy they instituted upon them.
The people fleeing the War torn Countries need to be reassured of their safety and an explanation given as to why they cannot all be evacuated to one specific destination,all be it that the German president is in acceptance of a growing amount of people on a daily basis,a solution needs to be found quickly.
The EU may not be responsible for ISIS, but they gave a green light to have leaders of Countries overthrown,Iraq,Libya,Afghanistan and allow their puppets to run the over thrown Countries, take a bow George W Bush and Comrade Tony Blair,Middle East Peace Envoy,like putting Dracula in charge of a blood Bank?
This is part why they have created the problem and do not have a solution, so called intelligent Echelons of societies now stating people traffickers to the slave trade, when they have encouraged people to have an open door policy which they cannot control?
Different Countries from the European Continent along with America and the World have to accept what they have done in the pillaging of World Continents oil and Gold silver mining of minerals, installing tin pot leaders, who then have gone on to create present day problems?
The whole World seems to have gone mad in the pursuance of wealth and ignoring the Human suffering left in the carnage of that commodity?
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Re: Young boy found lying face-down on a beach near Turkish resort of Bodrum was one of at least 12 Syrians who drowned attempting to reach Greece

Post by Tony Bennett on 03.09.15 11:20

Get'emGonçalo wrote:

Shocking images of drowned three year old Syrian boy, Aylan Kurdi, show tragic plight of refugees:
It is very doubtful if this poor boy would have been found dead from drowning had not the evil Tony Blair invaded Iraq in 2003 contrary to the United Nations Charter.

A reminder, from the Leveson enquiry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaKMIxS93-s

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Re: Young boy found lying face-down on a beach near Turkish resort of Bodrum was one of at least 12 Syrians who drowned attempting to reach Greece

Post by PeterMac on 03.09.15 12:12

The fuller story is not QUITE what the tabloids are presenting.  You need to look at the broadsheets for the facts.
The family have been in Turkey for a year or so, supported by an Aunt, who has been interviewed.
They had applied for Visas to Canada, and had been turned down.

They then tried to get from Turkey to a greek island in a boat, without bothering to supply the children or the wife with life jackets, even makeshift ones made of lemonade bottles and string.  Nothing,

So in reality, although originally they were undoubtedly fleeing the civil war, they were not doing so a few days ago.  
They were looking for a better life than they could find in Turkey.

None of which lessens the individual tragedy of the death of the little boys and their mother, of course.
It is just not a good example to choose to make a political point.

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Post by hentie on 03.09.15 12:17

@Tony Bennett wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:

Shocking images of drowned three year old Syrian boy, Aylan Kurdi, show tragic plight of refugees:
It is very doubtful if this poor boy would have been found dead from drowning had not the evil Tony Blair invaded Iraq in 2003 contrary to the United Nations Charter.

A reminder, from the Leveson enquiry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaKMIxS93-s

Heartbreaking images.

Yes evil is the word for Tony Blair!
Whilst feathering his own nest he has caused death and mayhem for 100's of thousands and he still shows up expecting people to listen to him!

I believe he put us, UK on the map too for terrorist attack. Saddam Hussein another evil man, but he did keep order

Tony Blair should be jailed!
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Re: Young boy found lying face-down on a beach near Turkish resort of Bodrum was one of at least 12 Syrians who drowned attempting to reach Greece

Post by aquila on 03.09.15 12:36

@PeterMac wrote:The fuller story is not QUITE what the tabloids are presenting.  You need to look at the broadsheets for the facts.
The family have been in Turkey for a year or so, supported by an Aunt, who has been interviewed.
They had applied for Visas to Canada, and had been turned down.

They then tried to get from Turkey to a greek island in a boat, without bothering to supply the children or the wife with life jackets, even makeshift ones made of lemonade bottles and string.  Nothing,

So in reality, although originally they were undoubtedly fleeing the civil war, they were not doing so a few days ago.  
They were looking for a better life than they could find in Turkey.

None of which lessens the individual tragedy of the death of the little boys and their mother, of course.
It is just not a good example to choose to make a political point.
The Independent are on telly today explaining the promo of the most awful photograph and saying that photographs change lives and opinions. They are possibly right but not for the right reasons imo. The media are full of showing the most devastating pictures of people being beheaded, people being struck by all manner of atrocity. It sells newspapers and the media are always bedfellows with the rich, powerful and monied people.

I tend to agree with you PeterMac and I cannot understand for the life of me why anyone would place their children on a paid-for passage on what is tantamount to a dinghy, without even the basic life-saving equipment of lemonade bottles and string. I have to ask myself why this family didn't just get a flight somewhere for a 'holiday' and then ask for asylum. Turkey isn't a hell-hole is it? This family had been living in Turkey for quite a little while. I see no evidence of their struggle to live in Turkey from the media.

Dead babies washed up on a beach in Greece is selling newspapers TODAY.
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Young boy found drowned in the sea

Post by willowthewisp on 03.09.15 12:44

Hi Petermac,
Thanks for your post and some history of the boy's family and their plight to find freedom from warfare or persecution.
Ref:Political point and post from TB, which I think you comment to!
More than one million people throughout the UK demonstrated "Peacefully" in London as a sign to the elected members of Parliament, to try to stop the War starting in Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein and his Country being assimilated to the 9/11 terrorist attack.
We may never know the real reason why the Politicians took the decision to invade as we are now finding out the Maxwellisation of the Chilcot report is obfuscating to the public with their money the Legal right to know, who is to be held to account for that war?
It is because of Politicians involving this Country, UK in that involvement of war that passionate people feel so strongly that their morals were met with such content "their voices don't count" but they use our relations to fight their "political ideals" on the battle fields, wrecking our own families lives, leaving atrocities of war in it's wake,decimating lives, like they always have done, to protect the upper Echelons, elite of our society?
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Re: Young boy found lying face-down on a beach near Turkish resort of Bodrum was one of at least 12 Syrians who drowned attempting to reach Greece

Post by BlueBag on 03.09.15 12:45

...saying that photographs change lives and opinions


That's what happens in a propaganda war.
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Re: Young boy found lying face-down on a beach near Turkish resort of Bodrum was one of at least 12 Syrians who drowned attempting to reach Greece

Post by PeterMac on 03.09.15 12:46

Bodrum and the peninsular is a holiday resort of choice for many tens of thousands of people every year. It has ferry connections to Kos and Rhodes.

But the story sells papers.

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Post by aquila on 03.09.15 13:07

@PeterMac wrote:Bodrum and the peninsular is a holiday resort of choice for many tens of thousands of people every year.  It has ferry connections to Kos and Rhodes.

But the story sells papers.
If you have a valid passport it's the simplest journey.
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Post by BlueBag on 03.09.15 17:17

More propaganda to make people think we have to do something.

Why don't they stop in Turkey?
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Post by BlueBag on 03.09.15 20:08

We can't take over a million immigrants a year in.

We will collapse.

Then we can't help anyone at all.

Don't let the propaganda steal your common sense.
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Post by plebgate on 03.09.15 20:19

Such a sad story and I am compassionate but we cannot keep taking people as Britain stands at the moment.

We do not have the infra structure in place and the demands on the NHS is ridiculous without more and more people coming and using our resources.

I do not understand why Merkel has such power.   If she wants to have more and more people coming uncontrolled into Europe then let her house and feed them and treat them free of charge.  We are starting to hear that many Germans are getting fed up with the situation and are starting to rebel.

I only hope that the people of Britain will vote to come out of EU.   Fed up with our weak MPs doing Merkel's bidding.

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Post by BlueBag on 04.09.15 7:33

I see yesterdays MSM propaganda has worked.

The power of a picture.

America and Israel kill children all the time in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Palestine but the papers don't give a toss, where are those pictures?

There are pictures on the internet of dead children washed up on the beaches of Libya, refugees from the crisis CAUSED by America. Did you ever see those in the MSM?

The power of a picture.

People see a picture of a boy on a beach and it's "oh we must do something". 

But Cameron has caved in apparently - he has his excuse - even though at the current rate we are taking on 110,000 immigrants PER MONTH.

There is something else going on here.

It's like someone is deliberately trying to break European countries using mass immigration - dilute the sense of nationhood, make it harder for a rebellion with nationality as a focus.

Merkel/Cameron and the like have a different agenda to the rest of us.
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Post by ROSA on 04.09.15 8:28

I  wish I never came here to this topic  im out of here that image is too heart breaking to look at can you atleast warn when there is such a graphic image frown
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Post by Hobs on 04.09.15 18:46

@PeterMac wrote:Bodrum and the peninsular is a holiday resort of choice for many tens of thousands of people every year.  It has ferry connections to Kos and Rhodes.

But the story sells papers.
Exactly Peter.

They and all the other refugees in Turkey were in a safe country.
They decided they wanted more and headed for Europe where the benefits etc are better.

Much is being brought up about the west causing all of this.
no mention is made of the fact that wars have been ongoing in the middle east for centuries and even millennia.
Village against village , tribe against tribe, country against country, often all because  side A worships allah in a different way to side B.

This would still be ongoing even if the west and even the east had not gotten involved.
Why change the habits of a life time?

They then come into europe and continue their wars here, muslim against muslim and then muslims against every other religion.
Whole areas of europe are becoming no go areas for non muslims, even our laws are being superceded by sharia law.
Weare expected to kowtow to their demands and laws rather than have them follow our laws.

We are bending over backwards not to offend them yet in their country we are expected to bend over backwards to follow their laws.

What is stopping them from making changes in their own countries?

We cannot afford to take in every migrant be it genuine or more commonly economic.
We have to draw the line somewhere.

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Post by Casey5 on 04.09.15 20:46

It seems the young male migrants outnumber the females and children by about 9 to 1. Have they just left their wives, sisters, mothers, children in the war torn, unstable countries they say they have fled to manage how they will?
What would have happened in world war 2 if all our young men had decided to migrate instead of defending their country?
Why don't all these young men work at bringing about the desired change in their own countries instead of just baling out?
If they were truly desperate they would be most happy to apply for asylum in the first country they arrive in but instead in Hungary they demand and they insist instead of working peacefully with the authorities and now they take the law into their own hands and are walking, in their thousands, to the Austrian border.

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Post by PeterMac on 05.09.15 10:21

Wives, children, parents, uncles, aunts and cousins will follow shortly, so soon as they have mobile hones to tell them what to do and what to say.
And the ECHR guarantees Right to Family Life, so no country will be able to stop this.

interesting that the media focus has shifted towards the millions in Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan migrating through Greece . . and away from the sub-Saharan African migration into Italy and then to Calais.

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