Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Inspectorfrost wrote:Probably family or friends as is per usual

There a long list of similarities to the McC case in this link: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4687-video-eerie-similarities-of-jonbenet-murder-unsolved-and-mccann-case?highlight=similarities+with+jonbenet+ramsey

Interesting article in FoxNews yesterday. It has surfaced now that a Grand Jury vindicated the lead Detective ...

Snippet:
In 1998, Thomas resigned in protest, publicly announcing his belief that Patsy Ramsey was involved in JonBenet's death, and soon thereafter, the Ramsey's launched a major legal and public relations campaign to discredit him. Thomas was hammered over and over by intruder theorists, and after debating the Ramsey's on CNN in 2000, the family sued him for defamation and did everything to silence him.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/28/jonbenet-grand-jury-vindicates-lead-detective/#ixzz2JMek3ajb

Just goes to show Truth cannot be suppressed.

The truth will out eventuality and it is never too late. John Ramsey is still alive isn't it?

Look how long it took for Savile's hideous crime to be exposed! But it did in the end.

Think of the legacy the Mccanns will leave the twins.

Just posting up the full article that Chatelaine quoted from.




This week, Charlie Brennan of the Boulder Daily Camera reported that a 1999 Boulder grand jury voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey for the death of their 6-year old daughter, JonBenet, but that then District Attorney Alex Hunter declined to prosecute.

As an investigative reporter who has extensively covered the Ramsey case for nearly 16 years since it began and was personally acquainted with Hunter, this came as a surprise even to me.

Although the Ramsey’s children were cleared early, media reports originally shined a light on the Ramsey’s as the key suspects in the case. After the grand jury cleared the parents however, the family’s lawyers launched a successful public relations offensive that convinced most of the public that the Ramsey’s were innocent.

Now, several years later we are hearing for the first time that the Boulder grand jury found that JonBenet was killed as a result child abuse, and that the abuse was somehow caused by one of the parents.

Certainly, this is not by any means evidence that the Ramsey’s are in fact guilty, but it does chisel away at the public relations campaign the Ramsey’s mounted during the past several years to assert their innocence.

During my time in Boulder from 1997-2000, I spent a considerable amount of time as a cub reporter with Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter. Hunter was a cautious prosecutor who was driven by the probability of winning a conviction, not passion. Since there was no statute of limitations on murder, Hunter often told me, “We only get one shot at this. If we go for it too early we could lose and then JonBenet will never get justice. There’s no reason we can’t wait until we’re ready.”

Alex Hunter knew that proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt at trial is a much higher threshold than convincing a grand jury. After all, the grand jury process only allows prosecutors to make their case and call witnesses without having to face the challenge of defense lawyers.

Strategically, Hunter made a lot of sense, and in my opinion, still does. Hunter viewed the case through the scope of reason, not emotion. However, there were others in the law enforcement community who believed the case should have been presented for trial.

Among the many police officers that stood out at the Boulder Police Department was the case’s lead detective, Steve Thomas. Thomas—whom I once nicknamed ‘JonBenet’s Avenger’—logged more overtime hours than any other officer working on the case. He was convinced that Patsy Ramsey had killed her daughter as a result of child abuse and fought passionately to convince his commanders and prosecutors to go on the offensive and take their chances at trial.

In the many conversations I had with Thomas during the time he was in pursuit of JonBenet’s killer he expressed a deep loyalty to JonBenet, and I was convinced that if anyone could ultimately solve the case, it was he.

Thomas often told me that he understood Hunter’s strategic decision to be wary of prosecution, but always came to the same conclusion: “We owe it to that little girl to take the chance.” Thomas’s attitude was essentially the old adage, “Let justice be done though thy heavens fall.”

In 1998, Thomas resigned in protest, publicly announcing his belief that Patsy Ramsey was involved in JonBenet’s death, and soon thereafter, the Ramsey’s launched a major legal and public relations campaign to discredit him. Thomas was hammered over and over by intruder theorists, and after debating the Ramsey’s on CNN in 2000 the family sued him for defamation and did everything they could to silence him.

Ten years later, after Hunter left office, his prosecutorial successor Mary Lacy shocked the law enforcement community by “exonerating” the Ramsey’s. Lacy’s exoneration came under heavy fire by the Boulder Police and FBI because they felt she had become too personally involved with the family, and authorities worried that her decision was driven by sympathy, not evidence.

They were also critical because although there is evidence that an intruder may have killed JonBenet, there is more compelling evidence that points to the likelihood that Patsy Ramsey was involved in the murder.

Part of Lacy’s decision was driven by the fact that the most experienced homicide investigator who had worked on the case, Lou Smit, believed that the Ramsey’s were innocent. For years, many people believed that the grand jury had not voted to indict the Ramsey’s because of Smit’s testimony.

Now we know otherwise. In fact, what the Boulder grand jury ultimately decided was that Steve Thomas was right all along.

There is no conclusive evidence who killed JonBenet Ramsey. However, those who passionately pursued justice for her deserve to be credited. The Boulder grand jury’s decision may not be conclusive evidence of the Ramsey’s guilt, but it is, to some extent, a vindication of the police department’s investigation and the lead detective who devoted himself to finding her killer.




http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/28/jonbenet-grand-jury-vindicates-lead-detective/

Hi Candyfloss :-)
This case is ridden with similarities, isn't it?

Just putting this here, it has been posted before, on this thread or the other one.

Interview with the Boulder detective who was in the house with the Ramseys just after they discovered JoBenet missing right up until they found her body in the basement.....



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Over the last few days, I have been watching a lot of JB Ramsey films and documentaries. Like the McCann case, I have following the Ramsey case for years. However, I have weighed up both sides of the Ramsey case (were family members involved, or not), and have to say that even to this day, I wouldn't like to say what happened, but if I had to give an opinion, based on what I have learnt, I have to say, I lean more to the mother being involved.

As for the McCann's, I have no doubt whatsoever, that they KNOW what happened to their daughter, and truth WILL out, eventually.

This Real Crime documentary has been posted here before but some people may not have seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oHMJ72Yhm9Y

There are details of a possible suspect outside of the family who died in an apparent suicide soon after JonBenet.

I find it very hard though not to still consider the parents as number 1 suspects. Patsy in particular did herself no favours with her arrogance when people did not believe her.

Alarm bells go off very loudly whenever anyone says - leave me alone and look for the real killer!

Pat Brown tweeted this...

PAT BROWN‏@ProfilerPatB

In my opinion, there was ample evidence and Hunter should be charged with prosecutorial malfeasance. #jonbenetramsey http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/28/jonbenet-ramsey-grand-jury-reportedly-voted-to-indict-parents-but-da-refused-to/ …

I'm new to this thread so this exchange between Steve Thomas (the "Amaral" of the JonBenet case) and John and Patsy Ramsey on the Larry King show may have already been posted:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0005/31/lkl.00.html

I found it quite interesting. I'm off to look for the video but if anyone finds it before me please post it. Thanks

I have seen autopsy photos of this little angel and it doesnt seem to me her mother could have done that.
it was a man imo. Plus the sexual assault.
Someone hated this girl. The brother is a possibility IMO. Hence the Ramseys covering it up.

Inspectorfrost wrote:I have seen autopsy photos of this little angel and it doesnt seem to me her mother could have done that.
it was a man imo. Plus the sexual assault.
Someone hated this girl. The brother is a possibility IMO. Hence the Ramseys covering it up.

How have autopsy photos made their way on to the internet? Is that normal?

happychick wrote:

Inspectorfrost wrote:I have seen autopsy photos of this little angel and it doesnt seem to me her mother could have done that.
it was a man imo. Plus the sexual assault.
Someone hated this girl. The brother is a possibility IMO. Hence the Ramseys covering it up.

How have autopsy photos made their way on to the internet? Is that normal?

I have no idea. But it seems they and the autopsy report were leaked onto it.

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_national/jonbenet_ramsey/jonbenet_ramsey_autopsy.pdf

This link does not contain any photos but I'd advise caution as it's obviously unpleasant reading.

Jean wrote:http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_national/jonbenet_ramsey/jonbenet_ramsey_autopsy.pdf

This link does not contain any photos but I'd advise caution as it's obviously unpleasant reading.

This might be interesting but it says around her wrist they found a bracelet with her name and the date 25/12/1996 , same date as the grave stone.has anyone heard of that before ? If she got it for Christmas why that date on it? It was not a date related to her before she died ? Her birth date is August 8 ... Anyone have a clue ?

I can't see there being anything unusual about engraving the year of a Christmas gift onto a bracelet.

Jean wrote:I can't see there being anything unusual about engraving the year of a Christmas gift onto a bracelet.

Maybe not.. Where I am from it is. We engrave birth dates, baptist dates, wedding dates but not the year of a Christmas gift..

Have the Ramsey mentioned giving it to her as Christmas gift , or that she got it from other family members?

Don't know if this was posted already if so please delete

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=36&contentid=3887&page=2

I've searched this case deeply in the past but only now came across this and it's a huge reading but IMO makes perfect sense and makes me sad...

and I'm sorry but I have to say I have a "fascination" with conspiracies and serial killers but this level of things really got into me much more than anything else i've ever read...I confess I'm really disturbed by what I just read .

Ayniia wrote:Don't know if this was posted already if so please delete

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=36&contentid=3887&page=2

I've searched this case deeply in the past but only now came across this and it's a huge reading but IMO makes perfect sense and makes me sad...

and I'm sorry but I have to say I have a "fascination" with conspiracies and serial killers but this level of things really got into me much more than anything else i've ever read...I confess I'm really disturbed by what I just read .

This topic has a long and very clear list of facts that have similarities with the mcCann case. https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4687-video-eerie-similarities-of-jonbenet-murder-unsolved-and-mccann-case?highlight=jonbenet+ramsey

Ayniia wrote:Don't know if this was posted already if so please delete

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=36&contentid=3887&page=2

I've searched this case deeply in the past but only now came across this and it's a huge reading but IMO makes perfect sense and makes me sad...

and I'm sorry but I have to say I have a "fascination" with conspiracies and serial killers but this level of things really got into me much more than anything else i've ever read...I confess I'm really disturbed by what I just read .

 
Some of the information on the conspiracyplanet website is very inaccurate about JonBenet. The handwriting is actually John Ramseys. He created the fake ransom note.

I've only ever read that the writing was similar to Patsy's but it couldn't be proved conclusively to be hers.
 
http://rubylee1776.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/jonbenet/

missourisaint wrote:
Some of the information on the conspiracyplanet website is very inaccurate about JonBenet. The handwriting is actually John Ramseys. He created the fake ransom note.

What proof does exist that John wrote the note? As far as I know, only Patsy wasn't excluded of being the writer, also the words "attache " and "and hence " were used by Patsy before. It was a theory of the investigators on the case that it was possible that John dictated the note and Patsy wrote it.

The note was confirmed to have been written on paper from a pad and with a pen found in the house. 

That makes it very hard to believe that anyone not part of the family was involved.

I haven't followed this case in enough detail to be able to contribute something substantial, but I remember having seen years ago a video with the broken window in the cellar. It's a classic: there are no glass fragments inside ...

This is another case I've followed closely over the years. Lots of inconsistencies, but one of the main questions that I have asked myself is, why did Mr Ramsey carry his dead daughter from the place where she died, and put her near the Christmas tree? Moreover, why did the police fail to find JB's body when they first searched the property?

VIDEO - Eerie Similarities of JonBenet Murder Unsolved and McCann Case

- Sorry, still can't cut and paste titles in the address box, but if your put this in the search box here, you'll find a point by point overview of the case.

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:The note was confirmed to have been written on paper from a pad and with a pen found in the house. 
That makes it very hard to believe that anyone not part of the family was involved.

sallypelt wrote:This is another case I've followed closely over the years. Lots of inconsistencies, but one of the main questions that I have asked myself is, why did Mr Ramsey carry his dead daughter from the place where she died, and put her near the Christmas tree? Moreover, why did the police fail to find JB's body when they first searched the property?

Also the ransom note was 3 pages long, no rush when writing it! And ( sorry for the gruesome remark ) the broken paintbrush used in the garrote was one of Patsy's .
And the "story " is that when police first searched the house, the door to the room was stuck, they weren't able to open it. But what IMO is odd is, why when asked to search the house for something out of place, did John went straight to that room?!
As to the broken window ,John said it was him who broke it some time before when he was locked outside without key. Also there's the suitcase near the window, IMO planted there to give the impression of someone using it to climb to get out.

Reinstating this topic as there is a new one which mentions the case.

Mr Ramsey was quite prepared to continue with the planned family holiday, the same day he brought up JonBenets body from the cellar. Police were dumbfounded. Jon Benets body had tazer burns, and there were signs that she had been sexually molested over a long period of time. Poor little girl.

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Reinstating this topic as there is a new one which mentions the case.

Thank you NFWTD, I have been studying this case recently - I honestly think the McCanns used it as a template!

The Ramseys had their own 'Goncalo Amaral' nemesis in the form of former Boulder Detective Steve Thomas, who was determined to bring them to justice and who was also forced to resign from the police. The release in 2013 of the grand jury's recommendations that the Ramseys should have been indicted for murder,finally exonerated him, but of course the Ramseys never faced justice.