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Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Guest on 04.06.12 11:37

Never seen this before either, interview with the first detective on the scene, very interesting.............

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Post by Guest on 04.06.12 12:22

I don't think that the reference to a 5 page ransom note is correct - it has always been given as half that. Here's a link to the content of it.

http://articles.cnn.com/2006-08-16/justice/ramsey.ransom.note_1_jonbenet-ransom-note-small-foreign-faction-ramsey-home?_s=PM:LAW

A very strange case indeed and I agree with the Boulder detective who doesn't think the person(s) responsible will ever be brought to justice.
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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by friedtomatoes on 05.06.12 18:58

the ramseys themselves or the mothers or fathers boyfriend or other friends, statistics

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by friedtomatoes on 05.06.12 19:00

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:What would make a parent kill a child in such a horrific manner?

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Tony Bennett on 05.06.12 19:35

Jean wrote:I don't think that the reference to a 5 page ransom note is correct - it has always been given as half that. Here's a link to the content of it.

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A very strange case indeed and I agree with the Boulder detective who doesn't think the person(s) responsible will ever be brought to justice.
1. The handwriting on the ransom note showed clear signs that it may have been written by Patsy Ramsey, though maybe trying to disguise her handwriting

2. An analysis of words used in the ransom note compared with words commonly used by Patsy Ramsey virtually proved that she wrote the ransom note [NOTE: I have covered thise elsewhere on another JonBenet Ramsey note on this forum]

3. Additionally, the amount claimed on the ransom note [IIRC $118,800] matched an amount owed I think by Mr Ramsey

4. There were several indications that JonBenet may have been sexually abused.

Was Mr Ramsey part of a high level paedophile gang? - with the right connections with corrupt officials to snuff out the investiagtion before it really got going?

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Guest on 05.06.12 21:19

I'm inclined to think that there are paedophile links to this case (not involving strangers either) but what I can't understand is why did the Ramseys concoct the kidnapping story but leave the poor child's body in the house. Why did they not hide the body somewhere (America is a very big place!) and if it was ever discovered later, they would have been able to blame the kidnapper.
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Post by tigger on 05.06.12 21:28

Jean wrote:I'm inclined to think that there are paedophile links to this case (not involving strangers either) but what I can't understand is why did the Ramseys concoct the kidnapping story but leave the poor child's body in the house. Why did they not hide the body somewhere (America is a very big place!) and if it was ever discovered later, they would have been able to blame the kidnapper.

Wasn't it the mother who was most under suspicion? The father who was possibly guilty of abuse - I can then see the dynamics here. Mother in a fit of temper and father - depending on his character but rather strangely depositing the body - instead of leaving it downstairs.
Would that be because of the rather strong looking policewoman who looked as if she was going to solve his problem?
Sort of - look what she's done - yet he can't say anything because he is guilty of other crimes?

Just throwing this out, but people who used their daughter as a ticket to stardom and let her be abused - wouldn't be the most rational people around.

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Guest on 05.06.12 22:09

Anyone seen this ? Is it possible or what do you think ?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 05.06.12 22:48

OK, Moa, I have watched this.

It is very clerar to me, as it was to the detective, that Michael Holgath did NOT commit suicide, but was murdered, probably by a hit man, with the killing made to look like a suicide.

Did he abuse and kill JonBenet? The DNA evidence seems to implicate a third party white male.

Holgath's past may indicate paedophile tendencies.

If Holgath was JonBenet's killer, I suggest this was in collusion with one or both Ramseys. For the reasons given above and many more, one of the three Ramseys either killed JonBenet - or they know fine well who did.

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Guest on 05.06.12 22:55

@Tony Bennett wrote:OK, Moa, I have watched this.

It is very clerar to me, as it was to the detective, that Michael Holgath did NOT commit suicide, but was murdered, probably by a hit man, with the killing made to look like a suicide.

Did he abuse and kill JonBenet? The DNA evidence seems to implicate a third party white male.

Holgath's past may indicate paedophile tendencies.

If Holgath was JonBenet's killer, I suggest this was in collusion with one or both Ramseys. For the reasons given above and many more, one of the three Ramseys either killed JonBenet - or they know fine well who did.
Ty Tony for your feedback :)
Do you know who died first him or patsy ?
Do you know if they ever tested this mans DNA against what ever they found on JB ?

I must say I strongly believe that police woman at the scene,from the other vid posted here ,when she says she knows who did it. She seems most convincend and I see no reason for her to lie or make it up..

Also agree with her that this case will probably never be solved...
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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Tony Bennett on 05.06.12 23:09

Moa wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:OK, Moa, I have watched this.

It is very clerar to me, as it was to the detective, that Michael Holgath did NOT commit suicide, but was murdered, probably by a hit man, with the killing made to look like a suicide.

Did he abuse and kill JonBenet? The DNA evidence seems to implicate a third party white male.

Holgath's past may indicate paedophile tendencies.

If Holgath was JonBenet's killer, I suggest this was in collusion with one or both Ramseys. For the reasons given above and many more, one of the three Ramseys either killed JonBenet - or they know fine well who did.
Ty Tony for your feedback :)
Do you know who died first him or patsy ? ...
Patsy died from cancer 2-3 years after JonBenet's death. Isn't John Ramsey still alive?

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by dragonfly on 06.06.12 0:24

Moa wrote:Anyone seen this ? Is it possible or what do you think ?

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Hi Moa , Thanks for posting I watched the video and found it on par with panorama , I looked in to his case many years back and imo was looking like an elite ring involvement The father John looked like he had connections in high places, I made some postings on a JBR thread on here but I think it was a thread that had to be whooshed , When you look further in to cases you do find interesting information

read up on Elizabeth Pasch Ramsey Johns other daughter from previous relationship, John Ramsey also had a brief relationship ( I think after )with Beth Twitty /Holloway who's is the mother of Missing Natalee Holloway and in that is an interesting case
a quote on the mother According to Julia Renfro, U.S.-born editor of the Aruban tourist-oriented newspaper, Aruba Today, who befriended Holloway in the early days of the investigation, Holloway pandered to tabloid television and her "behavior was odd from the get-go" Renfro noted that "Holloway immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police" adding that within a couple of days, after fixing responsibility on Joran van der Sloot, Holloway "was telling TV interviewers that she knew her daughter had been gang-raped and murdered". lJohn Ramsey is releasing 2nd book on JBR

An interesting article is this one on the JBR
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Post by Guest on 06.06.12 5:55

@Tony Bennett wrote:
Moa wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:OK, Moa, I have watched this.

It is very clerar to me, as it was to the detective, that Michael Holgath did NOT commit suicide, but was murdered, probably by a hit man, with the killing made to look like a suicide.

Did he abuse and kill JonBenet? The DNA evidence seems to implicate a third party white male.

Holgath's past may indicate paedophile tendencies.

If Holgath was JonBenet's killer, I suggest this was in collusion with one or both Ramseys. For the reasons given above and many more, one of the three Ramseys either killed JonBenet - or they know fine well who did.
Ty Tony for your feedback :)
Do you know who died first him or patsy ? ...
Patsy died from cancer 2-3 years after JonBenet's death. Isn't John Ramsey still alive?

Yes He is alive, i ment the man in the vid i posten, the suicide / murdered man and patsy, who died first of them..
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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Guest on 06.06.12 8:51

The man in the video died in 1997 (I think, I need to check that again) and Patsy Ramsey in June 2006. I can't help but think that Holgath was no loss to the world.
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Post by Guest on 06.06.12 11:50

Jean wrote:The man in the video died in 1997 (I think, I need to check that again) and Patsy Ramsey in June 2006. I can't help but think that Holgath was no loss to the world.

TY..
If he was the third part, they would feel safer with him dead, then they where just two in the knowing, now only one, and thats always the safest...
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Post by Guest on 06.06.12 11:51

@dragonfly wrote:
Moa wrote:Anyone seen this ? Is it possible or what do you think ?



Hi Moa , Thanks for posting I watched the video and found it on par with panorama , I looked in to his case many years back and imo was looking like an elite ring involvement The father John looked like he had connections in high places, I made some postings on a JBR thread on here but I think it was a thread that had to be whooshed , When you look further in to cases you do find interesting information

read up on Elizabeth Pasch Ramsey Johns other daughter from previous relationship, John Ramsey also had a brief relationship ( I think after )with Beth Twitty /Holloway who's is the mother of Missing Natalee Holloway and in that is an interesting case
a quote on the mother According to Julia Renfro, U.S.-born editor of the Aruban tourist-oriented newspaper, Aruba Today, who befriended Holloway in the early days of the investigation, Holloway pandered to tabloid television and her "behavior was odd from the get-go" Renfro noted that "Holloway immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police" adding that within a couple of days, after fixing responsibility on Joran van der Sloot, Holloway "was telling TV interviewers that she knew her daughter had been gang-raped and murdered". lJohn Ramsey is releasing 2nd book on JBR

An interesting article is this one on the JBR
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=36&contentid=3887&page=2

Interresting link and information... If true, the information is giving me the chills...
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JonBenet Ramsey, new clues, new book by detective who worked on the case

Post by bristow on 19.07.12 17:15

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(May be mistaken but I thought there was a section for the JBR case?)
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Post by Guest on 19.07.12 17:23

Yes there is Bristow, in Crime, coorruption and Conspiracy......... just merged your topic with this relevant thread
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Post by bristow on 19.07.12 23:00

candyfloss wrote:Yes there is Bristow, in Crime, coorruption and Conspiracy......... just merged your topic with this relevant thread[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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Post by Guest on 20.07.12 10:53

Thank you for the link bristow, just read it, and watched the video of the basement and the cobwebs on it. So this detective believes there was no intruder. Interesing.
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Post by Guest on 14.11.12 9:58

candyfloss wrote:Thank you for the link bristow, just read it, and watched the video of the basement and the cobwebs on it. So this detective believes there was no intruder. Interesing.

very interesting indeed.
Another link about the same thing.

Also I find it interesting that on her gravestone they have put the date 25 december, when the note and body was found on the 26 dec. Did they not arrive home late around 10 o clock the evening of 25 ? So they seems to know that she died before midnight then? Atleast where I am from we put the right date for the death on the gravestone, meaning if someone dies after midnight,its a new day and thats the death date..
If they where home around 10 in the evening, I would assume she died after midnight, mho.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/18/new-clues-in-jonbenet-ramsey-murder.html
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Post by Guest on 14.11.12 11:08

I've started reading about this case again, Im always drawn to the unsolved cases ...

Anyway , had never seen the video in the link from my post above before.

The cobweb was interesting.

I noticed the poster on the wall or door for the movie "an officer and a gentleman" in the start of the vid. some words from this movie is factory, its about foreign people ( ransom note refering to a foreign factory)
I see a picture of an Elephant, I assume Patsy painted it ? is there any symbolic in Elephants that can tell us something?
I also see a small red chair standing like it has been used to stand on to reach something on the shelf. - If, what ? the cord or the painting pencil used, duck tape? Can this tell us something of the hight of the person that was there?

The window is also broken, does anyone know if they found any shards of glass on the inside or outside of this window?
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Post by Guest on 14.11.12 12:51

@ Moa: the only broken glass I see in the video is on the windowsill at 3:44. Nothing on the floor that I can detect. Also, the window is broken at the top, which would make it rather difficult [and hazardous] to reach the handle on the inside. Breaking the glass at the lower part of that pane would be more logical IMO
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Post by Guest on 14.11.12 14:25

Châtelaine wrote:@ Moa: the only broken glass I see in the video is on the windowsill at 3:44. Nothing on the floor that I can detect. Also, the window is broken at the top, which would make it rather difficult [and hazardous] to reach the handle on the inside. Breaking the glass at the lower part of that pane would be more logical IMO

TY, good point !
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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Inspectorfrost on 12.01.13 22:00

Probably family or friends as is per usual

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