Have i just met david payne?

Tony Bennett wrote:

Hobs wrote:

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Is he still at Leicester Royal Infirmary Hobs? The hospital where Sir Professor Peter Bell said my husband had an inoperable aneurysm and sent him home to die to save money?

No he isn't if this is the same guy and everything so far seems to match up...

Isn't this 'our' Dr David Payne here:

http://www.ramsayhealth.co.uk/consultants/woodland-hospital/urology/mr-david-payne

http://finder.bupa.co.uk/Consultant/view/194971/mr_david_payne

...at the Ramsey Health Care UK private Woodland Hospital, Kettering, Northamptonshire - about 35 miles from Leicester?

The second link gives his main special interest as:

Female urology

tigger wrote:Rather worrying I must say, just as well you were there Hobbs!

Mind you, it's not easy to forget Gerry in his very own documentary "Madeleine was here"(I think) giving a demonstration on how not to listen to lungs.  His bedside manner wasn't too hot either imo.

What was really lovely (modest man..)  is how he pushed his own trolley, selected a seemingly random spot on the capacious chest of a very large man and announced that the lungs were clear of fluid.

Hobs wrote:He looks thinner and miserable as sin.

He is not a happy bunny compared to all the other hospital staff i have run across in  my trials and tribulations with uncle.

I could be mean and bamboozle him with a bucket load of real technical stuff as long as i don't mind uncle screaming at me to shut up, the doctor knows what he is doing ( yeah really like the fact they yhad scheduled him for a procedure which would have killed him had i not stepped in and said woah you do realise that...) also the hospital have a nasty habit of forgetting he is ona a low salt/low sugar/low potassium diet and instead have him on full diet and then wondering why his potassium levels have rocketed.
I now check the boards and tell them write his diet on there so everyone is aware as today's staff may not be tommorows and stuff gets missed or forgotten in changeovers. ( he sulks cos he then can't have all the stuff he wants but isn't allowed)

I shall have to recheck his discharge notes and the 5 pages of blood results and then  do a crash course in renal failure 102 ( i already did 101)

Ladyinred wrote:Maybe because Fiona is now calling herself Webster?

Gaggzy wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:Maybe because Fiona is now calling herself Webster?

... which may mean David is calling himself a cab.

snook wrote:Bamboozle a renal consultant over matters concerning kidney cancer?

Hobs wrote:

snook wrote:Bamboozle a renal consultant over matters concerning kidney cancer?

My uncle does not have kidney cancer, he has stage 4 renal failure borderline stage 5.
After meeting with payne, it is clear the guy is clueless.
He has previously tried to schedule procedures which, if performed on a patient with stage 4 renal failure would have killed him had i not said hell no.In the end he did a similar procedure that was safe for my uncle.

Last year my uncle was admitted 3 times with massive UTI's which, if left to his own devices would have killed him, i kicked off and started getting ultra polite ( never a good sign when i have a complaint) whereupon he finally decided to remove the stent and insert a nephrostomy.

Despite not having a stent inserted, said payne still kept trying to call him in to have the stent, which he did not have, changed and expressed surprise when it was pointed out to him.

Regarding his nephrostomy, the prat couldn't hit a barn if he was inside the damn thing.

Multiple  attempts to get the nephrostomy tube inside resulted in lacerations to the already screwed kidney ( they have to make a small incision to insert the end directly into the middle of the kidney) it also meant that for 2 nights uncle wet the bed due to him leaking urine from his kidney into his abdomen and then leaking out via the holes in his back and side.

it now appears that with all the dicking around, apart from his kidney now being grossly abnormal and so much build up of blood and fluid around the kidney that it could not be seen via ultrasound, uncle may now have an abscess in his bladder and a huge infection going which they cannot seem to control.

I would not trust payne with a toddlers plastic spoon.

When a 'consultant starts telling me he will be investigating using a telescope, telling me that a patients previous history does not have any affect or impact on future treatment and then waffling on about chickens crossing the road, then  he is a prime target for my ire and i will let him use his own words to tell me what i need to know.

snook wrote:Apologies,  I didn't re read and assumed cancer when I read stage 4. 
I don't have unswerving faith in the medical profession,  many of the drugs and treatments it pushes however I don't think it's right to read a few Google articles and think we can outsmart a professional who has reached consultant level. As for using the word telescope.  When an endoscope is a type of telescope.  Perhaps he uses it as some patients may not understand the technical words. Surely if he was such a goddam awful quack he'd have been out on his ear for all the death and disease he was wreaking?

Get'emGonçalo wrote:

snook wrote:Apologies,  I didn't re read and assumed cancer when I read stage 4. 
I don't have unswerving faith in the medical profession,  many of the drugs and treatments it pushes however I don't think it's right to read a few Google articles and think we can outsmart a professional who has reached consultant level. As for using the word telescope.  When an endoscope is a type of telescope.  Perhaps he uses it as some patients may not understand the technical words. Surely if he was such a goddam awful quack he'd have been out on his ear for all the death and disease he was wreaking?

I think Hobs is absolutely right to question him and do her own research.

As I said a few pages back a Sir Professor Peter Bell at Leicester Royal Infirmary diagnosed my husband with an inoperable aneursym and sent him home to die (to save money for the LRI) with less than 2 years to live and told me "not to allow him to get stressed". How do you stop a dying man from being stressed knowing his aneurysm could burst at any time?

I researched the whole world (almost having to sell our house to have the operation done in Chicago) and it took 18 months of those two years to fight the NHS to get him an operation here in Birmingham at the QE, the operation was successful (so not inoperable after all then Sir Professor?).

A consultant with a knighthood can get it dangerously wrong too.

http://nhsdeathrow.blogspot.co.uk/

Verdi wrote:

Get'emGonçalo wrote:

snook wrote:Apologies,  I didn't re read and assumed cancer when I read stage 4. 
I don't have unswerving faith in the medical profession,  many of the drugs and treatments it pushes however I don't think it's right to read a few Google articles and think we can outsmart a professional who has reached consultant level. As for using the word telescope.  When an endoscope is a type of telescope.  Perhaps he uses it as some patients may not understand the technical words. Surely if he was such a goddam awful quack he'd have been out on his ear for all the death and disease he was wreaking?

I think Hobs is absolutely right to question him and do her own research.

As I said a few pages back a Sir Professor Peter Bell at Leicester Royal Infirmary diagnosed my husband with an inoperable aneursym and sent him home to die (to save money for the LRI) with less than 2 years to live and told me "not to allow him to get stressed". How do you stop a dying man from being stressed knowing his aneurysm could burst at any time?

I researched the whole world (almost having to sell our house to have the operation done in Chicago) and it took 18 months of those two years to fight the NHS to get him an operation here in Birmingham at the QE, the operation was successful (so not inoperable after all then Sir Professor?).

A consultant with a knighthood can get it dangerously wrong too.

http://nhsdeathrow.blogspot.co.uk/

Jill, I'm so sorry - words fail me.  I'm not an over emotional person but times like this bring you crashing back down to earth and  put a whole new perspective on what's important in life.

My heart goes out to you and yours.

Verdi

Get'emGonçalo wrote:

snook wrote:Apologies,  I didn't re read and assumed cancer when I read stage 4. 
I don't have unswerving faith in the medical profession,  many of the drugs and treatments it pushes however I don't think it's right to read a few Google articles and think we can outsmart a professional who has reached consultant level. As for using the word telescope.  When an endoscope is a type of telescope.  Perhaps he uses it as some patients may not understand the technical words. Surely if he was such a goddam awful quack he'd have been out on his ear for all the death and disease he was wreaking?

I think Hobs is absolutely right to question him and do her own research.

As I said a few pages back a Sir Professor Peter Bell at Leicester Royal Infirmary diagnosed my husband with an inoperable aneursym and sent him home to die (to save money for the LRI) with less than 2 years to live and told me "not to allow him to get stressed". How do you stop a dying man from being stressed knowing his aneurysm could burst at any time?

I researched the whole world (almost having to sell our house to have the operation done in Chicago) and it took 18 months of those two years to fight the NHS to get him an operation here in Birmingham at the QE, the operation was successful (so not inoperable after all then Sir Professor?).

A consultant with a knighthood can get it dangerously wrong too.

http://nhsdeathrow.blogspot.co.uk/

Get'emGonçalo wrote:

snook wrote:Apologies,  I didn't re read and assumed cancer when I read stage 4. 
I don't have unswerving faith in the medical profession,  many of the drugs and treatments it pushes however I don't think it's right to read a few Google articles and think we can outsmart a professional who has reached consultant level. As for using the word telescope.  When an endoscope is a type of telescope.  Perhaps he uses it as some patients may not understand the technical words. Surely if he was such a goddam awful quack he'd have been out on his ear for all the death and disease he was wreaking?

I think Hobs is absolutely right to question him and do her own research.

As I said a few pages back a Sir Professor Peter Bell at Leicester Royal Infirmary diagnosed my husband with an inoperable aneursym and sent him home to die (to save money for the LRI) with less than 2 years to live and told me "not to allow him to get stressed". How do you stop a dying man from being stressed knowing his aneurysm could burst at any time?

I researched the whole world (almost having to sell our house to have the operation done in Chicago) and it took 18 months of those two years to fight the NHS to get him an operation here in Birmingham at the QE, the operation was successful (so not inoperable after all then Sir Professor?).

A consultant with a knighthood can get it dangerously wrong too.

http://nhsdeathrow.blogspot.co.uk/

Hobs wrote:I come from a family that have a medical background, i have also worked in a hospital, in a vets and finally in research.

When i google information i start with the universities that do medical research and then using those progress to medical papers released by professionals relating to the area of interest of concern to me as well as the more generalised areas to do with  renal failure, congestive heart failure etc
I was thown when he got a fungal infection of the liver as i had never heard of that.
Apprantly it is rare so consultants from all over the country were coming in to prod poke and discuss, it got even rarer when it turned out to have spread to his eyes.
This was a steep learning curve for everyone :)

The plus side is when the drs start using techy terms i know what the heck they are talking about, it also means when i read through my uncles notes i know what i am looking at and i can ask the right questions.

It is worth noting that when he was in icu the first time round, i and my 2 aunts knew what every single tube, machine, button and dial meant apart from one ( it was for his bowel movements as he was comatose)

It means also i know what i am looking at when i read through his notes and see the various marks, comments changes etc and, since uncle will lie through his teeth and minimise to get out of hospital, i can tell them what he is being deceptive about and chase them up on it.

This is also where statement analysis has its uses in that i know when someone is not being truthful and i will push till they tell the truth.

Regarding making an official complaint, this is on my to do list, i need to go through his more recent notes and compare  them to  all the discharges notes, blood results and all the other paperwork i have kept.