Re: Madeleine McCann - the evidence of the cadaver dogs

by Casey5 Thu 18 Jan - 7:24

It's the McCanns' reactions that puzzle so many people. For instance, if your child disappears and you believe she has been abducted and then British police inform you that sniffer dogs have alerted to blood and cadaver signs and that nobody has previously died in the apartment I would imagine most people would be traumatised and believe the worst. They would implore the police to keep searching and would give the police their phones, their holiday photos, the child's medical records - in short anything and everything they could think would help.
They certainly would not go on television and diss the dogs as totally unreliable and smirk "Ask the dogs, Sandra" to the interviewer. They wouldn't refuse to answer 48 questions put to them by the police, as Kate did, even if their lawyer instructed them to. They wouldn't send their missing child's clothing to the laundry a couple of days later without getting permission from the police and they wouldn't was the cuddly toy - used as a prop imo - that was the last thing apparently Madeleine touched.
They wouldn't function normally a few days later on their missing child's birthday never mind holding hands and beaming as they came out of church. And they wouldn't engage expensive lawyers, PR people and private investigators or make their child a ward of court or set up a cash raising fund when their daughter, very much alive according to them, could very well have been found in a matter of days.
The list is seemingly endless on how not to behave when your child goes missing.

by Basil with a brush Thu 18 Jan - 12:53

Quote/unquote...doh!

by Basil with a brush Thu 18 Jan - 12:56

Basil with a brush wrote:
RothleyGirl wrote:
I know from experience how easy it was for a burglar to steal my purse while I was in another room and be in and out in seconds. I stupidly left my door unlocked giving the thief easy access.

Lovely as it is to hear somebody trying to find the good in someone, or struggling to decide which side of the fence to climb down from, but Purse and child are so far apart in terms of value, that....well, if a child is Buenos Aries, then a purse is Shanghai.

If you go out, you take the minors (Extreme ones at that) with you. If you don't, then you lock them in. No room for unlocked doors here. Simple

by HiDeHo Thu 18 Jan - 21:44

Basil with a brush wrote:
Basil with a brush wrote:
RothleyGirl wrote:
I know from experience how easy it was for a burglar to steal my purse while I was in another room and be in and out in seconds. I stupidly left my door unlocked giving the thief easy access.

Lovely as it is to hear somebody trying to find the good in someone, or struggling to decide which side of the fence to climb down from, but Purse and child are so far apart in terms of value, that....well, if a child is Buenos Aries, then a purse is Shanghai.

If you go out, you take the minors (Extreme ones at that) with you. If you don't, then you lock them in. No room for unlocked doors here. Simple

Important to remember.... Maddie didn't disappear because she was left alone

by ChippyM Fri 19 Jan - 3:32

Equating stealing purses from Hotel rooms with stealing children, we're back to that one?

So the Logic is - there are people robbing holiday resorts for money on a regular basis therefore people creep round holiday resorts stealing children on a regular basis too. not exactly logical.

Actually I forgot, it's just Praia da luz that has 'child stealers' crawling all over it. ..... no wait a minute , we're back to being 'not logical'.

by Basil with a brush Fri 19 Jan - 7:00

HiDeHo wrote:

Important to remember.... Maddie didn't disappear because she was left alone

Was kinda my point HIDeHo.

It's possible she may have been left with the wrong person at times, but never alone.

by tara Wed 6 Jun - 2:51

The secret visits of the McCanns to the Church of Luz on Joana Morais blog states:

'Construction Works. Back in 2007, the public area of the village of Luz had been for months undergoing sanitation improvements and road works. Behind the church there were ongoing construction works. Being a place of worship, various LEGAL ISSUES Hampered a search there. At the time, PJ sources admitted to the possibility that the girl's body could have passed through that location, or even, to have been buried in the deactivated cemetery. The British police came to Portugal to investigate the Maddie case. They dug and went into the sewers looking for a dead girl or clues that could lead to her whereabouts. The PJ had said the very same and had done those searches seven years ago. A "movie for the English to see" said an elderly lady mockingly......the British police wanted to be accompanied by the media but the PJ refused. Since the 2nd June, Praia da Luz in Lagos has a large team of policemen, geologists, archaeologists, cutting edge technology and sniffer dogs. They all come from England 'under the supervision of PJ and Public Prosecutor Office.' In addition there are PJ Inspectors, GNR Military on foot and horseback and Portuguese forest sappers. A setting worthy of a blockbuster movie.'

I have always had trouble with the expression ' Leaving no Stone Unturned' as the name for the McCanns' Madeleine 'search' fund and wonder why Eddie and Keela the specialist cadaver and blood search dogs were not taken to the area of the church where who knows what they may have discovered. I cannot help wondering whether the reference to stones is a sardonic hint from an arrogant narcissist. Nothing would surprise me. Ask the dogs...if only....

by willowthewisp Wed 6 Jun - 3:11

Hi Tara,please do not be offended by my reply,Church,Cadaver Dogs?

If the dogs are portrayed to find certain Smells,Bloods,they would be within the confind's of a Churchyard,so the dogs would alert to or may give off false readings but they are not false,if you understand.

by tara Wed 6 Jun - 3:40

Yes, I know, but I was thinking more of the newly paved areas and interior of the church, particularly if the blue bag had been in there. I agree that Keela and Eddie would have a field day in a cemetery! Madeleine McCann - the evidence of the cadaver dogs - Page 2 1f600

Madeleine McCann - the evidence of the cadaver dogs - Page 2 1f600

I am not at all offended. There were sniffer dogs during the original searches but not those 'special' noses.

by Guest Wed 6 Jun - 10:41

tara wrote:I have always had trouble with the expression ' Leaving no Stone Unturned' as the name for the McCanns' Madeleine 'search' fund and wonder why Eddie and Keela the specialist cadaver and blood search dogs were not taken to the area of the church where who knows what they may have discovered. I cannot help wondering whether the reference to stones is a sardonic hint from an arrogant narcissist. Nothing would surprise me. Ask the dogs...if only..

I have questioned a number of times in the past if there might be a crypt at the Church of Nossa Senhora da Luz. The church was originally built in the 1500s and although subjected to extensive damage by the hand of god and subsequently restored - most churches of old had a crypt or some other subterranean hide-out, I should be surprised if the Praia da Luz church was any different.

Consecrated ground protected from prying eyes - and worse still, nosy dogs? A distinct possibility in my view, ambient temperature like that of a cave, easy local access on foot, busy little area with people around and about - nothing to arouse suspicion in or around a place of worship?

I've tried to find detailed information about the church but never went much beyond ..

http://www.algarveluzbay.com/luz/church/

Or another I found with a more detailed description - including the name McCann. They get everywhere rolleyes

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My mind boggleth at the number of people, like the Textusa sisterhood, that have visited Praia da Luz but spent their time walking the streets and investigating the local cafés, bars and restaurants. My first stop would have been the church, to find out about it's history - but then I'm a typical happy snappy tourist.

by Lossincasa Wed 6 Jun - 18:18

Back in 2007, the public area of the village of Luz had been for months undergoing sanitation improvements and road works. Behind the church there were ongoing construction works.

This was always bothering me as well. From the beginning I thought, maybe a crypt, a refilled ditch, or some other construction left unguarded at night was overlooked due to the panic and just like the Ben case (imo), she ended up there unfortunately. No need to dig anything, just put her inside.

The only thing stopping me believing she's there or somewhere buried, is that Gery seems convinced her body isn't retrievable and no one has managed to prove him wrong yet.

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