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Did Jane Tanner fabricate her sighting of a man carrying a child?

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Did Jane Tanner fabricate her sighting of a man carrying a child?

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 30.07.15 7:18




Summary of information which suggests that Jane Tanner’s account of seeing a man carrying a child was a complete fabrication

These factual matters suggest that, throughout, Jane Tanner has fabricated her alleged ‘sighting’ of a man carrying a child.

1. Seconds before she claims to have seen the man carrying a child, she states firmly that she passed right by two men. One of those was Dr Gerald McCann. The other was a friend he had apparently made on holiday, Jeremy Wilkins. In their statements, neither man could remember seeing her pass by.

2. Further, there was a clear contradiction between Ms Tanner’s account of which side of the road the two men were standing on and the statements of the two men on the same issue.

3. Ms Tanner clearly conveyed her sighting to Dr Gerald McCann, Dr Russell O’Brien and other members of the group, because her claimed ‘sighting’ was used to create two handwritten timelines of events that night which were handed to the Portuguese police at around midnight of Thursday 3/Friday 4 May. These handwritten timelines were made on the cover of Madeleine’s Sainsbury’s Activity Sticker Book, which had been torn off. It is almost certain that this action (of tearing off Madeleine’s activity sticker book cover) must have been performed by one of the McCanns, presumably Dr Gerald McCann. The person who wrote these two timelines, Dr Russell O’Brien, said in a written statement that he had been handed the torn-off cover and said that ‘he thought it was the back of a cereal packet’. It is claimed by Dr Kate McCann that she did not know of this ‘sighting’ until the following day. She further claims that Ms Tanner did not tell her about the ‘sighting’ until about 24 hours after the event. It is submitted that it is not credible that, the group having knowledge of Ms Tanner’s sighting, and the information being recorded on an Activity Sticker Book belong to Madeleine’s parents, that she did not know about the ‘sighting’ on the night in question and did not know about it until the following day. Dr Kate McCann was with her husband nearly all the time following their report of Madeleine’s disappearance.

4. Ms Tanner’s original description of the ‘sighting’ was vague, and spoke of a bundle being carried. Then there were references to the child having been seen by Ms Tanner being carried in a blanket [See e.g. Reference 17 above: “how she watched the tot being taken away in a blanket”]. Later, her recollections of the person she said she saw became more and more detailed, contrary to the process by which memory and recall normally operate.

5. In her second and subsequent statements, for example, she felt able to describe in detail what kind of shoes the man was wearing and felt able to describe in great detail the type of pyjamas the child was wearing, right down to the length of the pyjamas, the frilly edges at the bottom of the pyjamas, the colour of the pyjamas and even the pattern of her pyjamas. It was nearly dark at the time.

6. Analysis of her various statements about the sighting show that hey are long and rambling with a huge amount of hesitation - typical signs that the truth is not being told

7. As is clear from the above, and despite the massive publicity claiming that Madeleine had been abducted, the Portuguese Police were from Day One so unconvinced by Ms Tanner’s evidence that they discounted it completely.

8. The Portuguese Police were unwilling to release Jane Tanner’s description of her ‘sighting’, and were only prompted to allow Dr Gerald McCann to release a description of Jane Tanner’s sighting following heavy pressure led by Gordon Brown, Britain Chancellor of the Exchequer at the time, and the British Ambassador to Portugal.

9. On 13 May 2007, the Portuguese Police suspected that a Mr Robert Murat might be connected in some way with what was thought to be the abduction of Madeleine McCann. They caused Jane Tanner to be placed in an unmarked police car with blacked out windows through which Ms Tanner could see clearly. The police induced several people including Robert Murat to walk past the car. As is explained in Dr Goncalo Amaral’s book, ‘The Truth About A Lie’, Ms Tanner was adamant that Robert Murat was the man she claimed to have seen carrying a chid 10 days earlier. The fact that she did identify Robert Murat has not been explicitly denied and was implicitly acknowledged not least by Clarence Mitchell, when he was interviewed by Channel 4 on this very issue. His carefully-chosen words were: “Jane Tanner did not actually name Robert Murat and you can go back and check for yourselves, it is all in the police records”. This was a typical statement from a man used to the arts of a public relations adviser. It was a truthful statement but also one that tried to conceal the real truth, namely that Ms Tanner did positively assert that she was sure that Robert Murat was the man she had seen carrying a child at around 9.15pm on the night Madeleine was reported missing. The first point that needs to be made about this is that Robert Murat did not match the description Ms Tanner gave of the man she said she saw. By contrast with her description of the man she saw, Robert Murat is:

a) taller

b) of greater build

c) had short hair, and

d) always wears glasses because of an eye defect.

10. The second point to be made is that, subsequently, Jane Tanner changed her position, and attempted to deny that she had identified Robert Murat. Dr Kate McCann in her book ‘madeleine’ spent three pages of her book (pages 134-6) with a rambling explanation of why Jane tanner had identified Robert Murat. In terms, Dr McCann says that Jane Tanner may have been mistaken in her identification of Murat. Yet her adamant identification of him was use by the Portuguese Police to pull Robert Murat in for questioning the day afterwards (14 May).

11. The McCann Team did not release an artist’s sketch of the abductor to the public until 25 October 2007 and it was first seen by the public the following day, 26 October. That was just a week short of six months after the night Madeleine was reported missing. This question must be asked: what exactly was the point of releasing this sketch to the public nearly six months after the event?

12. During November 2007 to January 2008, the McCann Team worked on preparing for a huge publicity event centred around the statements of a Ms Gail Cooper, who said she had seen a suspicious man in Praia da Luz in the days before Madeleine McCann was reported missing. The same ‘forensic artist’ who had produced the sketch of the man released on 25 October, Melissa Little, now also produced an artist’s sketch of this man (now known variously as ‘Cooperman’, ‘Monster man’ or ‘George Harrison man’). The sketches of Melissa Little, based on Gail Cooper’s description, showed a man full-face with a number of detailed features, notably a large moustache and straggly hair. These sketches were shown to Jane Tanner, who had:

(a) already given a description of the man she claimed to have seen and that she had seen no part of his face, and

(b) already adamantly identified Robert Murat as the man she said she had seen on 3 May 2007.

Despite that, Jane Tanner now said that she was 80% sure that the new person drawn by Melissa Little was the same person she had seen on 3 May. However:


  • She clearly admitted originally that she had never seen the face of the man she said she’s seen, and
  • Melissa Little’s ‘Cooperman’ looked nothing like Robert Murat.


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In August 2009, in a press conference called by the McCann Team about another event claimed by them as being a ‘strong lead’ (namely a British banker revealing that two years previously he had had a conversation with an Australian woman who looked like Victoria Beckham on Barcelona dockside at 2am after several hours drinking), the McCanns’ chief private investigator at the time, said that when Jane Tanner saw a figure carrying away a child on 3 May 2007, she might have seen a woman, not a man.


Jane Tanner's sketch in her own handwriting
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Re: Did Jane Tanner fabricate her sighting of a man carrying a child?

Post by BlueBag on 30.07.15 8:52

I wonder if Jane Tanner's friends, work colleagues and acquaintances read this stuff? 

What must they think?
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Re: Did Jane Tanner fabricate her sighting of a man carrying a child?

Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 30.07.15 9:09

Yep, fabricated. Tanner's evidence of this man is as credible as the Iraq dodgy dossier.
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Re: Did Jane Tanner fabricate her sighting of a man carrying a child?

Post by MrsC on 30.07.15 9:35

I've never thought anything other than that her sighting was fabricated.


 I'm just surprised that there are people who might have believed it. huh

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Re: Did Jane Tanner fabricate her sighting of a man carrying a child?

Post by tigger on 30.07.15 9:35

Found this in the McCannfiles.com: 

Maddy's parents leave for Vatican Telegraph
 
By Richard Edwards and Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 2:10AM BST 02 Jun 2007
 
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Meanwhile detectives in Portugal investigating the disappearance of Madeleine faced renewed criticism yesterday when it emerged they had released conflicting accounts of the witness description of a man seen carrying a child outside the McCanns' holiday apartment at around the time Madeleine went missing.
 
It is understood that the witness, who had become friends with the McCanns during their holiday, told detectives that the man she had seen was around 5ft 7in but in a press conference given last Friday police issued a description of a man some three inches taller.
 
A police spokesman told Portuguese media the man they were looking for was around 1m 70cm (about 5ft 7in), but the English language description issued at the same time put his height at 5ft 10in. It is believed that an "administrative error" in converting measurements from metric to imperial led to the mistake.
 
"The police have made a mistake," a family source said yesterday. "It seems the details were lost in translation. What has happened is that police have given out the description of quite a tall man when they should have been talking about someone relatively short."
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Uncommonly good at estimating the height of a man quite a distance away (40 or 50 I thought - when there is no relative height to compare him to?) Did she do the quick pencil test? 


For a new best friend JT certainly did what she could. 

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Re: Did Jane Tanner fabricate her sighting of a man carrying a child?

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 30.07.15 9:52



According to Jane Tanner’s sketch at 3 is where Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins were supposed to have been stood talking. And at 4 is where Jane Tanner claims to have been when she claims to have seen the abductor crossing her path. However, according to Gerry McCann, he claims to have crossed over the road to talk to Jeremy Wilkins, and that would have been level with at 4. Bearing in mind neither Gerry McCann nor Jeremy Wilkins saw Jane Tanner at all.

It has been recorded that Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins became friendly at the resort. There is no record of Jane Tanner and Jeremy Wilkins having become friends. And yet, note how Jane Tanner has used the familiar “Jez”, the shortened form of Jeremy, to describe where she is supposed to have seen him talking to Gerry McCann. This would indicate that Gerry McCann in some way inappropriately put words into Jane Tanner’s mouth when she gave her evidence.

If Jane Tanner’s account was to be believed, she was on the same narrow footpath passing the two men talking, and Wilkins had a child in a buggy with him, and yet they failed to notice her? She failed to notice Jeremy Wilkins had the child in a buggy at the time. Given the narrowness of the footpath, either the two men would have had to make way to let her pass by, or she would have had to step on the road to pass by them. Jane Tanner fails to mention any of this. I find it unbelievable that she would walk past Gerry McCann without a greeting in passing.

http://hypocriteandliar.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/police-files-reveal-mccanns-and-tanners-lies/

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How do you think that proving she is a liar impacts on the McCanns' and the McCann Team's credibility? Not at all? A bit? A lot?

A lot! This might be worth a read

Madeleine McCann - without Jane Tanner's abductor the house of cards falls

http://www.zimbio.com/Gerry+McCann's+Blog/articles/KljQ9SHH2ZQ/Madeleine+McCann+without+Jane+Tanner+abductor

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Did Did Jane Tanner really see an abductor?
http://littlemissnothing.webs.com/janetanner.htm

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Contrary to initial claims (later recanted) by the McCanns that the front door was left unlocked it was in fact locked and was not used by the McCanns for fear of waking the children.

Forensics have disproved that the shutters were tampered with and equally disproved that no one exited through the window let alone someone carrying Madeleine, in fact the only fingerprint on the window/shutter was Kate McCanns.

This then leaves the unlocked patio door, admittedly left open by the McCanns.

Now here lies the problem with this little tale, the "abductor" neither entered nor left the apartment via the locked front door or the shuttered window, an impossibility.

Therefore any access by said abductor must have been through the patio door, but more importantly the patio door was the only point that an abductor could exit 5A.

If we go back and look at Tanner's sketch how then did the abductor exit the apartment through the patio door with McCann and Wilkins stood where they were and miraculously appear walking across the top of road from point five to point eight?

The answer therefore is quite obvious, he didn't, it's quite impossible, Jane Tanner is, like the rest of this sorry bunch, an out and out liar.

http://goodqualitywristbands.blogspot.com/2008/08/jane-tanner-liar.html

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Jane Tanner changes her story again.?
According to the Daily Mail, A member of the "McCann circle" says that the man Jane Tanner saw carrying a child in a blanket, (oh no she later changed it to carrying a child in pink pyjamas) now, instead of turning towards the beach as she first claimed he turned to walk up the hill towards Robert Murats villa. This is the man that noone else saw despite other people being on the path Tanner claims the man took. Which version if any do you believe?
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Re: Did Jane Tanner fabricate her sighting of a man carrying a child?

Post by worriedmum on 30.07.15 10:30

isn't the important question ''WHY?''
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Post by Guest on 30.07.15 12:33

What never ceases to amaze me is, that Gerry et al did NOT run after the supposed abductor immediately upon hearing about him from Jane;

Inexplicable.

Inexcusable.

Interesting.

Says it all, really
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Post by worriedmum on 30.07.15 12:38

@Portia wrote:What never ceases to amaze me is, that Gerry et al did NOT run after the supposed abductor immediately upon hearing about him from Jane;

Inexplicable.

Inexcusable.

Interesting.

Says it all, really
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Post by Guest on 30.07.15 12:46

Another little riddle is, why the PJ/GNR did not act upon the information provided to them in writing on the cut-off cardboard!

They must have been able to see that a man had been reported walking into a given direction carrying a child.
Why on Earth did they not immediately haul in Jane and do an impromptu reconstruction, going after that man having established the direction he went?

What kept them from doing so? 

Why did not the parents point out Janes observation to them right away: Look, officer, my friend here just saw a man walking off with a child! That direction, if you please! I'm coming with you. No, we're all coming with you! Look, here's the carton we wrote it all down on when you came in and ripped it right out of our hands: and here's our friend Jane who will repeat her story to you and come with you'.

'But don't tell my wife I told you: she's not to be disturbed by the sighting and the information, so let's keep her in the dark for tonight won't we, hey, officer?'
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Post by tigger on 30.07.15 13:12

@Portia wrote:Another little riddle is, why the PJ/GNR did not act upon the information provided to them in writing on the cut-off cardboard!

They must have been able to see that a man had been reported walking into a given direction carrying a child.
Why on Earth did they not immediately haul in Jane and do an impromptu reconstruction, going after that man having established the direction he went?

What kept them from doing so? 

Why did not the parents point out Janes observation to them right away: Look, officer, my friend here just saw a man walking off with a child! That direction, if you please! I'm coming with you. No, we're all coming with you! Look, here's the carton we wrote it all down on when you came in and ripped it right out of our hands: and here's our friend Jane who will repeat her story to you and come with you'.

'But don't tell my wife I told you: she's not to be disturbed by the sighting and the information, so let's keep her in the dark for tonight won't we, hey, officer?'

 iirc Kate wasn't informed until the next morning - Jane didn't want to tell her as it might upset her.... logic isn't a big issue for most of the Tapas 9. I believe she mentioned it to Gerry during the night but then we are wondering how the event was part of the timeline impounded by the PJ well before 02.00 ...

Must say if I lost my cat and somebody didn't want to say she saw somebody  walking around with a cat which looked awfully like mine, but didn't tell me for fear of upsetting me whilst I was already so upset about losing my cat and then hearing that she saw said cat being carried.... actually Jane would have had a life expectancy of maybe five minutes if she finally gave me the news eight hours later...

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Re: Did Jane Tanner fabricate her sighting of a man carrying a child?

Post by Guest on 30.07.15 13:37

[quote="tigger"][quote="Portia"]Another little riddle is, why the PJ/GNR did not act upon the information provided to them in writing on the cut-off cardboard!

They must have been able to see that a man had been reported walking into a given direction carrying a child.
Why on Earth did they not immediately haul in Jane and do an impromptu reconstruction, going after that man having established the direction he went?

What kept them from doing so? 

Why did not the parents point out Janes observation to them right away: Look, officer, my friend here just saw a man walking off with a child! That direction, if you please! I'm coming with you. No, we're all coming with you! Look, here's the carton we wrote it all down on when you came in and ripped it right out of our hands: and here's our friend Jane who will repeat her story to you and come with you'.

'But don't tell my wife I told you: she's not to be disturbed by the sighting and the information, so let's keep her in the dark for tonight won't we, hey, officer?'[/quote]

 iirc Kate wasn't informed until the next morning - Jane didn't want to tell her as it might upset her.... logic isn't a big issue for most of the Tapas 9. I believe she mentioned it to Gerry during the night but then we are wondering how the event was part of the timeline impounded by the PJ well before 02.00 ...

Must say if I lost my cat and somebody didn't want to say she saw somebody  walking around with a cat which looked awfully like mine, but didn't tell me for fear of upsetting me whilst I was already so upset about losing my cat and then hearing that she saw said cat being carried.... actually Jane would have had a life expectancy of maybe five minutes if she finally gave me the news eight hours later...[/quote]

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Quite.

How odd no one took her to task.
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Post by worriedmum on 30.07.15 14:18

Portia 'How odd no one took her to task''...

But they all knew too....

They were helping to write the time-line

If my baby had disappeared and my husband had this information and didn't go tearing down the street knocking on every door, shouting her name and turning over every garden in the vicinity, and most of all didn't tell me so that I could act on the information myself whilst the trail was fresh, I would be out of my mind with anger with him.


I would certainly not want to go jogging, hold hands on the beach and grip his thigh in interviews.....
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Post by BlueBag on 30.07.15 15:34

@worriedmum wrote:
@Portia wrote:What never ceases to amaze me is, that Gerry et al did NOT run after the supposed abductor immediately upon hearing about him from Jane;

Inexplicable.

Inexcusable.

Interesting.

Says it all, really
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Absolutely.
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Post by suzyjohnson on 30.07.15 15:46

On top of which Tannerman doesn't act like a real person. He doesn't look right to see if there's any traffic as he crosses the road. He doesn't see or hear Jane advancing towards him and only a few yards away, or if he does he doesn't speed up at all, from the drawing he's only going as fast as Jane in her flip flops. He doesn't look to see if anyone has noticed him departing up the road with someone else's child. He doesn't hear Gerry and Jez talking. 

He just walks, arms outstretched like some kind of zombie.

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Post by MRNOODLES on 30.07.15 16:14

@suzyjohnson wrote:On top of which Tannerman doesn't act like a real person. He doesn't look right to see if there's any traffic as he crosses the road. He doesn't see or hear Jane advancing towards him and only a few yards away, or if he does he doesn't speed up at all, from the drawing he's only going as fast as Jane in her flip flops. He doesn't look to see if anyone has noticed him departing up the road with someone else's child. He doesn't hear Gerry and Jez talking. 

He just walks, arms outstretched like some kind of zombie.

She had to say that to explain how see noticed the child.  If they were carrying a child like a normal person.  You wouldn't be able to see what the person was carrying for sure, could have been anything eg sack of spuds, bag of washing or bucket of bullsh*t.
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Post by suzyjohnson on 30.07.15 16:16

Supposing Jane had been asked to invent a sighting of a man carrying a child as she checked on her children ........

There were actually three occasions on the evening of 3 rd May when she could have done so .......

1) As she walked round to the apartments at 9.15 pm. Had she chosen this time she would have seen Gerry and Jez talking (Jez of course being an independent witness) then she would have seen a man walking across the top of the road (as described) 

2) On her way back to the tapas restaurant at around 9.20 or 9.25 pm. Had she chosen this time she would have seen only the back of the man walking away from her, and possibly the legs and feet of a child, on the other side of the road. As she turned the corner she might have seen Jez still talking to Gerry or alternately the road might have been empty by this time. In that case, Gerry would have already returned to the tapas, but Jane would narrowly have missed Jez returning to his own apartment (and Jez of course would have bumped straight into Tannerman)
 
3) As she walked back round to the apartments at around 9.45 pm so that Russell could go back to the tapas to finish his meal. At this time the road would have been deserted except for the man crossing the road ahead with the child.

Easy to get mixed up with all the confusion.

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Post by suzyjohnson on 30.07.15 17:59

Further to option 3) she could have said she had seen Tannerman carrying the child and walking away from her had she looked right when she reached the top of the road at around 9.45 pm, before turning left herself.

If the Tannerman story had been contrived by several members of the tapas group, then others could have been expecting Tanner to say she had spotted Tannerman at 9.45 pm instead of 9.15 pm.

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Post by Spacecowboy on 01.08.15 2:15

Gerry insinuated that Jez Wilkins was stood on the pavement on the opposite side of the street to Jane Tanner. He recalled ''looking up'' to Jez who is 6ft 3 inches according to Gerry, bearing in mind Jez's height and the height of the curb (about 3 inches), Jez had an unobstructed view of the other of the street.
Jez doesn't remember seeing Jane and Jane doesn't mention greeting Gerry or Jez, Tannerman is revealed to the public 5 and half months later.
Jane Tanner told Panorama that ''I'' meaning she carried the child across her chest, so she presumed most people would carry a child horizontally across the chest, hence the image of Tannerman doing exactly that. Carrying a child horizontally across the chest (up the stairs) in your own home is feasible, but why would a person who abducted a child carry a child that way ( child's face unconcealed) in public yards away from the apartment the child was allegedly abducted from? makes no sense whatsoever.
Jane Tanner should be charged for perverting the course of justice.
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Post by Casey5 on 01.08.15 15:39

I'm pretty sure Jez Wilkins says he was on the same side of the road as the apartment 5A, Gerry moves the meeting to the other side of the road because it would be farcical to admit to being on the same side of the path as Jane Tanner as neither men admit to seeing her at all. Thus Gerry protects himself whilst dropping Jane Tanner in it and creating confusion with the meeting with Jez, but as Gerry says confusion is good.
I think it's odd that he doesn't appear to interrogate his good friend Matt Oldfield as he was the last known male who claims to have been in the apartment - neatly sidestepping seeing Madeleine, phew, wouldn't like to be the last person to see her oh no- wouldn't Matt be the obvious choice of suspect to Kate and Gerry? Wouldn't it have been natural for Gerry, a rough Glaswegian, to pin him up against the wall and ask him what he had done to his daughter? No questions asked apparently.
It's all so false.

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