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Was the "Last Photo" taken on the FIRST Day?

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Re: Was the "Last Photo" taken on the FIRST Day?

Post by Tony Bennett on 12.07.15 9:06

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:@ Nuala.

I honestly don't know the answer but will state the following facts:

22nd May CM arrives in PDL with GM.
23rd/24th May the last photo is released.
Here are some more facts, from pp. 151-2 of 'madeleine', by Dr Kate McCann [2011, hardback]:

"Tuesday 22 May...In the evening, Gerry's sister Phil flew in from Glasgow. It was so good to see her. From the first hours after Madeleine's disappearance, Phil[omena] had been our linchpin at home, co-ordinating family, friends, other helpers and the media and campaigning tirelessly. We had dinner together..."

On Sunday [20 May] Gerry McCann flew back to England. Unable to present the police with any of Madeleine's DNA to the Portuguese Police, he had to go back to Rothley and find an item with Madeleine's DNA on it. On the Monday, he had a round of meetings with the British police and security services in London.

Whilst in England, he would have had every opportunity to have met up with a real photoshopping expert within his family - the husband of his sister, Philomena McCann, Tony Rickwood.    

Thanks to the efforts of Madeleine McCann researchers, we have established that Rickwood is an experienced photoshopper, specialising in producing images - both still and moving - of naked or near-naked women drowning in mud. This perverted activity is known as 'the quicksand fetish'. Some of those images were briefly reproduced on the forum.

Only suggesting possibilities, nothing more, but...

It would be very easy for Gerry, on his visit to England, to have met up with Tony Rickwood, and handed him a camera memory card with the 'Last Photo' on it. Rickwood could have quietly altered the metadata on that image from, say for the sake of argument, Sunday 29 April, to read: '2.29pm, 3rd May'.

All that would then be needed would be for Philomena to pop the altered memory card into her handbag, fly to Faro Airport with it on Tuesday 22 May, and hand it to Gerry and his advisers and minders.

They would then take the memory card to a photographic and/or press agency and require the agency to broadcast the 'Last Photo' across the planet, tagged with the caption: 'Taken at 2.29pm, 3rd July, tragic last photo of Madeleine by the pool'.

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Post by PeterMac on 12.07.15 9:54

And we remember that Mitchell was very insistent that we all looked at the time, with all that Mitchell guff about it being a hour out, because they hadn't re-set it to Portuguese time (which is incidentlaly the same as UK !)
In other words look at the time and the DATE !

How much more blatant and crass and obvious do they have to be ?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.07.15 10:25

@PeterMac wrote:And we remember that Mitchell was very insistent that we all looked at the time, with all that Mitchell guff about it being a hour out, because they hadn't re-set it to Portuguese time (which is incidentlaly the same as UK !)
In other words look at the time and the DATE !

How much more blatant and crass and obvious do they have to be ?
This...?

From 'madeleine', by Dr Kate McCann, pp. 65-6 [2011, hardback]

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"Some images are etched for all time on my brain. Madeleine that lunchtime is one of them. She was wearing an outfit I’d bought especially for the holiday: a peach-coloured smock top from Gap and some white broderie-anglaise shorts from Monsoon – a small extravagance, perhaps, but I’d pictured how lovely she would look in them and I’d been right. She was striding ahead of Fiona and me, swinging her bare arms to and fro.

"The weather was a little on the cool side and I remember thinking I should have bought a cardigan for her, although she seemed oblivious of the temperature, just happy and carefree. I was following her with my eyes, admiring her. I wonder now, the nausea rising in my throat, if someone else was doing the same…We went the play area, which was such a hit with our three that they never seemed to get fed up with it. We then sat around the toddler pool for a while, dipping our feet in, and I took what has turned out to be my last photograph to date [sic] of Madeleine.

"Heartbreaking as it is for me to look at it now, it encapsulates the essence of Madeleine: so beautiful and so happy. Together we took Sean and Amelie back to the Toddler Club at around 2.40pm and dropped Madeleine off with the Minis ten minutes later…"

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Post by Nuala on 12.07.15 10:29

@ lj

Changing something on paper is different than changing metadata.

Yes it is, and the work that went into changing the booking sheets, for example, was quite considerable.

Changing the metadata on a photo though is easy. If you have a look here:

http://www.labnol.org/software/exif-data-editors/14210/

Quote from that page:

You may be a bit surprised but Windows Explorer is actually a wonderful Exif editor. Just right click any image file, choose Properties and click the Details tab. You can now edit a wide range of metadata associated with that image from the camera model to the shooting date to copyright information and more.

I just did this with one of my photos and it took 3 minutes to change date and camera model.

Maybe there was no-one in the "inner" group who they could ask.

There were enough people involved in presenting a certain scenario to the world, for one of them to take 3 mins to change the date on a photo.

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Re: Was the "Last Photo" taken on the FIRST Day?

Post by Nuala on 12.07.15 10:36

@ Tony Bennett

It would be very easy for Gerry, on his visit to England, to have met up with Tony Rickwood, and handed him a camera memory card with the 'Last Photo' on it. Rickwood could have quietly altered the metadata on that image from, say for the sake of argument, Sunday 29 April, to read: '2.29pm, 3rd May'.

I would suggest that paragraph should read:

It would be very easy for Gerry, on his visit to England, to have met up with Tony Rickwood, and handed him a camera memory card with the 'Last Photo' on it. Rickwood could have quietly altered the photo using photoshop or some other professional editing tool.

Unfortuntely for Mr Rickwood, assuming it was indeed him who faked the photo, he forgot the reflection in GM's sunglasses, and his mistake is now forever immortalised.

Changing the date and time of a photo doesn't require any expertise, and certainly doesn't need an expert photoshopper, anyone can do it, even a non-techie could do it easily. It doesn't take three weeks, just three minutes.

Please see my post above smilie

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Post by PeterMac on 12.07.15 10:50

@Nuala wrote:
Changing the date and time of a photo doesn't require any expertise, and certainly doesn't need an expert photoshopper, anyone can do it, even a non-techie could do it easily. It doesn't take three weeks, just three minutes.
It requires the knowledge that you can do it.
Three minutes - once you have the photo in your possession

GM to UK 20/5/7
GM and CM to Pdl 22/5/7
PM to PdL 22/5/7
Photo to AFP 23/5/7
Photo to world 24/5/7

It is a big photo, and trying to send it on line in 2007 from Pdl would have taken a long time, if indeed it was possible.
Hotmail had a limit of 5mB until very recently.

But we have done all this before on a very long thread.

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Re: Was the "Last Photo" taken on the FIRST Day?

Post by Nuala on 12.07.15 11:19

@ PeterMac

But we have done all this before on a very long thread.

My apologies, I didn't realise. I haven't done all this before though, so please excuse me if I continue. If everyone is tired of the subject they can just ignore me smilie

Three minutes - once you have the photo in your possession

But they did have it in their possession.

My understanding was that the theory is that the Last Photo was taken on 29th Apr and the date changed.

If that's the case, then they did have it in their possession, having been taken on 29th Apr it was on their camera and all they had to do was transfer it to a PC in PdL and change the date.

OC had computers, so that's not a problem.

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Post by BlueBag on 12.07.15 11:37

It is my understanding that one of the cameras was never examined by the PJ and that was the one with the pool picture.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong (Peter Mac).

The late appearance of the pool photo could have been at a point where it was safer to do this - ie. the memory card was no longer in Portugal?
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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 12.07.15 12:01

@BlueBag wrote:It is my understanding that one the cameras was never examined by the PJ and that was the one with the pool picture.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong (Peter Mac).

The late appearance of the pool photo could have been at a point where it was safer to do this - ie. the memory card was no longer in Portugal?

One area where GA/PJ are kicking themselves in hindsight is not requesting the cameras themselves. Instead they seem only to have requested the images/photos only and TM took that literally when GM/MW dutifully delivered the CD/DVDs on the 8th.

In fact, I don't believe the PJ had any camera in their physical possession?

The Olympus was handled by Hampshire Police and a CD of pictures was compiled and via LP eventually made its way to the PJ. The Canon we know they never got their hands on, the nannies Kodak printer/camera disappeared up a mountain and I still haven't seen any evidence of whether any of the other three couples+DW had a camera.
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Post by Mo on 12.07.15 12:23

Copied from Diane Webster's rogatory statement


Reply    ”Oh no, no not at all.”
 4078    ”Okay, so you’ve been back to the Tapas and you’ve collected bits and pieces that people have left lying around. You mentioned a camera, or cameras, had there been many photos taken that evening?”
 Reply    ”Err there hadn’t, I don’t think there’d been any taken that evening and I think err I can’t remember who, it was either, it was either Kate or err Rachael, it might have been Kate, who’d brought their camera because they hadn’t taken any photographs err at all in the evening. I think I was the only one that ever took any photographs in the evening and that was about the second night we were there, I just took pictures of everybody sitting round the table but I didn’t get any of he surrounding areas err but because we hadn’t been really sat there that long no pictures were taken.”

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Post by Nuala on 12.07.15 12:44

With thanks to @ Mo for the quote from DW's statement:

I think I was the only one that ever took any photographs in the evening and that was about the second night we were there, I just took pictures of everybody sitting round the table

And yet, none of those photos has ever been seen.

There has never been a photo of the T9 eating at Tapas in the evening, even though according to DW some were taken.

In fact, there has never been a photo of anyone eating at Tapas in the evening of that week.

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 12.07.15 12:45

Good find Mo.

So that confirms two cameras one of which was DW's. She said this in her original 4th May statement:

At the time described above she remained about 10 minutes in the apartment. After this time she returned to the restaurant to get her handbag as well as the camera of the couple McCANN and "baby monitor" of her daughter, and was soon back again in the apartment.

This is interesting:

I think I was the only one that ever took any photographs in the evening and that was about the second night we were there, I just took pictures of everybody sitting round the table

I've had a quick look but can't see any of these pictures in the holiday photo list in the PJ files?
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Re: Was the "Last Photo" taken on the FIRST Day?

Post by Tony Bennett on 12.07.15 14:41

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:It is my understanding that one the cameras was never examined by the PJ and that was the one with the pool picture.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong (Peter Mac).

The late appearance of the pool photo could have been at a point where it was safer to do this - ie. the memory card was no longer in Portugal?

One area where GA/PJ are kicking themselves in hindsight is not requesting the cameras themselves. Instead they seem only to have requested the images/photos only and TM took that literally when GM/MW dutifully delivered the CD/DVDs on the 8th.

In fact, I don't believe the PJ had any camera in their physical possession?

The Olympus was handled by Hampshire Police and a CD of pictures was compiled and via LP eventually made its way to the PJ. The Canon we know they never got their hands on, the nanny's Kodak printer/camera disappeared up a mountain and I still haven't seen any evidence of whether any of the other three couples + DW had a camera.
I think the above is correct.

One interesting thing is to look at the PJ photos taken on the night of 3/4 May and see, right in the middle of the table in the lounge, the Canon camera.

We know from Tavares de Almeida's interim report and of course GA's book that the PJ believed that the 'crime scene', viz., the children's bedroom, had been carefully arranged. 

If that was all planned and arranged well beforehand, then can the camera placed on the middle of the table just be one of those things.

Or could it have been deliberately placed there (but with the memory card removed and replaced), as means of saying: "Look! We've nothing to hide. See! We've just left our camera casually on the table".

Was there a team working on both the Canon and the Olympus before 3rd May, erasing or removing any problematic evidence?

And if there was a team working on those memory cards, maybe those 6" x 4" pics of Madeleine were not hastily produced on the night, courtesy of the printer of Amy Tierney's boyfriend, but had been prepared in advance.

Returning for a moment to the Olympus, it was sent to England on Tuesday 8 May for analysis, and examined by D.C. Martin on Wednesday 9 May. That raises these 18 questions, among others:

1. Whose camera was it?

2. Who retained this camera before it was sent to Hampshire for analysis?

3. Who examined it before it was sent to Hampshire?

4. Who did the camera owner (the Paynes, or Gerry and Kate McCann) give the camera to, so that it could be sent to Hampshire?

5. Was it ever given to the Portuguese police? [The answer is No, I think]

6. Did the Portuguese police authorise these photos to be examined in England? - or were they simply told after the event?

7. Who gave the order for the camera to be taken to England?

8. Who physically took it to Hampshire?

9. Did they travel alone?

10. When did he/they travel?

11. When was the police officer who examined the camera, Stuart William Martin, first told about his having to perform this task?

12. When was the camera brought to him?

13. By whom?

14. What briefing did he have?

15. Who gave him that briefing?

16. Who did he give the camera back to?

17. What happened to the camera after that?

18. Did a police officer bring it back to Kate McCann?

This point has also been made elsewhere:

On Thursday 10 May Kate was in the police station most of the day, waiting to be interviewed and was said to have ‘played with the camera’, making detailed notes about all the images and working out a time-line of the holiday, thus:

“… I made use of the long wait I anticipated by sitting down with a notebook, pen and my camera, containing dated photographs of the holiday, and trying to write a detailed account of everything that had happened the week before.
I am not clear in my mind which camera Kate had in her hand that day, I assume it was the Canon? 

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 12.07.15 15:20

A couple of points Tony before I think about other details in your post.

1, The Olympus was the Foster family camera and was back in England by the 5th May I think? The Fosters contacted LP on the 8th or 7th of May (reading between the lines of the files!) who then arranged for Hampshire police ( Fosters local police) to collect the camera/memory cards as well has a Sony camcorder. These are then delivered to DCI Martin by PC Barham at 21:00 on the 8th May.

I believe the Olympus is a red herring as it was the only camera that was investigated and recorded in the PJ files 'by the book' if you like. Probably because it is completely irrelevant to the case.  

2, If you believe DW's first statement the Canon camera (if it is the McCanns) was collected from the Tapas table after she went to 5a to see what was happening. So 20-30 Minutes? after the alarm is raised DW takes the Canon camera and places it on the table as we see in the GNR photo. Or gives it to someone who does.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.07.15 15:34

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:A couple of points Tony before I think about other details in your post.

1, The Olympus was the Foster family camera and was back in England by the 5th May I think? The Fosters contacted LP on the 8th or 7th of May (reading between the lines of the files!) who then arranged for Hampshire police ( Fosters local police) to collect the camera/memory cards as well has a Sony camcorder. These are then delivered to DCI Martin by PC Barham at 21:00 on the 8th May.

I believe the Olympus is a red herring as it was the only camera that was investigated and recorded in the PJ files 'by the book' if you like. Probably because it is completely irrelevant to the case.  
Thank you very much. You have probably answered some of my questions already. 

So of all these pictures recorded here:
 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm

(116, I think)...most of these, then, are NOT from the Foster's Olympus, but are from a disk or memory card or whatever compiled by the McCanns and/or their advisers - would that be correct?

And some from the Paynes' camera are also included, right?

There remains, then, issues as to who complied this assemblage of photos, their origin (which camera they come from), who in Portugal and England authorised and arranged this examination by a Hampshire policeman, and so on 

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 12.07.15 15:52

That is my position at the minute Tony. The only coincidence in all this is that CDs delivered by GM/MW and the email to arrange the collection of the Foster cameras was on the same day 8th May.

Also a poster over MMM I think? pointed out that in DC Martins report all items he checked were referenced beginning with 'NALF'. They are, I believe, Mr Fosters initials.....
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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.07.15 16:27

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:That is my position at the minute Tony. The only coincidence in all this is that CDs delivered by GM/MW and the email to arrange the collection of the Foster cameras was on the same day 8th May.

Also a poster over MMM I think? pointed out that in DC Martins report all items he checked were referenced beginning with 'NALF'. They are, I believe, Mr Fosters initials.....
Is this possible? >>>>

R C Martin was handed a camera and a disk (or disks) and told that both they belonged to Mr N A L Foster?

He presumably had no knowledge of what source or sources had been used to compile the disk(s)?

There is this report in the files:

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To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation
From: Hugo Ferreira, Inspector
Subject: Annexing of photographic stills to the process files

I am pleased to inform you that
today we were given photographic stills taken during the holiday period in Portugal from 28th April by the English families that compose the group that Madeleine Beth was with, so that they can be annexed to the process files. 

Signed: Inspector Hugo Ferreira
 
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On 9 May, Inspector Ricardp Pavia writes two notes:

On this date, I state that the photographs contained on a CD delivered to this police force by Michael Wright, a relation of the McCann couple, relating to the holiday period that the McCann family spent at the Ocean Club in PdL, beginning on the 28th April 2007.

The visualisation and analysis of these images that was carried out reveals that there are several photographs of interest to the investigation, in which it is possible to visualise Madeleine McCann, as well as different adults and children that made up the group of friends who were on holiday together with the McCann couple in PdL, which is why these photographs, joined to the report, were printed.

Portimao, 09 May 2007

AND

On this date, I state that the photographs contained on a CD delivered to this police force by Gerald McCann have been visualised and analysed, some of them are from the holiday period that the McCann family spent at the Ocean Club in PdL, beginning on the 28th April 2007.

The visualisation and analysis of these images that was carried out reveals that there are several photographs of interest to the investigation, in which it is possible to visualise Madeleine McCann.

Portimao, 09 May 2007


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There are these flle notes in the PJ Files which I'm not sure how to interpret:

File notes - 9 May:

PDF Apenso Desc.

12  549    Analysis of CD delivered by GM
13  550    Analysis of CD delivered by M Wright
14  551     Image grouping index: (1) Apartments; (2) Ocean Club; (3) Beach
15  552     Blank page
16  553    Receipt of images dated 8 May
17  554     Receipt of images dated 8 May (same words; different signature) 
18  555     Blank page


Nor can I understand where this description of the 'playground photo' in the files comes from:

Family handout photo dated 02/05/2007 of 
Gerry McCann playing with his children (left to right) Madeleine and Sean (laughing) the day before Madeleine went missing on the evening of May 3.

Who wrote that description and when?

And what about this very specific description of Madeleine outside the Wendy House:

Page 588- 
MBM taken in Portugal at 17:15 on Wednesday May 2, 2007

Once again, who wrote that description, and when?



Most of us have thought, with good reason, that both the above photos were taken on Day One, Saturday late afternoon/early evening

Were these two photos and the 'Last Photo' taken on the same camera?


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Finally, it seems that Gerry McCann, Michael Wright and Alex Woolfall, and maybe others, were busy uploading photos onto two disks.

It's pretty clear, isn't it, that the so-called 'Last Photo' was deliberately withheld from these two disks? 







































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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 12.07.15 17:22

At the top of the Holiday photo PDF there is this:

TRANSLATION BY ALBYM
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hey are my own descriptions, and yes, almost all of the B&W (non-grey scale) images do not readily permit identification of the individual. They were created for the PDF using what is is known as 'pure Black and White' scanning/printing - there are no other colours whatsoever in the images.

I take that the descriptions are by ALBYM.
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Post by Nuala on 12.07.15 17:35

@ Tony Bennett

There are these flle notes in the PJ Files which I'm not sure how to interpret:

File notes - 9 May:
 
PDF Apenso Desc.
 
12  549    Analysis of CD delivered by GM

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_549.jpg

13  550    Analysis of CD delivered by M Wright
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_550.jpg

14  551     Image grouping index: (1) Apartments; (2) Ocean Club; (3) Beach
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_551.jpg

15  552     Blank page
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_552.jpg

16  553    Receipt of images dated 8 May
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_553.jpg

17  554     Receipt of images dated 8 May (same words; different signature)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_554.jpg

18  555     Blank page
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_555.jpg

I have inserted the links to the pages for you into the above.

They all come from here:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/OUSTROS_APENSOS_3_8.htm

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Re: Was the "Last Photo" taken on the FIRST Day?

Post by Tony Bennett on 12.07.15 17:36

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:At the top of the Holiday photo PDF there is this:

TRANSLATION BY ALBYM
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hey are my own descriptions, and yes, almost all of the B&W (non-grey scale) images do not readily permit identification of the individual. They were created for the PDF using what is is known as 'pure Black and White' scanning/printing - there are no other colours whatsoever in the images.

I take that the descriptions are by ALBYM.
You and I are looking at the same document.

I thought that the descriptions in black were by Albym but the few descriptions that appear in that document in blue were perhaps supplied with the disks and therefore appear not to be by Albym.

Else, for example, how would Albym KNOW for sure that the photo of Madeleine outside the Wendy house was taken at precisely 17.15pm on Wednesday 2 May? (which many of us say it was not). 

Would you agree with me that such a description MUST have come from whoever supplied the disks and NOT from Albym?

If I am wrong, please tell me

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Re: Was the "Last Photo" taken on the FIRST Day?

Post by Tony Bennett on 12.07.15 17:40

@Nuala wrote:@ Tony Bennett

There are these flle notes in the PJ Files which I'm not sure how to interpret:

File notes - 9 May:
 
PDF Apenso Desc.
 
12  549    Analysis of CD delivered by GM

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_549.jpg

13  550    Analysis of CD delivered by M Wright
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_550.jpg

14  551     Image grouping index: (1) Apartments; (2) Ocean Club; (3) Beach
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_551.jpg

15  552     Blank page
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_552.jpg

16  553    Receipt of images dated 8 May
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_553.jpg

17  554     Receipt of images dated 8 May (same words; different signature)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_554.jpg

18  555     Blank page
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/OA3_8/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_555.jpg

I have inserted the links to the pages for you into the above.

They all come from here:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/OUSTROS_APENSOS_3_8.htm
OK, thank you, but let me get right to the point.

Does the above mean we are looking at THREE separate items of data that were delivered to D C Martin, the Hampshire Police Officer? - namely:

1. A disk supplied by Gerry McCann
2. A disk supplied by Martin Wright, and
3. Other images, 'dated 8 May'?

And if so, what are those 'other images' supplied on 8 May please?

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Re: Was the "Last Photo" taken on the FIRST Day?

Post by Nuala on 12.07.15 17:49

@ Tony Bennett

Does the above mean we are looking at THREE separate items of data that were delivered to D C Martin, the Hampshire Police Officer? - namely:

1. A disk supplied by Gerry McCann
2. A disk supplied by Martin Wright, and
3. Other images, 'dated 8 May'?


No, what's dated 8th May is the receipts for the disks delivered by GM and MW.

So there are only two items of data, plus a receipt for each item.

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Re: Was the "Last Photo" taken on the FIRST Day?

Post by Nuala on 12.07.15 17:59

@ Tony Bennett

Else, for example, how would Albym KNOW for sure that the photo of Madeleine outside the Wendy house was taken at precisely 17.15pm on Wednesday 2 May? (which many of us say it was not).

I imagine, and please note this is an assumption because I don't know for sure, that TM gave the dates and timings.

If you scroll down this page:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm

You will find full colour photos next to the corresponding black and white ones. The full colour ones would have come from TM I imagine. When you get down to photo 608 you will see a full colour version of the playground photo with a note that it was a family handout photo dated 02/05/2007, so I assume any others were also given out by the family.

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Re: Was the "Last Photo" taken on the FIRST Day?

Post by PeterMac on 12.07.15 18:04

What they forgot is that the Met Office reports and many other photos taken by other holiday makers during that week show conclusively that most of the dates and times given
for photos allegedly taken by the McCanns are wrong.
Forgeries, or Lies in fact.

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Re: Was the "Last Photo" taken on the FIRST Day?

Post by Nuala on 12.07.15 18:08

@ PeterMac

Do you know what the weather was like in PdL around the 18th May 2007?

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