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Post by willowthewisp on 04.07.15 13:04

Mr Cameron and friends, Gove, Letwin are not producing answers to "freedom of information requests" questions raised by reporters wanting to find out what is happening to monies obtained from the public with regard to the charity Missing kids?
After reading the Spectator article, it would seem as though a lot of money being generated by the public to be used in good causes, where the funding raised covers nearly seventy five percent is utilised as expenditure, leaving the lowest quarter to be used for the charity?
Not bad work if you can get it from the Government on a yearly basis?
Something wrong  somewhere when a person's home is sold and the money donated to a charity is not clearly accountable(feeding children) which is also covered from Government funds for that purpose?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 04.07.15 13:18

In the charity’s annual reports, the numbers increased from 13,500 in 2008 to 16,500 in 2010 before jumping to an astonishing 36,000 the next year. That figure of 36,000 has been used in Kids Company literature ever since, but some ex-staff members have questioned it.
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The 'CEO' of Kids Company was on Newsnight, last night, and almost the first 'thing' out of her mouth, was THAT 36,000 'figure'

When 'challenged' about 'the 36,000' figure, 'obscuration and avoidance' KICKED IN, from the 'CEO'!


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Post by sallypelt on 09.07.15 23:01

Child sexual abuse charities have slammed a £2m Home Office fund, set up as part of Justice Lowell Goddard’s inquiry, labelling it a “stitch-up” that has left dozens of support groups facing closure. The sexual abuse victim support fund was announced by Theresa May to help struggling charities cope with the huge number of victims coming forward to give evidence to Britain’s biggest ever public inquiry, which began on Thursday.

Money from the £2m fund went to 34 charities with scores missing out and £170,148 – the second biggest single award – going to the charity Missing People, which has recently launched a helpline for sexual exploitation victims but does not specialise in helping child abuse survivors.
“That was a scandal. I’m furious about it. That was our lifeline and now we’re all in crisis,” said Gillian Finch, founder of the Hampshire-based charity Cisters, which offers counselling to women who have been sexually abused by a member of their family in childhood.
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The £2m fund was managed by Norfolk’s police and crime commissioner’s office as part of a £4.85m Home Office grant for abuse charities. Out of a total 299 bids, 77 were successful.
There is also anger that large sums were given to a handful of bigger well-established charities. The bosses of smaller charities complained that the National Association for People Abused in Childhood (Napac), for example, was given the largest single award – £177,441 – despite acting as a “signposting service” directing survivors to the underfunded charities.
“The Home Office has increased funding, and the Norfolk PCC funding should have helped out the specialist agencies providing these services but it didn’t,” said Fay Maxted OBE, chief executive of the Survivors Trust, a national umbrella group that represents 135 specialist abuse support groups across the UK.
She said: “It [funding] wasn’t awarded in the way that was most effective. A lot of agencies were disappointed that specialist agencies didn’t get funding. This has left them at risk. They haven’t had that funding and they’re still trying to cope with a huge increase in the number of people coming forward.
“The Home Office estimates the cost of sexual violence and abuse in billions – around £20bn. Think what proportion that £5m amounts to and it’s not a lot.”
A spokeswoman for Napac rejected the claim that it was “merely a signposting service”, saying the organisation also offered direct support to survivors through its confidential telephone helpline, its website and advocacy work.
The charity SupportLine could close within weeks, after missing out on £32,500 from the sexual abuse fund. Geri Burnikell, the charity’s coordinator, has written to the home secretary and justice minister demanding a review of the fund process, which was overseen by Home Office officials.
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“Our service is currently facing closure. We do not have money to pay our bills next month,” she said.
“The whole grants process needs to be looked at. The people who pushed to give Missing People charity money need to explain themselves – it is an absolute disgrace and an insult to every survivor.”

A spokesman for the Norfolk PCC office said smaller organisations fared well in the overall funding distribution.
He said: “All bids to both funds were subject to a robust and thorough assessment against a published set of criteria. Bids were subjected to an initial panel assessment by the Home Office against the published criteria and further scrutinised by a senior oversight board, chaired by the Police and Crime Commissioner for Norfolk, which made the final decisions.”
A spokeswoman for Missing People said it had launched a 24/7 telephone line for sexual exploitation victims and that demand for its services was growing significantly.
She said: “There is a very close link between a child repeatedly going missing and them being sexually exploited. At least 23% of the young people we support and safeguard are survivors of sexual abuse and/or continue to be at risk of sexual abuse. Research shows 70% of victims of child sexual exploitation have been missing.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/09/child-sexual-abuse-charities-face-closure-home-office-funding-stitch-up?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Post by Tony Bennett on 09.07.15 23:40

@Adrian5x5 wrote:I feel somewhat responsible for this thread! I first raised the issue , on Twitter, as early as May 21st of this year using the Twitter ID @adrian5x5. Please feel free to explore my T/L!

I am currently trying to establish exactly when Ricardo Firmino was 'Found' with little success. Whatever the answer to this question is it will obviously raise more questions. Given the lack of publicity surrounding Ricardo's case the only logical explanation is that he was found relatively quickly ie., within 24 hours. Why then have MP been advertising his case for approximately six months?

I would suggest that anyone who cares would 'Download a poster' and take note of the wording at the bottom.... "To help bring 'xxxxxx' to safety text 'hope' to 70707 to donate £3"

If "xxxxxx" is not actually missing, is this not fraud? I was able to download this poster as late as June 8th of this year, despite having been personally advised by a member of CEOP that Ricardo had been found at least by May 27th.

Can anyone here advise me how to proceed with an FOI to discover when Ricardo was located?

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Welcome to the forum and thank you for your input.

I was away from home for a few days when you made your post and have only just seen it.

Unfortunately Missing People is not subject to the Freedom of Information Act, which only covers arms of the government, local councils and other statutory bodies - not charities. It maybe that you have legitimate concerns which indeed ought to be reported to the Charities Commission, the body that oversees registered charities such as 'Missing People'.

I believe the government part funds Missing People with grant aid. If so, specific FOI Act questions could perhaps be asked of the government about those grants, e.g. how much they have been, what kind of assessment is carried out before making them, etc.

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2007 (28 June) Dr Gerry McCann: “I have no doubt we will be able to sustain a high profile for Madeleine’s disappearance in the long-term”.

2017 (February) Dr Kate McCannthrust into a global bidding war…news giants battle to sign her up for the 10th anniversary…offered huge bids…bombarded with offers…30 sitting on the table…getting new bids every other day…one told Kate and Gerry: ‘Name your price!’
                        

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Post by tigger on 10.07.15 10:56

@ JeanMonroe - so the missing person who didn't want to be found is to date one of the few successes of MP et al? 

It's all very well coming out with random (and rather round numbers) such as 36000 missing people but what about the statistics of found people? 
How are they found? I have a feeling that they are not so much found as had to return to their family for economic reasons. 

What exactly is the percentage of people found by MP? compared to the number they say are lost or missing? 

Their statistics are rubbish and the only time I've seen a MP executive manager or whatever is when he said they were there so that people who were frightened to phone the police could phone them instead. I'm of the opinion that those manning the phone(s) for MP are the volunteers mentioned in the accounts. So the enormous amount paid to the staff and ambassadors is hardly justified. 

I also suspect there are quite a few listed on the site who have been reported missing for no other reason than that it absolves those who report it from any other responsibilities. Such as parenting. 
I also feel that the payment of child benefit up to the age of 18? might be a factor. Just an idea, but I do personally know of a woman who kept her son at home until the benefit stopped. After that she lost interest.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 10.07.15 11:17

@Tigger

I think we are at 'cross purposes''

The '36,000' figure i refer to, is at Kids Company, (another 'charidy') not MP ('charidy').

'(see my 'earlier' posts, in this thread, on KC)

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t11419p70-missing-people-and-missingkids-a-ceops-site-posting-details-of-non-existent-person

MP 'staff' don't 'obstensibly' actually SEARCH FOR/FIND 'missing' people, they 'offer' tea and sympathy, to 'relatives' of said 'missing' people.

and 'pay' THEMSELVES, a whooping £1.71 MILLION pa to 'do so'!

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Post by tigger on 10.07.15 11:26

@jeanmonroe wrote:@Tigger

I think we are at 'cross purposes''

The '36,000' figure i refer to, is at Kids Company, not MP.

'(see my 'earlier' posts, in this thread, on KC)

MP 'staff' don't 'obstensibly' actually SEARCH FOR/FIND 'missing' people, they 'offer' tea and sympathy, to 'relatives' of said 'missing' people.

and 'pay' THEMSELVES, a whooping £1.71 MILLION pa to 'do so'!
I know but they are all intertwined and their sites are doubling up on the actual missing people/kids.  MP can say what they like, they give the impression on their site that they are looking for missing people. They even found a missing person, several times! (she ran away again)  Thanks to the campaign promoted by Kate McCann. 
There is no way they can justify their income from the Postcode Lottery if all they do is offer tea and sympathy. 

PeterMac worked out several years ago that GB should have only a few thousand people left  by 2020 if the missing stats (iirc a child goes missing every x minutes according to one of the 'charities') were true.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 10.07.15 12:03

@ Tigger

"There is no way they can justify their income from the Postcode Lottery..."
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Ah, the Postcode lottery.......'FRONTED' by Fiona 'i left my two kids, alone, in hotel room, and THEY GOT OUT, wandering the corridors, SCREAMING and CALLING for MUMMY, whilst i enjoyed dinner, OUT OF SIGHT' Phillips!

Ref: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/so-what-is-a-parent-to-do-474097

SO WHAT IS A PARENT TO DO?
Fiona Phillips 12/05/2007

TWO mums confided to me this week that their children had "incidents" on holiday after being left in kids' clubs.
I won't go into the cases for privacy reasons, but both involved childcare workers acting in an inappropriate way. It has affected family holidays and both mums blame themselves for leaving their children with strangers.
So to all the smug, judgmental parents who have questioned why Kate and Gerry McCann did not make use of the Mark Warner resort creche facilities, or employ babysitters for little Madeleine and her brother and sister while they ate in a restaurant just yards away - it could have happened to any of you.
I have no doubt that Mark Warner staff are perfectly professional, but as parents we do what we think is right for our children. And if the McCanns thought it was better to leave theirs sleeping in an apartment in a holiday resort chosen for its child-friendliness rather than placing a stranger in the same room as their precious toddlers, who's to say they're wrong?
Kate's mum Susan says: "You make a decision and think it's OK. This time it wasn't and Kate and Gerry must live with that."
The fact is, on holiday, away from the stresses and strains of daily life, and especially in a resort renowned for family holidays, we'd all be lulled into a sense that nothing can harm us.
We do things we might not do at home - there's no way the McCanns would have left their tots sleeping in their bedrooms while they went to the local restaurant back in Leicestershire.
We often left ours sleeping upstairs in a hotel room while we dined downstairs until one night, when they were two and five, we were told they were running up and down the landing screaming and calling for Mummy.
I have never felt so wretched - seeing two tear-stained faces looking questioningly at me as if to say "Why did you leave us?" is an image that has stayed with me.
Now we take them with us or leave them with babysitters - babysitters who are sometimes male, often complete strangers whose credentials we don't check.
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"Now we take them with us or leave them with babysitters - babysitters who are sometimes male, often complete strangers whose credentials we don't check."

"NOW we leave them with babysitters who are sometimes male, often complete strangers whose credentials we don't check."

MOTHER OF THE YEAR THEN!

EVEN KM would NOT 'leave' her kids with 'complete MALE strangers' (or any 'strangers', for that matter (Philomena Mc))

SHE 'preferred to check' on her TREE kids, all under 4 years of age, an HOUR and a HALF, AFTER, diliberately and consciously, ('willingly and knowingly' Philomena Mc)  'LEAVING' them, ALONE, in her diliberately UNLOCKED apartment, out of her sight!

FP IS, ALSO a feted 'embarrassdor', alongside that other 'MOTY', KM,  for, wait for it, WAIT FOR IT......................'MISSING PEOPLE' charidy!

Ta Dah!

"Wheels within wheels"!
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SO WHAT IS A PARENT TO DO? ('asks FP)

Erm, let me think,

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Ka-Ching! I KNOW! I KNOW!

"STAY IN WITH YOUR KIDS, AND PROTECT THEM, WITH YOUR LIFE, AND DON'T EVER LEAVE YOUR KIDS WITH 'UNCHECKED' BABYSITTER 'STRANGERS', INSTEAD OF STUFFING YOUR 'FISH' FACE, OUT OF SIGHT?"

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Post by jeanmonroe on 10.07.15 12:52

PeterMac worked out several years ago that GB should have only a few thousand people left  by 2020 if the missing stats (iirc a child goes missing every x minutes according to one of the 'charities') were true..
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I 'worked out' YEARS ago, that MP 'charidy' IS, imo, one of the 'biggest' er, 'scam' 'charidies' out 'there'

'need' £1.71 MILLION a year JUST to 'pay' erm, 'staff'!

But, to be fair, they do have quite a few 'competitors' vying for their 'title'!

CEO's 'pay', staff 'costs', at 'charidies' dosen't come 'cheap'.............'y'know'! winkwink

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Post by lj on 11.07.15 0:09

@jeanmonroe wrote:@ Tigger

"There is no way they can justify their income from the Postcode Lottery..."
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Ah, the Postcode lottery.......'FRONTED' by Fiona 'i left my two kids, alone, in hotel room, and THEY GOT OUT, wandering the corridors, SCREAMING and CALLING for MUMMY, whilst i enjoyed dinner, OUT OF SIGHT' Phillips!

Ref: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/so-what-is-a-parent-to-do-474097

SO WHAT IS A PARENT TO DO?
Fiona Phillips 12/05/2007

TWO mums confided to me this week that their children had "incidents" on holiday after being left in kids' clubs.
I won't go into the cases for privacy reasons, but both involved childcare workers acting in an inappropriate way. It has affected family holidays and both mums blame themselves for leaving their children with strangers.
So to all the smug, judgmental parents who have questioned why Kate and Gerry McCann did not make use of the Mark Warner resort creche facilities, or employ babysitters for little Madeleine and her brother and sister while they ate in a restaurant just yards away - it could have happened to any of you.
I have no doubt that Mark Warner staff are perfectly professional, but as parents we do what we think is right for our children. And if the McCanns thought it was better to leave theirs sleeping in an apartment in a holiday resort chosen for its child-friendliness rather than placing a stranger in the same room as their precious toddlers, who's to say they're wrong?
Kate's mum Susan says: "You make a decision and think it's OK. This time it wasn't and Kate and Gerry must live with that."
The fact is, on holiday, away from the stresses and strains of daily life, and especially in a resort renowned for family holidays, we'd all be lulled into a sense that nothing can harm us.
We do things we might not do at home - there's no way the McCanns would have left their tots sleeping in their bedrooms while they went to the local restaurant back in Leicestershire.
We often left ours sleeping upstairs in a hotel room while we dined downstairs until one night, when they were two and five, we were told they were running up and down the landing screaming and calling for Mummy.
I have never felt so wretched - seeing two tear-stained faces looking questioningly at me as if to say "Why did you leave us?" is an image that has stayed with me.
Now we take them with us or leave them with babysitters - babysitters who are sometimes male, often complete strangers whose credentials we don't check.
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"Now we take them with us or leave them with babysitters - babysitters who are sometimes male, often complete strangers whose credentials we don't check."

"NOW we leave them with babysitters who are sometimes male, often complete strangers whose credentials we don't check."

MOTHER OF THE YEAR THEN!

EVEN KM would NOT 'leave' her kids with 'complete MALE strangers' (or any 'strangers', for that matter (Philomena Mc))

SHE 'preferred to check' on her TREE kids, all under 4 years of age, an HOUR and a HALF, AFTER, diliberately and consciously, ('willingly and knowingly' Philomena Mc)  'LEAVING' them, ALONE, in her diliberately UNLOCKED apartment, out of her sight!

FP IS, ALSO a feted 'embarrassdor', alongside that other 'MOTY', KM,  for, wait for it, WAIT FOR IT......................'MISSING PEOPLE' charidy!

Ta Dah!

"Wheels within wheels"!
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SO WHAT IS A PARENT TO DO? ('asks FP)

Erm, let me think,

thinking

Ka-Ching! I KNOW! I KNOW!

"STAY IN WITH YOUR KIDS, AND PROTECT THEM, WITH YOUR LIFE, AND DON'T EVER LEAVE YOUR KIDS WITH 'UNCHECKED' BABYSITTER 'STRANGERS', INSTEAD OF STUFFING YOUR 'FISH' FACE, OUT OF SIGHT?"


They had their kids in the creche everyday. No fear of strange people watching their kids.

Even worse: the day after Madeleine "disappeared", "abducted" they said, the remaining 2 were back in the creche. 

So much for "someone was watching us".

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Post by willowthewisp on 11.07.15 12:54

Hi IJ.
The family had chosen to put the twins in the creche 4 May 2007, as they were very busy, involved in putting the "jigsaw pieces" together as the Pink one had not arrived yet, they had to make do with Justine, who was there when Gerry had a strop moment on video, "This is all case evidence and we cannot discuss it"?
Justine then had a dispute with the McCann family over funds owed to her for private work that she had done for the McCann's with the finding of their daughter Madeleine, quite a large sum apparently going by Clarence's retainer,£70,000 per annum, ker ching, another dint to the fund?

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Post by lj on 11.07.15 17:24

@willowthewisp wrote:Hi IJ.
The family had chosen to put the twins in the creche 4 May 2007, as they were very busy, involved in putting the "jigsaw pieces" together as the Pink one had not arrived yet, they had to make do with Justine, who was there when Gerry had a strop moment on video, "This is all case evidence and we cannot discuss it"?
Justine then had a dispute with the McCann family over funds owed to her for private work that she had done for the McCann's with the finding of their daughter Madeleine, quite a large sum apparently going by Clarence's retainer,£70,000 per annum, ker ching, another dint to the fund?


I think that early on the only PR support they had was Woofall (s?). 
I do think though that, beside the PR, there were many other reason to not put your kids in the creche at that point in time. But then, with all the moving and traveling we did, we never, ever, left our kids alone, I think our parenting was a bit different.

For me that was one of the pieces, so very early, to say : "abduction, now way!!"

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Post by tigger on 13.07.15 13:54

@lj wrote:
@willowthewisp wrote:Hi IJ.
The family had chosen to put the twins in the creche 4 May 2007, as they were very busy, involved in putting the "jigsaw pieces" together as the Pink one had not arrived yet, they had to make do with Justine, who was there when Gerry had a strop moment on video, "This is all case evidence and we cannot discuss it"?
Justine then had a dispute with the McCann family over funds owed to her for private work that she had done for the McCann's with the finding of their daughter Madeleine, quite a large sum apparently going by Clarence's retainer,£70,000 per annum, ker ching, another dint to the fund?


I think that early on the only PR support they had was Woofall (s?). 
I do think though that, beside the PR, there were many other reason to not put your kids in the creche at that point in time. But then, with all the moving and traveling we did, we never, ever, left our kids alone, I think our parenting was a bit different.

For me that was one of the pieces, so very early, to say : "abduction, now way!!"
5th May 2007 to the 9th May 2007: the support group from UK.
Eleven members of the family and friends (arrivals on 4th, 5th and 6th)
Craig Mayhew, MW operations director. arrival 4th.
The Consul and Pro Consul 4th
The British Ambassador  arrival 4th
Alan Pike (trauma psychologist) arrival 4th.
PR Head of crisis management, Alex Woolfall 5th.
3 Leicester Police Officers arrival 5th. 
Two Criminal Behaviour Experts from CEOP  prob. 9/5

A phonecall from Cherie Blair  8/5
A phonecall from  Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett 
Investigators were in close touch with Interpol and Europol.


Sheree Dodd was sent from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, but soon returned to London amid reports that she did not accept the McCanns’ claim that Madeleine had been abducted. 

Clarence Mitchell didn’t officially work for the McCanns until the end of May, but is rumoured to have been on the job within days if not hours. 

11 - friends and family, 13 experts from Foreign Office, MMU, CEOP, LP , PR and Pike...in just 5 days. That’s apart from the good people of PdL searching, the PJ, the GNR, the helicopters, the search and rescue dogs. 
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Tuesday May 8, 2007
Ambassador Buck gave a television interview in which he said he had been in touch with Portuguese ministers and the prime minister Jose Socrates, and senior police chiefs who assured him everything possible was being done to ensure the safe return of Madeleine. [..]
Buck made a statement to the media announcing the arrival of additional British experts. Said that investigators were in close touch with Interpol and Europol
Ambassador Buck said they were "kidnapping experts" and had joined the 3 other British investigators who had been in Portugal since Saturday 5th.
"... two 'Cracker-style' criminal behaviour experts from Britain flew into the Algarve yesterday to join investigators..."
They were from CEOP and their dispatch had been organised by the British Foreign Office. 
A spokeswoman for the CEOP said the move was unprecedented and had been organised by the Foreign Office." 

This is very interesting, I believe that these two ‘crackers’ were joining the three investigators sent by ‘Control Risk Group’. I cannot think of any other explanation. Russell O’Brien  (further down) gets a little overheated about the Control Risks not having been there as early as that, despite leaving their stamp on the third effort of the timeline of the evening. Which was handed to the PJ on the 10th of May. 

From ‘The Truth of the Lie’  by Goncalo Amaral
On Monday May 7th, we start to welcome our English colleagues from Leicestershire, the county where Madeleine and her parents live.
(note that these officers arrived on the 5th and had already been in contact with the McCanns - only meeting the PJ two days later seems a little strange as work continued through the weekend
[..] Little by little, the number of English police officers grows exponentially. We place at their disposal a room next to our crisis unit, Task Portugal. These are specialists from various police services, including Scotland Yard. Special surveillance teams as well as information and telecommunications technicians turn up with their laptops and various high-tech equipment. unquote
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From ‘madeleine’:
The Portuguese police were apparently reluctant early on to accept any help beyond this from their counterparts in the UK. However, in addition to the Leicestershire FLOs, they did permit forensic psychologists from CEOP, the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, and an analyst from the National Policing Improvements Agency to come to Praia da Luz the following week. Even that may have been unprecedented: we understood this was the first time the Portuguese authorities had ever allowed any foreign force into the country to assist in an investigation.
[..]  In the coming weeks we would meet DCS Bob Small, who we found straight-talking and honest. A lot of hard work went on at home as well, where DS Stuart Prior, the senior investigating officer, was kind enough to show our relatives round the incident room – and Gerry, too, later on.
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Only 32 hours after 'zero hour' they had Pike - about 6 in the morning - and before that the ambassador (within 24 hours) etc... 
Woolfall was certainly on the job on Saturday. 
The creche was opened especially for the McCanns on the Saturday I believe, normally it was closed on that day. 

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Post by lj on 13.07.15 19:56

@tigger wrote:
@lj wrote:
@willowthewisp wrote:Hi IJ.
The family had chosen to put the twins in the creche 4 May 2007, as they were very busy, involved in putting the "jigsaw pieces" together as the Pink one had not arrived yet, they had to make do with Justine, who was there when Gerry had a strop moment on video, "This is all case evidence and we cannot discuss it"?
Justine then had a dispute with the McCann family over funds owed to her for private work that she had done for the McCann's with the finding of their daughter Madeleine, quite a large sum apparently going by Clarence's retainer,£70,000 per annum, ker ching, another dint to the fund?


I think that early on the only PR support they had was Woofall (s?). 
I do think though that, beside the PR, there were many other reason to not put your kids in the creche at that point in time. But then, with all the moving and traveling we did, we never, ever, left our kids alone, I think our parenting was a bit different.

For me that was one of the pieces, so very early, to say : "abduction, now way!!"
5th May 2007 to the 9th May 2007: the support group from UK.
Eleven members of the family and friends (arrivals on 4th, 5th and 6th)
Craig Mayhew, MW operations director. arrival 4th.
The Consul and Pro Consul 4th
The British Ambassador  arrival 4th
Alan Pike (trauma psychologist) arrival 4th.
PR Head of crisis management, Alex Woolfall 5th.
3 Leicester Police Officers arrival 5th. 
Two Criminal Behaviour Experts from CEOP  prob. 9/5

A phonecall from Cherie Blair  8/5
A phonecall from  Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett 
Investigators were in close touch with Interpol and Europol.


Sheree Dodd was sent from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, but soon returned to London amid reports that she did not accept the McCanns’ claim that Madeleine had been abducted. 

Clarence Mitchell didn’t officially work for the McCanns until the end of May, but is rumoured to have been on the job within days if not hours. 

11 - friends and family, 13 experts from Foreign Office, MMU, CEOP, LP , PR and Pike...in just 5 days. That’s apart from the good people of PdL searching, the PJ, the GNR, the helicopters, the search and rescue dogs. 
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Tuesday May 8, 2007
Ambassador Buck gave a television interview in which he said he had been in touch with Portuguese ministers and the prime minister Jose Socrates, and senior police chiefs who assured him everything possible was being done to ensure the safe return of Madeleine. [..]
Buck made a statement to the media announcing the arrival of additional British experts. Said that investigators were in close touch with Interpol and Europol
Ambassador Buck said they were "kidnapping experts" and had joined the 3 other British investigators who had been in Portugal since Saturday 5th.
"... two 'Cracker-style' criminal behaviour experts from Britain flew into the Algarve yesterday to join investigators..."
They were from CEOP and their dispatch had been organised by the British Foreign Office. 
A spokeswoman for the CEOP said the move was unprecedented and had been organised by the Foreign Office." 

This is very interesting, I believe that these two ‘crackers’ were joining the three investigators sent by ‘Control Risk Group’. I cannot think of any other explanation. Russell O’Brien  (further down) gets a little overheated about the Control Risks not having been there as early as that, despite leaving their stamp on the third effort of the timeline of the evening. Which was handed to the PJ on the 10th of May. 

From ‘The Truth of the Lie’  by Goncalo Amaral
On Monday May 7th, we start to welcome our English colleagues from Leicestershire, the county where Madeleine and her parents live.
(note that these officers arrived on the 5th and had already been in contact with the McCanns - only meeting the PJ two days later seems a little strange as work continued through the weekend
[..] Little by little, the number of English police officers grows exponentially. We place at their disposal a room next to our crisis unit, Task Portugal. These are specialists from various police services, including Scotland Yard. Special surveillance teams as well as information and telecommunications technicians turn up with their laptops and various high-tech equipment. unquote
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From ‘madeleine’:
The Portuguese police were apparently reluctant early on to accept any help beyond this from their counterparts in the UK. However, in addition to the Leicestershire FLOs, they did permit forensic psychologists from CEOP, the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, and an analyst from the National Policing Improvements Agency to come to Praia da Luz the following week. Even that may have been unprecedented: we understood this was the first time the Portuguese authorities had ever allowed any foreign force into the country to assist in an investigation.
[..]  In the coming weeks we would meet DCS Bob Small, who we found straight-talking and honest. A lot of hard work went on at home as well, where DS Stuart Prior, the senior investigating officer, was kind enough to show our relatives round the incident room – and Gerry, too, later on.
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Only 32 hours after 'zero hour' they had Pike - about 6 in the morning - and before that the ambassador (within 24 hours) etc... 
Woolfall was certainly on the job on Saturday. 
The creche was opened especially for the McCanns on the Saturday I believe, normally it was closed on that day. 
Amazing, absolutely amazing!

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Post by jeanmonroe on 05.08.15 12:04

Oooppps!

The cat's 'OUT of the bag'!

ONE 'missing' child, in Manchester, has gone 'missing' 103 'times' over the last two years.

But she has been 'counted', as a 'missing' person...........103 times.

So ONE 'child' accounts for 103 'missing' child 'reports' out of the 'total' of 'missing' people.

And she was NOT 'missing' at all, she returned 'home' almost every night after her 'disappearances'!

But 'registered' by 'charities' (MP?) as 'missing'!

(Please DONATE, to our 'charidy', (CEO £70-80,000pa, total 'staff COSTS' £1.71 MILLION pa) so we can 'find' her)

If it looks like a 'scam', smells like a 'scam', IT'S A 'SCAM'!

After KC, MP SHOULD be 'investigated'!

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Ben Needham

Post by PeterMac on 14.08.15 18:21

Missing People are now using Ben Needham to con £ 3 out of donors.  See their website


http://www.missingpeople.org.uk/help-us-find/ben-needham

HELP US FIND ?    HOW the hell are they going to do that. What precisely are they going to DO.

Missing Person

Ben Needham
The age progressed image of how Ben may look aged 18 years old was produced by the Facial Imaging Team, Visual Identification Command, New Scotland Yard.

If you think you can help the search please call Missing People. Ben, we would love to hear from you. Call. Text. Anytime. Free. Confidential. 116000
Age at disappearance: 1
Missing Since: 21-Jul-1991
Missing from: Kos, Greece
Reference No: 91-000003
Download: a poster of Ben Needham
MISSING

Ben Needham
Kos, Greece

Text HOPE to 70707 to donate £3 now. Click here for terms and conditions.


we need 666,666 donation to pay the wages and expenses . . .
This from a Charity which has as patrons a noted previously promiscuous gay man with a serious conviction for Fraud, and who holds that women only have sexual relations for money . . .
And one who is under Police investigation for a string of alleged sexual and other abuses of children,
and has as an Ambassador the most famous self confessed neglectful mother in the world,

Worth £ 3 of anyone's money, obviously.

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Post by aquila on 14.08.15 18:33

@PeterMac wrote:Missing People are now using Ben Needham to con £ 3 out of donors.  See their website


http://www.missingpeople.org.uk/help-us-find/ben-needham

HELP US FIND ?    HOW the hell are they going to do that. What precisely are they going to DO.

Missing Person

Ben Needham
The age progressed image of how Ben may look aged 18 years old was produced by the Facial Imaging Team, Visual Identification Command, New Scotland Yard.

If you think you can help the search please call Missing People. Ben, we would love to hear from you. Call. Text. Anytime. Free. Confidential. 116000
Age at disappearance: 1
Missing Since: 21-Jul-1991
Missing from: Kos, Greece
Reference No: 91-000003
Download: a poster of Ben Needham
MISSING

Ben Needham
Kos, Greece

Text HOPE to 70707 to donate £3 now. Click here for terms and conditions.


we need 666,666 donation to pay the wages and expenses . . .
This from a Charity which has as patrons a noted previously promiscuous gay man with a serious conviction for Fraud, and who holds that women only have sexual relations for money . . .
And one who is under Police investigation for a string of alleged sexual and other abuses of children,
and has as an Ambassador the most famous self confessed neglectful mother in the world,

Worth £ 3 of anyone's money, obviously.

Snipped from Missing People's website - it's about as clear as mud to me but then again so is most of their website.

Our Fundraising Promise

We Are Committed to High Standards.


  • We do all we can to ensure that fundraisers, volunteers and fundraising contractors working with us to raise funds comply with the Code and with this Promise.
  • We comply with the law including those that apply to data protection, health and safety and the environment
  • We Are honest and open.
  • We tell the truth and do not exaggerate.
  • We do what we say we are going to do.
  • We answer all reasonable questions about our fundraising activities and costs.

We Are Clear


  • We are clear about who we are, what we do, and how your gift is used.
  • Where we have a promotional agreement with a commercial company, we make clear how much of the purchase price we receive.
  • We give a clear explanation of how you can make a gift and amend a regular commitment.
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Just Sent. (Answers on a postage stamp please !)

Post by PeterMac on 14.08.15 22:03

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Post by Guest on 15.08.15 8:06

Brill, PeterMac.  The Ben Needham campaign is ridiculous, taking the p... IMO.  I hope MP will be scrutinsed one day.
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Post by PeterMac on 15.08.15 8:09

Thank you for your enquiry.‏


Thank you for your enquiry.
Missing People (webtransfer.channel@missingpeople.org.uk) Add to contacts 14/08/2015
To: pmac****@hotmail.com

Thank you for contacting us. We will get back to you as soon as possible.

Name: PETER MAC

Email: pmac*****@hotmail.com

Subject: Ben Needham

Message: I am interested in donating £ 3 to Bens mother and towards the search for Ben, but can you assure me that if I donate through you she will receive any of the money, or will it in fact be swallowed up in your £ 1.7 m expenses and CEO's salary. Sincerely
Peter Mac

I shall not stay in waiting for a reply !

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Post by Guest on 15.08.15 8:21

A 'help find Ben fund' already exists so why has MP created another?
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Post by sharonl on 15.08.15 8:47

In 2006/07 Missing People were facing severe financial problems, it required a boost, new beginning.

Their words, not mine but why was this charity in this mess when It was supported by millionaires and billionaires like Branson, Cliff Richards etc. 



And, Thank goodness for its new ambassador, eh. smilie

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Post by PeterMac on 15.08.15 10:19

Ladyinred wrote:A 'help find Ben fund' already exists so why has MP created another?


Because the Help Ben fund is to look for Ben. The MP version is to pay their £ 1.7 million salaries and expenses bill

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Post by Tony Bennett on 15.08.15 11:03

@PeterMac wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:A 'Help find Ben fund' already exists so why has MP created another?

Because the Help Ben fund is to look for Ben. The MP version is to pay their £1.7 million salaries and expenses bill
Do they actually need any more help to pay their salary and expenses bill, when their website proudly emblazons their huge list of funders, headed by:

THE EUROPEAN UNION



THE HOME OFFICE



THE NATIONAL LOTTERY



COMIC RELIEF




...and dozens of other big name agencies, NGOs and companies, e.g.

The John Lewis Partnership

BHS

City Solicitors Clifford Chance

LexisNexis

Outdoor Media Centre

Oak Foundation

People's Postcode Lottery

Esmee Fairbairn

BDP

Morris Ward Associates

HootSuite

Street Smart

Garfield Weston

++++++++++++++

A full list of their major donors and providers of 'gifts in kind' can be seen at:

https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/home/our-funders-page.html

...and there is this interesting boast about the help they have received from the 'People's Postcode Lottery' (NOT the same as the National Lottery):   

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People's Postcode Lottery

Players of People's Postcode Lottery enable Missing People to be a lifeline when someone disappears. People's Postcode Lottery raises funds and awareness for charities across the country  - allowing them to achieve much more than ever before. We are thrilled to have received over £3.4m from players since our relationship began in 2008.

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2007 (28 June) Dr Gerry McCann: “I have no doubt we will be able to sustain a high profile for Madeleine’s disappearance in the long-term”.

2017 (February) Dr Kate McCannthrust into a global bidding war…news giants battle to sign her up for the 10th anniversary…offered huge bids…bombarded with offers…30 sitting on the table…getting new bids every other day…one told Kate and Gerry: ‘Name your price!’
                        

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Post by aquila on 15.08.15 22:30

This charity claims to work in partnership with UK police and others.

This is a quango.
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