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Could a person/person's be convicted of murder without a body?

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No body! Can someone on here please answer this question?

Post by Anonymous. on 21.06.15 15:38

Hello everyone, hello  could someone on this forum please end an ongoing feud between members of my family, and myself?  The question being....Could a person/person's be convicted of murder without a body? As the members here seem more informed than most I thought this would be the best place to ask. Thank you in advance.
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Post by Joss on 21.06.15 15:52

Anonymous. wrote:Hello everyone, hello  could someone on this forum please end an ongoing feud between members of my family, and myself?  The question being....Could a person/person's be convicted of murder without a body? As the members here seem more informed than most I thought this would be the best place to ask. Thank you in advance.
Google is your friend. Have you tried your question in a search engine? And this is not a thread appropriate to your question, lol. Also laws on that could differ depending on what country you live in.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.06.15 16:21

Anonymous. wrote:Hello everyone, hello  could someone on this forum please end an ongoing feud between members of my family, and myself?  The question being....Could a person/person's be convicted of murder without a body? As the members here seem more informed than most I thought this would be the best place to ask. Thank you in advance.
Hallo 'Anonymous', thank you for your question.

The simple answer is a very clear 'Yes'.  yes

Possibly the best-known case in England is the murder of 13-year-old Danielle Jones in Essex. Her uncle, Stuart Campbell, bundled her into his van, killed her, and disposed of her body without ever saying what he had done with it.

Campbell was part of a local paedophile network in the Tilbury area.

He was convicted of abduction and murder and is now serving a life sentence. Her body still hasn't been found. There's more about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Danielle_Jones


And you'll find dozens of other cases of people convicted without a body at these three links: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_conviction_without_a_body

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95807

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/10/15/notable-murder-convictions-without-body.html



Do stick around, have a look round this popular forum, and join if you want to find out even more

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Off topic, but important

Post by PeterMac on 21.06.15 16:29

Anonymous . Google
Jeanette Zapata.
Bianca Jones
Kate Prout
Susan Pilley
Cori Baker
Etan Patz
Lauryn Dickens
Caylee Anthony,
Kirsi Gifford-Hull


Guilty in all those without a body - sometimes one was found after a subsequent confession.
Most relied on dogs' alerts.

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Post by whodunnit on 21.06.15 16:44

Caylee Anthony's remains were found before the trial, and her mother was found not guilty.

[there's a whole lot about this case the general public doesn't know. suffice to say the media coverage was dead wrong or outright lying about 90% of the time.]
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Could a person/person's be convicted of murder without a body?

Post by Joss on 21.06.15 16:47

@PeterMac wrote:Anonymous .   Google
Jeanette Zapata.
Bianca Jones
Kate Prout
Susan Pilley
Cori Baker
Etan Patz
Lauryn Dickens
Caylee Anthony,
Kirsi Gifford-Hull


Guilty in all those without a body - sometimes one was found after a subsequent confession.
Most relied on dogs' alerts.
PeterMac,  Caylee Anthony's skeletised remains were found by Roy Kronk a meter reader at the time.

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Post by Jill Havern on 21.06.15 18:37

I've split this question from the other thread but will leave it here in the Guests section just in case anyone else wants to add any info....and to keep the other thread on topic.
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Post by PeterMac on 21.06.15 22:01

Shall amend the list.
Thanks

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Re: Could a person/person's be convicted of murder without a body?

Post by Amy Dean on 22.06.15 8:49

Peter, there hasn't been a conviction in the Etan Patz case.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32669164
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Re: Could a person/person's be convicted of murder without a body?

Post by PeterMac on 22.06.15 11:10

Correct.
The list was lifted from my piece about dogs' alerts, so includes those two cases,
Sorry. I shall go back and make a separate list.

The rest, I believe, are still OK, and the point is still made
that it is possible, both in English law and in the US to convict without a body.
Also remember that a merest trace, a gall stone in the Haigh Acid Bath case, a smear of blood, burned bones and so on are always adequate
People keep on saying that in the April Jones case the body was not found. That is only correct on a lay person's understanding.
It had probably been cremated in the wood burning stove, and the blood and charred bone was all that was left.
They had more than enough to prove disposal.

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Re: Could a person/person's be convicted of murder without a body?

Post by Amy Dean on 22.06.15 11:20

I remember my mother talking about the Muriel McKay kidnapping case in the late 1960s; at that time it was unusual for anyone to be convicted without a body.
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Re: Could a person/person's be convicted of murder without a body?

Post by jeanmonroe on 22.06.15 11:40

YES.

Susan Pilley 'case'
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An Edinburgh man who murdered a colleague after she ended their affair has been SENTENCED TO LIFE IN PRISON.

David Gilroy, 49, must serve a minimum of 18 years in jail for killing 38-year-old bookkeeper Suzanne Pilley.

Gilroy, a married man, was found guilty of his former lover's murder last month. He denied the charge.

Ms Pilley sparked a major hunt when she disappeared in May 2010. She set off for work in Edinburgh, but never made it to her desk.

Prosecutors believe Gilroy killed her in the basement of the building where they worked in Thistle Street and buried her the next day more than 100 miles away in the forests of Argyll.

Passing sentence , Lord Bracadale said Gilroy was the only person who knew the whereabouts of Ms Pilley's body WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN FOUND.


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Post by lj on 22.06.15 14:30

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Another one

Post by PeterMac on 19.09.15 15:07

http://news.sky.com/story/1555489/wales-landlord-murder-lodger-held-in-ireland
Wales Landlord Murder: Lodger Held In Ireland
Police have found no trace of 59-year-old Alec Warburton but are treating his sudden disappearance in July as murder.
10:41, UK,
Saturday 19 September 2015

Alec Warburton has not been seen since 31 July

Police in Ireland have arrested a Welsh man in connection with the murder of his landlord.
Detectives have been trying to find 40-year-old Swansea man David Ellis for more than a month, following the sudden disappearance of Alec Warburton.
While there has been no trace of Mr Warburton since 31 July, police have previously said they were treating the case as murder.
South Wales Police confirmed that Ellis is now in custody.
A spokesman said the force was liaising with Irish police about the suspect's extradition back to the UK.
Ellis was a lodger with 59-year-old Alec Warburton in his Sketty home.
In the wake of Mr Warburton's disappearance, police launched a public appeal for information.
His M-reg Peugeot was spotted in north Wales before returning to Swansea.
Days later, it was found abandoned at Birkenhead port and officers said Ellis had arrived in Belfast via ferry on 6 August.
Mr Warburton's family have been told of the arrest, and South Wales Police say family liaison officers are continuing to support the relatives.

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Post by sallypelt on 19.09.15 15:32

@PeterMac wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/1555489/wales-landlord-murder-lodger-held-in-ireland
Wales Landlord Murder: Lodger Held In Ireland
Police have found no trace of 59-year-old Alec Warburton but are treating his sudden disappearance in July as murder.
10:41, UK,
Saturday 19 September 2015

Alec Warburton has not been seen since 31 July

Police in Ireland have arrested a Welsh man in connection with the murder of his landlord.
Detectives have been trying to find 40-year-old Swansea man David Ellis for more than a month, following the sudden disappearance of Alec Warburton.
While there has been no trace of Mr Warburton since 31 July, police have previously said they were treating the case as murder.
South Wales Police confirmed that Ellis is now in custody.
A spokesman said the force was liaising with Irish police about the suspect's extradition back to the UK.
Ellis was a lodger with 59-year-old Alec Warburton in his Sketty home.
In the wake of Mr Warburton's disappearance, police launched a public appeal for information.
His M-reg Peugeot was spotted in north Wales before returning to Swansea.
Days later, it was found abandoned at Birkenhead port and officers said Ellis had arrived in Belfast via ferry on 6 August.
Mr Warburton's family have been told of the arrest, and South Wales Police say family liaison officers are continuing to support the relatives.
There have been a number of convictions for murder, where there has been no body, but when it comes to the McCann's, with their PR and "fighting fund" behind them, the case against them will have to be water-tight. This is what keeps me interested in this case. I have to keep faith in OG, and believe that they are keeping quiet not to scupper any changes that they may have in bringing this case to an honest close, whatever that may be.

I take faith from "Nipper Read" who brought the Kray Twins reign of terror to an end. Nipper had to infiltrate the Kray's circles, pretending that he was "one of them". For those who are interested, it's quite an eye-opener of what decent people have to do to get justice, especially when the police etc are all in with the gangsters.

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Could a person be charged with murder and no body?

Post by willowthewisp on 19.09.15 15:50

Hi Sallpelt,
You don't suppose Clarence could be a new nipper of the Yard do you or has he already accepted his Thirty pieces of Silver?
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