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Post by plebgate on 12.05.15 12:09

@jeanmonroe wrote:Summers & Swan Ch 25 + 26 - Page 2 Proxyf10

Phew!

'strap line' added by Judy Drunkalltheginagain.

SO, It MUST be TRUE!

Super sleuth, ex pretendy "Detective Superintendent" Judy Pissedagain, 'said' 'THIS is the revised most definitive account, of what happened. to Madeleine. S&S, previous. most definitive account was, they admit. not the most definitive account. THIS IS'
I think that is your funniest ever JeanM.   Soooooooooooooooo funny.   spit coffee

When was this expert advice obtained?   Before or after  the first book got a drubbing?
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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.05.15 12:15

@The Rooster wrote:Why are Summers and Swan, Tracey and Donal, Clarence Mitchell and the other salaried/ paid supporters - all retro-fitting up the McCanns abduction theory for years.  Why is there a need for this type of 3rd party reputation management? Why from the outset didn't the advisors just say to the McCanns, "if you are innocent of any wrong doing and want to demonstrate this, then empirically answer your accusers questions, clear your name and get on with the important job of finding your daughter. You can achieve this by simply...

1.  Doing the lie detector test, don't worry about a bad result, it can happen agree to do the test again and then again if necessary.
2.  Answering the good policeman's 48 questions
3.  Explain the SMS activity and name the recipients (provide affidavit's if necessary)
4.  Doing the reconstruction of events of May 3rd 2007
5.  Tell the public why you said what you said on the airport transfer bus
6.  Tell the public why you were joking at the terrace doors of someone apartment only days after you daughter disappearance.
7.  etc etc  The good members of this forum can add countless other items to the list

If you do this you will have no need to sue individuals for libel or newspapers for libel nor Mr Bennett for defamation because there simply won't be any libel or defamation and guess what... the fund, yes the fund will grow like no fund has grown before."

I suspect the advisors did say this, because it's so straightforward and sensible and the McCanns, Gerald in particular knew the downside of coming clean and went on his own hell bent and perverted course of reputation management and this is what we see today, Gerald's Frankensteins... Summers and Swan, Tracey and Donal, Clarence Mitchell and the other salaried/paid supporters - all retro-fitting up the McCanns abduction theory.
@ The Rooster

It's a while since we've seen you here - and the wait has been worth it, as IMO this is the best post I've ever seen from you.

But I think one further element is missing from your analysis if I may say so - and that's the level of government involvement, as in:

* Phone calls from Brown to Gerry
* Phone calls from Blair to Gerry & Kate
* Top man of the media Monitring Unit (CM) despatched post haste to Praia da Luz
* CM told by the government that this was 'a clear case of stranger abduction'
* MI5 and security services involved in 'profiling' Robert Murat as the abductor
* Bob Small of Leics Police having a long chat to Jane Tanner the very day she later identified Murat as the man she had seen on 3 May
* Involvement of Control Risks Group - government-related risk management company
* Investigators close to government intelligence agencies: Kevin Halligen (MoD), Henri Exton (Ex-head of MI5 Covert Intelligence Department), Tim Craig-Harvey (close connections with government security services), Gary Hagland (Hong Kong intelligence services and with friends at MI6)  
* Special Branch escorting the McCanns on journeys in England
* High-powered team involving government departments set up by Leics Police 8 May 2007
* Cameron deciding on Operation Grange
* Current DPP Alison Saunders visiting Portuguese Police in 2013

...and there is so much more

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Post by Miraflores on 12.05.15 12:52

if any of the children of McCann's,
 If either of the other children of the McCanns..... that should read, because one child has gone missing.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 12.05.15 13:14

@Miraflores wrote:
if any of the children of McCann's,
 If either of the other children of the McCanns..... that should read, because one child has gone missing.

thinking

I wonder, 'who's' FAULT, that was, exactly?

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Post by The Rooster on 12.05.15 14:35

I agree with you Mr Bennett, the Government involvement is unprecedented in a child disappearance, rather akin to that of a high ranking diplomat or royal family member abduction or break in or theft etc.  But for the likes of the McCanns! It suggests something very important is at the center of the affair.  How Gerald McCann has been allowed to swagger in drunken like joy at the attention he receives must gall the politicians who have protected him thus far.  Let Paxman re-question him!

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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.05.15 15:06

@The Rooster wrote:I agree with you Mr Bennett, the Government involvement is unprecedented in a child disappearance, rather akin to that of a high ranking diplomat or royal family member abduction or break in or theft etc.  But for the likes of the McCanns! It suggests something very important is at the center of the affair.  How Gerald McCann has been allowed to swagger in drunken like joy at the attention he receives must gall the politicians who have protected him thus far.  Let Paxman re-question him!
My notes on the case gave this link for Gerry's Paxman interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIvFkXkVn1I&feature=player_detailpage#t=57s

But Google now say it is unavailable because it is 'Private'.

Does anyone know if it is still availabe please?

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Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by The Rooster on 12.05.15 15:24

I just tried to search for the interview but couldn't find it.  I'm certain it was there a couple of month ago!

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Post by whatsupdoc on 12.05.15 15:53

Faithlilly on MCF forum is talking about transcribing Looking for Madeleine this morning and I think what has happened is that people have been typing from a Kindle and made all the spelling mistakes.

It's 16.99 dollars on Amazon.

I've seen a prog quite some time ago that converts Kindle to PC which would have avoided all the errors.
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Post by plebgate on 12.05.15 15:57

Paxo and Sian Lloyd doing the interviews together - would not miss that one.
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Post by lj on 12.05.15 15:58

aquila wrote:Two experts paid (?) for their opinions.

Firstly it depends upon what was presented to the experts.

Secondly, if a hundred experts were asked to give their opinion and two of them gave the opinion sought it's those opinions that will be published....if you have an agenda that is.

Crikey, Janner had 4 doctors to say he's non compus mentis whilst he continued to run a company and speak in the H.O.L.

What's remarkable is the timing of the original release of the book and the very swift update which still speaks of 'haters', and now seeks to further diss the dogs with two expert opinions.

A swift update on a book when simply nothing has happened in the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance is questionable isn't it?

Just my opinion.

The funny part is they don't diss the dogs. They S&S mention the dogs, then says they consulted 2 scientists: one retired, one anonymous (this forum would not even think that acceptable as "proof") and then nothing. Nothing about why the dogs are not reliable, no argument, no evidence, no research, not even "jurisprudence". It's an empty dud.

And how pathetic this whining about negative reviews. Really sad.

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Post by lj on 12.05.15 16:01

@PeterMac wrote:Fascinating how desperate they are to rubbish and decry and dismiss the dogs' alerts.
It is clearly one of the main things that worries TM.  They had not expected British dogs to be brought in, and have no response
Not even Mitchell "answers to anything the police may or may not find" cannot come up with anything remotely plausible.

Let us remember
Jeanette Zapata.
Bianca Jones
Kate Prout
Susan Pilley
Cori Baker
Etan Patz
Lauryn Dickens
Caylee Anthony,
Kirsi Gifford-Hull
  R.I.P.
and many more.


And the judge in the trial against Dr. Amaral declared the dog findings as proven.

No 500,000 € can change that!

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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 12.05.15 16:04

Chapter 27 will be entitled 'Finally, We Asked the Dogs, Sandra'
 
And the answer - Rashin' fashin' Mc-Rick Rastardly lol4
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Post by Richard IV on 12.05.15 16:12

@The Rooster wrote:I just tried to search for the interview but couldn't find it.  I'm certain it was there a couple of month ago!
I agree.

Who would have removed it I wonder ?

And why
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Post by Richard IV on 12.05.15 16:16

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@The Rooster wrote:Why are Summers and Swan, Tracey and Donal, Clarence Mitchell and the other salaried/ paid supporters - all retro-fitting up the McCanns abduction theory for years.  Why is there a need for this type of 3rd party reputation management? Why from the outset didn't the advisors just say to the McCanns, "if you are innocent of any wrong doing and want to demonstrate this, then empirically answer your accusers questions, clear your name and get on with the important job of finding your daughter. You can achieve this by simply...

1.  Doing the lie detector test, don't worry about a bad result, it can happen agree to do the test again and then again if necessary.
2.  Answering the good policeman's 48 questions
3.  Explain the SMS activity and name the recipients (provide affidavit's if necessary)
4.  Doing the reconstruction of events of May 3rd 2007
5.  Tell the public why you said what you said on the airport transfer bus
6.  Tell the public why you were joking at the terrace doors of someone apartment only days after you daughter disappearance.
7.  etc etc  The good members of this forum can add countless other items to the list

If you do this you will have no need to sue individuals for libel or newspapers for libel nor Mr Bennett for defamation because there simply won't be any libel or defamation and guess what... the fund, yes the fund will grow like no fund has grown before."

I suspect the advisors did say this, because it's so straightforward and sensible and the McCanns, Gerald in particular knew the downside of coming clean and went on his own hell bent and perverted course of reputation management and this is what we see today, Gerald's Frankensteins... Summers and Swan, Tracey and Donal, Clarence Mitchell and the other salaried/paid supporters - all retro-fitting up the McCanns abduction theory.
@ The Rooster

It's a while since we've seen you here - and the wait has been worth it, as IMO this is the best post I've ever seen from you.

But I think one further element is missing from your analysis if I may say so - and that's the level of government involvement, as in:

* Phone calls from Brown to Gerry
* Phone calls from Blair to Gerry & Kate
* Top man of the media Monitring Unit (CM) despatched post haste to Praia da Luz
* CM told by the government that this was 'a clear case of stranger abduction'
* MI5 and security services involved in 'profiling' Robert Murat as the abductor
* Bob Small of Leics Police having a long chat to Jane Tanner the very day she later identified Murat as the man she had seen on 3 May
* Involvement of Control Risks Group - government-related risk management company
* Investigators close to government intelligence agencies: Kevin Halligen (MoD), Henri Exton (Ex-head of MI5 Covert Intelligence Department), Tim Craig-Harvey (close connections with government security services), Gary Hagland (Hong Kong intelligence services and with friends at MI6)  
* Special Branch escorting the McCanns on journeys in England
* High-powered team involving government departments set up by Leics Police 8 May 2007
* Cameron deciding on Operation Grange
* Current DPP Alison Saunders visiting Portuguese Police in 2013

...and there is so much more

IMO the above is so important and relevant in this whole affair, as was this thread -

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t9951-evidence-of-the-direct-involvement-of-mi5-mi6-and-other-branches-of-government-security-services-in-the-madeleine-mccann-case?highlight=government+involvement
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Post by MRNOODLES on 12.05.15 16:36

Loada sh*t innit...


Seriously, how the hell can you claim to debunk the dogs by using anonymous scientist?  IMO this scientist is as ficticious as 'Smithman' ...   Another ****ing phantom added to the mix.
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Post by aiyoyo on 12.05.15 16:52

Pathetic !

Who ever heard of acclaimed writer adding addendum chapters to replug book, blaming trolls for his first edition flop?

Using expert's opinion (expert he cannot name) on blood pattern forensic to discredit the cadaverine detection dog is a joke.  What has dog positive signals on cadaverine detection got anything to do with blood splatter pattern forensic?

How credible is his claim that his colleague is his source for the data on trolls and tweets?
For one thing, writer does not have colleague. For another thing, even if he (Summers) has one, why would his colleague who is not associated to, not related to, and not knowing Kate & Gerry be interested in anti-Mcs trolls, let alone be interested to monitor and keep tabs on anti mcs activities on social media?

The type of details/data on trolls and tweets included in chapter 25 can only have come from a source close to McCanns.  And, they wonder why people believe they are another arm of Pro-Mcs propaganda !
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Post by espeland on 12.05.15 17:16

Even the publisher doesn't mention the book on Twitter


Headline BooksVerified account  

@headlinepg

The official Twitter channel for Headline Publishing Group, bringing you lots of book news and behind the scenes publishing chat from our London office.
 London  
headline.co.uk


Strange, as their web page has the banner


Welcome to Headline Publishing, home of bestselling fiction and non-fiction books and ebooks


and the book qualifies as 'fiction', doesn't it? Admittedly not 'bestselling' Which makes me wonder what justification they saw to publish a new edition.

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Post by willowthewisp on 12.05.15 17:19

To Admin, can someone please explain as to how when responding to reply's, that the written response has not appeared in the posts?
This appears to have happened to several of my reply's, Why?
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Post by PeterMac on 12.05.15 17:53

@aiyoyo wrote:
How credible is his claim that his colleague is his source for the data on trolls and tweets?
. . .
The type of details/data on trolls and tweets included in chapter 25 can only have come from a source close to McCanns.  And, they wonder why people believe they are another arm of Pro-Mcs propaganda !

I would guess if what he says is correct, that he has spoken to Philomena, who was involved, if not the sole instigator of the Dossier of death

“WE are talking about materials which are libellous, completely untrue.
WE were getting nowhere by reporting it to the sites
WE were finding people going on line . . .”

Then dubbed into English, then body removed for Health and Safety reasons, leaving only the heroic ankles and calves,
but leaving the Herr Flick, bangle, and distinctive turquoise top to assist in the identification.
Not the first time she has been very closely involved, of course !

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Post by lj on 12.05.15 18:30

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@The Rooster wrote:Why are Summers and Swan, Tracey and Donal, Clarence Mitchell and the other salaried/ paid supporters - all retro-fitting up the McCanns abduction theory for years.  Why is there a need for this type of 3rd party reputation management? Why from the outset didn't the advisors just say to the McCanns, "if you are innocent of any wrong doing and want to demonstrate this, then empirically answer your accusers questions, clear your name and get on with the important job of finding your daughter. You can achieve this by simply...

1.  Doing the lie detector test, don't worry about a bad result, it can happen agree to do the test again and then again if necessary.
2.  Answering the good policeman's 48 questions
3.  Explain the SMS activity and name the recipients (provide affidavit's if necessary)
4.  Doing the reconstruction of events of May 3rd 2007
5.  Tell the public why you said what you said on the airport transfer bus
6.  Tell the public why you were joking at the terrace doors of someone apartment only days after you daughter disappearance.
7.  etc etc  The good members of this forum can add countless other items to the list

If you do this you will have no need to sue individuals for libel or newspapers for libel nor Mr Bennett for defamation because there simply won't be any libel or defamation and guess what... the fund, yes the fund will grow like no fund has grown before."

I suspect the advisors did say this, because it's so straightforward and sensible and the McCanns, Gerald in particular knew the downside of coming clean and went on his own hell bent and perverted course of reputation management and this is what we see today, Gerald's Frankensteins... Summers and Swan, Tracey and Donal, Clarence Mitchell and the other salaried/paid supporters - all retro-fitting up the McCanns abduction theory.
@ The Rooster

It's a while since we've seen you here - and the wait has been worth it, as IMO this is the best post I've ever seen from you.

But I think one further element is missing from your analysis if I may say so - and that's the level of government involvement, as in:

* Phone calls from Brown to Gerry
* Phone calls from Blair to Gerry & Kate
* Top man of the media Monitring Unit (CM) despatched post haste to Praia da Luz
* CM told by the government that this was 'a clear case of stranger abduction'
* MI5 and security services involved in 'profiling' Robert Murat as the abductor
* Bob Small of Leics Police having a long chat to Jane Tanner the very day she later identified Murat as the man she had seen on 3 May
* Involvement of Control Risks Group - government-related risk management company
* Investigators close to government intelligence agencies: Kevin Halligen (MoD), Henri Exton (Ex-head of MI5 Covert Intelligence Department), Tim Craig-Harvey (close connections with government security services), Gary Hagland (Hong Kong intelligence services and with friends at MI6)  
* Special Branch escorting the McCanns on journeys in England
* High-powered team involving government departments set up by Leics Police 8 May 2007
* Cameron deciding on Operation Grange
* Current DPP Alison Saunders visiting Portuguese Police in 2013

...and there is so much more
 
My personal favorite is an ambassador getting involved with the dirty laundry (literally) of the McCanns.

That must have been the height of his career.

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Post by Enid O'Dowd on 12.05.15 18:35

Surely a publisher brings out a new/updated edition of a book when

(1)  the first print run is sold out or almost sold out 

and

 (2) the publisher anticipates reasonable sales of the new edition, enough to cover printing and marketing costs as an absolute minimum.

Since the first edition flopped and there must have been heavy marketing costs, why would a publisher produce an updated edition at this point in time to add to losses?


This makes me suspect that this new edition has been paid for by a supporter or from the Fund. I can’t see that any publisher wanting to stay in business would  throw good money after bad.

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Post by aiyoyo on 12.05.15 18:45

@PeterMac wrote:
I would guess if what he says is correct, that he has spoken to Philomena, who was involved, if not the sole instigator of the Dossier of death

Their source could also be JimGamble, since he was given special mention (several times) in the chapter, not forgetting he helped also in the book promotion.  It invites the question why Jim Gamble entrenches himself with the Mcs case to the extent he even collaborated with the authors on the book.  What's in it for him?  He's supposed to stay neutral given his position. 

 The Dossier compilers were not just "concerned citizens" as S&S claimed.  How would they know that anyway ?  

Martin Brunt too (could be their source) since he knew all about the DOD.

In any case it is plain obvious S&S's source is team mccann or pro-Mcs sympathisers.
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Post by canada12 on 12.05.15 18:49

@Enid O'Dowd wrote:Surely a publisher brings out a new/updated edition of a book when

(1)  the first print run is sold out or almost sold out 

and

 (2) the publisher anticipates reasonable sales of the new edition, enough to cover printing and marketing costs as an absolute minimum.

Since the first edition flopped and there must have been heavy marketing costs, why would a publisher produce an updated edition at this point in time to add to losses?


This makes me suspect that this new edition has been paid for by a supporter or from the Fund. I can’t see that any publisher wanting to stay in business would  throw good money after bad.

With traditional publishing that was the case, however publishers now have the option of Print on Demand, which essentially means a book and its cover are stored digitally and copies are only printed when someone orders them. That way there is no overhead and no unsold books sitting in inventory anywhere.

It may be that for this version Headline has done a subcontract with a digital publisher and therefore it costs them nothing to make a new edition available. A copy is only printed when ordered.

PoD can be for hardbound or paperbacks these days.
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