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"We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by Angelique on 10.05.15 23:26

Ladyinred wrote:TB, carry on posting about any aspect of this case.  If anyone doesn't want to read what you write then they can skip your posts.  Simple.

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I would like to second that if I may.

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by Richard IV on 10.05.15 23:30

@Tony Bennett wrote:I'm very sorry, my frustrations about Operation Grange and their making the 'Smithman sighting' the 'centre of our focus' - and the continuing mainstream media coverage of these issues -  boiled over for once, and I've caused Admin & Mods some problems today, I apologise.

Parts of my earlier post have been deleted with my consent.

I think my views on both Operation Grange and the 'Smithman' sighting are so well known - and the posters who said that I had 'domne Smithman' to death were undoubtedly correct - that it's time for me to quit posting about both subjects
Before you throw in the towel, can you just tell me if you`re suggesting :-

1. That the whole Smith family made the whole thing up or
2. That they did actually see someone and knew it was RM, and merely piped up to clear him.
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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by lj on 11.05.15 2:44

@Angelique wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:TB, carry on posting about any aspect of this case.  If anyone doesn't want to read what you write then they can skip your posts.  Simple.

Ladyinred

I would like to second that if I may.

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I am always interested in all your posts even if I don't participate.
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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by Knitted on 11.05.15 3:30

TB... Hang on in there! Please?  You bring a considerable amount of knowledge and analysis to the discussion(s) and debate about Madeleine's fate and the subsequent charade that has duped the masses. 

Do I personally think Madeleine died that week and her parents know how and why?... Yes, based upon the evidence, which people such as yourself put so much effort into highlighting.
Do I personally think that whatever happened to Madeleine was sufficiently 'dangerous' to some people in the Establishment that it has warranted (for whatever reason) a political cover up?... Yes, again based upon the evidence that people such as yourself put so much effort into highlighting.

Do I agree with your conclusions about Smithman?... No, I honestly am on the fence on that one. I am nowhere near good enough in judging Human behaviour, nor what motivates people, and so (spinelessly) I am happy picking splinters out of my bum! (i.e. 'sitting on the fence'). However, do I read and appreciate the argument(s) relating to the topic? Most definitely. 

Do I think that effort is expended in derailing threads in this forum and in 'clouding' arguments that have been made by informed and rational members?... F*cking Hell YES!!  It's blatantly a multi-pronged attack with 'Senior Shills' that 'subtly nudge' discussions towards unjustified silliness, as well as those 'Newbie Nutters' that come and go, (and who are often obvious, but we are all too polite to call 'foul' on). But...come on...that's not a surprise is it? If what most of us think (based upon the evidence) that what's most likely to have 'affected' Madeleine is a factor, and which thus warrants the cover up, then it's no surprise what's happening online. People that work in media and PR will know exactly how to grind down the best of their opponents!

Take heart...If mud is being slung then they're having to scrape the barrel for the gungiest stuff! Thinking logically that's got to be a good sign!?!  You worked, and continue to work, to highlight the crime against Lee Balkwell and that case has seen the Establishment barricades of lies, deceit and corruption slowly scaled...  All that's different is that Madeleine's case has much bigger names and bigger £££s at stake.  The logical conclusions derived from facts cannot, however, be buried forever.

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by aquila on 11.05.15 6:08

@lj wrote:
@Angelique wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:TB, carry on posting about any aspect of this case.  If anyone doesn't want to read what you write then they can skip your posts.  Simple.

Ladyinred

I would like to second that if I may.

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by aquila on 11.05.15 6:43

Snipped from Daily Express article

"A week ago friends of the McCanns joined villagers in Rothley, Leicstershire, to mark the eighth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. Kate and Gerry could not be there as they were visiting her seriously ill father Brian in Liverpool.

In her place, Fiona Payne read out a poem, The Tree Of Hope. 
On a tree children attached touching messages. One wrote: “Dear God, please help all the missing children in the world and bring them back to their families. "

"Make sure they are in safe hands and are going to be reunited with their families. Please bring Madeleine back to us. Amen.”



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There's something quite remarkable about this report.

It's quite remarkable that not a single media camera has published any coverage of the service. Not a single photograph of Fiona Payne who stood in for her friend.

There is an emotive photograph of a blonde little girl standing in front of what I can only assume is 'the tree of hope' bedecked with green and yellow ribbons with an age progression photograph of Madeleine tied to the railings in the background and a couple of photographs attached to white painted branches.

There is no mention of how many villagers of Rothley turned out to what is to all intents and purpose an organised event.

There is no televised media coverage as in the past.

What there is, and I find it disturbing, is children who should be out enjoying their childhood having to think about missing children and writing things to place on a 'tree of hope'.

Madeleine went missing 8 years ago. Her own parents tell of how they have struggled to find normality for their twins and yet other people's children are concerned with missing children, as is an unknown quantity of people in Rothley attending a pre-arranged, pre-planned service.

Is every church attending child in Rothley to be tainted by the disappearance of Madeleine and to be concerned with children going missing?

Just an observation.
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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by jeanmonroe on 11.05.15 10:16

Is every church attending child in Rothley to be tainted by the disappearance of Madeleine and to be concerned with children going missing?
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That's what 'happened' in 'village of the damned' isn't it?

Children 'tainted'?

I wonder what the 'children' of Rothley 'thought/think' about the Mikaeel Kular 'case'..........the 3 years old child that 'went missing'.....

only for the 'truth' to come out.............his own mother killed him!

Did the 'parents' of the Rothley 'children', tell, explain, the truth about Mikaeel's 'demise' at/by the hands of his own mother?

Mother's can and DO 'kill' their children.

'accidentally' or 'on purpose'.

Anyway,

Good job though, by Police Scotland, 'seeing' the 'wood from the trees' in rapidly 'solving' the Kular 'case'

No 'layers' being 'peeled back' there, STRAIGHT to an 'obvious suspect', the mother, the very LAST person, to ADMIT to 'seeing' him, alive.

Remind me, WHO was the very LAST 'person' to ADMIT to 'seeing' Madeleine, alive, in her bed, at, 9:15pm, 3rd May 2007?

Remind me, WHO was the very LAST person/s to 'see' a live Madeleine, AFTER, 9:15pm 3rd May 2007?

Here's a 'clue': It was NOT JT, It was NOT MO. It was NOT any member of the Smith 'family'.

R.I.P. Mikaeel.

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by Doug D on 11.05.15 12:56

Aquila:
 
‘There's something quite remarkable about this report.

It's quite remarkable that not a single media camera has published any coverage of the service. Not a single photograph of Fiona Payne who stood in for her friend.
 
There is an emotive photograph of a blonde little girl standing in front of what I can only assume is 'the tree of hope' bedecked with green and yellow ribbons with an age progression photograph of Madeleine tied to the railings in the background and a couple of photographs attached to white painted branches.’
 
I quite agree. There is nothing I can find in the Leicester Mercury and the Mirror is the only paper that reported on the ‘crowds of well wishers’, but only showing last years photos, until this came out a week later.
 
No photos to be found anywhere, yet this purports to be a ‘Getty Images’ photo, so it is unlikely that there was only one photo taken. No exif data on the article photo of course, although that may well be normal.
 
Could this be either Lilly or Scarlett?
 
Surely there was somebody out there who went through Rothley that afternoon and saw something or was there just nothing and nobody to see?

At the end of the day it doesn't matter, but it's just that with all things McCann, it doesn't really add up.

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by jeanmonroe on 11.05.15 13:08

Could this be either Lilly or Scarlett? (Payne)
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The little girl 'photographed' in Express 'article'

One of Fiona Payne's, (or is it Webster, these days?) 'children'?

Not, imo, beyond 'using' their kids, to 'advance' their er, 'agenda'.

'STAGED' like so 'much' in 'missing' Madeleine 'case'?

"Couldn't be us, we were all at beach side cafe, THAT 'afternoon'" said the 'T7', "WE, are ALL on CCTV, so there! NOT US!"

GMTA Doug D.

I was going to ask the same thing.

'pipped' at the 'post'!

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by Guest on 11.05.15 13:51

@aquila wrote:Snipped from Daily Express article

"A week ago friends of the McCanns joined villagers in Rothley, Leicstershire, to mark the eighth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. Kate and Gerry could not be there as they were visiting her seriously ill father Brian in Liverpool.

In her place, Fiona Payne read out a poem, The Tree Of Hope. 
On a tree children attached touching messages. One wrote: “Dear God, please help all the missing children in the world and bring them back to their families. "

"Make sure they are in safe hands and are going to be reunited with their families. Please bring Madeleine back to us. Amen.”



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There's something quite remarkable about this report.

It's quite remarkable that not a single media camera has published any coverage of the service. Not a single photograph of Fiona Payne who stood in for her friend.

There is an emotive photograph of a blonde little girl standing in front of what I can only assume is 'the tree of hope' bedecked with green and yellow ribbons with an age progression photograph of Madeleine tied to the railings in the background and a couple of photographs attached to white painted branches.

There is no mention of how many villagers of Rothley turned out to what is to all intents and purpose an organised event.

There is no televised media coverage as in the past.

What there is, and I find it disturbing, is children who should be out enjoying their childhood having to think about missing children and writing things to place on a 'tree of hope'.

Madeleine went missing 8 years ago. Her own parents tell of how they have struggled to find normality for their twins and yet other people's children are concerned with missing children, as is an unknown quantity of people in Rothley attending a pre-arranged, pre-planned service.

Is every church attending child in Rothley to be tainted by the disappearance of Madeleine and to be concerned with children going missing?

Just an observation.
Perhaps they've organised an event for tomorrow, 12th May.
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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by aquila on 11.05.15 18:35

Ladyinred wrote:
@aquila wrote:Snipped from Daily Express article

"A week ago friends of the McCanns joined villagers in Rothley, Leicstershire, to mark the eighth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. Kate and Gerry could not be there as they were visiting her seriously ill father Brian in Liverpool.

In her place, Fiona Payne read out a poem, The Tree Of Hope. 
On a tree children attached touching messages. One wrote: “Dear God, please help all the missing children in the world and bring them back to their families. "

"Make sure they are in safe hands and are going to be reunited with their families. Please bring Madeleine back to us. Amen.”



......................

There's something quite remarkable about this report.

It's quite remarkable that not a single media camera has published any coverage of the service. Not a single photograph of Fiona Payne who stood in for her friend.

There is an emotive photograph of a blonde little girl standing in front of what I can only assume is 'the tree of hope' bedecked with green and yellow ribbons with an age progression photograph of Madeleine tied to the railings in the background and a couple of photographs attached to white painted branches.

There is no mention of how many villagers of Rothley turned out to what is to all intents and purpose an organised event.

There is no televised media coverage as in the past.

What there is, and I find it disturbing, is children who should be out enjoying their childhood having to think about missing children and writing things to place on a 'tree of hope'.

Madeleine went missing 8 years ago. Her own parents tell of how they have struggled to find normality for their twins and yet other people's children are concerned with missing children, as is an unknown quantity of people in Rothley attending a pre-arranged, pre-planned service.

Is every church attending child in Rothley to be tainted by the disappearance of Madeleine and to be concerned with children going missing?

Just an observation.
Perhaps they've organised an event for tomorrow, 12th May.
If I were a cynic ('eaven forbid) I'd consider this lack of media coverage was because not a lot of people turned out - unless Murray can prove otherwise with a few photographs from his newspaper's cameras.

It's disturbing to use children in a media piece and not show a photograph of Fiona Payne's tearfulness when standing in for her friend and reading a poem. That would be Fiona Payne, who is campaigning on behalf of Missing Children and doing a bike ride challenge to raise funds.

It's akin to product placement.

It makes me really sad for all the children of Rothley who are dragged into worrying their little heads about missing children. Madeleine didn't go missing from Rothley and yet the children of Rothley, eight years on are portrayed in the body copy of what is a truly dreadful article.

Let's see what tomorrow brings.

Just my opinion.
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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by Lands_end on 11.05.15 22:38

@aquila wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:
@aquila wrote:Snipped from Daily Express article

"A week ago friends of the McCanns joined villagers in Rothley, Leicstershire, to mark the eighth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. Kate and Gerry could not be there as they were visiting her seriously ill father Brian in Liverpool.

In her place, Fiona Payne read out a poem, The Tree Of Hope. 
On a tree children attached touching messages. One wrote: “Dear God, please help all the missing children in the world and bring them back to their families. "

"Make sure they are in safe hands and are going to be reunited with their families. Please bring Madeleine back to us. Amen.”



......................

There's something quite remarkable about this report.

It's quite remarkable that not a single media camera has published any coverage of the service. Not a single photograph of Fiona Payne who stood in for her friend.

There is an emotive photograph of a blonde little girl standing in front of what I can only assume is 'the tree of hope' bedecked with green and yellow ribbons with an age progression photograph of Madeleine tied to the railings in the background and a couple of photographs attached to white painted branches.

There is no mention of how many villagers of Rothley turned out to what is to all intents and purpose an organised event.

There is no televised media coverage as in the past.

What there is, and I find it disturbing, is children who should be out enjoying their childhood having to think about missing children and writing things to place on a 'tree of hope'.

Madeleine went missing 8 years ago. Her own parents tell of how they have struggled to find normality for their twins and yet other people's children are concerned with missing children, as is an unknown quantity of people in Rothley attending a pre-arranged, pre-planned service.

Is every church attending child in Rothley to be tainted by the disappearance of Madeleine and to be concerned with children going missing?

Just an observation.
Perhaps they've organised an event for tomorrow, 12th May.
If I were a cynic ('eaven forbid) I'd consider this lack of media coverage was because not a lot of people turned out - unless Murray can prove otherwise with a few photographs from his newspaper's cameras.

It's disturbing to use children in a media piece and not show a photograph of Fiona Payne's tearfulness when standing in for her friend and reading a poem. That would be Fiona Payne, who is campaigning on behalf of Missing Children and doing a bike ride challenge to raise funds.

It's akin to product placement.

It makes me really sad for all the children of Rothley who are dragged into worrying their little heads about missing children. Madeleine didn't go missing from Rothley and yet the children of Rothley, eight years on are portrayed in the body copy of what is a truly dreadful article.

Let's see what tomorrow brings.

Just my opinion.
I wondered this as well. Whatever are the rest of the Churchgoing parents in Rothley thinking? Would you expose your innocent child to what can only be described as evil then used as a manipulation medium. Truly horrible.

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by happychick on 12.05.15 8:27

Here's some more children who have been used.  None of those children would have volunteered to do what they're doing, surely? And Kate and Gerry look like they're doing a Royal walkabout in their Pope-meeting clothes.


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Post by Joss on 12.05.15 9:39

@happychick wrote:Here's some more children who have been used. Those two very sad-looking little girls in the bottom photo have been abused in my view, they have been decorated like Christmas trees for the McCann propaganda.  None of those children would have volunteered to do what they're doing, surely? And Kate and Gerry look like they're doing a Royal walkabout in their Pope-meeting clothes.



The McC's are worse than disgusting with their propoganda IMO. Involving little children in their crazy campaign, what the hell are they thinking? They should just get on their bike and eff off, again IMO.
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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by j.rob on 12.05.15 10:16

@Joss wrote:
@happychick wrote:Here's some more children who have been used. Those two very sad-looking little girls in the bottom photo have been abused in my view, they have been decorated like Christmas trees for the McCann propaganda.  None of those children would have volunteered to do what they're doing, surely? And Kate and Gerry look like they're doing a Royal walkabout in their Pope-meeting clothes.



The McC's are worse than disgusting with their propoganda IMO. Involving little children in their crazy campaign, what the hell are they thinking? They should just get on their bike and eff off, again IMO.

This is what makes all this McScam circus so deeply distasteful.

We know that there are so many inconsistencies in their statements. Every red flag points in their direction. And yet they are supposedly championing the cause of missing children. When one of their own disappeared in incredibly suspicious circumstances.

But is there any public support for them now, apart from some brown-noses and those who are implicated in some way in what happened or would face embarrassment if the truth came out (and unfortunately there seem to be a remarkable number of these).

I agree. It is very cynical to promote their 'campaign' using photos of young children when their own child 'disappeared' in such very sinister circumstances.

And there is not one piece of evidence that points towards their abduction theory. Not one.

Evidence of stranger abduction -  zero

Must have been a tough case to keep going all this time given that the evidence of an atypical stranger abduction is zero. No wonder they are looking at bungling burglars.

Clutching at straws. It really is an insult to public intelligence, imo.

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by HelenMeg on 12.05.15 10:22

Nice one Natasha !

http://portugalresident.com/maddie-cop%E2%80%99s-legal-fund-%E2%80%9Cwell-on-the-way%E2%80%9D-to-the-%E2%82%AC25000-target

Within 11 days, the British fighting fund set up to help the former policeman dubbed by UK media as the “Maddie Lie Cop” has reached over €13,000.
The target - set by young psychology student Leanne Baulch who was only 14 at the time Madeleine McCann went missing - is now less than €11,000 away, and donations are coming in bit by bit every few hours.
The extraordinary aspect of this latest appeal is that it has been taken up by so many and no matter what the size of donations, people show their feelings that Amaral has been “badly treated” for reasons no-one appears able to fathom.
Indeed, the €500,000 damages set by judge Emília Melo e Castro, plus the further €106,000 in interest - all destined to compensate the parents of Madeleine for the distress Amaral’s book The Truth of the Lie caused them - are reported to be the highest ever awarded against a Portuguese citizen.
With questions constantly appearing on the fund website asking “what is being covered up”, Brits are giving in droves, with donors ranging from grandparents to young people who were teenagers at the time Madeleine went missing.
One of the most recent of the 819 givers was grandmother Kathleen Conell who deposited her £50 saying: “I worry about your safety and only wish someone wealthy with courage would adopt your cause. The corruption in both the UK and Portuguese establishments must be stopped. Democracy is finished otherwise.”
As this latest example of “people-power” righting what they see is a wrong plays out, the mainstream British media is making much of the so-called string of burglaries that appears to have taken place on the resort from which Madeleine went missing just over eight years ago.
Sunday Express writer James Murray has written that British police “have established a pattern of attacks on children in the Algarve… which could lead to a host of other sordid crimes being solved”.
It’s a line that has surfaced every now and then in this infinite mystery and which many query, as if there truly had been a spate of attacks on children in the Algarve, the feeling is that local and national media would have heard about them.
As a source told us this week, what were originally described as “five or six cases, then morphed into over a dozen and suddenly exploded into 30 cases or so, if we are to believe the UK media”.
Meantime, the instigator of the British appeal fund raising money for Amaral’s appeal tells us she has been approached by a number of UK newspapers, but none of them are keen to write about her effort until it reaches the €25,000 target.
By NATASHA DONN natasha.donn@algarveresident.com

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Post by plebgate on 12.05.15 10:27

Very fair reporting and well done that girl clapping


UK newspapers not keen to report this until the target has been reached ! - probably don't want to be accused of helping promote the fund  -  bit late now aint it.   big grin big grin big grin

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by Lands_end on 12.05.15 11:10

@happychick wrote:Here's some more children who have been used. Those two very sad-looking little girls in the bottom photo have been abused in my view, they have been decorated like Christmas trees for the McCann propaganda.  None of those children would have volunteered to do what they're doing, surely? And Kate and Gerry look like they're doing a Royal walkabout in their Pope-meeting clothes.




Please please someone who has an ear into Social Services, consider the posts and put forward a discreet  case edging towards child abuse. This is not just my opinion, how would all lof you feel if that was your child co-erced into flag waving for that horrible child neglecting pair. [part of this post removed - please consider all personal comments about the McCanns carefully - Mod]
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Post by Joss on 12.05.15 11:36

@Lands_end wrote:

Please please someone who has an ear into Social Services, consider the posts and put forward a discreet  case edging towards child abuse. This is not just my opinion, how would all lof you feel if that was your child co-erced into flag waving for that horrible child neglecting pair. [part of this post removed - please consider all personal comments about the McCanns carefully - Mod]
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I agree, it does border on abuse. Those kids have nothing to do with the McCann case, so why are they being dragged into this nonsense? Children that age shouldn't have to be concerned with what is going on in the case, that is up to the authorities to pursue. Children that age should be having fun with their friends, not swept up into a missing child case. I mean its not like Madeleine went missing from their school or something, and i think they are taught about stranger danger. The missing child went missing in a foreign country at the vulnerability of the parents having left them all alone in a foreign country in a strange environment.
How unconscionable this all is.
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Post by Lands_end on 12.05.15 12:07

@Joss wrote:
@Lands_end wrote:

Please please someone who has an ear into Social Services, consider the posts and put forward a discreet  case edging towards child abuse. This is not just my opinion, how would all lof you feel if that was your child co-erced into flag waving for that horrible child neglecting pair. [part of this post removed - please consider all personal comments about the McCanns carefully - Mod]
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I agree, it does border on abuse. Those kids have nothing to do with the McCann case, so why are they being dragged into this nonsense? Children that age shouldn't have to be concerned with what is going on in the case, that is up to the authorities to pursue. Children that age should be having fun with their friends, not swept up into a missing child case. I mean its not like Madeleine went missing from their school or something, and i think they are taught about stranger danger. The missing child went missing in a foreign country at the vulnerability of the parents having left them all alone in a foreign country in a strange environment.
How unconscionable this all is.
Thanks for the kind compliments Joss. Note my highlight on stranger danger. We all on here believe that this was not an action perpetrated by a stranger but most probably by the very people empowered to protect them at all costs and in that they have miserably failed. If this reinforces the stranger danger to these children then it is advantageous in its own right. However, it does cause me to ask one question:
Are there NO parents of these children who have themselves questioned the party line? Surely they cannot all be supporters of "eating in your home garden" thesis. By the way, most crimes against children are perptrated by close family members or friends. A little girl is missing presumed dead, that is the real tragedy here.

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by Joss on 12.05.15 13:27

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Please please someone who has an ear into Social Services, consider the posts and put forward a discreet  case edging towards child abuse. This is not just my opinion, how would all lof you feel if that was your child co-erced into flag waving for that horrible child neglecting pair. [part of this post removed - please consider all personal comments about the McCanns carefully - Mod]
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I agree, it does border on abuse. Those kids have nothing to do with the McCann case, so why are they being dragged into this nonsense? Children that age shouldn't have to be concerned with what is going on in the case, that is up to the authorities to pursue. Children that age should be having fun with their friends, not swept up into a missing child case. I mean its not like Madeleine went missing from their school or something, and i think they are taught about stranger danger. The missing child went missing in a foreign country at the vulnerability of the parents having left them all alone in a foreign country in a strange environment.
How unconscionable this all is.
Thanks for the kind compliments Joss. Note my highlight on stranger danger. We all on here believe that this was not an action perpetrated by a stranger but most probably by the very people empowered to protect them at all costs and in that they have miserably failed. If this reinforces the stranger danger to these children then it is advantageous in its own right. However, it does cause me to ask one question:
Are there NO parents of these children who have themselves questioned the party line? Surely they cannot all be supporters of "eating in your home garden" thesis. By the way, most crimes against children are perptrated by close family members or friends. A little girl is missing presumed dead, that is the real tragedy here.
Yes i agree with what you say. It is odd to me how this all came about actually, what was said to these children?, who decided this was a good idea to get children out there in the spotlight?, what are they hoping to achieve by involving small children? Its not like they are older high school kids that can think for themselves.
And yes, from the statistics that have been posted on here, and other missing child cases i have followed in the U.S., it is around 80-90% or higher involvement of parents, family or someone that knows the child.
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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by melisande on 12.05.15 14:16

Fair article.  Are the McCann's not promoting their daughter's 12th birthday today? Maybe they are worried that if they do, it will also promote Dr Amaral's fund.

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by Nina on 12.05.15 19:14

@melisande wrote:Fair article.  Are the McCann's not promoting their daughter's 12th birthday today? Maybe they are worried that if they do, it will also promote Dr Amaral's fund.
They didn't need to melisande as people have been donating £12 for Madeleine's 12th birthday all day.

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by jeanmonroe on 12.05.15 19:37

Thankyou, whoever you are, for putting in the 'scrolling' banner, Judge Maria Emilia Melo e Castro's 'astute' observation.

(Page 48)

"IT IS IMPORTANT to keep in mind that IT IS NOT ILLEGAL to SUSTAIN the THESIS, according to which, Madeleine McCann died in the apartment of Praia da Luz and THAT HER BODY WAS CONCEALED BY HER PARENTS."

Thankyou. roses

(Will the McCann's HAVE to 'sue' the Judge now, for her 'observation', which, surely, must cause the McCann's the same 'symptoms' for them, as GA and others, supposedly 'caused'?)

GOT to 'sue' the Judge, who awarded them E500,000, don't they?

We'll 'see'!

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Re: "We must NEVER give up on Maddie" - James Murray, Sunday Express, 10 May 2015

Post by XTC on 12.05.15 22:16

@jeanmonroe wrote:Thankyou, whoever you are, for putting in the 'scrolling' banner, Judge Maria Emilia Melo e Castro's 'astute' observation.

(Page 48)

"IT IS IMPORTANT to keep in mind that IT IS NOT ILLEGAL to SUSTAIN the THESIS, according to which, Madeleine McCann died in the apartment of Praia da Luz and THAT HER BODY WAS CONCEALED BY HER PARENTS."

Thankyou. roses

(Will the McCann's HAVE to 'sue' the Judge now, for her 'observation', which, surely, must cause the McCann's the same 'symptoms' for them, as GA and others, supposedly 'caused'?)

GOT to 'sue' the Judge, who awarded them E500,000, don't they?

We'll 'see'!
I'm no legal expert but the statement above implies that if   Mr Amaral has not acted illegally ( meaning criminally ) by sustaining his thesis then
the banning of his book in a Civil case is not sustainable either.

Fisrt port of call - free of charge - should be to high tail it to the previous three judges and ask them to confirm whether they were correct or whether  this judge alone can supercede their decison?

If Mr Amaral has acted in a criminal manner then shouldn't this particular judge now be approaching the Portuguese equivalent of the CPS with
a view to charges being made against him?

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