Re: FIRST photo

by Angelique 25.04.15 8:55

I have just been able to contact my relative regarding the Kodak printer. Sorry it's taken a while but he was called away at short notice and has only just returned.

He says that he has a Kodak printer which reads from a USB stick and a Reader. He purchased his about 3 years ago. However, he says that If you could afford it this technology would have been available in 2007. Let's face it we only have AT's statement that it was her boyfriends - it could easily have been supplied by someone else.

On this point about a lap top/printer being available, during discussions on MM about various items in 5a and why they used the sticker book to write the timelines, why not paper. It was suggested it was the first thing which came to hand, I think it may even have been in one of the statements. I trawled through the photo's and there is one particular picture that shows the inside of a wardrobe, I will see if I can find it, which I am reasonably sure shows a pack of hp printer paper on the top shelf.

If it is printer paper, its not something you would normally find in a holiday let or you would include in your luggage.

by aiyoyo 25.04.15 10:03

Angelique wrote:
He says that he has a Kodak printer which reads from a USB stick and a Reader. He purchased his about 3 years ago. However, he says that If you could afford it this technology would have been available in 2007. Let's face it we only have AT's statement that it was her boyfriends - it could easily have been supplied by someone else.

On this point about a lap top/printer being available, during discussions on MM about various items in 5a and why they used the sticker book to write the timelines, why not paper. It was suggested it was the first thing which came to hand, I think it may even have been in one of the statements. I trawled through the photo's and there is one particular picture that shows the inside of a wardrobe, I will see if I can find it, which I am reasonably sure shows a pack of hp printer paper on the top shelf.

If it is printer paper, its not something you would normally find in a holiday let or you would include in your luggage.

Interesting.
They would still need to have the USB stick and a Reader.
Assuming Reader to mean a 'Kodak' Camera or a PC.

I revisit the PJ photos.
Photo specimen nr. 2563 (cupboard contents), there is some what appears to be files or new rim of papers on the top shelf.
It isn't a clear image. Hard to tell what they were, but they are colourful and look to me like stationery.

However, I'm thinking if they were printer papers, surely that would not have escaped the attention/notice of the PJ.

by Rufus T 25.04.15 10:24

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Not very good quality image, but does look like it could be a package of A4 paper.

Photo courtesy of mccannfiles.

by HelenMeg 25.04.15 11:18

It could be printer paper - but for me it also could be slim book, DVD / CD case amongst many other things. If we could get more of a closeup it would be easier to tell.
Just saying we cant be certain it is printer paper

by aiyoyo 25.04.15 11:50

DVD/CD cases are not that form or shape. Too large.
Anyway why would they bring DVD or CD cases for holiday?
They didn't stay in and watch movies. HA HA ...

Personally I don't think it is printer paper or the PJ would have noticed them straight away.

by Rufus T 25.04.15 12:06

aiyoyo wrote:DVD/CD cases are not that form or shape. Too large.
Anyway why would they bring DVD or CD cases for holiday?
They didn't stay in and watch movies. HA HA ...

Personally I don't think it is printer paper or the PJ would have noticed them straight away.

Agreed. Just wish we had a better quality image as even using my loupe the picture is too grainy to make out what the package says.

by Angelique 25.04.15 12:29

Rufus T

That is the photo I was referring to and I agree, if one could get a better image we could be sure. But I have used hp printer paper in the past and what made me think it is hp printer paper is the colour on the wrapper. But who can say and why did they need it?

by Richard IV 25.04.15 14:23

I think you`re right about the HP Everyday copy paper
Can be bought in Asda these days - don`t know about 2007

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by Richard IV 25.04.15 14:55

Wonder if it can be bought in Praia da Luz - if not, they must have bought it with them. Very suspect IMO

by HelenMeg 25.04.15 16:39

Now you have posted the photos of HP print paper -yes I see what you mean - remarkably similar packaging in what seem to be the correct colours

by aiyoyo 25.04.15 16:44

Why on earth would they want to bring printer paper on holiday?
They look unopened package to me.
Can't be printer paper...where's the rest of the opened ones then that ROB and AT being using ?

by Liz Eagles 25.04.15 16:47

HelenMeg wrote:Now you have posted the photos of HP print paper -yes I see what you mean - remarkably similar packaging in what seem to be the correct colours

What correct colours? A grainy photograph with something unidentifiable on a shelf has now been declared as a couple of packs of HP A4 paper. Sometimes I give up - and I'm not closing the debate down - I'm giving my opinion that this is just something to talk about for the sake of talking.

I hope I haven't offended anyone with my opinion.

by HelenMeg 25.04.15 16:56

I have tried copying and editing picture in Picasa and whilst I cant get a very clear picture the letters on the yellow background are remarkably similar in style to the HP logo - so very well might be printer paper package - good spot!

by HelenMeg 25.04.15 17:00

aquila wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:Now you have posted the photos of HP print paper -yes I see what you mean - remarkably similar packaging in what seem to be the correct colours
What correct colours? A grainy photograph with something unidentifiable on a shelf has now been declared as a couple of packs of HP A4 paper. Sometimes I give up - and I'm not closing the debate down - I'm giving my opinion that this is just something to talk about for the sake of talking.

I hope I haven't offended anyone with my opinion.

I think you are being a bit harsh! I dont think anyone can see that it is definitely printer paper on the shelf - but I have just spent 15 minutes enlarging and zooming and sharpening and think there is a good chance
it could be HP printer paper, especially because the HP logo looks similar to the letters on the side of the object, and the yellow rectangular section of the object is in keeping with the HP packaging..

But there is also a good chance it could be something entirely different.. so ...but I am not an expert with photos. But by manipulating colour / contrast and zooming in etc it maybe possible to clarify the letters or logo on the side.

by HelenMeg 25.04.15 17:03

Even if someone is able to clarify that it is Printer paper - all it tells us is that the MC cANNS had printer paper in their cupboard. It does not prove anything - but added together with a lot of other
factors it may help
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by Liz Eagles 25.04.15 17:10

HelenMeg wrote:
aquila wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:Now you have posted the photos of HP print paper -yes I see what you mean - remarkably similar packaging in what seem to be the correct colours
What correct colours? A grainy photograph with something unidentifiable on a shelf has now been declared as a couple of packs of HP A4 paper. Sometimes I give up - and I'm not closing the debate down - I'm giving my opinion that this is just something to talk about for the sake of talking.

I hope I haven't offended anyone with my opinion.
I think you are being a bit harsh! I dont think anyone can see that it is definitely printer paper on the shelf - but I have just spent 15 minutes enlarging and zooming and sharpening and think there is a good chance
it could be HP printer paper, especially because the HP logo looks similar to the letters on the side of the object, and the yellow rectangular section of the object is in keeping with the HP packaging..

But there is also a good chance it could be something entirely different.. so ...but I am not an expert with photos. But by manipulating colour / contrast and zooming in etc it maybe possible to clarify the letters or logo on the side.

HelenMeg, I'm not being harsh, I'm giving an opinion.

There is nothing posted up on here that can clarify what the items on the shelf actually are. The photograph is grainy, you (nor anyone else) can post up something meaningful to demonstrate it is a couple of packets of paper - it could be books and yet there is talk of colour and being able to clarify a logo.

I'm not being harsh in any way.

Oh, and just as an aside, if there were a couple of packets of HP A4 paper on the shelf what would that imply?

I'm not being harsh, I want justice for this little girl just the same as most people on this forum.

ETA: I read textusa's latest blog today and it was absolute rubbish.

by HelenMeg 25.04.15 18:17

Fine - you are not being harsh - just putting your point of view. Although I dont know what your point of view on Textusa's latest blog has to do with the First Photo! big grin

by Liz Eagles 25.04.15 18:43

HelenMeg wrote:Fine - you are not being harsh - just putting your point of view. Although I dont know what your point of view on Textusa's latest blog has to do with the First Photo!

Firstly, the largely lame claim at not being good at photos by not just yourself which has turned into there are packs of HP A4 paper on a grainy photograph and there is a correlation between the packs of paper in terms of colour and logo has nothing much to do with the first photo. What next? A4 paper turns miraculously into photo printing paper? The T9 ripped up Madeleine's colouring book when they had a couple of packs of A4 paper not available in Portugal? Come on, don't you think this is nonsense?

Secondly, textusa's latest blog is all about proving something or nothing as there is absolutely no proof of what the daily sheets were for and it goes into minute detail of databases, excel, blah blah which is all supposition and I suspect retaliation to other people's opinions. More importantly it's a reason to be proved right or to mystify.

When a blog such as textusa says 'it's all about swinging' then everything else has to figure around that.

by HelenMeg 25.04.15 22:11

aquila wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:Fine - you are not being harsh - just putting your point of view. Although I dont know what your point of view on Textusa's latest blog has to do with the First Photo!
Firstly, the largely lame claim at not being good at photos by not just yourself which has turned into there are packs of HP A4 paper on a grainy photograph and there is a correlation between the packs of paper in terms of colour and logo has nothing much to do with the first photo. What next? A4 paper turns miraculously into photo printing paper? The T9 ripped up Madeleine's colouring book when they had a couple of packs of A4 paper not available in Portugal? Come on, don't you think this is nonsense?

Secondly, textusa's latest blog is all about proving something or nothing as there is absolutely no proof of what the daily sheets were for and it goes into minute detail of databases, excel, blah blah which is all supposition and I suspect retaliation to other people's opinions. More importantly it's a reason to be proved right or to mystify.

When a blog such as textusa says 'it's all about swinging' then everything else has to figure around that.

This is what I wrote (note in [particular the text in bold) :
"I think you are being a bit harsh! I dont think anyone can see that it is definitely printer paper on the shelf - but I have just spent 15 minutes enlarging and zooming and sharpening and think there is a good chance it could be HP printer paper, especially because the HP logo looks similar to the letters on the side of the object, and the yellow rectangular section of the object is in keeping with the HP packaging.. But there is also a good chance it could be something entirely different.. so ...but I am not an expert with photos. But by manipulating colour / contrast and zooming in etc it maybe possible to clarify the letters or logo on the side."

In other words I remain open minded as to what this object may be..and to be honest I dont particularly care. As I previously mentioned, even if it is printer paper it doesn't prove anything.

If you haven't admired what Textusa has to say then try Blacksmith - there's another post today which I quite enjoyed. OK off to participate in last orders! Cheers

by lj 26.04.15 0:18

Ah Blacksmith
"opens valves of rage, contempt and frustration, the hiss of escaping steam monotonously audible throughout…”

by **Jill Havern** 01.07.15 21:12

Whatever happened to this discussion about the First Photo?

Peter? Tigger?

by **PeterMac** 01.07.15 22:04

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Whatever happened to this discussion about the First Photo?
Peter? Tigger?

It is being conducted in private, between people who have specialised knowledge, deal in facts, and can control their emotions !

EDITED TO ADD . . .

As incidentally is a lot more about this case. Much of what is finalised and agreed upon after rigorous analysis by those concerned, and after proper referencing,
is then submitted to the PJ, to GA, and to Grange.

One day it may come out.

by **tigger** 02.07.15 10:19

Re the printer paper discussion. I'm pretty sure the item(s) in the cupboard are videos. Iirc the TV appears to have a video slot which is visible on some photographs.

In my opinion the 'abduction' wasn't meant to run for as long as it has done. I feel the initial plan/concept was that it would run for about 5/6 months or so in the media. It would be interesting to know when exactly Bell Pottinger got their half a million to keep the case on the front pages for a year.
Something changed early on and it may well have been the internet explosion of 50 million views. That may have turned TM's heads. Never mind the world, let's go for the entire Milky Way!

So as far as the photographs go, they could have been part of the initial publicity push and following that, the parents would have been the news, working for charities, European representative for Amber Alert, working tirelessly for all missing children in the world. At one point - certainly once they'd been made arguidos imo - it all turned back to Maddie.

So I'd imagine that there wouldn't be that many photographs of Maddie needed in the early days, The coloboma was the key ingrediënt in any photo: coloboma = Maddie. So by adding one small black stripe/dot almost any suitable baby or blondish child was identified as Maddie.
If anyone wants to lift the coloboma (The logic gates) post from my blog you're welcome. I only run the blog to put information and references in one place, I do not use cookies, make no money of the blog. It's for general information.

I still think the first photograph looked most like the girl the nannies thought was Maddie. Imo the playground photograph isn't Maddie. The last photo does show Maddie but imo at about 3 yrs old. That's just an opinion, I might be wrong or right, either way it is a step nearer the truth.

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