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Re: 'Homophobic bigot', Daniel McArthur, defendant in Court case (26 March 2015) brought by the Equalities Commission, explains his case to hundreds - and gets a huge round of applause

Post by BlueBag on 20.05.15 9:42

Good post Aquila.

I too have had to wait at the Co-Op checkout whilst the Muslim cashier called someone else to serve me alcohol.

No big deal for me.

I notice the lefty liberal homosexual activists are not challenging Islam.

They are probably confused because it conflicts with their multicultural agenda.

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Post by Joss on 20.05.15 9:49

@aquila wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Will Muslim Butchers now have to sell Pork ?
Ah, No. I thought not.

In a nutshell Peter!
I can see all sides of the argument and I'm no further forward.

A few years ago an acquaintance of mine went into a store in UK to buy Christmas stocking fillers - the usual tat that is purchased more for its packaging than its content. This white girl (who lived in Kos at the time) was brought up in a Christian country and her beau was a muslim. She and I met in Athens airport to get our connecting flights to UK to go home for Christmas. We also by accident met again on our return flights at another time. She told me she was absolutely disgusted that a muslim woman refused to serve her at the till (the store was BHS) because it contained alcohol and under the religion of Islam she would not handle the transaction due to her religious beliefs. My acquaintance was very vociferous as she waited and held up the queue (who were probably clutching the same products) so that someone else could be found to deal with things. She was subsequently escorted out of BHS by security. This is a young woman who had no problem with religion.

Where it becomes murky for me is where religion and sexuality are put into the same mixing bowl.

Islam and Christianity have no place for homosexuality in their scripts and yet both religions are riddled with latent/disguised/covered up homosexuality within. It's a sin to be homosexual say both.

Homosexual activists really get on my wick. There is more freedom for homosexuality than there has ever been and yet still the activists demand more and more and more - even homosexuals who live regular lives are horrified by them, particularly in this case as it does nothing other than defeat everyone in and around it. It's clearly been designed as a landmark target in Northern Ireland.

What I find completely astonishing is the utter disregard for the feelings of homosexuals who lead good and integrated lives by homosexual activists.

This fiasco wasn't about a cake. This was about homosexual (I refuse to use the word gay as homosexuals ought to be repulsed by that description imo) activists in Northern Ireland where the law is about to be shoved down your throat whether you like or not.

As I say, I'm still no further forward.
They obviously think that raping children is ok. too, sick f***ers  Evil or Very Mad They are an abomination IMO. I read a terrible story today about this kind of thing here in Australia in a news article, and how many lives it destroyed and the cruelty that was inflicted, to the point where those children as adults committed suicide. The emotional and physical scars are too much to bear.

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Post by Joss on 20.05.15 9:52

@BlueBag wrote:Good post Aquila.

I too have had to wait at the Co-Op checkout whilst the Muslim cashier called someone else to serve me alcohol.

No big deal for me.

I notice the lefty liberal homosexual activists are not challenging Islam.

They are probably confused because it conflicts with their multicultural agenda.

Never disagree with tolerant people, they won't tolerate it.
 LOL, Everyone has their cut off point, regardless of how tolerant they are.
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Post by Richard IV on 20.05.15 11:01

In my experience, most people have nothing against a man loving a man, it`s sodomy that people find abhorent, which IMO has nothing to do with love. Experience comes from nursing in A&E and seeing the results.  So, is the law of the land pressuring all citizens to accept such things as OK ?
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Post by Mo on 20.05.15 11:11

@Richard IV wrote:In my experience, most people have nothing against a man loving a man, it`s sodomy that people find abhorent, which IMO has nothing to do with love. Experience comes from nursing in A&E and seeing the results.  So, is the law of the land pressuring all citizens to accept such things as OK ?
Sodomy happens between men and women/ husband and wife also.

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Post by Richard IV on 20.05.15 11:18

@Mo wrote:
@Richard IV wrote:In my experience, most people have nothing against a man loving a man, it`s sodomy that people find abhorent, which IMO has nothing to do with love. Experience comes from nursing in A&E and seeing the results.  So, is the law of the land pressuring all citizens to accept such things as OK ?
Sodomy happens between men and women/ husband and wife also.
I worked in A&E - so that`s something I`m not unaware of.
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Post by plebgate on 20.05.15 11:33

@Amy Dean wrote:
@plebgate wrote:http://www.gotquestions.org/born-again.html

@knitted, I should think many Born Again Christians were "exposed" to religion as children either through parents or school/church, but  did not accept what they were told?

At the end of the day the judge had to uphold the law of the country - that's what it comes down to for me.

No discrimination in the workplace.

Interesting that the Irish people have a vote on Friday on whether homosexuality should be legalised in the country.   

Also interesting that we did not, AFAIK anyway.
The vote on Friday is whether or not gay marriage should be allowed in Ireland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/11614313/Ireland-gay-marriage-referendum-what-you-need-to-know.html
Thanks AmyD, I knew it, probs. because early morning posting.    lol.

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Post by Knitted on 20.05.15 12:24

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I notice the lefty liberal homosexual activists are not challenging Islam.
Has there been a Muslim cake shop, standing on a High Street, that refused to serve a Homosexual and 'they' (i.e. your "Lefty liberal Homosexual activists... whoever they are), accepted it and walked away?   If that has been the case then your comment may be justified, if it has not been the case then your comment is nothing more than a hollow piece of rhetoric.

The view that "liberals don't challenge Islam" is not backed up by the evidence. There may be such a perception peddled in the MSM but that's not what happens in practice.

Yes, there are a worrying number of cases about people giving leeway (not to mention failing to prosecute crimes), to Islam for fear of being called an 'Islamaphobe', (whatever that is as again, it's in practice a largely meaningless and emotive term). However, such cases (obviously) are more likely to occur in areas with higher Muslim immigrant populations, and since areas that attract (new and 1st/2nd/3rd generation) immigrants tend to be poorer economically they thus tend to be 'left-leaning' politically. It's thus inevitable the cases that occur, and that we get to hear about are from 'left leaning' councils, etc.  Thus, the 'evidence' behind the perception comes from biased samples and so to draw the conclusion that "Liberals don't challenge Islam" is to confuse correlation and causation. 

Most 'campaigning' and 'activism' in the UK against religious oppression and religious privilege is driven by those that would probably be pigeonholed as being 'on the left' and/or 'liberal', (I'm thinking here of organisations and lobby groups such as the British Humanist Association and I suspect most members of such bodies are likely to be centre-left)).  However, the cold facts are that most challenges and interventions are against inappropriate religious privilege in general. This is followed by challenges to specific to Islam, which is then followed by challenges specifically against Christianity, (despite Islam being the smaller of the two).  That's the fact beneath the sensationalist, though much simplified, myth of a 'left versus right' dichotomy when it comes to who cares more, and who is actually doing more, to tackle the inevitable friction of different cultures grinding against each other and vying to impose their values on others...and most specifically who is doing more to block the excesses of 'the religion of peace', aka Islam.  If people aren't aware of the relentless, and more importantly effective, effort that's directed against all forms of religious intolerance (and thus primarily directed against Islam) that is coming from people that the religious and/or conservative amongst us would ill-informedly, disparagingly and contemptuously call 'Liberal', then they are presumably getting their world-view from the MSM.  The problem here is that 'anti-christian' articles and headlines are simply more eye-catching to the largely White/British readership than 'anti-muslim' ones. 

@PeterMac  "Will Muslim Butchers now have to sell Pork ? Ah, No. I thought not."  At first I thought it was valid point and I nodded and chuckled in agreement. However, on reflection it's comparing apples and pears.  If the baker in this story had said "I don't sell buns with Wiccan Pentagrams on them because that's against my religion" then that's his prerogative and he's not falling foul of any laws; however, if he said "I sell buns with any design" but then won't do so with messages on them that I don't agree with, then he has exposed himself, rightly or wrongly, to legal challenge.  I'm not taking sides. I'm not saying one party is right and one party is wrong.  The law is often an Ass and the people that prosper from such technicalities are those that work in the gutter of the legal profession... a scourge on any right-minded civilisation if ever there was! Almost as bad as those in Marketing!!

This case does sound silly when you think of it as 'just a cake', but when it comes to conflicts between 'values' it can never be a black and white matter.  If religious people can do as they please, defending their actions as 'their conscience' founded on their belief systems then what happens when a christian keeps someone as a slave... should they be allowed to?  Or if a muslim wants to marry a girl under 16... should they be allowed to?  Put 100 people in a room with 100 different scenarios where society might be affected by 'religious conscience' and then ask them to each tick what's AOK and irrelevant on the one hand, and mark with an X what oversteps the mark, then you'll probably end up with 100 different lists.  It's all a matter of opinion, and there's no right or wrong, and hence why so many comments have been posted on this thread about whether or not.  Life isn't as simple as 'Left or Right', 'Red or Blue', 'Right or Wrong'... it'd be very dull if it was. To some people that regulated, unambiguous, well-structured, predictability may be the embodiment of 'Heaven'... to me it sounds contrived, restrictive and immensely dull!

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Post by Tony Bennett on 20.05.15 12:58

@Knitted wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Snipped

I notice the lefty liberal homosexual activists are not challenging Islam.
Has there been a Muslim cake shop, standing on a High Street, that refused to serve a Homosexual and 'they' (i.e. your "Lefty liberal Homosexual activists... whoever they are), accepted it and walked away?   If that has been the case then your comment may be justified, if it has not been the case then your comment is nothing more than a hollow piece of rhetoric.
One thing BlueBag cannot be fairly criticised for is 'hollow pieces of rhetoric'.

Occasionally the reverse is true, he is a man of few words and so direct as to stray into rudeness in the opinion of some.

If you go to YouTube and put in something like 'Gay' 'Cake' 'Muslim', all manner of examples of Muslims refusing to put pro-homosexual images on cakes come up - this one's had nearly 3 million views already:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4

Incidentally, on the intolerance of left liberals, this YouTube by Pat Condell is worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz4PjxSmtoI


Daniel McArthur of Ashers Bakery has a problem now.

He would not create a cake with the words 'Support Gay Marriage' on it.

He has been fined £500 but also had to pay thousands in legal costs.

A homosexual could walk into his bakery tomorrow and say: "Do me a cake with the words 'Support Gay Marriage' on it".

What does he do now?

Another homosexual could walk in the day after and demand: "'Do me a cake with the words 'Stop foreign aid to anti-gay countries' on it".

What does he do?

Another homosexual could walk in and say: "I want a cake which says 'Equality for gays: allow consent to gay sex at 16, not 18' on it".

Again, what does he do?

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Post by Joss on 20.05.15 13:11

What "he could do", is get another employee that perhaps works in his bakery and doesn't care about it, to ice the cakes instead, and so he not have anything to do with it personally. Either that or get out of the bakery business, either way he can still stand his ground, roll

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Post by BlueBag on 20.05.15 13:15

@Joss wrote:What "he could do", is get another employee that perhaps works in his bakery and doesn't care about it, to ice the cakes instead, and so he not have anything to do with it personally. Either that or get out of the bakery business, either way he can still stand his ground, roll
Cultural Marxism.

Agree with us or suffer the consequences.

What the gay person could do is respect the other person's RIGHT TO BELIEF AND OPINION (not the belief or opinion) and find another baker.

Otherwise we end up with a modern day Spanish Inquisition.

I think we're already there actually in many areas.
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Post by Joss on 20.05.15 13:23

@BlueBag wrote:
@Joss wrote:What "he could do", is get another employee that perhaps works in his bakery and doesn't care about it, to ice the cakes instead, and so he not have anything to do with it personally. Either that or get out of the bakery business, either way he can still stand his ground, roll
Cultural Marxism.

Agree with us or suffer the consequences.

What the gay person could do is respect the other person's RIGHT TO BELIEF AND OPINION (not the belief or opinion) and find another baker.

Otherwise we end up with a modern day Sanish Inquisition.

I think we're already there actually in many areas.
Yes, the everything must be politically correct BS. I agree the world has already gone to hell in a handbasket.
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Post by Knitted on 20.05.15 14:50

@Joss wrote:Yes, the everything must be politically correct BS. I agree the world has already gone to hell in a handbasket
Since when is challenging religious bigotry BS?  Surely no one, and no ideology, should go unchallenged?  Giving people, or powerful organisations, or ideologies automatic privilege without redress is surely the greater evil?  That way surely lies hell, that way surely lies the Orwellian nightmare and that way surely lies the greater abuse of individual's rights for free expression.  Please remember that racism, gender inequality and slavery were all at one time defended by christians, who justified their (what most of us would consider to be uncivilised and bigoted) attitudes and values by referring to their holy book.

Cultural change is inevitable, it happens... Yours, and my, and Bluebag's ancestors, even just a few generations ago would probably be incredulous at what we now individually consider to be 'normal' and acceptable.  For some of us the pace of change is too quick, for others the pace of change is too slow.  It would be great if we could all get along and let bygones be bygones but there are times when we all get angry with things...the trouble is there are lawyers on both sides and so, for the legal profession as a whole, it's a win-win regardless of the actual outcome.

I agree with you 100% that political correctness is a ridiculous and contrived mantra. I have submitted my own 'Draw Mohammed' cartoon today, as the 20th May is the annual 'Draw Mohammed Day'...and pay each month to support the online magazine Vive Charlie, (set up after the Charlie Hebdo murders).  However, I extend the same contempt I hold towards political correctness towards the people that think religion should get a free-ride, (hence I am also a member of the BHA).   Look, if the baker had said "I consider sex and kissing and touching between adults of the same sex to be distasteful, it's irrational, but there you go...that's me", then that's honesty..and when people are honest progress can be made, or people can agree to disagree and move on.  However, to hide behind the "we are better than you, you are a lesser mortal" divisive tribalism upon which the Abrahamic religions are founded, is not really a defence. It's a cop-out. Religions, get a lot of favours in our (supposedly 'democratic') society, and christianity gets rather more than the others as they've been around as part of the Establishment in the UK for longer. Why is this allowed to go on?  Why do people who believe that invisible beings on clouds waved wands and made the Cosmos, and in flying horses, in talking ants and in talking snakes have sufficient, automatic and unimpeachable grounds to cause offence to others and then be treated with kid gloves? 

If you value free speech and an individual's right to live freely in accordance with their personal values then it's inevitable that conflicts and differences in opinion will occur.  That's life, agreed?  I'd rather live in a society where such debates and arguments occur than one where they do not... wouldn't you?   If you agree with such individual freedoms as being able to live freely then how do you suggest such differences, when they occur, are resolved? It's a serious question.  Should the baker and the homosexuals have been left to fight it out with fists and weapons?  No. Thankfully we have a degree of civilisation acting as a veneer over our primate instincts.  That veneer is legislation that tries to resolve such conflicts.  Things such as the Human Rights Act is a valid way of giving everyone such freedoms and arbitrating on the inevitable frictions. Yes, it's ridiculous that such 'laws' are used when arbitrating about a blooming cake... but that's life.  Sometimes such Human Rights cases will get it wrong, but mostly, on balance, they get it right because people that are oppressed are better able to live freely, and speak freely and express themselves freely without being stamped upon.  Let's not forget Snr. Amaral recently stated that he considers he is justified in his actions because of what is enshrined in Human Rights legislation.  It's that same Human Rights Act that will protect the Christian Snr. Amaral as was behind the adjudication in the favour of the homosexuals. Yes, in one instance the stakes are much higher as we have justice for a dead child in the background, whereas in the other we have a silly cake topping... but the 'logic' of arbitration and supporting free speech that lies behind the two is ultimately the same.

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Post by comperedna on 20.05.15 14:58

No wonder I agree with you so much and think your posts are spot on, Knitted. I'm a member of the BHA too.

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Post by BlueBag on 20.05.15 15:01

Knitted:
"I'd rather live in a society where such debates and arguments occur than one where they do not... wouldn't you?   If you agree with such individual freedoms as being able to live freely then how do you suggest such differences, when they occur, are resolved? It's a serious question.  Should the baker and the homosexuals have been left to fight it out with fists and weapons?  No."
No of course not.... the homosexuals should have walked away and respected the right to a different opinion and set of values.

It cuts both ways.

It might be the baker today that they come for... tomorrow it could be the homosexuals.
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Post by lj on 20.05.15 15:14

snipped from knitted (sorry knitted, I rarely read all of your posts, much too long):


Has there been a Muslim cake shop, standing on a High Street, that refused to serve a Homosexual and 'they' (i.e. your "Lefty liberal Homosexual activists... whoever they are), accepted it and walked away?   If that has been the case then your comment may be justified, if it has not been the case then your comment is nothing more than a hollow piece of rhetoric.

Yes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4&feature=youtu.be

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Post by lj on 20.05.15 15:17

@BlueBag wrote:
@Joss wrote:What "he could do", is get another employee that perhaps works in his bakery and doesn't care about it, to ice the cakes instead, and so he not have anything to do with it personally. Either that or get out of the bakery business, either way he can still stand his ground, roll
Cultural Marxism.

Agree with us or suffer the consequences.

What the gay person could do is respect the other person's RIGHT TO BELIEF AND OPINION (not the belief or opinion) and find another baker.

Otherwise we end up with a modern day Spanish Inquisition.

I think we're already there actually in many areas.

Exactly

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Post by plebgate on 20.05.15 15:35

@PeterMac wrote:Would it be OK to ask for a cake with images of Bestiality ?

http://www.shockingtimes.co.uk/shock-decision-uk-government-to-legalise-bestiality/
the article is dated 1st April PM, prob April Fools "joke".

I got me fuming I can tell you.

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Post by BlueBag on 20.05.15 16:00

@plebgate wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Would it be OK to ask for a cake with images of Bestiality ?

http://www.shockingtimes.co.uk/shock-decision-uk-government-to-legalise-bestiality/
the article is dated 1st April PM, prob April Fools "joke".

I got me fuming I can tell you.
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Post by Joss on 20.05.15 16:01

@Knitted wrote:
@Joss wrote:Yes, the everything must be politically correct BS. I agree the world has already gone to hell in a handbasket
Since when is challenging religious bigotry BS?  Surely no one, and no ideology, should go unchallenged?  Giving people, or powerful organisations, or ideologies automatic privilege without redress is surely the greater evil?  That way surely lies hell, that way surely lies the Orwellian nightmare and that way surely lies the greater abuse of individual's rights for free expression.  Please remember that racism, gender inequality and slavery were all at one time defended by christians, who justified their (what most of us would consider to be uncivilised and bigoted) attitudes and values by referring to their holy book.

Cultural change is inevitable, it happens... Yours, and my, and Bluebag's ancestors, even just a few generations ago would probably be incredulous at what we now individually consider to be 'normal' and acceptable.  For some of us the pace of change is too quick, for others the pace of change is too slow.  It would be great if we could all get along and let bygones be bygones but there are times when we all get angry with things...the trouble is there are lawyers on both sides and so, for the legal profession as a whole, it's a win-win regardless of the actual outcome.

I agree with you 100% that political correctness is a ridiculous and contrived mantra. I have submitted my own 'Draw Mohammed' cartoon today, as the 20th May is the annual 'Draw Mohammed Day'...and pay each month to support the online magazine Vive Charlie, (set up after the Charlie Hebdo murders).  However, I extend the same contempt I hold towards political correctness towards the people that think religion should get a free-ride, (hence I am also a member of the BHA).   Look, if the baker had said "I consider sex and kissing and touching between adults of the same sex to be distasteful, it's irrational, but there you go...that's me", then that's honesty..and when people are honest progress can be made, or people can agree to disagree and move on.  However, to hide behind the "we are better than you, you are a lesser mortal" divisive tribalism upon which the Abrahamic religions are founded, is not really a defence. It's a cop-out. Religions, get a lot of favours in our (supposedly 'democratic') society, and christianity gets rather more than the others as they've been around as part of the Establishment in the UK for longer. Why is this allowed to go on?  Why do people who believe that invisible beings on clouds waved wands and made the Cosmos, and in flying horses, in talking ants and in talking snakes have sufficient, automatic and unimpeachable grounds to cause offence to others and then be treated with kid gloves? 

If you value free speech and an individual's right to live freely in accordance with their personal values then it's inevitable that conflicts and differences in opinion will occur.  That's life, agreed?  I'd rather live in a society where such debates and arguments occur than one where they do not... wouldn't you?   If you agree with such individual freedoms as being able to live freely then how do you suggest such differences, when they occur, are resolved? It's a serious question.  Should the baker and the homosexuals have been left to fight it out with fists and weapons?  No. Thankfully we have a degree of civilisation acting as a veneer over our primate instincts.  That veneer is legislation that tries to resolve such conflicts.  Things such as the Human Rights Act is a valid way of giving everyone such freedoms and arbitrating on the inevitable frictions. Yes, it's ridiculous that such 'laws' are used when arbitrating about a blooming cake... but that's life.  Sometimes such Human Rights cases will get it wrong, but mostly, on balance, they get it right because people that are oppressed are better able to live freely, and speak freely and express themselves freely without being stamped upon.  Let's not forget Snr. Amaral recently stated that he considers he is justified in his actions because of what is enshrined in Human Rights legislation.  It's that same Human Rights Act that will protect the Christian Snr. Amaral as was behind the adjudication in the favour of the homosexuals. Yes, in one instance the stakes are much higher as we have justice for a dead child in the background, whereas in the other we have a silly cake topping... but the 'logic' of arbitration and supporting free speech that lies behind the two is ultimately the same.
I didn't say challenging anything was BS, lol. What i was implying was we have to be so politically correct nowadays or we face litigation in certain instances, as the baker in this case did, and as GA has faced, his life in ruins for writing his opinion, that is BS. Surely we are entitled to have our opinions, and not be forced to do what goes against our morals or what we feel is the right thing for us to do.
And don't get me started about Freedom. None of us are free, we are all slaves to a corrupted system. We are all as free as our Govts. allow us to be free. And authority will never bring about freedom. We are all very mind controlled, and we all Obey because we live within a constant state of fear if we don't.
Look at the people that control us, what are they really?, to give themselves a title of whatever they want us to think they are, which we fall for, and steal the very things that belong to all of us and cause untold misery in this world because of their greed and power games. They do not own us, but they sure act like it, and we also act as if they do. They are taking more and more control of our lives, and like Jim Morrison of the Doors said back in the 60's "What are you gonna do about it"? Most people sit on their backsides and do nothing except talk. So we get what we get. No one else to blame. When do we take back control of our own destinies and tell them all to go take a hike? Probably when it is too late i imagine.

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Re: 'Homophobic bigot', Daniel McArthur, defendant in Court case (26 March 2015) brought by the Equalities Commission, explains his case to hundreds - and gets a huge round of applause

Post by Joss on 20.05.15 16:06

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@PeterMac wrote:Would it be OK to ask for a cake with images of Bestiality ?

http://www.shockingtimes.co.uk/shock-decision-uk-government-to-legalise-bestiality/
the article is dated 1st April PM, prob April Fools "joke".

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Post by aquila on 20.05.15 16:16

@Joss wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:
@plebgate wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Would it be OK to ask for a cake with images of Bestiality ?

http://www.shockingtimes.co.uk/shock-decision-uk-government-to-legalise-bestiality/
the article is dated 1st April PM, prob April Fools "joke".

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is bestiality being the best you can be?
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Post by Knitted on 20.05.15 16:38

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@Joss wrote:Snipped: None of us are free, we are all slaves to a corrupted system. We are all as free as our Govts. allow us to be free. And authority will never bring about freedom. We are all very mind controlled, and we all Obey because we live within a constant state of fear if we don't.
I agree... I now see I wasted my time arguing with you earlier about semantics and details.  "Divide and conquer" works to keep us from rising up.  Cases such as this, much as they are enjoyable and emotive philosophical debates simply play into the hands of the Establishment.  Right now, across many pubs, on many trains and buses, in homes and across social media just imagine the energy expended on arguing about the rights and wrongs of icing a bloody crappy cake!! Just imagine if, instead, all that energy were focused on tackling the corruption inherent in the system, or is focused on re-implementing an alternative to the Reserve Banking System that simply creates the debt that enslaves us all.  I'll now cease on this thread for that very reason and re-focus myself on more strategic matters!!

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