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OPERATION GRANGE: A COMPLAINT TO THE IPCC

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Re: OPERATION GRANGE: A COMPLAINT TO THE IPCC

Post by Joss on 10.04.15 14:34

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@roy rovers wrote:
@Richard IV wrote:Met Police reply to Tony Bennett says  "you do not constitute a complainant under the Police Reform Act 2002 as you have not been adversely affected by the matter".


I`m surprised by this - so you have to be personally adversely affected before you`re even allowed to complain   huh

That would mean no one could complain on someone else`s behalf and it would mean the police could get away with all sorts if only the victim is allowed to complain.  Maybe I`ve not understood it correctly.

So if a person is killed by the police nobody but the dead person can complain?
The surviving close relatives can certainly complain e.g. in the cases of the deaths of Stuart Lubbock, Alex Barrack and Lee Balkwell which I've personally investigated.

But my complaint to the IPCC was not that I had been personally affected - rather that senior Met Police officers might be guilty of the crime of perverting the course of justice. And credible allegations of crimes MUST be investigated.

Just like those evil Met Police officers of days not-so-long-gone-by are now being investigated - senior Met POlice officers who protected the savage and cruel Westminster paedophiles who abused young and vulnerable children to satisfy their unbridled, perverted lusts
ITA, and those responsible for their dastardly deeds in the matter need to be held fully accountable for their criminal behaviour and punished by the full extent of the law in crimes against the vulnerable child victims they did not protect as officers sworn to uphold the laws. What a cruel and unjust world we live in where things like this happen around us secretly to the most vulnerable members of our societies.
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Re: OPERATION GRANGE: A COMPLAINT TO THE IPCC

Post by Joss on 10.04.15 14:36

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@Richard IV wrote:Met Police reply to Tony Bennett says  "you do not constitute a complainant under the Police Reform Act 2002 as you have not been adversely affected by the matter".


I`m surprised by this - so you have to be personally adversely affected before you`re even allowed to complain   huh

That would mean no one could complain on someone else`s behalf and it would mean the police could get away with all sorts if only the victim is allowed to complain.  Maybe I`ve not understood it correctly.
 
Taxpayers are adversely affected if the Police are wasting OUR money!!!

This is a cop-out (so to speak).
I would think so.
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Re: OPERATION GRANGE: A COMPLAINT TO THE IPCC

Post by Tony Bennett on 19.04.15 22:04

Read this powerful argument from 'lazz' today...

...especially if you still have the remotest hint of a belief that Operation Grange is an honest investigation into the truth...

http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/Metropolitan_Police.html

Then send it, with a covering e-mail, to Dame Ann Owers at the IPCC:

enquiries@ipcc.gsi.gov.uk

saying: "I demand that you investigate Operation Grange forthwith".


Don't leave it to a few to do this...

...go on, resolve to help make it many -

and do your bit for the cause

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Post by hentie on 20.04.15 7:38

Agree it shouldn't be left to the few.

Email as you suggest Tony, sent .

'lazz' says it all! Excellent.
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Re: OPERATION GRANGE: A COMPLAINT TO THE IPCC

Post by Carrry On Doctor on 20.04.15 8:24

The overriding theme of Lazz is frustration. We are all frustrated at the apparent lack of progress.

There is no new information in it, just venting anger about what we all know.

The article does nothing to change my view about OG, and I keep the faith.

Just my opinion.
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Post by HelenMeg on 20.04.15 11:57

I believe Op Grange answers to the Home Office and their eventual findings will be driven by what Home Office / PM allows in the interests of the UK / current Government.
 If the investigation / review started out as trying to find a suitable whitewash closure, which I think likely, then it doesnt necessarily mean it will continue to do so. I believe that it is on the road to exposing at least some of the truth of what occurred.

I still think there are many people (some VIPs) that want to ensure that at any cost the truth does not get revealed, therefore O Grange have a difficult job.   IMO.

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Re: OPERATION GRANGE: A COMPLAINT TO THE IPCC

Post by Carrry On Doctor on 20.04.15 12:27

@HelenMeg wrote:I believe Op Grange answers to the Home Office and their eventual findings will be driven by what Home Office / PM allows in the interests of the UK / current Government.
 If the investigation / review started out as trying to find a suitable whitewash closure, which I think likely, then it doesnt necessarily mean it will continue to do so. I believe that it is on the road to exposing at least some of the truth of what occurred.

I still think there are many people (some VIPs) that want to ensure that at any cost the truth does not get revealed, therefore O Grange have a difficult job.   IMO.

Completely agree. Some sort of truth will come out.

This case is far wider than a handful of self centred quacks.

IMO
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Complaint to IPCC

Post by Knitted on 20.04.15 14:49

Well done Hentie and others!

If anyone's interested here's an update on my complaint to the IPCC.

After having the IPCC forward my complaint to the MET, the MET rejected the complaint on the grounds that I did not meet the requirements of a complainant.  n.b. The 'normal' complaints process seems to be very much built around having personal experience of misconduct by members of the Police.  I am therefore appealing, (not that my ex-wife would agree!... Ho Ho Ho!)

So as no one can reject my appeal on a bureaucratic technicality for not following the proper appeal procedures within the necessary 28 day deadline I have decided to diligently follow the formal IPCC appeals process.  The gist of my challenge to the rejection is as follows:

"...Whilst I acknowledge that administrative processes require criteria to operate effectively it is clear that the nature of my complaint falls outside of the ‘normal’ range of ‘witnessing misconduct’ that the complaints’ process has been designed to handle.

My complaint presented robust, factual, grounds to show that limiting Operation Grange’s investigation to ‘an abduction’ scenario runs counter to the Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act 1996, Part 2 [Criminal Investigations], Section 23 –(1), Paragraph (a), that “all reasonable lines of enquiry are pursued” in an investigation. 

The facts underpinning my complaint do not go away simply because my complaint does not readily align with the usual criteria used within the complaints’ process.

(finishing off with...)

As a layman I consider that excluding relevant evidence (through the restriction of an investigation’s remit) is effectively removing (i.e. ‘disposing’) of that evidence from the investigative process. This would therefore appear to meet the criteria of perverting the course of justice under the Common Law of England and Wales. Hence why I consider my complaint to be of a most serious nature, and why it is appropriate to appeal against the Metropolitan Police Service’s failure to record it."

Coming at it from a 'your complaints process is faulty' works best for me (owing to my old job being the challenging of poor, and developing new, business processes for a dysfunctional monolithic employer!).  The logic goes that if my appeal is refused because the process can't accommodate such a complaint then an employee will eventually have to admit their process is imperfect and unsuitable. If/when this happens the inevitable consequence is that an individual has to either take responsibility to remedy the failing, (thus the blockage is removed), or alternatively admit their impotence and lack or empowerment within the system, (which Human egos never like to do!). If, and it rarely happens, there's an admission that the process has gaps but no one takes ownership to resolve the failing then this provides the necessary leverage to become an allowed 'exception' within that process.  Thus the appeal progresses.

If alternatively the appeal is rejected because it is considered invalid then, following through escalation if necessary, someone will be accountable to putting their name to a response that effectively says "I am ignoring the evidence of Eddie & Keela, homicide statistics, the Gaspar statements, etc. and see nothing wrong with limiting the remit to 'an abduction' scenario".  This, of course, has implications for them and I can't see it happening.

So, in light of the above logic I'm confident my complaint and appeal will inevitably be actioned. The current hiccoughs are simply the inevitable bureaucratic 'toing and froing' that happens when making approaches to organisations that either fall outside of the deployed processes or are things they don't want to, but should, do.   If/when it gets bogged down I'm happy to go and see my (personally un-voted for) MP to get them to help force a conclusion.  They don't have to have a view one way or the other on the case, as it will simply have then become a point of un-emotive, impartial, procedural logic that I need their help to unclog.

In the meantime what will, of course, make a difference are all the other individual complaints and appeals that have been sent. Even a brief paragraph of personal concerns provides an audit trail that will be on record that there are members of the public with concerns... and all business processes tend to log contact being made and report the data internally. Those things at the top of the list, with most numbers alongside, then tend to be the things that can't be ignored.

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Re: OPERATION GRANGE: A COMPLAINT TO THE IPCC

Post by HelenMeg on 20.04.15 14:59

Thanks for the update Knitted - it is inspiring..

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Re: OPERATION GRANGE: A COMPLAINT TO THE IPCC

Post by hentie on 20.04.15 16:19

Well done YOU Knitted!

It's one thing to keep posting about the many, I shall call them abnormal issues as no other case has followed the same lines, but Tony is absolutely right, it's the few that actually take action.

I believe it's why so many whom we should be able to respect and hold in high esteem, do what they do.
Because of the apathy of the general public, they know they can get away with it!
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