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Post by PeterMac 03.11.20 9:36

Media comments full of stuff about INNOCENT people being killed . . .

They miss the point entirely.
In Islam EVERY Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Heretic, Apostate and Infidel (unbeliever) is automatically GUILTY
of failing to Submit
I quote
The noun إسلام "Islam" is the masdar (literally "source", but in Arabic grammar "verbal noun") of the verb أسلم "aslama" meaning "to give up, to submit, to surrender, to give into, or to hand over." 
"Islam" in its literal sense thus means "submission", "surrender" or "giving up"

The Qur'an is gives detailed instructions about the penalties to be imposed on those who do not 'Submit"
and also prescribed the exact manner in which they shall be executed. There are more than 100 verses dedicated to this.
Never let anyone tell you it is the Religion of Peace.  That is simply cant and hypocrisy.
These people are not fanatics, or radicalised, or anything else.
They are devout believers, but in a murderous death cult.
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Post by Silentscope 03.11.20 11:08




Unless a solution is found, this may go on for generations to come.
The Ottoman Empire is seizing the opportunity to rise again.
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Post by CaKeLoveR 03.11.20 11:22

I don't believe people are "radicalised" - they act on their inherited mindset, and  collect lunatic non muslims to join them.
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Post by Silentscope 03.11.20 12:32

Their mindset has to be understood because it will not be changed.

Ever.

It will not “adapt” integrate or “fit in” to changing times.
It will never “evolve” into something better.
It will seek to destroy everything it deems to be “evil” because to hate evil is being or doing a good thing.

This is why tolerance and freedom are such a threat to them.

They cannot tolerate anything else because they are not free.
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Post by PeterMac 05.11.20 7:38

Interestingly the mindset IS evolving.  But backwards. 
In Spain the caliphate of Cordoba was the centre for learning, for art, music, dance, philosophy, mathematics and much more from about 929 - 1031.  The Great Mosque, which everyone should visit once, was built with the help of Christian labour, designed by a Jew, the Pope in Constantinople sent pillars from all over his sphere of influence, for that brief time it was simply another Abrahamic religion.

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Córdoba was the cultural centre of al-Andalus.[18] Mosques, such as the Great Mosque, were the focus of many caliphs' attention. The caliph's palace, Medina Azahara is on the outskirts of the city, where an estimated 10,000 laborers and artisans worked for decades on the palace, constructing the decorated buildings and courtyards filled with fountains and airy domes.[19] Córdoba was also the intellectual centre of al-Andalus, with translations of ancient Greek texts into Arabic, Latin and Hebrew. During the reign of al-Hakam II, the royal library possessed an estimated 500,000 volumes.[13][20] For comparison, the Abbey of Saint Gall in Switzerland contained just over 100 volumes.[13] The university in Córdoba became the most celebrated in the world. It was attended by Christian students from all Western Europe, as well as Muslim students. The university produced one hundred and fifty authors. Other universities and libraries were scattered through Spain during this golden age.[21] During the Caliphate period, relations between Jews and Arabs were cordial; Jewish stonemasons helped build the columns of the Great Mosque.
Advances in science, history, geography, philosophy, and language occurred during the Caliphate.[22] Al-Andalus was subject to eastern cultural influences as well. The musician Ziryab is credited with bringing hair and clothing styles, toothpaste, and deodorant from Baghdad to the Iberian peninsula.


Then there was a civil war - obviously - over who should succeed
Then we find an interesting point.  They were not Arabs.
According to historians, the emirs and caliphs comprising the Umayyad dynasty in Al-Andalus were the sons of concubine slaves (almost all of native Visigothic, Roman, or Basque origin). The founder of the dynasty, Abd ar-Rahman I, was the son of a Berber woman; his son (and successor as emir) had a Spanish mother. As such, the genome of Hisham II, tenth ruler of the Umayyad dynasty, "would have mostly originated from the Iberian Peninsula and would not be more than 0.1% of Arab descent, although the Y chromosome would still be of fully Arab origin"
From that point there was a series of invasions by increasingly 'fundamentalist' Mislums, 
The Almohads, who had taken control of the Almoravids' Maghribi and al-Andalus territories by 1147, surpassed the Almoravides in fundamentalist Islamic outlook

And the shut down of thinking began.
Islam has never had an 'enlightenment', and there has been effectively no philosophical or scientific advance for 1000 years.
"Education" means learning the Qur'an by rote, as it is held that all knowledge is contained there.   Everything else is 'haram'.  Boko Haram means exactly that.
"Boko Haram" is usually translated as "Western education is forbidden"

Boko Haram has also been translated as "Western influence is a sin" and "Westernisation is sacrilege"


And so they find themselves in a modern world without the education, without the intellectual background, and having suffered the genetic consequences of 1400 years - and more - of interbreeding.
They are bewildered and lost and can make no sense of it.
And respond with murderous and genocidal violence.
(As does another highly visible group, for some of the same reasons.)
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Post by Silentscope 05.11.20 11:32

It was good to read yesterday that three people have been praised for helping a wounded Police officer in the Vienna attack.

Two men of Turkish descent.

One Palestinian.

Recep Gultekin was shot in the leg while aiding the Policeman with his friend, Mikail Özen. 

They also carried him to safety after a Palestinian man, Osama Joda, gave him first aid.

"We knew immediately what to do, there was no choice but to help," said the 25-year-old Mr Özen. "Austria is our home. We would help at any time."

According to German media, the Terrorist, a 20-year-old, was shot dead by police nine minutes after the attack began, travelled to neighbouring Slovakia to buy ammunition for a Kalashnikov AK-47 assault rifle but returned empty-handed. Slovak Police warned the Austrians but it appears this was not acted upon.
The Terrorist had previously renounced extremist ideology whilst in Prison for attempting to join ISIS forces in Syria, in order to secure early release. 

One Killer
Four Dead
Twenty three Injured

Three Heroes

T’shukür / Shukran / Thank you all!
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Post by Silentscope 07.11.20 9:17

Update Vienna:

Austrian authorities have shut down a mosque and an Islamic association frequented by the man who killed four people in a terror attack in Vienna earlier this week. 
Integration Minister Susanne Raab and Interior Minister Karl Nehammer announced the closure of the Tewhid Mosque in Vienna and the Melit Ibrahim Association on Friday following a meeting with the president of Austria’s Islamic Faith Community, Ümit Vural, local media reported.

The decision came after a 20-year-old supporter of the so-called Islamic State terrorist group went on a deadly rampage in the Austrian capital on Monday night, killing four. The attacker was shot dead by police.

The gunman had frequented the mosque and the association, Raab said, saying the closure decision was made in the name of national security as the two institutions had been found not to hold a “positive attitude toward society and the state” as mandated in Austria’s so-called Islam Law. 

But she stressed that the move should not be seen as an attack on Islam or Muslims. “The goal of terrorism is to drive a wedge into our society — between Muslims and non-Muslims,” she said. 

At the same press conference, the interior minister acknowledged intelligence failures prior to the attack, saying “intolerable mistakes were made.”
Austria had already admitted to failing in its “communication” with Slovakian intelligence, which had informed the Austrians that the gunman had tried to buy ammunition there. On Friday, Nehammer said that this summer, the man had been in contact with people already under surveillance by the Vienna regional office of the country’s main domestic intelligence agency, the Protection of the Constitution and Counter-Terrorism (LVT). 
The head of the Vienna LVT has now been suspended while the investigation is underway, police chief Gerhard Pürstl said at the press conference.

Source: Politico

https://www.politico.eu/article/vienna-mosque-shut-after-terror-attack/
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Post by PeterMac 08.11.20 7:40

They really don't get it, do they
“The goal of terrorism is to drive a wedge into our society — between Muslims and non-Muslims,” she said. 

No, Ma'am.
The goal of Muslims is to forcibly convert the entire world to their belief system, and to that end to eliminate anyone who remains in-fidel (un-believer) heretical, or apostate.
It is Written :

These a just a few of the verses from the manual of guidance of the Religion of Peace . . .

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
Make war on the infidels living in your neighbourhood (9:123)
When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies  (22:19)
Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)

These are NOT "terrorists".
They are devout muslims, obeying the word of their God as revealed to their only prophet
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Post by BlueBag 08.11.20 8:12

I think there is no question that Islam is a cult bent on world domination.

There is also no question they are useful idiots as well.

The people who orchestrated mass immigration knew full well what they were doing.
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Post by Silentscope 08.11.20 12:45

Think of it this way...

If the following list of individuals were real and not imaginary, would we allow them foothold on the earth?

Vampires, Werewolves, Zombies, Daleks , the Borg, and many others?

Would they be invited in so they may become one with us?

Would we expect that they will change and adapt to our values?

I doubt it.
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Post by Silentscope 10.11.20 16:58

Fifty people beheaded and the bodies defiled by Islamists.

Source : DW Deutsche Welle.
https://www.dw.com/en/mozambique-police-islamists-behead-50-people-in-troubled-province/a-55549538
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Post by PeterMac 20.04.21 6:07

"Buddhist monk chops off his own head with a guillotine to please Buddha and reincarnate as a 'higher spiritual being'

  • Thammakorn Wangpreecha, 68, cut his own head off in a planned ritual sacrifice
  • The monk hoped the sacrifice would reincarnate him as 'higher spiritual being'".    MAIL

Oh well, at least as a Buddhist he chopped his OWN head off.  Unlike another cult we could mention
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As if the ‘Batflu’ was not enough, the next intimidating export is out there already.
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Post by Silentscope 25.06.21 18:26

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At least three people have been killed and six others injured, German newspaper Bild reports. 
German police said a suspect has been arrested. 
The force reassured the public there is no wider threat to safety.

The incident took place at around 5pm in the downtown region of Barbarossaplatz. 
There are unconfirmed reports the suspect was shot in the leg before being detained. 

Lower Franconia police tweeted: “We have arrested a suspect.
"There are no indications of a second suspect. 
“There is NO danger to the population."

Wurzburg has a population of around 130,000 and is located south east of Frankfurt.
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Post by PeterMac 26.06.21 8:21

What we know about the suspected attacker


  • The suspected perpetrator is a 24-year old Somalian man who lives in Würzburg, police said on Twitter
  • He has lived in Würzburg since 2015
  • The suspect was receiving psychiatric care, Herrmann said
  • In the past months, the suspect had drawn attention for "violent actions or readiness," Herrmann said


A motive for the attack

Investigators are looking into the motivation for the attack. According to a police spokesperson, the suspect is not known to the police for crimes that "lean in the direction of Islamic extremism."
"Naturally, we need to compile all the evidence that we can," the spokesperson added.
Herrmann said that he is not excluding any possibility: "In any case, there is circumstantial evidence that this could have been an Islamist attack."
Herrmann cited a witness who alleged that the attacker had shouted the common Islamic phrase "Allahu Akbar," which means "God is great."
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Post by PeterMac 26.06.21 8:22

He is in fact a devout Muslim obeying to the letter what the Bo'ok tells him to do, in verse after verse.
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Post by Verdi 26.06.21 13:23

Arabic is arguably the most, or one of the most, difficult languages to broach - classic Arabic and the many dialects accrued over centuries.

The Coran, like other contemporary holy books, didn't start life as a written document in ancient or modern script. The content of the Coran as seen today is a collation of individually interpreted writings and the spoken word, individually interpreted spoken word. Just like a chinese whisper or urban myth, it gathers wanted and unwanted debris as it travels the years.

The Bible is littered with examples of the impossible. miracles that fly in the face of science and logic - even common sense. Likewise the Bible is awash with debris saturated text that's open to interpretation/misinterpreatation.

Linguistic scholars have studied the meaning of holy texts for centuries and still they can't agree on a united interpretation.

It's impossible to accurately translate and/or interpret one language to another. It's wrong to fill the gaps in knowledge just to suit the desired effect.

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Post by Mainline 26.06.21 13:46

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000xjm8/our-world-nigerias-kidnapped-children
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Post by PeterMac 27.06.21 10:12

@Verdi wrote:Arabic is arguably the most, or one of the most, difficult languages to broach - classic Arabic and the many dialects accrued over centuries.
The Coran, like other contemporary holy books, didn't start life as a written document in ancient or modern script.  The content of the Coran as seen today is a collation of individually interpreted writings and the spoken word, individually interpreted spoken word.  Just like a chinese whisper or urban myth, it gathers wanted and unwanted debris as it travels the years.
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It's impossible to accurately translate and/or interpret one language to another.  It's wrong to fill the gaps in knowledge just to suit the desired effect.
Of course that is true, so we should look to authorised versions in English, prepared by the best Islamic scholars, 
and realise they may have sought to 'tone down' what the original meant.

2:191. Slay them [unbelievers] wherever ye find them

9:5.   Slay the idolators wherever ye find them

9:29. Fight against those who have been been given the Scripture [Jews and Christians] as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, 
and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His Messenger . . .

9:123.  Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you . . .

47:4.  Now when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks . . .

That is verbatim from "The Meaning of the Glorious Qur'ân". An explanatory translation."
Published by Albirr Foundation (UK) London E10 6UL
"Before publication this work has been scrutinised word by word and thoroughly revised in Egypt with the help of one whose mother tongue is Arabic, 
who has studied the Qur'ân and who knows English"

It all seems fairly straightforward to me.   
These people are not terrorists. They are devout Muslims obeying the instructions in the book.

The antics across the world the night the Twin Towers were destroyed give the lie to any who claim that Islam is capable of having a "moderate' branch.
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Post by PeterMac 29.06.21 21:04

There is a powerful message in this short You Tube clip. 
Also excellent oratory with the repetition of the message
"The peaceful majority were irrelevant"
Islam, German in the 30s, China, Russia in 1914 . . .
The peaceful majority are irrelevant.

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Post by BlueBag 01.07.21 8:36

A good piece from the Telegraph of all places.

This is totally unacceptable in Britain... I wasn't aware of the French teacher that was beheaded.


The British teacher is in hiding fearing for his life.

Labour and Tories don't give a toss.
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Post by sequested 11.09.21 11:22

Similar to JimBob’s list of COVID questions but relative to 9/11 :

https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/09/14-ways-official-reports-agreed-with-conspiracy-theorists-on-9-11/
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