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Post by Rufus T on 23.12.14 9:39

When I heard this yesterday it just seemed surreal, I mean a bin lorry, but sadly very real.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-30583678
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Post by tiny on 23.12.14 9:47

such an dreadfull thing to happen,my thoughts are with all those who have been affected by this 
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Post by aquila on 23.12.14 10:03

So, so sad.

My thoughts are with everyone affected by this tragedy.
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Post by PeterMac on 23.12.14 10:12

1,713 people were killed on the roads of the UK in 2013, 398 were pedestrians.
Somehow we only hear about them when more than three or four die in the same incident.
What does this say about how we think of individual casualties ?
And why is it worse to be killed on 23rd December, than, on, say, 28th ?

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Post by Rufus T on 23.12.14 10:51

Indeed PeterMac, sadly man killed in traffic accident does not have the press rubbing their collective hands together in the same way as bin lorry mows down multiple pedestrians.
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Post by PeterMac on 23.12.14 11:19

I know that what I say is capable of misinterpretation,
but how many have to be killed at at the same time before flags are flown at half mast
We do not yet know the identities of any of the people involved.
Does that make a difference ?

And we again have politicians talking about Glasgow being shocked, Glasgow being in mourning, Glasgow this and that, Glasgow standing together. . .

There has been a bad traffic accident and a number of people have been killed, and others injured. Some of the injured have already been released from hospital
It was dealt with by the emergency services, and in due course the Procurator Fiscal will hold an enquiry.


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Post by PeterMac on 23.12.14 14:18

So far we have also had
"Glasgow is a Broken-hearted City" !
and
"Glasgow will recover."
Population of Glasgow  - 2.3 million.
Number of dead - 6
Number of seriously injured - 2

Why do politicians think they have to 'out-sympathise' their opponents
We have had the word "unimaginable" used, again by a politician, as Milliband did last year when the small helicopter crashed.
It is not unimaginable. Fire and rescue, Ambulance, and police train for exactly these scenarios all the time.
The Management of Disaster and Civil Emergency course at Bramshilll last two weeks, and several days are spent in a specially designed Incident room, which you command, where new facts are fed in to you the whole time, and of course they alter the facts depending on the previous decision you made !
One of the incidents is an oil terminal fire, (á la Flixborough)  where they alter the wind direction to bu**** up what you have just put in place.

The Boxing Day tsunami is another matter, and the word might properly be applied to that situation

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One to ponder

Post by PeterMac on 25.12.14 7:46

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2886076/Man-woman-killed-hit-run-outside-Asda.html
Mother-of-five and her boyfriend killed after hit-and-run crash outside Asda store - a day before their first family Christmas in years
Paula Jolly, 37, was pronounced dead at the scene in Hulme, Manchester
Her boyfriend Michael Ward, 45, from Salford, died this morning in hospital
He had ten children, including son Mike Ward, a finalist on BBC's The Voice
Ms Jolly was due to spend Christmas with her family for first time in years
Two men and two women arrested on suspicion of death by dangerous driving


Will there be a memorial service today attended by all the emergency service personnel who helped ?
Will the flags of Manchester fly at half mast ?
Will the Bishop give a heartfelt sermon . . ?
And if not, why not ?
There are TEN children bereaved

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Post by BlueBag on 25.12.14 9:50

@PeterMac wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2886076/Man-woman-killed-hit-run-outside-Asda.html
Mother-of-five and her boyfriend killed after hit-and-run crash outside Asda store - a day before their first family Christmas in years
Paula Jolly, 37, was pronounced dead at the scene in Hulme, Manchester
Her boyfriend Michael Ward, 45, from Salford, died this morning in hospital
He had ten children, including son Mike Ward, a finalist on BBC's The Voice
Ms Jolly was due to spend Christmas with her family for first time in years
Two men and two women arrested on suspicion of death by dangerous driving


Will there be a memorial service today attended by all the emergency service personnel who helped ?
Will the flags of Manchester fly at half mast ?
Will the Bishop give a heartfelt sermon . .  ?
And if not, why not ?
There are TEN children bereaved
That is a good point.

I always wonder why we do it for a multiple incident when there are scores of individual incidents at the same time.

Interesting stats:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reported_Road_Casualties_Great_Britain

5 deaths a day, every day.
80 serious injuries a day, every day. 

Each individual tragedy is as tragic as the mass tragedy, but we seem to care less.

Strange.
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Post by PeterMac on 25.12.14 11:01

Amended to 15 children bereaved.  the mother had 10, the father 5.
And the Archbishop of C. has taken the day off sick.


Apparently Arch-Bish has just returned from Sierra Leone, and has been tested for Ebola ! !


God moves in a mysterious way . . .

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Post by littlepixie on 25.12.14 19:45

The coverage of this by SKY news on the day it happened was dreadful. They interviewed a bystander who happened to mention seeing a baby in a buggy. She said it was too horrific to talk about. Straight away the reporter pushed and pushed her to describe the scene but she refused. 
Sick reporting.
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Post by PeterMac on 25.12.14 22:14

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2887096/Paramedic-dies-knocked-ambulance-station-car-park.html
Paramedic Alison Smith was struck by a vehicle at a station in Kilmarnock
51-year-old sustained serious injuries and given first aid by colleagues
She was taken to Crosshouse Hospital, where she died from her injuries
Ms Smith, from Irvine, had worked for the ambulance service for 23 years
Colleagues have described the paramedic as a 'dedicated professional'  


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2887056/Young-father-working-road-died-Christmas-Eve-car-crash.html
Young father who was working on the side of the road died on Christmas Eve after car crash
Fraser Gibbon, 20, died just yards from his home in Aberdeenshire
The father-of-one was killed while he was working on the side of the road
His green mini-loader was struck by a red Vauxhall Insignia at 9.20am
Police Scotland is calling for witnesses to call them on 101  


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2887035/Couple-killed-hit-run-outside-Asda-parents-15-children-including-Voice-finalist-Mike-Ward.html
Couple killed in hit and run outside Asda were parents of 15 children including The Voice finalist Mike Ward
Michael Ward, 45, and Paula Jolly, 37, died crossing road in Manchester
Ms Jolly was pronounced dead at the scene in Hulme
Her boyfriend Mr Ward, from Salford, died in hospital yesterday
He had ten children, including son Mike Ward, a finalist on BBC's The Voice
Ms Jolly was due to spend Christmas with her family for first time in years
Two men and two women arrested on suspicion of death by dangerous driving


No Bishops.  No PM.  No flags at half mast.  No books of condolence. No public donations in buckets.  No minutes silence at football matches.
No Flowers on pavements. No Teddy bears garrotted with piano wire on lampposts.  No candlelit vigils . . .    

WHY NOT ?

How many people have to die at the same time to make it worthy of all the above ?

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Post by Guest on 29.12.14 10:32

What shocked me was that there were two other employees in the truck with the driver, why did they not pull the brake lever?
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Post by wjk on 29.12.14 20:33

Blue Butterfly wrote:What shocked me was that there were two other employees in the truck with the driver, why did they not pull the brake lever?
IMO
Really? I've not heard that.
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Post by PeterMac on 02.01.15 21:08

For those who want
Nat Geo programme
Monday 5th Jan 9pm
there is a programme New Air Crash Investigators about the Kegworth crash, where the plane landed in the cutting on the M1 in 1989

On my patch.

No crying Bishops  even though 47 died, and many others had life changing injuries.
No politicians in floods of tears talking about scenes of unimaginable horror
So far as I recall no endless minutes silence at football matches
No teddy bears on lamposts. No flowers.
Probably a book of Remembrance sometime later, and a service or two
But mostly just trained people going about the business for which they had been trained, on an incident which was imaginable and had been foreseen  . . . .
It may look chaotic, but I don't think it was.  (Part of the problem is trying to persuade Traffic officers to turn their blue lamps OFF.  
The idea is that only the Command vehicle of each of the three services displays it, but you can't stop them.)

I came on duty on the next shift - called in early - and the entire operation was already highly organised with a series of concentric circles of traffic diversions in place
across the threee Counties - which took some doing - so as to ensure that East Mids airport and the North/South traffic normally on the M1 could continue.
There are of course full contingency and disaster plans for very many of these "unimaginable" incidents.

Up to and including Nuclear War !!

Worth a watch.

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