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What time did Gerry actually return to the Tapas after his check????????

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Re: What time did Gerry actually return to the Tapas after his check????????

Post by Woofer on Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:03 am

Anyone know where the `tv room` is?

Where `Jerry` is supposed to have been between 9.10 - 9.15?

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Re: What time did Gerry actually return to the Tapas after his check????????

Post by Joss on Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:10 am

@Woofer wrote:Anyone know where the `tv room` is?

Where `Jerry` is supposed to have been between 9.10 - 9.15?
At the Tapas Bar???
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Re: What time did Gerry actually return to the Tapas after his check????????

Post by woodforthetrees on Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:12 am

@jeanmonroe wrote:

"They last checked at half past nine; they were all sound asleep, sleeping; windows shut; shutters shut."

9:30pm (half past nine)

10 (TEN) minutes AFTER JT saw' Madeleine, being CARRIED OFF' (9:20pm)

Ergo, NO 'smashed, broken, forced, jemmied, raised' shutter AND 'wide open window' at 9:20pm

Because, WHEN they last 'checked' AT 9:30pm (half past nine) (Gerry's sister TC) they (THREE McCann 'kids') were ALL sound 'asleep' 'SLEEPING'.......windows SHUT, shutter SHUT!

I repeat, TEN 'minutes' AFTER the supposed 'abduction' as 'witnessed' by McCann FRIEND, J Tanner!


Exactly. The bit highlighted above just goes to show how the checking rota should be taken with a pinch of salt as it wasn't happening. The hurried timeline cobbled together was to try and cover their ar53s.

It would've been a done deal, put down to 'peoples watches being out of sync'  and forgotten, had the cadaver scent not been picked up and thrown a whopping minimum 3hr event into the sketch!! Rendering the entire rota a load of tosh, putting the McCanns and the tapas into the spotlight for covering things up and ultimately having the media and the internet forums turn against them.

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Re: What time did Gerry actually return to the Tapas after his check????????

Post by jeanmonroe on Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:29 am

My 'last' on this.......TODAY! winkwink

STOP CHEERING!

(DP) "we were happy to leave the apartment, it was you know it was sort of gone quarter to nine. Err we walked down, the three of us, err you know to the Tapas area err we bumped into Matt, he was walking err back to the apartment and err you know he was, he was, you know semi-jokingly said oh I've come to check because you've taken so long and you know which actually transpired that they were quite err getting agitated because you know the time the table was booked at half past eight and you know it was approaching nine o' clock and you know they thought it was, it wasn't appropriate that we weren't there you know as early as we should have been. So then Matt carried err back, you know, to the apartment and we went to the table."

1485 "Who was there when you got, when you got to the table''
Reply "Err well, as I say, Gerry was sat next to me, err on my left, and then there was this choice of where Dianne was gonna sit with err, err Matt and err Russell, so those people had to be there, Kate was obviously there, Fiona had walked down with, as well, and err and as for Rachael and Jane I, I cannot say a hundred percent that they were there.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

So, HOW Matt managed to be at BOTH 'the table' AND 'having carried (?) err back TO his apartment' having 'passed' the Paynes on their way TO the tapas, when the Paynes reached the 'table' is anyone's guess!
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DP: ", and err and as for Rachael and Jane I, I cannot say a hundred percent that they were there.'
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Which is all very, VERY, 'odd' as R O'B has told us (twice) on his TWO handwritten 'timelines' that at 8:45pm: ALL 'assembled' at poolside!
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DP "and you know it was approaching nine o' clock"

Kinda, being polite, 'contradicts' R O'B's 'claim' of 8:45pm, dosen't it?

Petards, Hoisted, anyone?

So, if we go 'on' various 'testimony's' of these people we get:
Possibly 4 out of 9 (3 Paynes and R O'B) not 'assembled' at 8:45pm
Possibly 2-3 out of 9 (Tanner, R Oldfield and Matt) not 'assembled' when Paynes get to 'table'

A very, VERY, BADLY 'written' 'STORY', imo.

And one which DCI Mahogany, SHOULD have 'read', SHOULD be 'reading'!

All in mo, etc, etc.,

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Post by ScarletLaw on Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:06 am

@jeanmonroe wrote:My 'last' on this.......TODAY! winkwink

STOP CHEERING!

(DP) "we were happy to leave the apartment, it was you know it was sort of gone quarter to nine. Err we walked down, the three of us, err you know to the Tapas area err we bumped into Matt, he was walking err back to the apartment and err you know he was, he was, you know semi-jokingly said oh I've come to check because you've taken so long and you know which actually transpired that they were quite err getting agitated because you know the time the table was booked at half past eight and you know it was approaching nine o' clock and you know they thought it was, it wasn't appropriate that we weren't there you know as early as we should have been. So then Matt carried err back, you know, to the apartment and we went to the table."

1485 "Who was there when you got, when you got to the table''
Reply "Err well, as I say, Gerry was sat next to me, err on my left, and then there was this choice of where Dianne was gonna sit with err, err Matt and err Russell, so those people had to be there, Kate was obviously there, Fiona had walked down with, as well, and err and as for Rachael and Jane I, I cannot say a hundred percent that they were there.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

So, HOW Matt managed to be at BOTH 'the table' AND 'having carried (?) err back TO his apartment' having 'passed' the Paynes on their way TO the tapas, when the Paynes reached the 'table' is anyone's guess!
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DP: ", and err and as for Rachael and Jane I, I cannot say a hundred percent that they were there.'
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Which is all very, VERY, 'odd' as R O'B has told us (twice) on his TWO handwritten 'timelines' that at 8:45pm: ALL 'assembled' at poolside!
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DP "and you know it was approaching nine o' clock"

Kinda, being polite, 'contradicts' R O'B's 'claim' of 8:45pm, dosen't it?

Petards, Hoisted, anyone?

So, if we go 'on' various 'testimony's' of these people we get:
Possibly 4 out of 9 (3 Paynes and R O'B) not 'assembled' at 8:45pm
Possibly 2-3 out of 9 (Tanner, R Oldfield and Matt) not 'assembled' when Paynes get to 'table'

A very, VERY, BADLY 'written' 'STORY', imo.

And one which DCI Mahogany, SHOULD have 'read', SHOULD be 'reading'!

All in mo, etc, etc.,

There's a lot of over emphasising in the statement,"kate was "obviously" there-" in particular, this is more persuasion rather than straight forward reporting.  I'm not saying she wasn't there, but they wanted us to really "know" that she was there. Interesting? Which shows a steering of the story rather than a straight forward account. If I had a quid for the amount of "people taking so long" I've come across too in all the statements I've see so far, I'd have enough cash for a good night. For a bunch of people who didn't have watches on, they're sure obsessed with the length of time of everything that was going on that night.

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Re: What time did Gerry actually return to the Tapas after his check????????

Post by jeanmonroe on Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:01 am

Not forgetting J Tanner's 'classic' rog answers:

4078 “And was that the same as S*** and A**** as well”?

Reply “I saw them more because they were in the same bit as **** and I tended to drop **** off so yeah but, but, yeah not, not a lot”.

And

4078 “Your mind’s trying to make sense of what you even know.”

Reply “Yeah, no, yeah, so I don’t know.”

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Post by ScarletLaw on Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:05 am

@jeanmonroe wrote:Not forgetting J Tanner's 'classic' rog answers:

4078 “And was that the same as S*** and A**** as well”?

Reply “I saw them more because they were in the same bit as **** and I tended to drop **** off so yeah but, but, yeah not, not a lot”.

And

4078 “Your mind’s trying to make sense of what you even know.”

Reply “Yeah, no, yeah, so I don’t know.”

She's not a good liar, that's for sure.

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What Time Did Gerry Actually Return to the Tapas After His Check?

Post by The Wood beyond the Trees on Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:56 am

@ScarletLaw wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@Joss wrote:http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap6
Timeline 1 (as per sticker book above)
 
8:45. pm
Matt returns 9.00-9.05 - listened at all 3
                               - all shutters down
Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
                      ? did he check
9.20/5 - Ella Jane checked 5D sees stranger & child
9.30 - Russ. Ella Matt check all 3
9.35 - Matt check see twins
9.50 - Russ returns
9.55 - Kate realised Madeleine 
10pm - Alarm raised
 
Timeline 2 (as per sticker book above)

8.45pm. all assembled at poolside for food
9.00pm. Matt Oldfield listens at all 3 windows 5A, B, D ALL shutters down
9:15pm Gerry McCann looks at room A ? Door open to bedroom
9:20pm Jane Tanner checks 5D - [sees stranger walking carrying a child]
9.30 Russell O'Brien in 5D. Poorly daughter
9.55pm
10:00pm. Alarm raised after Kate

Gerald
Someone else has been doing a closer look at these time lines. If you find the original and blow it up there are some strange anomalies

*  listened at all 3    - Apartments or windows ?
 all shutters down   -   in all three Apartments or windows ?
Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
now look at the blown up image
" />


Is that not a badly written "Jeremy" ?   And it certainly says TV room, not the room
(Bear in mind that by the time the same person wrote version 2 he spelled Gerry with a G)

why is Ella written in and then crossed through TWICE ?

Matt check door,  which is then crossed though,  sec twins.  Sec can be medical shorthand for separated.
If so, from each other, or from Madeleine ?
and then the writer starts
1   but puts nothing next to it.  Was he going to explain where 1 was put and then where the other was ?

then we see
" />

Is that really "realised" or is it 're-anim' ? And what is the 's' to the right ?   sans success ? ? ? ?  
Or is it a question mark.  Medical jargon note from GP to specialist will use ? cirrhosis ? to indicate the way the thinking is going and the tests they think might be appropriate
And why the circle round 9.55.
Was this an agreed starting point, from which everything else had to be made to fit.
The time everyone had to agree on, even if the Tapas waiters came up with something else.
Still lots to obsess over !

 Thanks, this is great. I'm already thinking that the time for Kate's check was deliberately fixed for some reason. I have some of the waiters statements that I can cross check things with. As for Ella I'm pretty sure that her parents are involved some how and so whatever involves them is important.
To me it looks like (9.55) 'Note' or even possibly, at a stretch,  'Kate' , reassessed Madeleine - ie reass'd

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Re: What time did Gerry actually return to the Tapas after his check????????

Post by ScarletLaw on Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:45 am

@The Wood beyond the Trees wrote:
@ScarletLaw wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@Joss wrote:http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap6
Timeline 1 (as per sticker book above)
 
8:45. pm
Matt returns 9.00-9.05 - listened at all 3
                               - all shutters down
Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
                      ? did he check
9.20/5 - Ella Jane checked 5D sees stranger & child
9.30 - Russ. Ella Matt check all 3
9.35 - Matt check see twins
9.50 - Russ returns
9.55 - Kate realised Madeleine 
10pm - Alarm raised
 
Timeline 2 (as per sticker book above)

8.45pm. all assembled at poolside for food
9.00pm. Matt Oldfield listens at all 3 windows 5A, B, D ALL shutters down
9:15pm Gerry McCann looks at room A ? Door open to bedroom
9:20pm Jane Tanner checks 5D - [sees stranger walking carrying a child]
9.30 Russell O'Brien in 5D. Poorly daughter
9.55pm
10:00pm. Alarm raised after Kate

Gerald
Someone else has been doing a closer look at these time lines. If you find the original and blow it up there are some strange anomalies

*  listened at all 3    - Apartments or windows ?
 all shutters down   -   in all three Apartments or windows ?
Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
now look at the blown up image
" />


Is that not a badly written "Jeremy" ?   And it certainly says TV room, not the room
(Bear in mind that by the time the same person wrote version 2 he spelled Gerry with a G)

why is Ella written in and then crossed through TWICE ?

Matt check door,  which is then crossed though,  sec twins.  Sec can be medical shorthand for separated.
If so, from each other, or from Madeleine ?
and then the writer starts
1   but puts nothing next to it.  Was he going to explain where 1 was put and then where the other was ?

then we see
" />

Is that really "realised" or is it 're-anim' ? And what is the 's' to the right ?   sans success ? ? ? ?  
Or is it a question mark.  Medical jargon note from GP to specialist will use ? cirrhosis ? to indicate the way the thinking is going and the tests they think might be appropriate
And why the circle round 9.55.
Was this an agreed starting point, from which everything else had to be made to fit.
The time everyone had to agree on, even if the Tapas waiters came up with something else.
Still lots to obsess over !

 Thanks, this is great. I'm already thinking that the time for Kate's check was deliberately fixed for some reason. I have some of the waiters statements that I can cross check things with. As for Ella I'm pretty sure that her parents are involved some how and so whatever involves them is important.
To me it looks like (9.55) 'Note' or even possibly, at a stretch,  'Kate' , reassessed Madeleine - ie reass'd

Interesting, thanks.

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Re: What time did Gerry actually return to the Tapas after his check????????

Post by jeanmonroe on Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:38 am

ScarletLaw?

Wanna 'pm' me?

re: 'timelines'

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Post by ScarletLaw on Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:43 am

@jeanmonroe wrote:ScarletLaw?

Wanna 'pm' me?

re: 'timelines'
It says I can't PM?

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