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What time did Gerry actually return to the Tapas after his check????????

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Post by ScarletLaw on 18.12.14 15:49

I've been going through the interviews and I'm having trouble with the definitive time that Gerry returned to the table at the Tapas. If anyone has found anything from waiters or other people in statements or anything else that relates to this time, can you pass it on. - thanks x

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Post by Joss on 18.12.14 17:00

I guess it all depends on which TM lie we choose to believe.
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Post by ScarletLaw on 18.12.14 17:02

@Joss wrote:I guess it all depends on which TM lie we choose to believe.

 I know Joss, that's why I'm hoping for someone independent of the group's time.

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Post by BlueBag on 18.12.14 18:09

Good question.

Did Kate ask if he was in the flat all this time and time the next "check" accordingly?
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Post by Joss on 19.12.14 3:20

@ScarletLaw wrote:
@Joss wrote:I guess it all depends on which TM lie we choose to believe.

 I know Joss, that's why I'm hoping for someone independent of the group's time.
SL, here are some timelines from the police files for your perusal, hope it helps with what you want to find,

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm
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Post by Grande Finale on 19.12.14 3:21

@ScarletLaw wrote:I've been going through the interviews and I'm having trouble with the definitive time that Gerry returned to the table at the Tapas. If anyone has found anything from waiters or other people in statements or anything else that relates to this time, can you pass it on. - thanks x

Hi GM was talking to  Jeremia Wilkinss who's wife O'Donna said he returned back to the apartment just after 9.30pm

I would have thought it would take  GM approx same time to get back to Tapas so around 9.30  ish ?

Makes a nonsence of a 9.30pm check doesn't it ?  liar
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Post by Joss on 19.12.14 3:32

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap6
Timeline 1 (as per sticker book above)
 
8:45. pm
 
Matt returns 9.00-9.05 - listened at all 3
                               - all shutters down
 
Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
                      ? did he check
 
9.20/5 - Ella Jane checked 5D sees stranger & child
 
9.30 - Russ. Ella Matt check all 3
 
9.35 - Matt check see twins
 
9.50 - Russ returns
 
9.55 - Kate realised Madeleine
 
10pm - Alarm raised
 
Timeline 2 (as per sticker book above)
 
8.45pm. all assembled at poolside for food
 
9.00pm. Matt Oldfield listens at all 3 windows 5A, B, D ALL shutters down
 
9:15pm Gerry McCann looks at room A ? Door open to bedroom
 
9:20pm Jane Tanner checks 5D - [sees stranger walking carrying a child]
 
9.30 Russell O'Brien in 5D. Poorly daughter

9.55pm

 

10:00pm. Alarm raised after Kate

 

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Post by PeterMac on 19.12.14 9:13

@Joss wrote:http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap6
Timeline 1 (as per sticker book above)
 
8:45. pm
Matt returns 9.00-9.05 - listened at all 3
                               - all shutters down
Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
                      ? did he check
9.20/5 - Ella Jane checked 5D sees stranger & child
9.30 - Russ. Ella Matt check all 3
9.35 - Matt check see twins
9.50 - Russ returns
9.55 - Kate realised Madeleine 
10pm - Alarm raised
 
Timeline 2 (as per sticker book above)

8.45pm. all assembled at poolside for food
9.00pm. Matt Oldfield listens at all 3 windows 5A, B, D ALL shutters down
9:15pm Gerry McCann looks at room A ? Door open to bedroom
9:20pm Jane Tanner checks 5D - [sees stranger walking carrying a child]
9.30 Russell O'Brien in 5D. Poorly daughter
9.55pm
10:00pm. Alarm raised after Kate

Gerald
Someone else has been doing a closer look at these time lines. If you find the original and blow it up there are some strange anomalies

*  listened at all 3    - Apartments or windows ?
 all shutters down   -   in all three Apartments or windows ?
Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
now look at the blown up image
" />


Is that not a badly written "Jeremy" ?   And it certainly says TV room, not the room
(Bear in mind that by the time the same person wrote version 2 he spelled Gerry with a G)

why is Ella written in and then crossed through TWICE ?

Matt check door,  which is then crossed though,  sec twins.  Sec can be medical shorthand for separated.
If so, from each other, or from Madeleine ?
and then the writer starts
1   but puts nothing next to it.  Was he going to explain where 1 was put and then where the other was ?

then we see
" />

Is that really "realised" or is it 're-anim' ? And what is the 's' to the right ?   sans success ? ? ? ?
Or is it a question mark. Medical jargon note from GP to specialist will use ? cirrhosis ? to indicate the way the thinking is going and the tests they think might be appropriate
And why the circle round 9.55.
Was this an agreed starting point, from which everything else had to be made to fit.
The time everyone had to agree on, even if the Tapas waiters came up with something else.
Still lots to obsess over !

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Post by aquila on 19.12.14 9:20

Just to add further confusion, I distinctly remember when the news broke of Madeleine's disappearance it was reported that she was sleeping in between the twins. Now why would the media make that up?
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Post by canada12 on 19.12.14 10:05

That circled 9.55 time on Sheet 1 could just as easily be interpreted as saying:

Note M (or some other initial) and Madeleine

instead of Kate realises Madeleine

So what would be the point of writing "Note M and Madeleine"...

Who did the Smiths see...? And when...?


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Post by ScarletLaw on 19.12.14 10:19

@Joss wrote:
@ScarletLaw wrote:
@Joss wrote:I guess it all depends on which TM lie we choose to believe.

 I know Joss, that's why I'm hoping for someone independent of the group's time.
SL, here are some timelines from the police files for your perusal, hope it helps with what you want to find,

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm

Thanks Joss, I'll put them with the ones that i've been sent by some others.

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Post by ScarletLaw on 19.12.14 10:21

@BlueBag wrote:Good question.

Did Kate ask if he was in the flat all this time and time the next "check" accordingly?

I haven't got to Kate's yet but i'll make a note of it. Thanks

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Post by ScarletLaw on 19.12.14 10:24

@Joss wrote:http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap6
Timeline 1 (as per sticker book above)
 
8:45. pm
 
Matt returns 9.00-9.05 - listened at all 3
                               - all shutters down
 
Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
                      ? did he check
 
9.20/5 - Ella Jane checked 5D sees stranger & child
 
9.30 - Russ. Ella Matt check all 3
 
9.35 - Matt check see twins
 
9.50 - Russ returns
 
9.55 - Kate realised Madeleine
 
10pm - Alarm raised
 
Timeline 2 (as per sticker book above)
 
8.45pm. all assembled at poolside for food
 
9.00pm. Matt Oldfield listens at all 3 windows 5A, B, D ALL shutters down
 
9:15pm Gerry McCann looks at room A ? Door open to bedroom
 
9:20pm Jane Tanner checks 5D - [sees stranger walking carrying a child]
 
9.30 Russell O'Brien in 5D. Poorly daughter

9.55pm

 

10:00pm. Alarm raised after Kate

 

Gerald
Thanks - I'm pretty sure that Jane and Russell are involved-so that's really handy.

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Post by ScarletLaw on 19.12.14 10:33

@PeterMac wrote:
@Joss wrote:http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap6
Timeline 1 (as per sticker book above)
 
8:45. pm
Matt returns 9.00-9.05 - listened at all 3
                               - all shutters down
Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
                      ? did he check
9.20/5 - Ella Jane checked 5D sees stranger & child
9.30 - Russ. Ella Matt check all 3
9.35 - Matt check see twins
9.50 - Russ returns
9.55 - Kate realised Madeleine 
10pm - Alarm raised
 
Timeline 2 (as per sticker book above)

8.45pm. all assembled at poolside for food
9.00pm. Matt Oldfield listens at all 3 windows 5A, B, D ALL shutters down
9:15pm Gerry McCann looks at room A ? Door open to bedroom
9:20pm Jane Tanner checks 5D - [sees stranger walking carrying a child]
9.30 Russell O'Brien in 5D. Poorly daughter
9.55pm
10:00pm. Alarm raised after Kate

Gerald
Someone else has been doing a closer look at these time lines. If you find the original and blow it up there are some strange anomalies

*  listened at all 3    - Apartments or windows ?
 all shutters down   -   in all three Apartments or windows ?
Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
now look at the blown up image
" />


Is that not a badly written "Jeremy" ?   And it certainly says TV room, not the room
(Bear in mind that by the time the same person wrote version 2 he spelled Gerry with a G)

why is Ella written in and then crossed through TWICE ?

Matt check door,  which is then crossed though,  sec twins.  Sec can be medical shorthand for separated.
If so, from each other, or from Madeleine ?
and then the writer starts
1   but puts nothing next to it.  Was he going to explain where 1 was put and then where the other was ?

then we see
" />

Is that really "realised" or is it 're-anim' ? And what is the 's' to the right ?   sans success ? ? ? ?  
Or is it a question mark.  Medical jargon note from GP to specialist will use ? cirrhosis ? to indicate the way the thinking is going and the tests they think might be appropriate
And why the circle round 9.55.
Was this an agreed starting point, from which everything else had to be made to fit.
The time everyone had to agree on, even if the Tapas waiters came up with something else.
Still lots to obsess over !

 Thanks, this is great. I'm already thinking that the time for Kate's check was deliberately fixed for some reason. I have some of the waiters statements that I can cross check things with. As for Ella I'm pretty sure that her parents are involved some how and so whatever involves them is important.

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Post by aquila on 19.12.14 10:42

@ScarletLaw wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@Joss wrote:http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap6
Timeline 1 (as per sticker book above)
 
8:45. pm
Matt returns 9.00-9.05 - listened at all 3
                               - all shutters down
Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
                      ? did he check
9.20/5 - Ella Jane checked 5D sees stranger & child
9.30 - Russ. Ella Matt check all 3
9.35 - Matt check see twins
9.50 - Russ returns
9.55 - Kate realised Madeleine 
10pm - Alarm raised
 
Timeline 2 (as per sticker book above)

8.45pm. all assembled at poolside for food
9.00pm. Matt Oldfield listens at all 3 windows 5A, B, D ALL shutters down
9:15pm Gerry McCann looks at room A ? Door open to bedroom
9:20pm Jane Tanner checks 5D - [sees stranger walking carrying a child]
9.30 Russell O'Brien in 5D. Poorly daughter
9.55pm
10:00pm. Alarm raised after Kate

Gerald
Someone else has been doing a closer look at these time lines. If you find the original and blow it up there are some strange anomalies

*  listened at all 3    - Apartments or windows ?
 all shutters down   -   in all three Apartments or windows ?
Jerry 9.10-9.15 in the room + all well
now look at the blown up image
" />


Is that not a badly written "Jeremy" ?   And it certainly says TV room, not the room
(Bear in mind that by the time the same person wrote version 2 he spelled Gerry with a G)

why is Ella written in and then crossed through TWICE ?

Matt check door,  which is then crossed though,  sec twins.  Sec can be medical shorthand for separated.
If so, from each other, or from Madeleine ?
and then the writer starts
1   but puts nothing next to it.  Was he going to explain where 1 was put and then where the other was ?

then we see
" />

Is that really "realised" or is it 're-anim' ? And what is the 's' to the right ?   sans success ? ? ? ?  
Or is it a question mark.  Medical jargon note from GP to specialist will use ? cirrhosis ? to indicate the way the thinking is going and the tests they think might be appropriate
And why the circle round 9.55.
Was this an agreed starting point, from which everything else had to be made to fit.
The time everyone had to agree on, even if the Tapas waiters came up with something else.
Still lots to obsess over !

 Thanks, this is great. I'm already thinking that the time for Kate's check was deliberately fixed for some reason. I have some of the waiters statements that I can cross check things with. As for Ella I'm pretty sure that her parents are involved some how and so whatever involves them is important.
Whatever enthusiasm you have for the case, may I make a small request that you don't use the full name of Tapas 7 children involved. Even if you strike it through that's not really nice for an innocent child.

Apologies for being a bit of a pedant but these children are little people who have done nothing and using their names on the internet only fuels the 'hater' theory. There's a fine line to be drawn.
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Post by PeterMac on 19.12.14 10:51

@aquila wrote:
Whatever enthusiasm you have for the case, may I make a small request that you don't use the full name of Tapas 7 children involved. Even if you strike it through that's not really nice for an innocent child.
Apologies for being a bit of a pedant but these children are little people who have done nothing and using their names on the internet only fuels the 'hater' theory. There's a fine line to be drawn.

It is a fine line, but I believe we are following the lead given by the parents, in particular St Katherine, who uses all the full names, and intimate descriptions of . . . . .
without batting an eyelid.
The same one who complained about her privacy being invaded, but then sold the story of her sex life to the Sun for undisclosed amount for it to be put on the front page.
Complete with photo.
It is also difficult to discuss why a name would be entered and then crossed out, twice, without saying which name it is we are talking about.
Apart from that I agree, and I think contributors to this forum try to act decently

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Post by ScarletLaw on 19.12.14 11:16

@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:
Whatever enthusiasm you have for the case, may I make a small request that you don't use the full name of Tapas 7 children involved. Even if you strike it through that's not really nice for an innocent child.
Apologies for being a bit of a pedant but these children are little people who have done nothing and using their names on the internet only fuels the 'hater' theory. There's a fine line to be drawn.

It is a fine line, but I believe we are following the lead given by the parents, in particular St Katherine, who uses all the full names, and intimate descriptions of  . . . . .
without batting an eyelid.
The same one who complained about her privacy being invaded, but then sold the story of her sex life to the Sun for undisclosed amount for it to be put on the front page.
Complete with photo.
It is also difficult to discuss why a name would be entered and then crossed out, twice, without saying which name it is we are talking about.
Apart from that I agree, and I think contributors to this forum try to act decently

I'm a mother myself of two daughters and yes Aquila, children do deserve privacy. But in this case the parents should look at their own actions in having the children exposed to the media. I feel very sorry for the Tapas children because they're innocents in this entire event too. The parents should've told the truth from the beginning, as should have Kate and Gerry. If that had happened then the internet haters would have never happened.

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Post by Joss on 19.12.14 11:26

I also agree with not naming the children involved in this fiasco and prefer to say son/daughter/twins, whatever, but the info. posted was lifted from the Mccannfiles, and the timeline written by the McC's & tapas crew, on the torn out page from Maddie's sticker book, so its all in the public domain thanks to the parents involved. And they have all been inserted  into a missing child investigation thanks to their friends the McCann's, for either losing or disappearing Madeleine.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.12.14 11:43

"Someone else has been doing a closer look at these time lines. If you find the original and blow it up there are some strange anomalies"
---------------------------------------------

That'll be ME then! laughat

I have done a forensic 'analysis' of the 'timelines' INCLUDING the THIRD 'typed' timeline, COMPILED by ALL of the T9.

(just to prove GM did NOT 'cross the street' to chat with JW)

(2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) 'OUTSIDE THE PATIO GATE OF 5A'. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate ........)

Anyway. i know people are possibly 'sick' of my continued 'reference' to said 'timelines' so i'll keep this 'short!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6620000/newsid_6625200/6625205.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1

"............but at ten o'clock last night there was a huge shock for Kate. Madeleine's aunt who lives in Scotland, takes up the story."

Trish Cameron: "They last checked at half past nine; they were all sound asleep, sleeping; windows shut; shutters shut. Kate went back at ten o'clock to check; the front door was lying open; the window had been tampered with; the shutters had been jammied open... or whatever you call it, and Madeleine was missing"
================================================.

"They last checked at half past nine; they were all sound asleep, sleeping; windows shut; shutters shut."

9:30pm (half past nine)

10 (TEN) minutes AFTER JT saw' Madeleine, being CARRIED OFF' (9:20pm)

Ergo, NO 'smashed, broken, forced, jemmied, raised' shutter AND 'wide open window' at 9:20pm

Because, WHEN they last 'checked' AT 9:30pm (half past nine) (Gerry's sister TC) they (THREE McCann 'kids') were ALL sound 'asleep' 'SLEEPING'.......windows SHUT, shutter SHUT!

I repeat, TEN 'minutes' AFTER the supposed 'abduction' as 'witnessed' by McCann FRIEND, J Tanner!

The TWO handwritten 'timelines' (by R O'B) ARE both a 'crock of shite'!

8:45pm: (BOTH 'timelines) ALL 'assembled' at poolside

IF THAT WERE THE 'CASE',.........THEN, WHO THE F*UK WAS MO 'sent' to 'find', at 8:57pm? (RO) Not, youll 'note' 8:55pm or 9:00pm but EXACTLY 8:57pm, if you please! (and, AND, this is even more amazing, about RO's time 'keeping', she DOES NOT even have a WATCH ON!) (must be 8:57pm cos that 'star' is almost aligned to that other 'star', see!, see!)

Oh, i know, the THREE (3) PAYNES!

Oh. hang on, R O'B 'writes' THEY were ALL (including the Paynes) 'assembled' poolside AT 8:45pm!

Thus, so, the badly told 'story' 'begins'!

eta: We're not even 'sure' if the 'writer' (R O'B) of the 'handwritten' timelines was even HIMSELF 'assembled' at poolside AT 8:45pm!

J Tanner 'statement'..................10th May 2007.

"Around 21h00 her husband (actually, 'partner' not husband) arrived at the restaurant, Ev, meanwhile, having fallen asleep"

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm
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Post by PeterMac on 19.12.14 12:06

@Joss wrote:I also agree with not naming the children involved in this fiasco and prefer to say son/daughter/twins, whatever, but the info. posted was lifted from the Mccannfiles, and the timeline written by the McC's & tapas crew, on the torn out page from Maddie's sticker book, so its all in the public domain thanks to the parents involved. And they have all been inserted  into a missing child investigation thanks to their friends the McCann's, for either losing or disappearing Madeleine.

I have just tried doing a word count in the book with the names of all the different children.
Madeleine, obviously hundreds,
but all the others, including the Tapas children, I stopped counting at 50 for each one.
The children deserve - - - better parents !

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Post by Joss on 19.12.14 12:14

@PeterMac wrote:
@Joss wrote:I also agree with not naming the children involved in this fiasco and prefer to say son/daughter/twins, whatever, but the info. posted was lifted from the Mccannfiles, and the timeline written by the McC's & tapas crew, on the torn out page from Maddie's sticker book, so its all in the public domain thanks to the parents involved. And they have all been inserted  into a missing child investigation thanks to their friends the McCann's, for either losing or disappearing Madeleine.

I have just tried doing a word count in the book with the names of all the different children.
Madeleine, obviously hundreds,
but all the others, including the Tapas children, I stopped counting at 50 for each one.
The children deserve - - -  better parents !
ITA, It makes me wonder how all those children will perceive what their parents did back then, that culminated in a missing child that to date hasn't been found. Perhaps if they ever do read about this case as they get older, they will have some questions for their parents too? Perhaps even thinking it could easily have been one of them that went missing instead. How would they answer that i wonder?
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Post by ScarletLaw on 19.12.14 12:18

@jeanmonroe wrote:"Someone else has been doing a closer look at these time lines. If you find the original and blow it up there are some strange anomalies"
---------------------------------------------

That'll be ME then! laughat

I have done a forensic 'analysis' of the 'timelines' INCLUDING the THIRD 'typed' timeline, COMPILED by ALL of the T9.

(just to prove GM did NOT 'cross the street' to chat with JW)

(2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) 'OUTSIDE THE PATIO GATE OF 5A'. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate ........)

Anyway. i know people are possibly 'sick' of my continued 'reference' to said 'timelines' so i'll keep this 'short!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6620000/newsid_6625200/6625205.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1

"............but at ten o'clock last night there was a huge shock for Kate. Madeleine's aunt who lives in Scotland, takes up the story."

Trish Cameron: "They last checked at half past nine; they were all sound asleep, sleeping; windows shut; shutters shut. Kate went back at ten o'clock to check; the front door was lying open; the window had been tampered with; the shutters had been jammied open... or whatever you call it, and Madeleine was missing"
================================================.

"They last checked at half past nine; they were all sound asleep, sleeping; windows shut; shutters shut."

9:30pm (half past nine)

10 (TEN) minutes AFTER JT saw' Madeleine, being CARRIED OFF' (9:20pm)

Ergo, NO 'smashed, broken, forced, jemmied, raised' shutter AND 'wide open window' at 9:20pm

Because, WHEN they last 'checked' AT 9:30pm (half past nine) (Gerry's sister TC) they (THREE McCann 'kids') were ALL sound 'asleep' 'SLEEPING'.......windows SHUT, shutter SHUT!

I repeat, TEN 'minutes' AFTER the supposed 'abduction' as 'witnessed' by McCann FRIEND, J Tanner!

The TWO handwritten 'timelines' (by R O'B) ARE both a 'crock of shite'!

8:45pm: (BOTH 'timelines) ALL 'assembled' at poolside

IF THAT WERE THE 'CASE',.........THEN, WHO THE F*UK WAS MO 'sent' to 'find', at 8:57pm? (RO) Not, youll 'note' 8:55pm or 9:00pm but EXACTLY 8:57pm, if you please! (and, AND, this is even more amazing, about RO's time 'keeping', she DOES NOT even have a WATCH ON!) (must be 8:57pm cos that 'star' is almost aligned to that other 'star', see!, see!)

Oh, i know, the THREE (3) PAYNES!

Oh. hang on, R O'B 'writes' THEY were ALL (including the Paynes) 'assembled' poolside AT 8:45pm!

Thus, so, the badly told 'story' 'begins'!

eta: We're not even 'sure' if the 'writer' (R O'B) of the 'handwritten' timelines was even HIMSELF 'assembled' at poolside AT 8:45pm!

J Tanner 'statement'..................10th May 2007.

"Around 21h00 her husband (actually, 'partner' not husband) arrived at the restaurant, Ev, meanwhile, having fallen asleep"

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm
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Thanks, I can see why they've been reluctant about doing a reconstruction.

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Re: What time did Gerry actually return to the Tapas after his check????????

Post by Realist on 19.12.14 12:41

@ScarletLaw wrote:
 The parents should've told the truth from the beginning, as should have Kate and Gerry. If that had happened then the internet haters would have never happened.

No disrespect, but isn't that a tad naive. If the McCanns committed a fraction of the crimes attributed to them on the internet, they would hardly likely to be of a disposition to tell the truth and admit to them.

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