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Post by violet6000 on 21.12.14 5:45

@universe wrote:On  the Monay 30th. April   when Madeleine's name was  shown to only stayed in the creche for 15minutes and then taken  out again was  the day that  Mark Warner's people  in on the  coverup wanted the Mccanns to stage a beachside  abduction  and not a bogus abduction at  apartment 5a.  However,  the Mccanns dissagreed with initial plan and wanted to have the abduction in  the apartment so as to keep their hold  over  Warners to maintain their  use of  their   finiancial and legal  protection   sources.

Universe, in this scenario, who would have been at the creche on Monday if the accident happened on Sunday night?

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Post by universe on 21.12.14 10:02

Universe to Violet... Sadly, Madeleine never went to creche as it was closed on Sundays and she died on SUNDAY evening. If you read all the statements on files you will read all the lies and coverups by Mark Warner/OC and the Mccons in detail.
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Post by Guest on 21.12.14 10:16

Violet's asking about Monday 30th creche attendance.
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Post by Silver Shuffle on 21.12.14 10:18

I understand Universe as Madeleine never seen the Creche from inside.

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Post by Ashwarya on 21.12.14 14:08

It seems it was the other Madalene who went to Kids Club on Monday and was signed in by GM with her friend Elizabeth.  Both girls were "borrowed".

Universe's contributions are fascinating, and explain a lot of things I had been tussling with, although I have always thought Maddie must have died at the weekend.
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Post by Khaleesi on 21.12.14 16:03

@Ashwarya wrote:It seems it was the other Madalene who went to Kids Club on Monday and was signed in by GM with her friend Elizabeth.  Both girls were "borrowed".

Borrowed from where?
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Post by Ashwarya on 21.12.14 16:11

The information comes from Dewi Lennard (Kikorattan on Twitter) who says that Elizabeth's parents were in PdL at the same time, and also had with them E's friend Madalene (whose parents were not there).  GM is on the Kids Club sheets as having signed in Elizabeth and Madeleine McCann.  All small and blond and pretty, I am sure, so indistinguishable one from another to any casual observer.
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Post by Guest on 21.12.14 16:15

@Ashwarya wrote:The information comes from Dewi Lennard (Kikorattan on Twitter) who says that Elizabeth's parents were in PdL at the same time, and also had with them E's friend Madalene (whose parents were not there).  GM is on the Kids Club sheets as having signed in Elizabeth and Madeleine McCann.  All small and blond and pretty, I am sure, so indistinguishable one from another to any casual observer.

I understand that EN's friend (MR) and her family were in PdL.
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Post by Ashwarya on 21.12.14 16:22

You would think EN and MR would have wanted to attend Kids Club together, as they were friends.

Oh, hang on ......
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Post by ultimaThule on 21.12.14 16:33

@universe wrote:Universe to Violet... Sadly, Madeleine never went to creche  as it was closed on Sundays  and  she died on SUNDAY  evening. If you read all the statements on  files  you will read all the lies and coverups  by Mark Warner/OC and the Mccons  in detail.

Are we expected to believe that MW's much vaunted provisions for babies/toddlers/kids/teens being available for 6 days a week was as misadvertised in 2007 as it is now, universe?
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Post by Khaleesi on 21.12.14 16:49

@universe wrote:Universe to Violet... Sadly, Madeleine never went to creche  as it was closed on Sundays  and  she died on SUNDAY  evening. If you read all the statements on  files  you will read all the lies and coverups  by Mark Warner/OC and the Mccons  in detail.

The creche was NOT closed on Sundays. You can see in PJ Files the activity sheets for the Lobsters group, with Sunday in the first row. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CRECHE.htm

Also you can read the Cat Nanny's statement:

When asked she states that she knows the McCann family since last Sunday, 29th April, 2007, when they enrolled their daughter in the “Minis” service.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CATRIONA-TREASA.htm

Then there is also Nanny Pennington's statement:

- Witness states that on two different days, Sunday, 29th of April 2007, and on Thursday, 03rd of May 2007, she had direct contact with Madeleine McCann, telling her stories and speaking with her.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

...and Stacey Portz's:

Knew the McCann family since 29th of April as they would drop off their toddlers, Sean and Amelie, in the Toddler Club;
--- From 29 April until 3 May she was with those children every day.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STACY-POTZ.htm

The creche was open and working on Sundays.
Forming theories without knowing the basic facts? Hmmm.
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Re: Follow the money trail.

Post by ultimaThule on 21.12.14 17:12

@Brian Griffin wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:I dont remember them ever using Nanny evening service.
What? You mean pay for something they didn't absolutely have to?

I've always been puzzled why the McCanns seem so bothered about petty sums of money when they must have been on good salaries as doctors. And what were they doing in a cheapo self-catering resort in the first place?

They don't like it when people ridicule the importance they seem to place on money but they do bring it on themselves, methinks.

In my opinion, obviously.

Mark Warner holidays aren't known for being a cheap option, Brian, and the McCanns and their chums' holidayed on a half-board basis with breakfast and either lunch or an evening meal with unlimited local wine included in the price - subsequently upgraded gratis after 3 May to an all you can scoff&quaff inclusive deal.

Childcare for under 5's can seriously rack up the cost of a MW holiday, as can be seen from the current tariff for the mini-club which Madeleine allegedly attended:  
6 Mornings: 9am to 12.30pm - FREE
6 Afternoons: 2.30pm to 5.30pm - FREE
6 Full days: 9am to 12.30pm & 2.30pm to 5.30pm - £180 per week

However, when it came to the twins, it would seem the McCanns benefited from something of a 2 for 1 discount until MW picked up the tab and, most considerately, opened the toddlers' club especially for them on Saturday 6 May.
Toddler 1
6 Mornings: 9am to 12.30pm - £180 per week
6 Afternoons: 2.30pm to 5.300pm - £180 per week
6 Full days: 9am to 12.30pm & 2.30pm to 5.30pm - £360 per week

Toddler 2
6 Mornings: 9am to 12.30pm - FREE
6 Afternoons: 2.30pm to 5.300pm - FREE
6 Full days: 9am to 12.30pm & 2.30pm to 5.30pm - £180 per week

The sea air must have gone to Gerry's head as, allegedly, the McCann family didn't breakfast at the Millenium after Sunday 29 April and shopped at the Baptista for eggs&bacon cereals which they ate in their apartment.
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Why Universe's theory fails imo

Post by Latetothecase on 21.12.14 17:33

Don't get me wrong, it's quite neat but for one thing.

If Murat was flown back as a matter of urgency to arrange the scam for both parties, he would have been the last person for the Tapas group to point the finger at. He would have sung within the week to save his own skin and reputation imo.

I seriously question if Murat knew what he was getting involved with being helpful, until the meeting with his lawyer and Kennedy much later, possibly.

Side issues:

The friends would have simply denied knowing KM sedated her kids. Nowt to do with them what people do in private to their kids. They wouldn't be struck off for that.

It does make sense that MW might have moved them to 5a post incident to remove DNA that showed drugs. So which family were in there that had the 'light-up' kids trainers? Naylor, Rider, Wilkins or other? Is that how they might have been persuaded to take pity on these bereaved parents? Could there have been a substantial upgrade to a palatial villa for any inconvenience? Or other benefits?

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Post by AlexBG on 21.12.14 18:01

Ladyinred wrote:I understand that EN's friend (MR) and her family were in PdL.
Is there evidence of this? I've yet to see any...

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Re: Follow the money trail.

Post by Khaleesi on 21.12.14 18:27

@Latetothecase wrote:
It does make sense that MW might have moved them to 5a post incident to remove DNA that showed drugs. So which family were in there that had the 'light-up' kids trainers? Naylor, Rider, Wilkins or other? Is that how they might have been persuaded to take pity on these bereaved parents? Could there have been a substantial upgrade to a palatial villa for any inconvenience? Or other benefits?

DNA cannot "show drugs". DNA is just a genetic material. Blood and other bodily fluids can contain drugs, easy to found out if there is enough of these fluids to make a tox screen. I don't know, though, why Mark Warner would cover up for the McCanns drug usage on children.
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Post by plebgate on 21.12.14 18:32

@Khaleesi wrote:
@Latetothecase wrote:
It does make sense that MW might have moved them to 5a post incident to remove DNA that showed drugs.
So which family were in there that had the 'light-up' kids trainers? Naylor, Rider, Wilkins or other? Is that how they might have been persuaded to take pity on these bereaved parents? Could there have been a substantial upgrade to a palatial villa for any inconvenience? Or other benefits?

DNA cannot "show drugs". DNA is just a genetic material. Blood and other bodily fluids can contain drugs, easy to found out if there is enough of these fluids to make a tox screen. I don't know, though, why Mark Warner would cover up for the McCanns drug usage on children.
Re. red highlighting - moved them from where?

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Post by Latetothecase on 21.12.14 18:42

Yes, my bad saying DNA I meant anything that could be found re drugs forensically.

From where, another apartment perhaps, as the one the world knows as 5a had no sign of MM, but the cleaner specifically recalled the special trainers in that apartment. Maybe a sub's footwear?

It has also been mentioned the lack of breakfast material in the kitchen considering they had decided to eat in their apartment every morning, which could indicate a quick switch imo.

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Post by aquila on 21.12.14 18:48

@Latetothecase wrote:Yes, my bad saying DNA I meant anything that could be found re drugs forensically.

From where, another apartment perhaps, as the one the world knows as 5a had no sign of MM, but the cleaner specifically recalled the special trainers in that apartment. Maybe a sub's footwear?

It has also been mentioned the lack of breakfast material in the kitchen considering they had decided to eat in their apartment every morning, which could indicate a quick switch imo.
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Post by Khaleesi on 21.12.14 18:53

@Latetothecase wrote:
It has also been mentioned the lack of breakfast material in the kitchen considering they had decided to eat in their apartment every morning, which could indicate a quick switch imo.

The lack of breakfast stuff in the apartment is easy explainable, as the Millenium staff recognised in the McCanns the people that were breakfasting there. McBunch lied again about eating breakfasts in their apartment. But why?
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Post by aquila on 21.12.14 19:01

@Khaleesi wrote:
@Latetothecase wrote:
It has also been mentioned the lack of breakfast material in the kitchen considering they had decided to eat in their apartment every morning, which could indicate a quick switch imo.

The lack of breakfast stuff in the apartment is easy explainable, as the Millenium staff recognised in the McCanns the people that were breakfasting there. McBunch lied again about eating breakfasts in their apartment. But why?
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Post by Khaleesi on 21.12.14 19:51

@aquila wrote:
@Khaleesi wrote:
@Latetothecase wrote:
It has also been mentioned the lack of breakfast material in the kitchen considering they had decided to eat in their apartment every morning, which could indicate a quick switch imo.

The lack of breakfast stuff in the apartment is easy explainable, as the Millenium staff recognised in the McCanns the people that were breakfasting there. McBunch lied again about eating breakfasts in their apartment. But why?
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Alice Maria Velhuco Ciriaco Guerreiro Silvestre:

When asked, she says she remembers the McCann family as they often used the restaurant where she worked although she adds that she never had a conversation with them.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ALICE-SILVESTRE.htm


Ana Marilia do Carmo Silva

She says that the child and her parents frequented the restaurant where they would have breakfast.
When asked, she says that she can not remember the date when they first began to frequent the restaurant.
However she is certain that they frequented the restaurant from the beginning of the week.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANA-SILVA.htm


Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo

When asked, she says that she knows the parents, the siblings and Madeleine. She received them for breakfast on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, she does not know whether they went for breakfast on Sunday or Monday, as these were her days off.

She says that breakfast was served between 08.00 and 10.00 and that the McCanns would arrive between 08.00 and 09.00.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CECILIA-DFC.htm


John Sholto Young

After seeing their [the McCann's] picture, he immediately remembered that he had seen them having breakfast in the restaurant where he works, but that he does not remember any situation in particular involving this family, nor does he remember hearing or noticing any strange situation involving their presence.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_YOUNG.htm


Pedro Alexandre Gonzaga Ribeiro

He says that he has no knowledge of any strange events before the disappearance. With regard to the McCann family, he has nothing to say as he had no close contact with them.

He says that they would have breakfast in the morning at the restaurant. He cannot guarantee it, but he thinks they were regular guests at the time in the morning.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PEDRO-RIBEIRO.htm


Tiffany Carol Horner

On Tuesdays and Thursdays she works at the restaurant, serving at the tables from 07.30 to 15.30.

When asked, she says she does not know Madeleine's parents, but she does remember the arrival of their group as it was a large group. She does not remember having served them at the table.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIFFANY_HORNER.htm


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Re: Follow the money trail.

Post by j.rob on 21.12.14 20:28

@Latetothecase wrote:Don't get me wrong, it's quite neat but for one thing.

If Murat was flown back as a matter of urgency to arrange the scam for both parties, he would have been the last person for the Tapas group to point the finger at. He would have sung within the week to save his own skin and reputation imo.

I seriously question if Murat knew what he was getting involved with being helpful, until the meeting with his lawyer and Kennedy much later, possibly.

Side issues:

The friends would have simply denied knowing KM sedated her kids. Nowt to do with them what people do in private to their kids. They wouldn't be struck off for that.

It does make sense that MW might have moved them to 5a post incident to remove DNA that showed drugs. So which family were in there that had the 'light-up' kids trainers? Naylor, Rider, Wilkins or other? Is that how they might have been persuaded to take pity on these bereaved parents? Could there have been a substantial upgrade to a palatial villa for any inconvenience? Or other benefits?

It is of interest to me that the early human scent sniffer dogs that were sent by Portuguese police  ran from apartment 5A and alerted to nearby apartment 5J, which apparently was empty.

Of course,  it may well be that the items that the McCanns gave the Portuguese police for the sniffer dogs to scent did not, in fact, have the scent of  Madeleine on them. Given how deceptive the Ms and Tapas have been, and given that it would appear that neither the McCanns nor the Tapas actually WANTED anyone to find Madeleine (especially not the Portuguese police) it would  be likely that TM would want the dogs to follow a false scent. One that went in the direction of the alleged abductor. And not in the direction that the (probably deceased) Madeleine was taken.

In order to support the 'abduction from apartment 5A by mystery person' theory the sniffer dogs would obviously need to follow a scent away from apartment 5A that lead quickly away, as, logically,  the 'abductor' would want to make a quick get-away so as to not be spotted. It would simply not be plausible to suggest that 'the abductor' would head off in a random fashion and wander around somewhat aimlessly for 45 minutes or so (as would appear to be suggested by the Smith-man sighting, if, as TM allege, Tanner-man and Smith-man are the same person).

So you would think that TM would have wanted the scent trail to go directly out of 5A to the nearest exit point from the block, and then in the direction that Jane Tanner's Tanner-man allegedly went.

But the early sniffer dogs did not do this. The went from apartment 5A to allegedly empty nearby apartment 5J (which is in the opposite direction to the nearest exit from the block) then circled the whole block before exiting in the direction of Baptista supermarket. 

A completely different direction to that taken by Tanner-man. In actual fact, was this more in the direction taken by Smith-man????

Oops!! What is going on here?

Of interest is that the early media reports about the findings of the human scent sniffer dogs claim that they went in the direction of Tanner-man. Whereas, if you look in the PJ files, you will see this is a lie. The sniffer dogs went in an entirely different direction. The direction of the supermarket. (The direction of Smith-man??)

So what is going on here? Why did the sniffer dogs alert outside apartment 5J? Whose scent was on the material given to Portuguese police by Team McCann? Presumably, if Madeleine had died earlier in the week (say) and the Mcs and their friends wanted to be deceptive about it and fake an abduction of Madeleine from apartment 5A on Thursday night, then they would have made sure that there was a certain scent trial away from apartment 5A that the sniffer dogs would follow? Someone from TM, say, prior to the time of the alleged 'abduction' would walk away from apartment 5A in the direction in which Madeleine had allegedly been taken by her abductor. Then the scent of that 'someone' would be given by TM to the early human scent sniffer dogs. So the dogs would follow the route that was allegedly taken by Madeleine's abductor.

But this did not happen. The sniffer dogs did not take a direct exit from 5A into the street. They circled around the block alerting at another apartment. Then they went in a completely different direction to Tanner-man.

Oh dear! What went wrong, TM? Why did the sniffer dogs not support your hypothesis? Why did they not support your Tanner-man conspiracy theory? Why did they go in the wrong direction?

And then, later, why did cadaver sniffer dogs detect the scent of a body in apartment 5A.

Those pesky sniffer dogs, eh? 

I wonder who apartment 5J belongs to. And whether or not this apartment was actually empty that fateful week?

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Post by ScarletLaw on 21.12.14 20:41

The item for scent the McCanns tried to give the police first, the police immediately realised had smaller hairs and belonged to the twins. So they had to get something that was Madeleine's? I don't know much about the dogs yet, but I know if she was in the arms of someone the dogs wouldn't get much of a scent because they're off the ground.

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Post by ultimaThule on 21.12.14 20:50

@ScarletLaw wrote:The item for scent the McCanns tried to give the police first, the police immediately realised had smaller hairs and belonged to the twins. So they had to get something that was Madeleine's? I don't know much about the dogs yet, but I know if she was in the arms of someone the dogs wouldn't get much of a scent because they're off the ground.

'Smaller hairs and belonged to the twins'? Is this fact tucked away somewhere in the PJ's reports I've yet to explore, Scarlet?
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