Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

by juliet 11.11.14 15:03

Bobbin I agree with your findings 100%. Thank you for your clarity. Atomic Peanut made the point a long time ago that there was sunshine on May 3 and Gerry was hot and red because he came straight from tennis. QED.

by Guest 11.11.14 15:28

juliet wrote:Bobbin I agree with your findings 100%.

What specifically are you agreeing with? That the shadow on the shirt is impossible?

Thank you for your clarity. Atomic Peanut made the point a long time ago that there was sunshine on May 3 and Gerry was hot and red because he came straight from tennis. QED

Is that what Kate said in the book?

by **PeterMac** 11.11.14 16:38

juliet wrote:Bobbin I agree with your findings 100%. Thank you for your clarity. Atomic Peanut made the point a long time ago that there was sunshine on May 3 and Gerry was hot and red because he came straight from tennis. QED.

Atomic Peanut did indeed make that point. Even though it is wrong.
But don't let the facts get in the way of an exculpatory theory.

by **PeterMac** 11.11.14 17:54

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by **Tony Bennett** 11.11.14 18:33

juliet wrote:Bobbin I agree with your findings 100%. Thank you for your clarity. Atomic Peanut made the point a long time ago that there was sunshine on May 3 and Gerry was hot and red because he came straight from tennis. QED.

juliet, sorry, but your attempts to prove that the photo really was taken at 2.29pm on 3 May are getting feebler and feebler.

'Straight from tennis' at 2.29pm???

Have you read 'madeleine' by Dr Kate McCann?

On pp. 65-6 she gives a detailed description of how she and Madeleine 'met up with' Gerry and the twins, they had a leisurely lunch together, then sat quietly by the pool during the luncl-time period.

'Straight from tennis'??

Gerry is in his ordinary clothes, not his tennis gear.

Straight from tennis??

Where do you get this from please?

You state it is a fact. But it is not, is it? If it is not a fact, you need to withdraw that statement.

Talking of tennis, if you read the accounts of what Gerry McCann did that afternoon, he was either playing tennis or 'hanging around the tennis courts' most of the time from around 3pm to 8pm.

This included the most remarkable feat of playing a game of 'social tennis' sometime between 7pm and 8pm with his Tapas friends, despite having been unable to continue at 4.30pm - when he 'knocked up' for yet another tennis session - due to an extremely painful 'Achilles tendon injury'.

This appears to be the most dramatic recovery from an Achilles tendon injury in world history.

But then he is a doctor

by j.rob 11.11.14 18:36

No-one is under any obligation on this forum to 'prove' anything. An opinion is just that - an opinion.

In my opinion the 'last photo' is fake. It looks like a desperate attempt by the McCanns to place the family in a happy little gathering on Thursday lunchtime. When that was not what was happening.

by **Tony Bennett** 11.11.14 18:40

j.rob wrote:No-one is under any obligation on this forum to 'prove' anything. An opinion is just that - an opinion.

In my opinion the 'last photo' is fake. It looks like a desperate attempt by the McCanns to place the family in a happy little gathering on Thursday lunchtime. When that was not what was happening.

Fine, but may I ask you to summarise your evidence that it is fake - thanks

by j.rob 11.11.14 18:48

I've written extensively on this thread why in my opinion the photo appears to be a fake. The body proportions are wrong. Amelie's right arm is missing. Gerry's upper body is far too big for his lower body. Amelie's right hand is not flat on the pool-side but appears to be hanging down which is inconsistent with the bent elbow of the left arm.

Madeleine's head is at an impossible angle to her body and appears 'stuck on'. Gerry is 'floating' above the pool.

What they are wearing is inconsistent with a relatively cool day with a fairly strong wind. The water would be chilly so I think it is unlikely they would be sitting with their legs in the water in such light clothes.

And so on. The whole photo looks like a composite to me. With no interaction between any of them. Gerry staring in desperation at whoever is taking the photograph. Despite Gerry and Amelie being so close together there is no interaction at all between them. And his right arm fades somewhat strangely behind her.

As others have said, Gerry's legs also look odd.

Those are just my views on the 'last photo'.

Plus, why did it take so long to be published? Three weeks - that is ludicrous, as Gerry would say.

by j.rob 11.11.14 19:05

Another link to discussions on 'the last photo':

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I would be fascinated in getting some more opinions from professional photographers on 'the last photo'.

by Guest 11.11.14 19:11

j.rob wrote:I've written extensively on this thread why in my opinion the photo appears to be a fake. The body proportions are wrong.

OK baby steps again...

One at a time.

Show us how you measured the body proportions as wrong?

by **PeterMac** 11.11.14 20:27

Tony Bennett wrote:
On pp. 65-6 she gives a detailed description of how she and Madeleine 'met up with' Gerry and the twins, they had a leisurely lunch together, then sat quietly by the pool during the lunch-time period.

In the teeth of a full Force 4 stiff breeze blowing in from the WSW across waste land, a road and a very low wall with minimal vegetation, right in their faces
On an already fairly cold day, where the wind chill factor would have made this very unpleasant, but Madeleine's hat perched cheerily on her head, the stands of her baby soft fine hair hang loosely down
and Gerry sits, perspiring gently, with sunglasses on . . .

If anyone wants to SEE the wind conditions have a look at
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by j.rob 11.11.14 20:28

Okay, baby steps, bluebag.

The human eye and the human brain are highly sophisticated devices. My eye and my brain are signalling to me that there are many things wrong with 'the last photo'.

Just as they are signalling to me that the whole story as concocted by Team McCann is a pile of poo.

And not just 'the last photo' - nearly every single photo that the McCann's have released. They nearly all look very odd.

The human brain and eyes and perceptions have been honed over hundreds of thousands of years.

I find my perceptions very useful in guiding me in certain directions.

So, bluebag, show me how the body proportions are right?

by Guest 11.11.14 20:43

j.rob wrote:Okay, baby steps, bluebag.

The human eye and the human brain are highly sophisticated devices. My eye and my brain are signalling to me that there are many things wrong with 'the last photo'.

Is that it?

You must have some scientific way, surely?

So, bluebag, show me how the body proportions are right?

I don't have to. I'm not making an extraordinary claim.

I accept that cameras are not great at capturing proportions. It's that focal length and distance thing again.

Maybe you could watch this:

by juliet 11.11.14 20:49

I cannot believe TB!! I don't believe the photo was taken on May 3. But then I don't believe the photo was taken on the Saturday or Sunday or any other day. I have said repeatedly it is fake and I am baffled that TB and Bluebag try to force their views on everyone. But then TB has even started promoting the playground photo as genuine...

by juliet 11.11.14 20:55

May I say jrob, that imo TB and Bluebag are so fixated on the weather and shadows that they have forgotten how to use their eyes. Or common sense. I am now goggling at McCann's huge fat Popeye lower arm which you pointed out. As big as Amelie's head.

by Guest 11.11.14 21:01

juliet wrote:I cannot believe TB!! I don't believe the photo was taken on May 3. But then I don't believe the photo was taken on the Saturday or Sunday or any other day. I have said repeatedly it is fake and I am baffled that TB and Bluebag try to force their views on everyone.

All i'm doing is asking for substance to claims made.

Is that a problem?

If you claim something is fake you need to demonstrate how it's fake.

But then TB has even started promoting the playground photo as genuine...

Maybe that's because it is.

I saw people saying the shadows were wrong on that one as well.

Same lack of understanding.

by Guest 11.11.14 21:04

juliet wrote:May I say jrob, that imo TB and Bluebag are so fixated on the weather and shadows that they have forgotten how to use their eyes. Or common sense. I am now goggling at McCann's huge fat Popeye lower arm which you pointed out. As big as Amelie's head.

Are serious?

A) It's resting on his thigh and is pushed out.

B) it's foreshortened.

by rustyjames 11.11.14 21:07

PeterMac wrote:
... SNIP ...

If anyone wants to SEE the wind conditions have a look at
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PeterMac - is that the correct link? According to this, Day 3 of the competition was on 3rd May?

by juliet 11.11.14 21:08

Bluebag - like the last photo the playground pic is a fake from top to bottom. What IS this new thing that you and TB are trying to force onto the forum? I have never in my years here seen such a concerted effort to say black is white and tell people they are blind, stupid or - "disruptive" - if they won't agree.

by Guest 11.11.14 21:10

juliet wrote:Like the last photo the playground pic is a fake from top to bottom. What IS this new thing that you and TB are trying to force onto the forum? I have never in my years here seen such a concerted effort to say black is white and tell people they are blind, stupid or - "disruptive" - if they won't agree.

I'm not forcing anything.

I'm asking for evidence of your claims.

Are you really serious about that arm?

by missbeetle 11.11.14 21:13

BlueBag wrote:
juliet wrote:May I say jrob, that imo TB and Bluebag are so fixated on the weather and shadows that they have forgotten how to use their eyes. Or common sense. I am now goggling at McCann's huge fat Popeye lower arm which you pointed out. As big as Amelie's head.
Are serious?

A) It's resting on his thigh and is pushed out.

B) it's foreshortened.

It's a python and it's swallowed something...?

Gerry's right forearm looks disconcertingly swollen to me.

by juliet 11.11.14 21:17

Are you seriou that "it's resting on his thigh and pushed out"?. Resting on his weird weightless floating thigh? Next to the daughter with the missing arm and the other daughter lacking all tendons and support in her neck? Next you will say Maddie has two left feet in the playground because she was wearing two left trainers as Kate packed the wrong shoes. And her five feet height (if straightened) was because she had a holiday growth spurt. And her right knee was always missing.

by juliet 11.11.14 21:20

missbeetle, I am surprised bluebag didn't suggest that McCann had been eating spinach with his sea bass. How can a hand on a hip push out a forearm?

by canada12 11.11.14 21:26

Are we talking about Gerry's left forearm, which is attached to a hand we cannot see which is (apparently) resting on his hip?
Or Gerry's right forearm, which is resting on his thigh?
There seems to be some confusion here.