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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by canada12 on 11.11.14 21:34

@juliet wrote:The left arm below the elbow near Amelie's head.

That's what I thought. There seems to be some confusion further up this thread, whereby Gerry's right arm has been inserted into the argument :-)

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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by Guest on 11.11.14 21:35

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@juliet wrote:Bobbin I agree with your findings 100%. Thank you for your clarity. Atomic Peanut made the point a long time ago that there was sunshine on May 3 and Gerry was hot and red because he came straight from tennis. QED.
juliet, sorry, but your attempts to prove that the photo really was taken at 2.29pm on 3 May are getting feebler and feebler.

'Straight from tennis' at 2.29pm???

Have you read 'madeleine' by Dr Kate McCann?

On pp. 65-6 she gives a detailed description of how she and Madeleine 'met up with' Gerry and the twins, they had a leisurely lunch together, then sat quietly by the pool during the luncl-time period.

'Straight from tennis'??

Gerry is in his ordinary clothes, not his tennis gear.

Straight from tennis??

Where do you get this from please?

You state it is a fact. But it is not, is it? If it is not a fact, you need to withdraw that statement.

Talking of tennis, if you read the accounts of what Gerry McCann did that afternoon, he was either playing tennis or 'hanging around the tennis courts' most of the time from around 3pm to 8pm.

This included the most remarkable feat of playing a game of 'social tennis' sometime between 7pm and 8pm with his Tapas friends, despite having been unable to continue at 4.30pm - when he 'knocked up' for yet another tennis session - due to an extremely painful 'Achilles tendon injury'.

This appears to be the most dramatic recovery from an Achilles tendon injury in world history.

But then he is a doctor

Are you saying that 'Madeleine' is a true account then TB? One that can be relied on to give a true and accurate chronology of events?

Surely, SURELY not!
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Post by BlueBag on 11.11.14 21:36

@juliet wrote:The left arm below the elbow near Amelie's head.
What should it look like?
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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by juliet on 11.11.14 21:37

The left arm seems to have been given an unnatural curve which makes it too wide. Yet there are odd things going on with Amelie' s neck and hair. To me, it looks as if the wall was behind Amelie before the arm was shopped in.
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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by BlueBag on 11.11.14 21:40

@juliet wrote:The left arm seems to have been given an unnatural curve which makes it too wide.
How much is it too wide by?

What are you comparing it to?
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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by canada12 on 11.11.14 21:42

Just for the sake of argument, regarding Gerry's left arm...

1. It is bent at the elbow
2. It is attached to a hand which we cannot see
3. We assume the hand is resting on his hip or some other point of anatomy out of sight
4. His arm is behind Amelie
5. Amelie is in front of Gerry and therefore closer to the camera
6. If we follow the line of Gerry's arm behind Amelie's head we can more or less determine where the upper edge of his forearm is
7. We can see the lower edge of his forearm
8. The high-res copy of The Last Photo is viewed at 100%
9. From the presumed upper edge of Gerry's forearm to the visible lower edge of his forearm, at what is probably its widest point, just above Amelie's left shoulder, the measurement is 2 inches.
10. From the widest point of Amelie's face, measuring from her right cheek to just below her left ear, the measurement is 2 inches
11. Therefore in this photo, Gerry's left forearm is as wide as Amelie's head
12. Is this realistic?
13. Comments are invited

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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by juliet on 11.11.14 21:46

Blackcatboogie, I was trying to make an ironical point about the "it's a genuine photo!" push from TB and Bluebag. No question but what TB was being ironical back when he cited the book as the true word.
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Post by missbeetle on 11.11.14 21:48

@canada12 wrote:Are we talking about Gerry's left forearm, which is attached to a hand we cannot see which is (apparently) resting on his hip?
Or Gerry's right forearm, which is resting on his thigh?
There seems to be some confusion here.


(snipped from telegraph.co.uk)


Top inner right forearm looks like one giant bleb to me.

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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by BlueBag on 11.11.14 21:51

We need to know how wide Amelies head at that angle is and how wide Gerry's arm is in that position.

Anyone?
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Post by juliet on 11.11.14 21:53

Whoever did this photoshopping was a bit useless. But seven years ago I suppose few had the skills. Do take a close look behind Amelie's neck. There is a strange sticking out bit but also hints of light and shade which would match the wall and not that malformed arm.
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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by BlueBag on 11.11.14 21:53

@missbeetle wrote:
@canada12 wrote:Are we talking about Gerry's left forearm, which is attached to a hand we cannot see which is (apparently) resting on his hip?
Or Gerry's right forearm, which is resting on his thigh?
There seems to be some confusion here.


(snipped from telegraph.co.uk)


Top inner right forearm looks like one giant bleb to me.
Resting, flattened and foreshortened.

How should it look?
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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by canada12 on 11.11.14 21:54

@BlueBag wrote:We need to know how wide Amelies head at that angle is and how wide Gerry's arm is in that position.

Anyone?

See my measurements a few postings above this.

regarding Gerry's left arm...

1. It is bent at the elbow
2. It is attached to a hand which we cannot see
3. We assume the hand is resting on his hip or some other point of anatomy out of sight
4. His arm is behind Amelie
5. Amelie is in front of Gerry and therefore closer to the camera
6. If we follow the line of Gerry's arm behind Amelie's head we can more or less determine where the upper edge of his forearm is
7. We can see the lower edge of his forearm
8. The high-res copy of The Last Photo is viewed at 100%
9. From the presumed upper edge of Gerry's forearm to the visible lower edge of his forearm, at what is probably its widest point, just above Amelie's left shoulder, the measurement is 2 inches.
10. From the widest point of Amelie's face, measuring from her right cheek to just below her left ear, the measurement is 2 inches
11. Therefore in this photo, Gerry's left forearm is as wide as Amelie's head
12. Is this realistic?

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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by juliet on 11.11.14 21:57

Just use your eyes for once Bluebag instead of bleating on. The arm is too big and fat and bingo-winged to be a normal arm and it is as big as a girl's head! By the evidence of anyone's eyes!
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Post by BlueBag on 11.11.14 21:58

@juliet wrote:Whoever did this photoshopping was a bit useless. But seven years ago I suppose few had the skills. Do take a close look behind Amelie's neck. There is a strange sticking out bit but also hints of light and shade which would match the wall and not that malformed arm.
Looks like the back of the pink hat to me.
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Post by BlueBag on 11.11.14 22:00

@juliet wrote:Just use your eyes for once Bluebag instead of bleating on. The arm is too big and fat and bingo-winged to be a normal arm and it is as big as a girl's head! By the evidence of anyone's eyes!
Looks are deceptive, assumptions are deceptive, photos are deceptive and distorted (google "lens distortion").

Do you have the measurements?
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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by juliet on 11.11.14 22:01

You can't tell the difference between a hat and hair? Bluebag - no wonder you can't get what we are saying.
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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by canada12 on 11.11.14 22:03

Just to add further measurements to the mix:

1. Gerry's left arm at its widest measurement is 2 inches
2. Amelie's head is 2 inches
3. Gerry's right arm, at its squishiest widest point, is 2 inches
4. Therefore in this picture, Gerry's squishy right arm is 2 inches wide and is as wide as his non-squished left arm.

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Post by canada12 on 11.11.14 22:04

@BlueBag wrote:
@juliet wrote:Just use your eyes for once Bluebag instead of bleating on. The arm is too big and fat and bingo-winged to be a normal arm and it is as big as a girl's head! By the evidence of anyone's eyes!
Looks are deceptive, assumptions are deceptive, photos are deceptive and distorted (google "lens distortion").

Do you have the measurements?

I've provided the measurements, BB.
Please see other recent posts in this thread.

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Re: Analyzing position of sun in last photo

Post by BlueBag on 11.11.14 22:06

@canada12 wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:
@juliet wrote:Just use your eyes for once Bluebag instead of bleating on. The arm is too big and fat and bingo-winged to be a normal arm and it is as big as a girl's head! By the evidence of anyone's eyes!
Looks are deceptive, assumptions are deceptive, photos are deceptive and distorted (google "lens distortion").

Do you have the measurements?

I've provided the measurements, BB.
Please see other recent posts in this thread.
No. I mean the real life measurements.

For comparison.
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Post by BlueBag on 11.11.14 22:09

@juliet wrote:You can't tell the difference between a hat and hair? Bluebag - no wonder you can't get what we are saying.

You can just about see the continuation of the shoulder line into the neck.

What you have above looks like a combination of hair and back of the hat plus good old jpeg compression.
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Post by canada12 on 11.11.14 22:14

@juliet wrote:Whoever did this photoshopping was a bit useless. But seven years ago I suppose few had the skills. Do take a close look behind Amelie's neck. There is a strange sticking out bit but also hints of light and shade which would match the wall and not that malformed arm.

Is this what you're referring to, Juliet? The strange bit at the back of Amelie's neck which doesn't seem to be hair, and seems to be unconnected to the line of her neck?


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Post by juliet on 11.11.14 22:17

Something odd there canada12, but don't know what it is.. Also it seems that it is the wall behind her hair and not the arm at all.
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Post by BlueBag on 11.11.14 22:17

@canada12 wrote:
@juliet wrote:Whoever did this photoshopping was a bit useless. But seven years ago I suppose few had the skills. Do take a close look behind Amelie's neck. There is a strange sticking out bit but also hints of light and shade which would match the wall and not that malformed arm.

Is this what you're referring to, Juliet? The strange bit at the back of Amelie's neck which doesn't seem to be hair, and seems to be unconnected to the line of her neck?

It looks like a double strand of hair.
You can just see the continuation of the shoulderline beneath.
There is also what could be the back of the pink hat above/behind that as well.
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Post by juliet on 11.11.14 22:27

There is no pink hat at the back. Yet McCann's arm is so close it should be presssing the floppy pink brim down imo. We see instead Amelie's fine hair, that odd little bump and what looks as if it could be the pale wall.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 11.11.14 22:33

BlackCatBoogie wrote:
Are you saying that 'Madeleine' is a true account then TB? One that can be relied on to give a true and accurate chronology of events?

Surely, SURELY not!
I stated what Dr Kate McCann wrote in 'madeleine' about lunchtime on 3 May. Of course you and everybody else on this forum knows that I don't think that that book is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

juliet stated, bold as brass, as a settled fact, that Gerry was hot and flush in the photo because he'd only just finish a tenis sesssion. 

I asked her foer her soutrce for saying this.

Unfortunately she has not yet produced it yet.

And that's probably because what she said about that was untrue - and therefore misled forum members.

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