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Sonia Poulton...Jim Gamble...Twitter

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JIM GAMBLE - OPERATION ORE

Post by PeterMac on 07.11.14 16:25

Putting it here, just for posterity

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2007/may/17/guardianweeklytechnologysection2?CMP=twt_gu
When will we know whether Operation Ore was a success?

Charles Arthur

The Guardian, Thursday 17 May 2007
According to Jim Gamble, former head of the National Crime Squad who oversaw the crackdown on suspected paedophiles, "very soon". That is, once the operation (which started with 7,000-odd names from the database of the US porn portal Landslide) has been "wrapped up", the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre which he now heads will release statistics on how effective it has been.

So how soon is "very soon"? Though we asked him this question multiple times, Gamble declined to put any timescale on it. He says, though, that 140 children have been "rescued" in the UK "in cases where we have found evidence of actual ongoing abuse".

Gamble also stands by his remarks, made in January to the House of Lords Select Committee on Science and Technology, and again last week in a BBC Investigation programme about Operation Ore, that "we never prosecute someone simply on the basis of their credit card being used [on Landslide]".

This might seem to be contradicted by the example of a doctor tried in Hull in 2004, where the police found no incriminating pictures or emails on his machine. There were, however, credit card transactions in the doctor's name via the Landslide site, and the doctor was tried for "incitement" - that is, inciting Landslide to provide child pornography. (Whether it arrived or not is immaterial to the charge of incitement: if you ask someone in the street for a wrap of heroin, you're inciting them to commit the crime of supplying.)

The judge instructed the jury to acquit the doctor, given the plain evidence that the credit card had been used fraudulently in the US, raising the obvious possibility that the Landslide entry was the work of a hacker.

Does that disprove Gamble's statement? Not necessarily. Landslide's database contained names, email addresses, billing addresses, usernames, passwords and often telephone numbers. Expert witnesses defending Ore "incitement" cases (where no incriminating evidence has been found) say thousands of those had been stolen from legitimate sites and used to generate cash for associated site owners (Operation Ore flawed by fraud, April 19). But "credit card details" might mean just the card number, name and billing address. Might a username, email address or password be enough to spark an incitement prosecution?

We asked CEOP if Gamble could clarify what "credit card details" means. It declined to elucidate. "To the best of our knowledge, no one was prosecuted on the basis of credit card details alone,"it repeated.

Very soon, being another wayof saying Imminent ? ?

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Re: Sonia Poulton...Jim Gamble...Twitter

Post by margaret on 08.11.14 0:40

@plebgate wrote:Thanks Tiny for info.    Wow, so some Tapas have been prepared to speak to Sonia then?

How long before this docu. is ready?

She said she'd asked them, doesn't mean they answered. I am looking forward to the documentary though.
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Post by plebgate on 08.11.14 16:57

Thanks for that Margaret.    At least it seems as though they know about this documentary.    smilie

Yes, I can't wait, I wish someone could tell us how long before we get to see it.

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Post by Lance De Boils on 13.11.14 9:34

Has Sonia Poulton finished making her docu yet? Anyone know?
Has anyone here got the ability to sent her a private message on Twitter?
If so, please let me know.
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Re: Sonia Poulton...Jim Gamble...Twitter

Post by Tony Bennett on 13.11.14 9:43

@Stillthinking wrote:
@Doug D wrote:And whilst speaking to Steven Carpenter:

'What was it you said in your May 2007 statement that prevented it from being released with the rest of the PJ files?'

eta There is nothing in the bits DC Ferguson read out and that can be reconstructed into his old statement that would have caused it to be excluded, but was something else said?

It also seems to validate the claim that PE was already booked to leave the next day and didn't just 'up & run'.
 Could it be him pondering whether he might be Jane's "bundleman"?
Jane's 'bundleman'/Tannerman appears to be based on a description of Wojcek Krokowski - see here:  https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t10602-was-wojcek-krokowski-sagres-man-with-a-camera-the-template-for-both-tannerman-and-smithman

Nuno Lourenco's description of 'the paedophile on Sagres beach' most certainly was, see same link: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t10602-was-wojcek-krokowski-sagres-man-with-a-camera-the-template-for-both-tannerman-and-smithman

The two descriptions are uncannily similar:

Jane Tanner to PJ, 4 May, and
Nuno Lourenco to PJ, early on 5 May.

Amaral and his fellow detectives initially thought they were the same man - 'The Truth About a Lie', Chapter 3

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Sonia Poulton documentary.

Post by interestedobserver on 14.11.14 14:32

This will not be finished until after the Brenda Leyland inquest on 18th December.
I would guess that it will be out very early next year.
It will be well worth waiting for!

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