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Post by Joss on 19.10.14 15:00

@Geowoo wrote:I listened to the Grisham article on tv. He suggested that any visits to child porn sites were clumsy, fumbling acts of drunk men who had pressed a few wrong buttons on their keyboard.
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Post by Geowoo on 19.10.14 15:01

@truthfultiger wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Didn't Gerry say he was NOT involved in the dossier ?
Have the ST done it again ?

I think that naughty ST is fishing to see who'll bite. Afterall £50k isn't that much for them in the grand scheme of things (or I wouldn't have thought so). Possibly worth an out of court settlement or too for the sake of catching a gerryfish.  All in my opinion of course.

50k is a piddling amount but the perception of wrongdoing in the mind of their readership is far more damaging. they cannot be seen to bend the knee to this odious couple....Jeez...just got myself a two year stretch for this comment! sad1
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Post by mouse on 19.10.14 15:09

Was listening to 5Live end of last week and the Grisham story (which hasn't had that much news coverage) came up and the female presenter then spoke to an 'Expert' on child exploitation - yes you guessed it our old pal Jim Gamble. She asked him if Mr Grisham's view on this matter was right. He answered that no it was not correct as children were being abused so that Mr Grishams friend and others could view these pictures. Well blow me, but I could have sworn this was not his opinion a short while ago......As Aquilia also pointed out, his thoughts on this were clearly made, and caused much shock at the time. 

Well now it appears that Jim has shifted his stance on this matter....Perhaps someone should remind him that some of us have memories, and don't forget. Also, this casts an awful big question mark over everything he says now, I mean flip flopping on such a serious issue - one that he is a 'so-called' expert on?????? What are we to believe?  

Mind you, some of us have always had a major question mark over Mr JG.
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Post by Geowoo on 19.10.14 15:10

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@Geowoo wrote:I listened to the Grisham article on tv. He suggested that any visits to child porn sites were clumsy, fumbling acts of drunk men who had pressed a few wrong buttons on their keyboard.
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Apologies for not giving a link....don't know how to...but go to YouTube and watch it there. I am not the only one who is shocked.
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Post by Joss on 19.10.14 15:22

@Geowoo wrote:
@Joss wrote:
@Geowoo wrote:I listened to the Grisham article on tv. He suggested that any visits to child porn sites were clumsy, fumbling acts of drunk men who had pressed a few wrong buttons on their keyboard.
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Apologies for not giving a link....don't know how to...but go to YouTube and watch it there. I am not the only one who is shocked.
Just read the article that a link was posted to a couple of pages back, so how sick are these people, just disgusting, IMO.
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Post by Geowoo on 19.10.14 15:27

The original intention of this thread was to bring attention to the "Trolling" measures... I have gone a bit astray and would hope we can return to the start of this topic.. My apologies.
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Post by Geowoo on 19.10.14 15:47

If this is a serious attempt to moderate online abuse then I am at a loss as to how it will be done! There are so many issues of suicides..angry theorists.. Sexual predators.. So where do you start? My take is that the most pressing concern will be those with a dissenting voice against the Government and all the sleazy files conveniently lost which might reveal their "activities"
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Post by Geowoo on 19.10.14 15:50

I want to know what "trolling" is..so vague and loose. But might get you locked up. prisoner
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Post by HelenMeg on 19.10.14 16:08

I wonder if we can find direct reference to when Gerry possible denied handing over dossier or having anything to do with it. Someone evidently wishes to make it clear that he / they did.
Was it an interview or report - i'm trying to find it but having no success.
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Post by HelenMeg on 19.10.14 16:09

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/02/abuse-dossier-kate-gerry-mccann-police-madeleine

Guardian reports :

A dossier of online abuse directed at the parents of Madeleine McCann is being examined by police.
Members of the public have handed to Scotland Yard a file stretching to more than 80 pages of tweets, Facebook posts and forum messages aimed at Kate and Gerry McCann, according to Sky News.


http://news.sky.com/story/1346687/gerry-mccann-says-make-example-of-web-trolls
Gerry McCann said online abuse had caused "severe distress" to him and his wife Kate and that police should be more willing to prosecute the perpetrators.
He was speaking after Sky's Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt revealed in a special report that Scotland Yard is investigating a dossier of social media abuse targeting the McCanns - whose three-year-old daughter went missing on a family holiday in 2007.
When confronted over her actions, one of the trolls, who used the name "Sweepyface" online, told Sky News she believed she was "entitled" to attack the couple on Twitter.
Mr McCann said he had not read the Sweepyface tweets, but he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Clearly something needs to be done about the abuse on the internet. I think we probably need more people to be charged.

Mr McCann also branded the Sunday Times "disgraceful" after winning a £55,000 libel payout over a story which claimed the couple had deliberately hindered the search for Madeleine, who vanished in Praia da Luz.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Sky news + Sunday Times - major game playing going on.  Gerry says he did not read the Sweepyface tweets yet he, says Hogan-Howe and ST, was responsible (with his family ) for handing over dossier to OG - as usual - some lies are being told, it would seem, IMO. Confusion.

1. Guardian report incorrect as it says members of the public handed over dossier. Who fed it that line?
2. The Bernard Hogan Howe states it was family that gave dossier to SY.
3. Now ST is reinforcing that family handed it over - in fact they make it very clear - almost as if they wrote the piece in order to make it clear!

Now think back that Martin Brunt did a special Sky report to investigate the dossier - so who is in cahoots with whom? Team Mc Cann + Martin Brunt (Sky) . Then it backfires with the awful tragedy of teh death of Brenda. The Sunday Times makes it clear that the family handed over the dossier. So does that seem like an about turn by someone?
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Post by Geowoo on 19.10.14 16:19

@HelenMeg wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/02/abuse-dossier-kate-gerry-mccann-police-madeleine

Guardian reports :

A dossier of online abuse directed at the parents of Madeleine McCann is being examined by police.
Members of the public have handed to Scotland Yard a file stretching to more than 80 pages of tweets, Facebook posts and forum messages aimed at Kate and Gerry McCann, according to Sky News.

This dossier has been attributed to the McCanns at least twice...even if by mistake or a careless comment. This collection of online posts suggests to me that our cards are marked. Mr McCannn was warming up to this just before the tragic death of Brenda Leyland. I do wonder if these abusive posts will include those who simultaneously threaten death yet pray fervently for the tragic parents.
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Post by Guest on 19.10.14 16:23

@HelenMeg wrote:I wonder if we can find direct reference to when Gerry possible denied handing over dossier or having anything to do with it. Someone evidently wishes to make it clear that he / they did.
Was it an interview or report - i'm trying to find it but having no success.

Humphrys: Let me just talk to you, briefly, if I may, about something else; this
business of the woman who was trolling' - to use that expression, on
Twitter. Some pretty vile abuse against you. What do you think should happen to
people like her, who do that sort of thing?

McCann: Well the first thing to say is I think some of the internet trolling is
fuelled partly by the newspaper reporting. And if that was more responsible I'm
sure we would have less of the former. Clearly something needs to be done about
the abuse on the internet and I'm glad to see that there have been a number of
people who have either been taken action by the police. I think we probably need
more people charged. we should

Humphrys: Should this woman be charged? The woman who's been ..

McCann: I haven't read her tweets, John. And I think that is an issue that our
behaviour is modified by this. We do not have any significant presence on social
media online. And I've got grave concerns about our children, as they grow up
and start to access the internet in an unsupervised capacity.

Humphrys: In this particular case this woman was, as I say, pretty vile about
you and your wife and I mean it's er ..

McCann: Well there have been other instances where, you know, people are
threatening to kidnap our children, people are threatening violence against Kate
and myself. And of course, it's not just us. It's many other people who happen
to find themselves in rather tragic circumstances

Humphrys: So do you think the police should be more willing to prosecute? Or
should that be ..

McCann: Yes, and I'm glad to see that the law around this area has been
reviewed, but I do think we need to make examples of people who are causing
damage.

Humphrys: This particular woman, well you say you haven't read what she's
written yet, but do you think perhaps ..

McCann: And I'm not going to.

Humphrys: You're not going to?

McCann: No, because it is upsetting. It causes us severe distress. There is so
much vile nonsense written on the internet.
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t10453-transcript-of-last-friday-s-radio-4-today-john-humphrys-gerry-mccann-interview
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Post by HelenMeg on 19.10.14 16:25

What is an abusive post / tweet? 

I dont tweet or post abusively. I discuss the case of the disappearance of Madeleine. I dont wish harm for anyone, not Team Mc Cann or anyone . I feel sorry for all involved. Sorry that people havent told the truth from the beginning. If they had this would have been finished and dealt with 7 years ago.
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Post by HelenMeg on 19.10.14 16:29

WMD wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:I wonder if we can find direct reference to when Gerry possible denied handing over dossier or having anything to do with it. Someone evidently wishes to make it clear that he / they did.
Was it an interview or report - i'm trying to find it but having no success.

Humphrys: Let me just talk to you, briefly, if I may, about something else; this
business of the woman who was trolling' - to use that expression, on
Twitter. Some pretty vile abuse against you. What do you think should happen to
people like her, who do that sort of thing?

McCann: Well the first thing to say is I think some of the internet trolling is
fuelled partly by the newspaper reporting. And if that was more responsible I'm
sure we would have less of the former. Clearly something needs to be done about
the abuse on the internet and I'm glad to see that there have been a number of
people who have either been taken action by the police. I think we probably need
more people charged. we should

Humphrys: Should this woman be charged? The woman who's been ..

McCann: I haven't read her tweets, John. And I think that is an issue that our
behaviour is modified by this. We do not have any significant presence on social
media online. And I've got grave concerns about our children, as they grow up
and start to access the internet in an unsupervised capacity.

Humphrys: In this particular case this woman was, as I say, pretty vile about
you and your wife and I mean it's er ..

McCann: Well there have been other instances where, you know, people are
threatening to kidnap our children, people are threatening violence against Kate
and myself. And of course, it's not just us. It's many other people who happen
to find themselves in rather tragic circumstances

Humphrys: So do you think the police should be more willing to prosecute? Or
should that be ..

McCann: Yes, and I'm glad to see that the law around this area has been
reviewed, but I do think we need to make examples of people who are causing
damage.

Humphrys: This particular woman, well you say you haven't read what she's
written yet, but do you think perhaps ..

McCann: And I'm not going to.

Humphrys: You're not going to?

McCann: No, because it is upsetting. It causes us severe distress. There is so
much vile nonsense written on the internet.
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t10453-transcript-of-last-friday-s-radio-4-today-john-humphrys-gerry-mccann-interview

Thanks for posting this. So the family passed an 80 page dossier to SY - but from what Gerry says, they didn't read it - just handed it over according to Bernard Hogan -Howe and Sunday Times.
Someone must be lying surely, IMO, either Gerry did read the tweets of Brenda and they were included in the 80 -page dossier which he handed to SY - or he did not hand it over and didnt read the tweets either.
Who is confusing the truth with a fairy tale? Most odd titter
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Post by Geowoo on 19.10.14 16:43

The McCanns have a media monitoring unit...admitted at a hearing in Portugal. It doesn't stretch my thinking to surmise that posts (anti-McCann) were harvested, collated and eventual dossiered. . To what end? Will they pursue everyone who doesn't buy their ""thesis".
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Post by Joss on 19.10.14 16:59

This article in the ST mentions the McC's handed the Dossier to police:

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Tech/article1473136.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_10_18
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Post by Joss on 19.10.14 17:20

@Geowoo wrote:The McCanns have a media monitoring unit...admitted at a hearing in Portugal. It doesn't stretch my thinking to surmise that posts (anti-McCann) were harvested, collated and eventual dossiered. . To what end? Will they pursue everyone who doesn't buy their ""thesis".

Yeah, it's very irrational thinking really. Why the heck would they care about what people say about them after placing themselves in the spotlight? Why doesn't someone send the McC's the results of polls as to how many people think they are Guilty in their child's disappearance, that says it all really. I think it's somewhere close to 90%. They are not viewed by the public as exonerated in the court of public opinion, and whether they like that or not, it is what it is, and they can't force people to feel differently.
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Post by Geowoo on 19.10.14 17:23

This:

Last month McCann and her husband Gerry handed police an 80-page dossier containing hundreds of tweets, Facebook messages and posts from online forums abusing them and accusing them of being involved in the disappearance of their daughter.

This not about trolling..this is to quell the ever rising voices who just don't believe this spoon fed crap!


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Post by Joss on 19.10.14 17:43

@Geowoo wrote:This:

Last month McCann and her husband Gerry handed police an 80-page dossier containing hundreds of tweets, Facebook messages and posts from online forums abusing them and accusing them of being involved in the disappearance of their daughter.

This not about trolling..this is to quell the ever rising voices who just don't believe this spoon fed crap!


Exactly, and they don't like it one bit.
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Post by lufc50337 on 19.10.14 17:51

I have never understood their obsession with what people are writing on social media.  Surely if your daughter had been abducted finding her would be your obsession.  As to people poring over the files I would be delighted because even if they were of the opinion that I had done something I would know I had nothing to hide and would think they could uncover the truth.  It would be like having an army of free helpers.
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Post by SixMillionQuid on 19.10.14 17:55

The period in which prosecutions can be brought against people for using the internet, social media or mobile phones to send menacing messages will be increased from six months to three years.

“The sending of abusive messages or material online can cause absolute misery for victims and we need to make sure that people who commit these awful crimes are properly punished,” Grayling said.


So there will people sitting around gathering evidence for years, not saying a word to anyone, then running to the police like some spoiled brat complaining that someone hurt their feelings online?  

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Post by Joss on 19.10.14 17:57

sally66 wrote:I have never understood their obsession with what people are writing on social media.  Surely if your daughter had been abducted finding her would be your obsession.  As to people poring over the files I would be delighted because even if they were of the opinion that I had done something I would know I had nothing to hide and would think they could uncover the truth.  It would be like having an army of free helpers.

I agree, but i think there is more of an underlying agenda to all of this case than a missing child, IMO.

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Post by Geowoo on 19.10.14 17:59

Just so everyone knows... I fit the profile of Brenda... And would have you know that just like Brenda I am not nutty, strange, dispossessed, isolated or eccentric. I have a deep misgiving about the tale being told about Madeleine. I am not alone. I am very concerned that there are people sued, or even dying for the sake of truth.
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Post by Joss on 19.10.14 18:01

@SixMillionQuid wrote:The period in which prosecutions can be brought against people for using the internet, social media or mobile phones to send menacing messages will be increased from six months to three years.

“The sending of abusive messages or material online can cause absolute misery for victims and we need to make sure that people who commit these awful crimes are properly punished,” Grayling said.


So there will people sitting around gathering evidence for years, not saying a word to anyone, then running to the police like some spoiled brat complaining that someone hurt their feelings online?  

That is what i posted earlier, who is going to monitor all of the thousands of online messages ??
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Post by Joss on 19.10.14 18:05

They will also need to be more specific in what they are proposing to prosecute people on. What about the laws for cyber crimes that already exist? How is this going to be any different to those laws?
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