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Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Smokeandmirrors on 16.10.14 18:53

@PeterMac wrote:So the age range for "Suspects" and "persons of interest" is now 16 - 72
They may be
Alive or Dead
White, Swarthy, or Black
Men or Women
(Thanks Edgar for making that clear !)
Have long or short hair (thanks Jane Tanner for making that clear )
Live in Portugal, Angola, Morocco, Devon, (remember him !) New Zealand, Australia, Belgium, Holland, The Vatican, The White House, various TV studies (depending where we are going to 'search' next)
Be a paedo***, or running a paedo*** ring, or a random burglar who forgot his script, or a couple with no children, or a raggle-taggle gypsy, or some cleaners, or a Charity collector . . .

I was taught that the idea was to "narrow the field' of suspects ! !

And £10,000,000 down the drain in the process, at a time where "cutbacks" are resulting in people not receiving certain medications thus hastening their death or preventing their cure, because there "ain't enough dosh in the pot". It sickens me to my core.

This total nonsense is making me lose heart in the case TBH, as I now sincerely believe that someone VERY high up is being protected with LINKS to this case. I don't mean culpable, but tied into what many of us suspect. In which case, the truth may never be made public, we can see how many interesting and damning pieces of information which warrant VERY serious investigation appear to be ignored, while ever increasingly stupid things are being put out in the media regarding fictional suspects.

Also, the Brenda Leyland situation has highlighted to those that care to look, that the most venomous bile has come from the McCann supporters, and so the media has dropped it like a hot potato. Add into the mix that her cause of death has not been made public and the picture becomes ever more murky.

The only thing this "case" has achieved so far is to demonstrate what a corrupt and disgusting mob currently pull the strings of power in our society. It's a two fingered salute, quite frankly, to those who have enough wits about them to see this sham for what it is.

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by BlueBag on 16.10.14 19:06

@PeterMac wrote:So the age range for "Suspects" and "persons of interest" is now 16 - 72
They may be
Alive or Dead
White, Swarthy, or Black
Men or Women
(Thanks Edgar for making that clear !)
Have long or short hair (thanks Jane Tanner for making that clear )
Live in Portugal, Angola, Morocco, Devon, (remember him !) New Zealand, Australia, Belgium, Holland, The Vatican, The White House, various TV studies (depending where we are going to 'search' next)
Be a paedo***, or running a paedo*** ring, or a random burglar who forgot his script, or a couple with no children, or a raggle-taggle gypsy, or some cleaners, or a Charity collector . . .

I was taught that the idea was to "narrow the field' of suspects ! !
Brilliant.

Any media person with a conscience should take this and run with it.

Or even Private Eye (who seem rather quiet).
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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Dont Make Me Laff on 16.10.14 19:37

@BlueBag wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:So the age range for "Suspects" and "persons of interest" is now 16 - 72
They may be
Alive or Dead
White, Swarthy, or Black
Men or Women
(Thanks Edgar for making that clear !)
Have long or short hair (thanks Jane Tanner for making that clear )
Live in Portugal, Angola, Morocco, Devon, (remember him !) New Zealand, Australia, Belgium, Holland, The Vatican, The White House, various TV studies (depending where we are going to 'search' next)
Be a paedo***, or running a paedo*** ring, or a random burglar who forgot his script, or a couple with no children, or a raggle-taggle gypsy, or some cleaners, or a Charity collector . . .

I was taught that the idea was to "narrow the field' of suspects ! !
Live in Portugal, Angola, Morocco, Devon, (remember him !) New Zealand, Australia, Belgium, Holland, The Vatican, The White House, various TV studies (depending where we are going to 'search' next)
Be a paedo***, or running a paedo*** ring, or a random burglar who forgot his script, or a couple with no children, or a raggle-taggle gypsy, or some cleaners, or a Charity collector . . .
May I ask one question that Just may differentiate all of the above? does the perp have ginger hair?



that just might narrow it down

My hairis albino blond do I QUALIFY?





Any media person with a conscience should take this and run with it.

Or even Private Eye (who seem rather quiet).
Alive or Dead
White, Swarthy, or Black
Men or Women

White, Swarthy, or Black
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Have long or short hair
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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Guest on 16.10.14 20:08

@BlueBag wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:So the age range for "Suspects" and "persons of interest" is now 16 - 72
They may be
Alive or Dead
White, Swarthy, or Black
Men or Women
(Thanks Edgar for making that clear !)
Have long or short hair (thanks Jane Tanner for making that clear )
Live in Portugal, Angola, Morocco, Devon, (remember him !) New Zealand, Australia, Belgium, Holland, The Vatican, The White House, various TV studies (depending where we are going to 'search' next)
Be a paedo***, or running a paedo*** ring, or a random burglar who forgot his script, or a couple with no children, or a raggle-taggle gypsy, or some cleaners, or a Charity collector . . .

I was taught that the idea was to "narrow the field' of suspects ! !
Brilliant.

Any media person with a conscience should take this and run with it.

Or even Private Eye (who seem rather quiet).

Not that quiet, BlueBag, as PE has a snippet in the current edition on Best magazine's reporting of BL's tweets - "IS THIS BRITAIN'S SICKEST WOMAN?"

ETA: According to PE, the original coverline was: "McCANN TROLL: MAY SHE ROT IN HELL!"
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Post by PeterMac on 16.10.14 20:58

Two of these seem to have got through

On the Run British Paedophile . . . !
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To: corey.charlton@dailymail.co.uk, c.charlton@dailymail.co.uk, [ both were rejected by MailerDemon !] corrections@mailonline.co.uk, editorial@dailymailonline.co.uk
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In this article you give the clear impression that he might have been in the Algarve at the relevant time.

I am sure ONE of your journalists has realised that this is totally false.
In the CEOP annual report of 2009-1010  
http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/CEOP_AnnualReview_09-10.pdf
at page 29 he is used as a case history, and this makes it clear that he was in New Zealand from 2001 - 2009

I trust you will be issuing a correction, (unless Clarence Mitchell instructs you to carry on with this ludicrous story !)

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by NickE on 16.10.14 21:08

@PeterMac wrote:Two of these seem to have got through

On the Run British Paedophile . . . !
Peter Mac    16:18  Photos
To: corey.charlton@dailymail.co.uk, c.charlton@dailymail.co.uk, [ both were rejected by MailerDemon !] corrections@mailonline.co.uk, editorial@dailymailonline.co.uk
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793541/on-run-british-paedophile-portugal-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-quizzed-detectives-arrested-malta.html

In this article you give the clear impression that he might have been in the Algarve at the relevant time.

I am sure ONE of your journalists has realised that this is totally false.
In the CEOP annual report of 2009-1010  
http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/CEOP_AnnualReview_09-10.pdf
at page 29 he is used as a case history, and this makes it clear that he was in New Zealand from 2001 - 2009

I trust you will be issuing a correction, (unless Clarence Mitchell instructs you to carry on with this ludicrous story !)

Yours sincerely
Peter Mac
retired Police Superintendent
**** 1972 - 2000

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by sallypelt on 16.10.14 21:43

Are the McCann's in Portugal? According to this video, they are:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/25267662/sydney-link-to-mccann-mystery/?cmp=ytwit

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by phil_burton on 16.10.14 22:55

Interesting if they are.

I'd like to ask a question.

If, if, if... Gerry and Kate ever got a call to go back to be questioned... Do people ever wonder whether this news would actually see the light of day?

With Carter Ruck helping them, and the MSM just printing whatever Clarrie tells them to, it is plausible that this could be hushed up...do you not think?

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Naz_Nomad on 16.10.14 23:14

If they are trying to fit up a convicted paedophile or whoever they might eventually pin it on, what happens at a trial?

Would the McCanns and their Tapas friends be brought in as witnesses?  thinking

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by phil_burton on 16.10.14 23:25

@Naz_Nomad wrote:If they are trying to fit up a convicted paedophile or whoever they might eventually pin it on, what happens at a trial?

Would the McCanns and their Tapas friends be brought in as witnesses?  thinking

This is why the whole thing is a farce - it would never get near a court because there's not a shred of evidence against anyone else but the parents and the Tapas 7.

Merely knowing someone was in the vicinity, or a sighting of them in the vicinity (which may be incorrect) is not enough to charge someone, let alone have it stand up in court.

Newspapers are 90% PR, they are paid to print stories about all sorts of companies, it's no different for this case. Everything you read in the MSM about this case has been placed there by interested parties.

What's really going on is anyone's guess. The early years were all about generating more cash for the fund, however, public opinion is on the turn now, there's only so long you can sell a lie before people stop caring, so stories appearing nowadays are purely reputation management, ensuring the finger is firmly pointing away from the Mccanns.

IMO every reputation management story of a new "suspect" is an indicator of when something else is happening, something that needs burying beneath another story.

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Post by maebee on 16.10.14 23:58

This is why the whole thing is a farce - it would never get near a court because there's not a shred of evidence against anyone else but the parents and the Tapas 7.

Merely knowing someone was in the vicinity, or a sighting of them in the vicinity (which may be incorrect) is not enough to charge someone, let alone have it stand up in court.

Newspapers are 90% PR, they are paid to print stories about all sorts of companies, it's no different for this case. Everything you read in the MSM about this case has been placed there by interested parties.

What's really going on is anyone's guess. The early years were all about generating more cash for the fund, however, public opinion is on the turn now, there's only so long you can sell a lie before people stop caring, so stories appearing nowadays are purely reputation management, ensuring the finger is firmly pointing away from the Mccanns.

IMO every reputation management story of a new "suspect" is an indicator of when something else is happening, something that needs burying beneath another story.


Well said phil_burton

IMO every reputation management story of a new "suspect" is an indicator of when something else is happening, something that needs burying beneath another story

We've had about 50+ "suspects" over the past seven and a half years. These (all very dodgy) suspects have always conveniently appeared when, as you say,something else is happening. Always at crucial times in the case. Is Snr. Amaral due in court sometime soon?

If SY are playing a clever game, someone should tell them that they are over-egging the pudding.
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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by jeanmonroe on 17.10.14 0:13

@Naz_Nomad wrote:If they are trying to fit up a convicted paedophile or whoever they might eventually pin it on, what happens at a trial?

Would the McCanns and their Tapas friends be brought in as witnesses?  thinking

"Witnesses" to WHAT, exactly?

thinking


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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Geowoo on 17.10.14 0:49

You can pile any amount of money into a case loaded against a character... For example .. The McCanns. But if the weight of circumstance...evidence..dogs..rogatories files..and senior Portuguese detectives say otherwise then you have a very serious case against you... Not guilty but not innocent either.

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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by jeanmonroe on 17.10.14 0:58

@Geowoo wrote:You can pile any amount of money into a case loaded against a character... For example .. The McCanns. But if the weight of circumstance...evidence..dogs..rogatories files..and senior Portuguese detectives say otherwise then you have a very serious case against you... Not guilty but not innocent either.

And NOT only senior Portuguese Police officers was it?

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In his statement to the Court, the Assistant Chief Constable of Leicestershire Police wrote: “While one or both of them (McCanns) may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance”. Dr Kate: “We were completely staggered. No evidence to eliminate us?…that line stuck in our heads as ‘guilty until proven innocent’.” Dr McCann said they made ‘a tactical retreat’ to ‘accept a smaller amount of information’: “Having to withdraw was quite galling........"

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Post by BlueBag on 17.10.14 6:58

Dr Kate: “We were completely staggered. No evidence to eliminate us?…that line stuck in our heads as ‘guilty until proven innocent’.” 

Incredible.

I think she needs to look at the word "suspect" in the dictionary.

Wasn't Murat a suspect she wanted to kill at some point?
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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by plebgate on 17.10.14 9:52

@BlueBag wrote:
Dr Kate: “We were completely staggered. No evidence to eliminate us?…that line stuck in our heads as ‘guilty until proven innocent’.” 

Incredible.

I think she needs to look at the word "suspect" in the dictionary.

Wasn't Murat a suspect she wanted to kill at some point?
Have they ever produced any evidence which would eliminate them to the police?

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Post by ultimaThule on 17.10.14 9:56

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:For goodness sake, this 'arrest' is trending on Facebook.
Surely by far the most immediate question here is what has he been arrested for? 

The purpose of a European Arrest Warrant (EAW) is to bring back to the requesting country (in this case the UK) from an other E.U. country where someone is living (in this case Malta) a person where there is prima facie evidence that that person has committed a serious offence (more minor crimes are not covered by the EAW procedure).

An EAW can only be granted if a magistrate/judge in the country where the person is living (Malta in this case) is satisfied that the paperwork makes out a sufficient case that a person has committed a serious offence, either committed in England, or over which English law extends abroad (e.g. murder of a British subject abroad).

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On a point of information, it is not the case that only those persons who have, or are suspected of having, committed serious offences are subject to EAWs.

In addition, irrespective of the nationality of the victim(s), in cases of murder and manslaughter "English law extends abroad" only where there is reason to suspect that these offences have been committed by UK nationals.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 17.10.14 10:01

@ultimaThule wrote:
On a point of information, it is not the case that only those persons who have, or are suspected of having, committed serious offences are subject to EAWs.
ultimaThule is wrong, the EAW IS for more serious offences, see this extract from Wikiepdia:

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The European Arrest Warrant (EAW) is an arrest warrant valid throughout all member states of the European Union (EU). Once issued, it requires another member state to arrest and transfer a criminal suspect or sentenced person to the issuing state so that the person can be put on trial or complete a detention period.

An EAW can only be issued for the purposes of conducting a criminal prosecution (not merely an investigation), or enforcing a custodial sentence.[1] It can only be issued for offences carrying a maximum penalty of 12 months or more in prison.

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Post by PeterMac on 17.10.14 10:11

[quote="BlueBag"]
[size=16]Dr Kate: . . .
Wasn't Murat a suspect she wanted to kill at some point?

Has she ever withdrawn that threat, or does she still wish to kill him ?
Have they ever apologised ?

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Another link, showing that Gamble KNOWS that the story is a load of c***

Post by PeterMac on 17.10.14 10:17

GAMBLE.

Why don't you go public and tell the Press that Mitchell has LIED to them.

http://www.wired-gov.net/wg/wg-news-1.nsf/0/5AF84D43FDB535178025773C004495B2?OpenDocument
Caugnt on the run! Two suspected child sex offenders tracked, arrested and now facing justice
Two suspected child sexual offenders - wanted in Canada and Australia respectively after going on the run - have been tracked down by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre and extradited by Australian and Canadian authorities in the last few days to face trials overseas.
In two unrelated cases, investigators from CEOP – the UK’s national centre for child protection – worked with international law enforcement agencies to track down:

John Cox, 34, a Canadian national, who had fled trial in Canada, to Ashford in Kent, and
Roderick Robinson, 72, a British man wanted for alleged child sexual offences in Australia who was tracked to Portugal
Both men will now face prosecution - Cox in Canada and Robinson in Australia.
Jim Gamble, Chief Executive of CEOP, said: “These individuals thought that they could cover their tracks and avoid law enforcement, but they underestimated the determination of CEOP and – in Cox’s case – Kent Police – to capture them. Both men represented a potential threat to children and we are pleased that they are back where they should be – facing justice.”

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Roderick Robinson arrived in Australia on Sunday 6 June following his extradition from Portugal. He had been on the run since 2001 for alleged sexual offences against a child in Australia.

Roderick Robinson was arrested first in 2001 in Australia for the alleged assault of a young girl and was bailed pending court hearings. He failed to appear to answer the charges in 2001. Fleeing Australia, he entered New Zealand where he was arrested for child sex offences allegedly committed there. He was granted bail with the requirement he surrender his passport. In November 2009 using a stolen passport, Robinson left New Zealand bound for the UK.

Piecing together intelligence on his transient movements in the UK, CEOP investigators worked with local police and UK Borders Agency and located him in Portugal. The Overseas Tracker Team disseminated intelligence on Robinson to Portugal, via Interpol, to advise them of the threat he posed to children in their country. In response to Australia’s request for Robinson’s urgent provisional arrest, Portuguese police arrested Robinson in March 2010. His prosecution is now before the courts in New South Wales, Australia.
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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by ultimaThule on 17.10.14 12:00

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:
On a point of information, it is not the case that only those persons who have, or are suspected of having, committed serious offences are subject to EAWs.
ultimaThule is wrong, the EAW IS for more serious offences, see this extract from Wikiepdia:

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The European Arrest Warrant (EAW) is an arrest warrant valid throughout all member states of the European Union (EU). Once issued, it requires another member state to arrest and transfer a criminal suspect or sentenced person to the issuing state so that the person can be put on trial or complete a detention period.

An EAW can only be issued for the purposes of conducting a criminal prosecution (not merely an investigation), or enforcing a custodial sentence.[1] It can only be issued for offences carrying a maximum penalty of 12 months or more in prison.

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:
On a point of information, it is not the case that only those persons who have, or are suspected of having, committed serious offences are subject to EAWs.
ultimaThule is wrong, the EAW IS for more serious offences, see this extract from Wikiepdia:

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The European Arrest Warrant (EAW) is an arrest warrant valid throughout all member states of the European Union (EU). Once issued, it requires another member state to arrest and transfer a criminal suspect or sentenced person to the issuing state so that the person can be put on trial or complete a detention period.

An EAW can only be issued for the purposes of conducting a criminal prosecution (not merely an investigation), or enforcing a custodial sentence.[1] It can only be issued for offences carrying a maximum penalty of 12 months or more in prison.

It would appear that you are not au courant with current debate on the use and abuse of European Arrest Warrants, TB, and relying on Wiki as your sole source of information has served to lead you up the garden path to a place where it cannot be maintained that EAWs are only used 'for more serious offences'  unless, of course, you wish to argue that retired schoolteacher Jacek Jaskolski, who faced extradition to Poland for exceeding his overdraft despite Polish courts having confirmed that the event had taken place more than 10 years earlier and the sum in question had been repaid in full, committed a 'serious offence'? http://www.fairtrials.org/cases/jacek-jaskolski/

For those who may have formed the erroneous impression that they will not be summarily hauled before a court in respect of minor misdemeanours they have committed, or may be suspected of committing, abroad, I recommend the following reading:

http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/analysis/fast-track-extradition-the-european-arrest-warrant-is-being-routinely-misused/53749.fullarticle

http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/07/rory-broomfield-replace-the-european-arrest-warrant-with-a-system-that-benefits-britain.html  

http://www.fairtrials.org/publications/lectures-and-articles/european-arrest-warrant-needs-safeguards-against-abuse/

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/briefing-papers/SN06105/extradition-and-the-european-arrest-warrant-recent-developments

together with one of many such articles in the MSM: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227896/Top-judge-blasts-EU-arrest-warrant-forces-Britons-abroad-face-trial-unworkable.html
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Post by plebgate on 17.10.14 12:31

Being led up the garden path, is that a new saying amongst people who always seem to be arguing or abusing Tony?

Seen that a couple of times since last night.

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Post by ultimaThule on 17.10.14 14:39

My absence from this forum for the past few months may have escaped your attention, plebgate, but it cannot be said that prior to my return I was one of those who, according to your opinion, 'always' seemed to be 'arguing or abusing Tony' and in merely seeking to clarify matters of law he may be unaware of, it cannot be claimed that I am doing so now.  

With regard to the old saying of being 'lead up the garden path', I saw it used by viaveritasvita on another thead and purloined it as I consider it to be an apt description of how relying on a sole source of information can cause the enquirer to jump to erroneous conclusions about matters which may be far more complex than the manner in which they have been described.
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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by aquila on 17.10.14 14:50

@ultimaThule wrote:My absence from this forum for the past few months may have escaped your attention, plebgate, but it cannot be said that prior to my return I was one of those who, according to your opinion, 'always' seemed to be 'arguing or abusing Tony' and in merely seeking to clarify matters of law he may be unaware of, it cannot be claimed that I am doing so now.  

With regard to the old saying of being 'lead up the garden path', I saw it used by viaveritasvita on another thead and purloined it as I consider it to be an apt description of how relying on a sole source of information can cause the enquirer to jump to erroneous conclusions about matters which may be far more complex than the manner in which they have been described.
aren't you the person who threatened me with making my PM's public on the forum because I disagreed with you?

Aren't you the person who proclaimed that making my PM's public is a matter of law?

Aren't you the person on this forum who cackles and makes fun of Gerry being a Glaswegian?
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Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

Post by Naz_Nomad on 17.10.14 15:00

Just a thought I had. I recently contacted Peter James, the author http://www.peterjames.com/ and asked what Roy Grace would have thought of this case. I have yet to receive a reply. Peter James does a lot of detailed research, and spends a lot of time with police talking about cases and procedures. I bet he has two opinions. An "official" opinion, and a "personal" opinion.

Also, I would love to know what (real) serving police officers are thinking privately about this case.

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