Re: Roderick MacDonald, newest suspect in the McCann case (Daily Mail 15/10/14)

by Joss 16.10.14 13:22

And from this article:

It is understood the Met want to speak to him regarding a possible paedophile ring which could have been operating in the Algarve when Madeleine vanished from her holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, aged three, according to reports.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/convicted-paedophile-with-suspected-links-to-madeleine-mccann-extradited-back-to-uk/ar-AA6S7RF

So looks like they reckon the paedo ring aspect is still being driven into Madeline's disappearance. Hmmm.

by Joss 16.10.14 13:28

The paedo ring must of had access to the McCann's hire car too, Shocked

by stillsloppingout 16.10.14 13:31

Tony Bennett wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Rogue-a-Tory wrote:For goodness sake, this 'arrest' is trending on Facebook.
Surely by far the most immediate question here is what has he been arrested for?

The purpose of a European Arrest Warrant (EAW) is to bring back to the requesting country (in this case the UK) from an other E.U. country where someone is living (in this case Malta) a person where there is prima facie evidence that that person has committed a serious offence (more minor crimes are not covered by the EAW procedure).

An EAW can only be granted if a magistrate/judge in the country where the person is living (Malta in this case) is satisfied that the paperwork makes out a sufficient case that a person has committed a serious offence, either committed in England, or over which English law extends abroad (e.g. murder of a British subject abroad).

I cannot see anywhere in the media/press coverage to date ANY mention of the precise offence he has been arrested for. I would hazard a guess that it is for some kind of sexual offence in England for which he has not yet been charged.

No doubt the mainstream media will soon give us this rather important detail, rather than merely circulating yet another media story that appears to have been created by the powers-that-be simply to influence public perception, once again, about what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

One paper - The Mirror - said he likes to rape children that look like Madeleine.

I think that was their opinion.

Disgraceful reporting.
Quite so.

And when you look at this story, it can only have come via a combination of Operation Grange and the McCann Team.

To understand this fully, we might for example ask these questions:

1) Who told the Daily Mail about this story?

2) Were the Daily Mail, the Press Association or any other U.K. or even any other foreign press agency present in the Maltese court when the magistrate granted the UK's application for a European Arrest Warrant?

3) Why are we not told for what spceific arrestable offence MacDonald (formerly Robinson) was arrested?

4) Exactly who has made the suggestion that this case is linked to a suspected paedophile gang that may have abducted Madeleine McCann? (to answer my own question, either DCI Andy Redwood or his bosses)

5) Who has supplied the 'information' that he was 'reportedly' in the Algarve in 2007? (to answer my own question again, DCI Andy Redwood or his bosses).

Public perception
Public perception
Public perception

All the above spot on . IMO it appears every day more likely ,by also including Kate's immediate [ and unusual !! ] claim that Maddie was snatched by pedophiles , and SY's insistence that a Pedophile gang is responsible for this case , that it is indeed a pedophile gang they are protecting .

What was once a crude defence mechanism in case of a body being discovered , is now being used to hide the wood from the trees .

by pauloptix 16.10.14 13:33

Tony Bennett wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Rogue-a-Tory wrote:For goodness sake, this 'arrest' is trending on Facebook.
Surely by far the most immediate question here is what has he been arrested for?

The purpose of a European Arrest Warrant (EAW) is to bring back to the requesting country (in this case the UK) from an other E.U. country where someone is living (in this case Malta) a person where there is prima facie evidence that that person has committed a serious offence (more minor crimes are not covered by the EAW procedure).

An EAW can only be granted if a magistrate/judge in the country where the person is living (Malta in this case) is satisfied that the paperwork makes out a sufficient case that a person has committed a serious offence, either committed in England, or over which English law extends abroad (e.g. murder of a British subject abroad).

I cannot see anywhere in the media/press coverage to date ANY mention of the precise offence he has been arrested for. I would hazard a guess that it is for some kind of sexual offence in England for which he has not yet been charged.

No doubt the mainstream media will soon give us this rather important detail, rather than merely circulating yet another media story that appears to have been created by the powers-that-be simply to influence public perception, once again, about what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

One paper - The Mirror - said he likes to rape children that look like Madeleine.

I think that was their opinion.

Disgraceful reporting.
Quite so.

And when you look at this story, it can only have come via a combination of Operation Grange and the McCann Team.

To understand this fully, we might for example ask these questions:

1) Who told the Daily Mail about this story?

2) Were the Daily Mail, the Press Association or any other U.K. or even any other foreign press agency present in the Maltese court when the magistrate granted the UK's application for a European Arrest Warrant?

3) Why are we not told for what spceific arrestable offence MacDonald (formerly Robinson) was arrested?

4) Exactly who has made the suggestion that this case is linked to a suspected paedophile gang that may have abducted Madeleine McCann? (to answer my own question, either DCI Andy Redwood or his bosses)

5) Who has supplied the 'information' that he was 'reportedly' in the Algarve in 2007? (to answer my own question again, DCI Andy Redwood or his bosses).

Public perception
Public perception
Public perception

Or:

Public deception
Public deception
Public deception

by sallypelt 16.10.14 13:48

According to Joana's tweet, MacDonald was a CEOP case study:

Joana Morais @xklamation
Jim care to explain your contacts in the UK media new #McCann suspect was a CEOP case study & was not in Luz in 07? Ta. @JimGamble_INEQE

by jeanmonroe 16.10.14 14:13

Have OG/MET/SY EVER stated, categorically, that Madeleine McCann's 'disappearance', IS, beyond contestation, related to paedophillia or a paedophile, specifically?

Is EVERY case of paedophilla, in the UK, or anywhere in the world, 'hot lined' to OG?

(Purely in case, it's possibly Madeleine McCann 'related')

Is EVERY case of possible child 'abduction' anywhere in the world, 'hot lined' to OG, Belgravia?

(Purely in case, it's possibly Madeleine McCann 'related')

Was the case of 'missing' Lisa Irwin, 'reported' ONLY by her parents, ever thoroughly investigated, in Kansas City, Missouri, by officers from OG?

The same 'person/s' might have been responsible for Madeleine's 'disappearance' which was also ONLY 'reported' by her parents, mighten he/she/they?

Did OG officers 'interview' Ian Watkins about his paedophiliac child sex offences against very young, white British children?

If not, why not?

"It is understood the Met want to speak to him regarding a possible paedophile ring"

I wonder why the Met were NOT so 'quick' to 'investigate' possible, er no, ACTUAL paedophile 'rings' (potentially Madeleine McCann 'related') operating in the UK, these past 10 YEARS.

Industrial scale paedophilia child abuse in places like Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford, Derby, Nottingham etc., and on their own 'doorstep'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-29029364

The arrested men are aged between 28 and 45.

Five are of Pakistani origin, one is of Indian origin, one man is black Caribbean and another is of Afghan origin. The ethnicity of the last two men is not yet known.

(actually, the above paragraph, tells me WHY they possibly weren't too 'keen' on 'investigating'. Wouldn't want to be 'called' instutionalised racists, would they?)

That's so, so, much 'worse' than children getting abused, isn't it? (being called 'names'!)

ARE OG going to STATE publicly that Madeleine McCanns 'disappearance' IS, 'related' solely, and only, to paedophilia?

by joyce1938 16.10.14 14:25

I have read sometime today that this chap was being spolken of as he was up for a 13 years old child Problem ? so needs to come back ? wish I could recall where I read it .has anyone else seen it ? could have been Joanna letters today ?

by NickE 16.10.14 14:36

Robinson WAS in Australia and N.Z from 2001-2009 he was arrested in Portugal 2010
Case study from CEOP page 29.
http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/CEOP_AnnualReview_09-10.pdf

Case closed.

by Guest 16.10.14 14:40

NickE wrote:Robinson WAS in Australia and N.Z from 2001-2009 he was arrested in Portugal 2010
Case study from CEOP page 29.
http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/CEOP_AnnualReview_09-10.pdf

Case closed.

Indeed.

Who is orchestrating this nonsense?

by Joss 16.10.14 14:42

And then of course there is this witness statement:

[color:2f12=000000]I was seated between Dave and Gerry who I believe were both speaking about Madeleine. I don't remember the conversation in its entirety, but it seemed they were discussing a possible scenario. I remember Dave telling Gerry something like "she", referring to Madeleine, "would do this".

When he mentioned "this", Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it inside and outside his mouth, while with the other hand he made a circle around his nipple, in a circulatory movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner and carried an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was saying and doing.

[color:2f12=000000][color:2f12=000000]http://www.mccannfiles.com/id236.html

by Bishop Brennan 16.10.14 14:42

BlueBag wrote:
"The former oil worker was reportedly living in the Algarve when Madeleine disappeared from the McCanns' holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007, shortly before her fourth birthday."

What does that even mean?

Reported by who?

Do these journalists have a brain (and a phone)?

This case is extraordinary. For this non-story to be jumped on simultaneously by several rags and given such prominence and inappropriate linkage to Madeleine is incredible. It really demonstrates how wide-reaching and effective is this whitewash. Nothing will stand in its way - not even the recent death. They have come too far now. It's just a question of who takes the fall and how they make it stick.

Does it signal that SY have given up finding a patsy in Portugal? Or is this just an insurance play in case they can't pin it on one of the arguidos?

by NickE 16.10.14 14:44

BlueBag wrote:
NickE wrote:Robinson WAS in Australia and N.Z from 2001-2009 he was arrested in Portugal 2010
Case study from CEOP page 29.
http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/CEOP_AnnualReview_09-10.pdf

Case closed.
Indeed.

Who is orchestrating this nonsense?

Absolutely unbelievable, how can these people be allowed to call themselves journalists?
Shame.

by Guest 16.10.14 14:46

This just proves what a desperate situation ordinary people are in who depend on the media for the truth.

They won't find it there.

by Doug D 16.10.14 14:47

‘A 76-year-old British national, who was living in Gozo, will be extradited to the UK where he will serve time for the sexual assault of a girl aged under 13.
Roderick Macdonald, who was living in an apartment at Ta Cenc, consented to be extradited this morning before Magistrate Audrey Demicoli.
He was arrested by the Malta police in the whereabouts of Sannat yesterday.’

‘A European Arrest Warrant had been issued against him on April 25, 2013, by the Lewes Crown Court in East Sussex’

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20141014/local/update-2-76-year-old-briton-to-be-extradited-possibly-linked-to-mccann-case.539720

So this was at the time when OG was still a ‘review’ then and the EAW had nothing whatever to do with OG.

He must have just pinged-up as one of the 600 or so (can't remember how many Redwood said) sexual offenders that needed looking at.

by Joss 16.10.14 14:48

And this:

English Ignored Complaint for Paedophilia Against One of the McCanns Friends

Payne suspected of paedophilia

Twelve days after Maddie disappeared, a couple revealed the strange behaviour of one of the group’s members. Testimonies only reached the Judiciária in January this year

David Payne, one of the McCanns’ friends that were on holidays in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected of paedophile behaviors.

The accusations were brought by a couple of friends that spent their holidays with part of the group in the summer of 2005 – themselves also English doctors. Twelve days after the British girl disappeared, Katherina and Arul could no longer keep the secret that had bothered them for two years and went to the police to make a statement. They revealed two conversations between Dave and Gerry, during which both revealed suspicious behaviors and indicated sex with minors.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/07/english-ignored-complaint-for.html

by joyce1938 16.10.14 14:54

Thanks doug that was the article I had seen ,I thought I could explain it better than I did ,good to read how it is from you joyce1938

by nglfi 16.10.14 15:06

I do wonder if back in 2007 when Madeleine 'disappeared', the McCanns intended her to become a poster girl for paedophile abuse victims everywhere. Every time I see a story about child sex abuse or an offender who has apparently been apprehended, in the UK or anywhere in the EU, poor little Maddie's picture is always somewhere on the page. It is incredibly bizarre when the only known link we have to paedophilia in this case, IMO is the Gasper statements and page 129 of the bewk which displays IMO a quite shocking attitude towards one's own child.

by jeanmonroe 16.10.14 15:21

http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/CEOP_AnnualReview_09-10.pdf

And with 'our' fav CEO, JG, in CHARGE! Right THERE at THAT exact time!

JIM GAMBLE, EX-CEO of CEOP = AVID, (some say completely 'obssesive' but i couldn't possibly comment on that!) PRO MCCANN 'SUPPORTER'

CINDY MARTIN, (AUTHOR OF LIFE THREATENING 'TWEETS' to BL BEFORE HER 'DEMISE') = AVID PRO MCCANN 'SUPPORTER'

Spot the er 'common' denominator.

The S&S book, MB and you so heavily 'invested' in, Big Jim, with your publicity for it, was a complete FAIL.

Perhaps you'd could co-author a 'book' about Madeleine's case, with Cindy Martin, your fellow PRO MCCANN 'SUPPORTER'!

Bit late for this Crimbo's best book 'sellers' though,!

by Joss 16.10.14 15:31

nglfi wrote:I do wonder if back in 2007 when Madeleine 'disappeared', the McCanns intended her to become a poster girl for paedophile abuse victims everywhere. Every time I see a story about child sex abuse or an offender who has apparently been apprehended, in the UK or anywhere in the EU, poor little Maddie's picture is always somewhere on the page. It is incredibly bizarre when the only known link we have to paedophilia in this case, IMO is the Gasper statements and page 129 of the bewk which displays IMO a quite shocking attitude towards one's own child.

I think this whole case is all about the McC's clearing their name of any involvement in Madeline's disappearance.
Poor Madeline. sad

by **PeterMac** 16.10.14 17:06

BlueBag wrote:
NickE wrote:Robinson WAS in Australia and N.Z from 2001-2009 he was arrested in Portugal 2010
Case study from CEOP page 29.
http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/CEOP_AnnualReview_09-10.pdf
Case closed.
Indeed.
Who is orchestrating this nonsense?

Is Gamble coming out and Denying it ? And if not, why not.
Here is page 29. It is quite clear, the second time you read it !
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by **PeterMac** 16.10.14 17:27

So the age range for "Suspects" and "persons of interest" is now 16 - 72
They may be
Alive or Dead
White, Swarthy, or Black
Men or Women (Thanks Edgar for making that clear !)
Have long or short hair (thanks Jane Tanner for making that clear )
Live in Portugal, Angola, Morocco, Devon, (remember him !) New Zealand, Australia, Belgium, Holland, The Vatican, The White House, various TV studies (depending where we are going to 'search' next)
Be a paedo***, or running a paedo*** ring, or a random burglar who forgot his script, or a couple with no children, or a raggle-taggle gypsy, or some cleaners, or a Charity collector . . .

I was taught that the idea was to "narrow the field' of suspects ! !

by Silverspeed 16.10.14 18:12

PeterMac wrote:So the age range for "Suspects" and "persons of interest" is now 16 - 72
They may be
Alive or Dead
White, Swarthy, or Black
Men or Women (Thanks Edgar for making that clear !)
Have long or short hair (thanks Jane Tanner for making that clear )
Live in Portugal, Angola, Morocco, Devon, (remember him !) New Zealand, Australia, Belgium, Holland, The Vatican, The White House, various TV studies (depending where we are going to 'search' next)
Be a paedo***, or running a paedo*** ring, or a random burglar who forgot his script, or a couple with no children, or a raggle-taggle gypsy, or some cleaners, or a Charity collector . . .

I was taught that the idea was to "narrow the field' of suspects ! !

Could be just about anyone then really, except of course the two most likely people.

by Dont Make Me Laff 16.10.14 18:27

IMO
If a certain person started divorce proceedings the case would be wrapped up
but
that person has too much to lose

eta
prefers the big house/job/income and everything that goes with it

Sofa hopping is encouraged
Physically SEARCHING is put on others
Taking payment for posters to distribute of a child younger than she was when she disappeared is just a money making scheme
and SICKENING

by margaret 16.10.14 18:33

PeterMac wrote:So the age range for "Suspects" and "persons of interest" is now 16 - 72
They may be
Alive or Dead
White, Swarthy, or Black
Men or Women (Thanks Edgar for making that clear !)
Have long or short hair (thanks Jane Tanner for making that clear )
Live in Portugal, Angola, Morocco, Devon, (remember him !) New Zealand, Australia, Belgium, Holland, The Vatican, The White House, various TV studies (depending where we are going to 'search' next)
Be a paedo***, or running a paedo*** ring, or a random burglar who forgot his script, or a couple with no children, or a raggle-taggle gypsy, or some cleaners, or a Charity collector . . .

I was taught that the idea was to "narrow the field' of suspects ! !