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Post by bobbin on 10.11.14 10:07

Marian wrote:http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/bm/05.jpg

I think that this is the photo you mean, Juliet. Do you have a link to it being confirmed as not genuine?

It certainly would throw doubt on other photos if one was proved to be a fake.

I just can't see what would be the point of doctoring (pun fully intended) a photo which has no relevance to Madeleine's disappearance.
Jeez, cover the blonde's eyes up and it looks like 'pumpkin's' mouth and how long is Gerry's left jacket sleeve ?
As for the length of the shoulder, little boy in big man's suit perhaps. So where does he keep his right shoulder when a young child is jammed up against his jacket right lapel ?
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Post by worriedmum on 10.11.14 10:08

Marian wrote:http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/bm/05.jpg

I think that this is the photo you mean, Juliet. Do you have a link to it being confirmed as not genuine?

It certainly would throw doubt on other photos if one was proved to be a fake.

I just can't see what would be the point of doctoring (pun fully intended) a photo which has no relevance to Madeleine's disappearance.
Surely a photoshopper would have tidied up Gerry's belt ?
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Post by ultimaThule on 10.11.14 10:12

Marian wrote:http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/bm/05.jpg

I think that this is the photo you mean, Juliet. Do you have a link to it being confirmed as not genuine?

It certainly would throw doubt on other photos if one was proved to be a fake.

I just can't see what would be the point of doctoring (pun fully intended) a photo which has no relevance to Madeleine's disappearance.

Omg!  That is a seriously scary shiny suit which is remarkably similar to those the Krays wore...affraid
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Post by juliet on 10.11.14 10:16

Her hair is odd...either very fuzzy or very strange shadows. This pic has been discussed before and the pixel ( or whatever) anomalies clearly shown. It was probably on this forum. Will go looking.
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Post by ultimaThule on 10.11.14 11:00

I knew I'd seen the lamp before - it's sat beside Philomena in one of the group of photos on this thread https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t10515p240-let-s-not-forget-brenda#289546

Could Kate be holding Uncle John's wee ginger haired laddie while on a trip to her future in-laws c1998/99?

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Post by Guest on 10.11.14 11:08

There are various other photos with Madeleine as a baby looking as she does in this photo; perhaps the McCanns were visiting Philomena though?

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MADELEINE_PHOTOS.htm
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Post by juliet on 10.11.14 11:44

Great spotting ultimathule! The same lamp and living room.It does seem to be Kate from years ago with a more contemporary Gerry pasted in. The pix Marian linked to show a black and white pic quite far down on the right that cd be same occasion.
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Post by j.rob on 10.11.14 14:06

@juliet wrote:What I have noticed (apart from GM's ginormously fat left arm below the elbow!) is the usual lack of interaction between him and the children. He is slumped, hand on hip presumably, not touching or looking at these toddlers. Any normal man would have half an eye on them, lively kids on the edge of the pool, or at least have an arm or hand on a shoulder. But in in so many pics he is grimacing, mouth open, as if pasted in as an afterthought.


This is true of every single photo which includes Gerry and his daughters. I have been unable to find a single one where there is an 'normal' interaction between father and daughter/s. This, combined with the creepy 'family' scenes from the 'Madeleine was Here' documentaries, and his skulking demeanor while sitting next to his children of the airport bus, leads me to conclude that there is/was not any 'normal' fatherly relationship between Gerry and either of his daughters.

It's quite sad, really.  

But probably consistent with the personality disorders traits that I do believe Gerry possesses. And Kate too, up to a point.
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Post by BlueBag on 10.11.14 14:27

@sarliv wrote:Bluebag with this post you have given yourself away as being Tony Bennett.
Game over.

And you have given yourself away as not very bright.

Admin has my real e-mail address and knows my ip address.

I am not Tony Bennet although I wish I could sing like him.
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Post by plebgate on 10.11.14 16:34

It's getting more like I am Spartacus every day.   It even seems as though some are questioning whether Jill still owns the site or whether it has transferred to Tony.  

I don't know why they don't go and play elsewhere and stay there.
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Post by BlueBag on 10.11.14 16:53

We're all Tony Bennett in some philosophies.

And Tony Bennett is all of us.

We are stardust.

We are golden.

(Tony would never write a post like this)

(Or would he?)
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Post by ultimaThule on 10.11.14 17:07

Marian wrote:There are various other photos with Madeleine as a baby looking as she does in this photo; perhaps the McCanns were visiting Philomena though?

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MADELEINE_PHOTOS.htm

There are also various other photos which are allegedly of Madeleine as a baby where she doesn't look a bit like the clearly ginger haired infant Kate is holding, Marian, and the same applies to photos which purport to show her at varying stages of her development from toddler to almost four years old.
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Post by Guest on 10.11.14 17:19

@ultimaThule wrote:
Marian wrote:There are various other photos with Madeleine as a baby looking as she does in this photo; perhaps the McCanns were visiting Philomena though?

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MADELEINE_PHOTOS.htm

There are also various other photos which are allegedly of Madeleine as a baby where she doesn't look a bit like the clearly ginger haired infant Kate is holding, Marian, and the same applies to photos which purport to show her at varying stages of her development from toddler to almost four years old.  

On another thread several months ago I commented on baby M's red hair and was corrected that it was normal for hair colour to change in young children.  However, I do not believe a child's hair colour changes so markedly.
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Post by Guest on 10.11.14 17:23

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/9dec7/SUN_19_12_07_FAMILY.JPG

There's definitely a red hair trait (as well as red eye unfortunately!) in the family.

Amelie started off with red hair but was very blonde in 2007.

P.S. Just remembered that there was a topic (not recent) where some people thought - from an ambiguous quote of Eileen McCann's - that Madeleine spent Christmas 2005 alone with her, while the rest of the family stayed at home.

This photo proves otherwise.
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Post by j.rob on 10.11.14 19:01

Marian wrote:http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/bm/05.jpg

I think that this is the photo you mean, Juliet. Do you have a link to it being confirmed as not genuine?

It certainly would throw doubt on other photos if one was proved to be a fake.

I just can't see what would be the point of doctoring (pun fully intended) a photo which has no relevance to Madeleine's disappearance.

I think this looks like a composite too. I think the idea is to create an illusion of a happy family. When they weren't one. It could be that Kate had bad post natal depression, for instance. Or that Madeleine was fostered out for some time. Or the couple were estranged at some stage. There could be all sorts of reasons why a happy family life was eluding them.

Having young children is a huge strain on a marriage and having tried for 5 long years (I think I read somewhere) it could well be that the reality of having children did not match the fantasy. 

In any event, I think they are both narcissistic. 

GM does not strike me as a family man. Marriage may not have been much to his liking either. (Very odd that there are no formal photos from their wedding, imo)
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Post by juliet on 10.11.14 19:15

I read that Kate spent months of her second pregnancy in bed. I don't know what happened to Madeleine then. This came from a woman friend in Amsterdam iirc.
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Post by j.rob on 10.11.14 22:32

@juliet wrote:I read that Kate spent months of her second pregnancy in bed. I don't know what happened to Madeleine then. This came from a woman friend in Amsterdam iirc.
Yes. Kate describes in her book how she had terrible morning sickness and then at 24 weeks there was a scare and she was pretty much on bed rest after that. So family life would not exactly have been a picnic. And, as you say, who was looking after Madeleine then? Kate describes how her dad came over to help, then her mum, then Gerry's mum and 'a relay of friends and relatives who came out from the UK'. 

Then, after the twins were born, Kate describes how difficult it was feeding the twins when Madeleine wanted attention. However, it would appear that Madeleine went to a day care nursery after the twins were born.

Then Kate started work again part-time when the twins were one.

But there is so little in her book about the realities of how challenging all this must have been.

Instead, we get: "We were living the family life we'd always wanted and it was everything we'd dreamed it would be."

I just don't believe a word that either she or Gerry says I am afraid.
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Post by Pete WDHCo on 30.11.14 2:18

I Havent been through every post but. You do realise you do not need all that flaffing to make a recorded dated pic ?

Let me try and explain .

Ok so you have a picture like the Dodgy , give me a alibi one.

1. You can just set your camera date and time to what you want, have the picture up on screen of a good sharp Monitor and take a snapshot, to all and intense the date stamp of the camera is as you wanted.
2. For sharper clarity, you could also, set your PC time date clock to whats required allowing a minute or 2 for getting the pic up on screen etc,  use a screen capture and snapshot, the results will be the same.  reset your PC time clock and the date stamp will show the wanted date, so that picture for all intent and purpose isnt worth a light in Court.
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Post by canada12 on 30.11.14 8:39

@Pete WDHCo wrote:I Havent been through every post but. You do realise you do not need all that flaffing to make a recorded dated pic ?

Let me try and explain .

Ok so you have a picture like the Dodgy , give me a alibi one.

1. You can just set your camera date and time to what you want, have the picture up on screen of a good sharp Monitor and take a snapshot, to all and intense the date stamp of the camera is as you wanted.
2. For sharper clarity, you could also, set your PC time date clock to whats required allowing a minute or 2 for getting the pic up on screen etc,  use a screen capture and snapshot, the results will be the same.  reset your PC time clock and the date stamp will show the wanted date, so that picture for all intent and purpose isnt worth a light in Court.

Exactly. I think a lot of us have been arguing this all along - that you can take a picture of a picture, and it becomes irrelevant in terms of proving anything, least of all the actual time and date details that show up on the photo.
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Post by plebgate on 24.06.15 23:09

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/statement-analysis-mccann-interview-2011.html

I do not recall having seen this transciption of the 2011 interview.  

Near the start of the transcript it says:

"Gerry McCann: There’s a photo of her that afternoon that was taken at 2:29 (laughs) I think, we’ve got it recorded on the digital camera and er she was just sitting by the pool er with myself and we’ve both got our feet just paddling and she’s so happy."




I certainly do not recall ever reading that before.  If the transcript is correct was this picure ever released?
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Post by PeterMac on 24.06.15 23:30

@plebgate wrote:http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/statement-analysis-mccann-interview-2011.html
I do not recall having seen this transciption of the 2011 interview.  
Near the start of the transcript it says:

"Gerry McCann: There’s a photo of her that afternoon that was taken at 2:29 (laughs) I think, we’ve got it recorded on the digital camera and er she was just sitting by the pool er with myself and we’ve both got our feet just paddling and she’s so happy."

I certainly do not recall ever reading that before.  If the transcript is correct was this picure ever released?

Many thanks for that.
It is clearly a reference to the infamous Last photo. I had never realised that Gerry emphasised the 14:29 (which just happens to be exactly Solar Zenith on that date - Another one of those strange McCoincidences.
Any normal person would say :"Lunchtime" But we are not dealing with normal people
Previously had thought that Mitchell had organised the entire thing, but now there are TWO people involved - -  and we have evidence that Gerry knew . . .
It becomes a conspiracy

Grange and the PJ have been aware for a long time, so don't bother them again, unless you really wish to, of course.

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Post by plebgate on 24.06.15 23:41

No mention of Maddie's sister in this photo though, so were there two photos taken I wonder?
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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 25.06.15 0:18

Leaving aside the last photo itself and there is so much else that is dodgy.

Was the Canon camera even the McCanns? Apart from what looks like a Canon A620 in the GNR picture of 5a there is no other proof AFAIK. Looking at the pics in the files and I would say it was more likely the Paynes camera.

Why did GM and MW hand in a CD of pictures instead of the camera and the memory cards themselves. A badly worded request of the PJ?
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Post by tigger on 25.06.15 5:21

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:Leaving aside the last photo itself and there is so much else that is dodgy.

Was the Canon camera even the McCanns? Apart from what looks like a Canon A620 in the GNR picture of 5a there is no other proof AFAIK. Looking at the pics in the files and I would say it was more likely the Paynes camera.

Why did GM and MW hand in a CD of pictures instead of the camera and the memory cards themselves. A badly worded request of the PJ?
The Canon A620 (which allegedly also took the famous ‘last photograph) does not appear to have been in the hands of the PJ at all.  Alex Woolfall and KM spent time going through the photographs. He also said it  had ‘a lot’ of photographs on it. This is attested by Woolfall (Timeonline 6-10-07)so  sometime between 5/5/07 and 8/5/07 as the tennis photo was allegedly on that camera. The tennis photo was sent around the world by 9/5/07.


From the book “madeleine” by Kate McCann.  p. 123
"Later that day, Thursday 10 May, the Portuguese police held a press conference, [...] Meanwhile, Gerry and I, along with a couple of our friends, were called back to the police station in Portimão. [...] I made use of the long wait I anticipated by sitting down with a notebook, pen and my camera, containing dated photographs of the holiday, and trying to write a detailed account of everything that had happened the week before.”

4/5th May  PJ look at the crime scene photos and decide to obtain the Canon.
The PJ also ask for holiday photos from all the Tapas group.
5th - 8th Alex Woolfall  and Kate  download photographs from the camera onto a laptop.The tennis photo must allegedly have been sent to the UK on this occasion. However, the PJ find no tennis photo that matches - but a tennis photo of a child with a racket is apparently recorded - presumably on the DVDs delivered on the 9th. 
9th Gerry and M. Wright deliver two DVDs of holiday photos. (there can be seen only in black/white in the files)
The photographs in the files do have quite a number which are probably from the Payne's camera. 
What if the intention had been to take a good number of 'family holiday' photos? But if something went wrong very early on and Maddie was not available for holiday snaps it explains the very few we have. Leaving aside the last photo which imo could have been taken any time as the McCs never relinguished the camera. 
Interesting that Kate writes that she'd been unable to take photographs after that date which is allegedly when the pool photo was taken. So it - or elements of it - definitely could not have been taken later but imo that is not so. 
Together with Gerry's precise time of 14.29 and Kate's inability to use the camera after that time the picture is neatly frozen at a very specific time and place. 
We won't even go into the many and pointless changes of clothes Maddie allegedly went through that day. 

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Post by tigger on 25.06.15 5:21

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:Leaving aside the last photo itself and there is so much else that is dodgy.

Was the Canon camera even the McCanns? Apart from what looks like a Canon A620 in the GNR picture of 5a there is no other proof AFAIK. Looking at the pics in the files and I would say it was more likely the Paynes camera.

Why did GM and MW hand in a CD of pictures instead of the camera and the memory cards themselves. A badly worded request of the PJ?
The Canon A620 (which allegedly also took the famous ‘last photograph) does not appear to have been in the hands of the PJ at all.  Alex Woolfall and KM spent time going through the photographs. He also said it  had ‘a lot’ of photographs on it. This is attested by Woolfall (Timeonline 6-10-07)so  sometime between 5/5/07 and 8/5/07 as the tennis photo was allegedly on that camera. The tennis photo was sent around the world by 9/5/07.


From the book “madeleine” by Kate McCann.  p. 123
"Later that day, Thursday 10 May, the Portuguese police held a press conference, [...] Meanwhile, Gerry and I, along with a couple of our friends, were called back to the police station in Portimão. [...] I made use of the long wait I anticipated by sitting down with a notebook, pen and my camera, containing dated photographs of the holiday, and trying to write a detailed account of everything that had happened the week before.”

4/5th May  PJ look at the crime scene photos and decide to obtain the Canon.
The PJ also ask for holiday photos from all the Tapas group.
5th - 8th Alex Woolfall  and Kate  download photographs from the camera onto a laptop.The tennis photo must allegedly have been sent to the UK on this occasion. However, the PJ find no tennis photo that matches - but a tennis photo of a child with a racket is apparently recorded - presumably on the DVDs delivered on the 9th. 
9th Gerry and M. Wright deliver two DVDs of holiday photos. (there can be seen only in black/white in the files)
The photographs in the files do have quite a number which are probably from the Payne's camera. 
What if the intention had been to take a good number of 'family holiday' photos? But if something went wrong very early on and Maddie was not available for holiday snaps it explains the very few we have. Leaving aside the last photo which imo could have been taken any time as the McCs never relinguished the camera. 
Interesting that Kate writes that she'd been unable to take photographs after that date which is allegedly when the pool photo was taken. So it - or elements of it - definitely could not have been taken later but imo that is not so. 
Together with Gerry's precise time of 14.29 and Kate's inability to use the camera after that time the picture is neatly frozen at a very specific time and place. 
We won't even go into the many and pointless changes of clothes Maddie allegedly went through that day. 

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