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Post by Guest on 12.09.14 10:32

Just realised that Summers would have been the neck end of sixty when his daughter, whose curiosity apparently led to this literary blunder, was conceived. So obviously plenty of lead in his pencil, if you'll pardon the expression.

I had always thought the name Madeleine to be more popular than it actually is - just a few hundred UK registrations a year, it turns out, although there was a bit of a spike around the turn of the millennium. So the overtaking of the entire news agenda by the Madeleine McCann disappearance should have caught Abbott and Costello's attention at the time - especially as the child shared her name with one that they had given their own daughter. I wonder how long they've really had an interest in this case for?
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Post by Nina on 12.09.14 11:06

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Don't see how Madeline Mcann's parents can release a book and make money off the fact they left their 3 children alone to go party. I'm sorry but what a pair of absolute twats.
 
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This facebook thread has gone bonkers for some reason. Seems like the book has at last stirred up a real hornets nest, presumably not in the supportive/whitewash manner the Mc’s would have hoped for.

I pointed that out but Pamela Gurney informed me/us that this number is so small compared with the billions in the world. So it is this number against the rest of the world eek

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Post by PeterMac on 12.09.14 11:15

The use of the word "Haters" is very revealing.
It tells us first that the authors decided the entire issue from even before they started any research they may have done.
It goes on to tell us that their support for and belief in the McCanns is absolute and unconditional.  There are many more neutral words available - dissenters - cynics - doubters - skeptics
but they use the emotionally loaded word HATERS.

I suppose on this basis Simon Wiesenthal, KBE was a NAZI-HATER
Social workers are Poverty and Child neglect HATERS
Police officers are Criminal HATERS
Fire officers are Arsonist HATERS
Ambulance crews are Accident HATERS
and not to forget
Dr Gerry McCann himself is by this definition a Heart Disease HATER
and Dr Kate McCann was once a General disease-and-ill-health HATER

I am unconvinced this this adds to the richness of the English language, nor that it assists in a full understanding of what happened to Madeleine Beth McCann.

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Never forget that what at first sight appears to be sloppy use of language, may in fact be very precise use of language indicating sloppy thinking.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 12.09.14 11:37

I hope that GM was 'informed' at his meeting with S&S that they would be dissing GM's 'SHE' 'burglator' (who MAY strike again), as he proclaimed in Lisbon, Portugal, recently, as a non starter!

So the nets closing in on the HE, HIM, MALE 'burglator' as S&S 'say'

So 50% of the world's 'population' dismissed/eliminated as 'burglator suspects' with one swift stroke of an S&S pen!

Which MEANS, WooHooooo, I'M 'in the clear' as a potential OG 'suspect'!

Imo, this 'book' WAS meant to have 'co-incided' with the last days of the libel case, brought by the McCanns.

8th-10th Sept, was 'mooted' i believe.

How were they to know it would be postponed?

BUGGER!

Still, we still have the BMPEF (British Metropolitan Police Expeditionary Force) of 'elite' Maddie Cops, on 'standby' to deploy to Portugal, at a moments notice, a few days BEFORE a date is 'confirmed' for the McCanns libel 'last hurrah', to er, um, question the 4 NEW 'suspects' don't we?

Who, incidentally, have not 'burglatored' a single, only UK white female young child, asleep, in her bed, at the Ocean Club, PDL, Portugal, during the last SEVEN YEARS FOUR MONTHS!

Anyone know how many 'copies' of this POSSIBLE 'definitive' account, of a child's 'disappearance' have been nicked er 'sold' to date?
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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.09.14 12:51

COMMENTS ON ‘A NOTE ON SOURCES’

Pages 311-315 of ‘Looking for Madeleine are a separate appendix titled: SA Note on Sources”. It’s quite illuminating, here are some notes on it:

It’s the “result of more than two years’ work”.

They say “Our contact with Madeleine McCann’s parents…and the leadership of Operation Grange was limited”.

They then add that “We met only once with the McCanns early on”, but they do not say that they met with the leadership of Scotland Yard only once, clearly suggesting the possibility that they met with Scotland Yard more than once (I feel another Freedom of Information Act question coming on) .

When did they meet?

What did they discuss?

And why should Scotland Yard be talking to any author?

They admit (pp. 311-2) that they interviewed very few people.

They claim to have read ‘the voluminous Portuguese police dossier’, with “a chronological reading of the files”.
Dr Kate McCann’s book is described as ‘obviously essential reading’, together with Gerry McCann’s blogs and Kate McCann’s ‘daily journal’.

Dr Goncalo Amaral’s book was ‘consulted’, but was only “useful as an insight into the way the Policia Judiciara investigation developed during his tenure”.

They created a huge timeline (p. 313).

Their ‘principal sources’ of information are listed, in the following order:
BBC News
SKYNews
BBC Crimewatch
Panorama’s ‘The Mystery of Madeleine McCann’ (Nov 2007)
Panorama’s ‘The last hope’ (2012)
ITV’s ‘Madeleine: One Year On’ (2008)
‘Channel 4/Mentorn Media’s documentary (the ‘Mockumentary’), ‘Madeleine was here’  (May 2009)
Daily Telegraph
Guardian

“An excellent early piece by David James Smith in the Sunday Times Magazine” [NOTE FROM TB: This was the article that claimed that at 4.30pm Gerry McCann was unable to continue playing tennis because of an Achilles tendon injury - yet he was apparently able to carry on playing ‘social tennis’ for a whole hour later - and soon after Madeleine was reported missing, he was able to go on long jogs with his wife, giving report-backs on his blog about how long it took to reach the obelisk at the top of the cliff]     

‘The tabloids’, Sun, Mirror, Express  [NOTE by TB: No mention of the Daily Mail]

Portuguese newspapers and TV programmes (several titles quoted), including English language newspapers in Portugal

‘Vanished’ by Danny Collins.


A list of those who declined to be interviewed because the case was ongoing is given (p. 314):

Chief Inspector Olegario de Sousa
Martin Grime
Mark Harrison
John Lowe of the former Forensic Science Service
Melissa Little, ‘forensic artist’
Angela Morado, former Pro-Consul for the Algarve and, last but not least,
Dr Goncalo Amaral.

“Of those who gave interviews or corresponded we thank especially Jim Gamble…who wrote the Scoping Report that paved the way for the current Scotland Yard probe”

Ernie Allen, President and CEO of ICMEC (Missing Children)
Dr Patricia de Sousa Cipriano, President of the Portuguese Association for Missing Children
The website of Missing Children Europe
The website of P.A.C.T.
The book ‘Child Pornography’ by Tim Tate
The book ‘Children’s Sexual Encounters with Adults’ by West & Woodhouse  

They had a ‘lengthy interview’ with Fernando Pinto Monteiro, the Portuguese Attorney-General during the initial investigation

Brian Kennedy ‘talked freely with us’

A list of people whom they either interviewed or corresponded with is given. In order, the following are listed:

Carlos Anjos, President of the Portuguese equivalent of the Bar Council, the barristers’ association
Pat Brown, criminal profiler
Marcos Aragao Correia
‘The very helpful Praia da Luz resident John Ballinger who also provided photographs'
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Lt. Col. Bruno Fehr, Chief of the Kriminalpolizei, St. Gallen, Switzerland
Christine Hamlett, a ‘medium’
Peter Holenstein, a journalist
Margit Holzer
Professor Wolfram Meier-Augenstein
Bren Ryan
Salisu Suleiman (Nigerian psychic)
George Thomson
Elisenda Villena, ‘former Metodo 3 Barcelona chief’.
 
On cadaver and blood dogs they were ‘greatly helped by’:

Marcia Koenig & Andy Rebman of ‘K9 Speciality Search Associates’
Robert Noziska, K9 Co-ordinator of the U.S. Border Patrol
Documents in the case of State of Wisconsin v. Eugene J. Zapata.

As to the possibility that a possible abductor might have drugged Madeleine, and perhaps her siblings, they consulted

Dr Shan Yin, Medical Director of Cincinnati Drug % Poison Information Center
Prof Robert Flanagan, Consultant Clinical Scientist of the Toxicology Unity. King’s College Hospital, London
Dr Steven Karch, Assistant Medical Examiner in San Francisco
Two consultant anaesthetists, Dr Alan Feerick and Dr Pachaimuthu Gnanamorthy ,and
Pharmacist Tom Feerick.

On the use of chloroform, they corresponded with

Linda Stratmann, author of Chloroform: The Quest of Oblivion

The following books were ‘invaluable’:

‘The Criminal Use of Chloroform by J.P. Payne’ and

‘An Unusual Case of Drug-Facilitated Sexual Assault Using Aromatic Solvents by Maria Martinez and Salome Ballesteros’.



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Post by Markus 2 on 12.09.14 12:59

"The Smith family's description of ther man now fingered as having been a possible abductor, the Sunday Telegraph's Colin Freeman thought, 'could arguably apply to a large section of the male population in Praia da Luz that night, and indeed much of the rest of Europe'. The e-fit of the man the Smiths saw, Freeman wrote, 'looked like a Wanted poster for Mr Ordinary'.

Rubbish . Mr ordinary wearing the same clothes as Gerry, even identified as Gerry at one point by the Smiths.

Why did Mr Ordinary not come forward, the big question who is he and why dismiss this  very  crucial lead?  The

Insignificance that Summers and Swan place on this in comparison with other suspects  is questionable imo.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.09.14 13:15

@Markus 2 wrote:"The Smith family's description of ther man now fingered as having been a possible abductor, the Sunday Telegraph's Colin Freeman thought, 'could arguably apply to a large section of the male population in Praia da Luz that night, and indeed much of the rest of Europe'. The e-fit of the man the Smiths saw, Freeman wrote, 'looked like a Wanted poster for Mr Ordinary'.

Rubbish. Mr Ordinary wearing the same clothes as Gerry, even identified as Gerry at one point by the Smiths.

Why did Mr Ordinary not come forward, the big question who is he and why dismiss this very crucial lead? 

The insignificance that Summers and Swan place on this in comparison with other suspects  is questionable imo.
@ Markus 2   >>>   I am afraid you have misunderstood this quote.

The above quote is NOT by Summers & Swan but by one Colin Freeman of the Sunday Telegraph.

Mr Freeman was (rightly IMO) pointing out that these e-fits 'could be anybody'. And I tend to agree with him. Both look like 'Mr Ordinary'.

But Summers & Swan don't think the Smithman sighting was unimportant. On the contrary, they agree completely with DCI Redwood that Smithman (whoever he is) is 'the focus of Operation Grange'.  

I think you need to clarify what you mean by 'Mr Ordinary' wearing the same clothes as Gerry:

* 'Mr Ordinary' simply refers to the e-fits

* if you say 'wearing the same clothes as Gerry', do you - or does anyone - know what clothes Gerry was wearing on the night of 3 May?


As for 'identified as Gerry at one point by the Smiths', I suspect you will agree with me that this 'identification' of Gerry McCann is so suspect that it is of absolutely no evidential use whatsoever.

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Post by BlueBag on 12.09.14 13:15

@Tony Bennett wrote:They say “Our contact with Madeleine McCann’s parents…and the leadership of Operation Grange was limited”.

They are very careful about wording who they met.

What about the Media Monitoring Unit?
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Post by BlueBag on 12.09.14 13:16

Is Clarence listed in the index?
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Post by Markus 2 on 12.09.14 13:23

But Summers & Swan don't think the Smithman sighting was unimportant. On the contrary, they agree completely with DCI Redwood that Smithman (whoever he is) is 'the focus of Operation Grange'. 


So I think that is good but jmo
I know your views on Smith man and I can see your point. This is a  suspect that needs to be sorted . We have to remember Malinka was questioned again ,so who knows ,as regards the trousers with the buttons only the rest of the Tapas group would know if G was  wearing those type of trousers on the night?


The above quote is NOT by Summers & Swan but by one Colin Freeman of the Sunday Telegraph.


Mr Freeman was (rightly IMO) pointing out that these e-fits 'could be anybody'. And I tend to agree with him. Both look like 'Mr Ordinary'.

AFRAID I DONT AGREE WITH THAT.UNLESS YOU VIEW THE SITUATION AS YO DO I.E COLLUSION  OF OTHERS. IF SO  THE SMITHS TESTAMENT NEEDS TO BE A PRIORITY IN THIS INVESTIGATION AND IT IS NOT AS FAR AS I CAN SEE.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.09.14 13:32

@BlueBag wrote:Is Clarence listed in the index?
There are 7 individual page references to him, no double-page references. I'll look at them later.

There are, however, shoals of references to (a) Jim Gamble and (b) CEOP. Taken together with the apparently excessive interest by Summers and Swan in consulting experts in child sexual abuse, I am wondering why this excessive interest in child sexual abuse by them when there is nothing to indicate that a paedophile abducted her, let alone the issue of whether she was abducted at all.

It reminded me rather of that other self-professed expert on child sexual abuse and sex offenders, the late Ray Wyre, who rushed into print in the Daily Telegraph on 10 May 2007 (less than a week after Madeleine was reported misisng) with a big article stating as a virtual fact that Madeleine had been snatched by a paedophile - and then pontificating about what paedophiles normally do.

The late Ray Wyre has been regarded by many as a pervert. His long-time female assistant corresponded for years with Britain's most notorious serial murderers and child-killers. The McCanns had a day in the company of him and his wife in 2008, where Kate explained how she tucked into a tasty home-cooked banoffee pie. How nice.

I must say I was not in the least surprised to see Ray Wyre's name alongside that of Sir Cliff Richard in a list of guests said to have stayed over at the Elm Guest House in London - currently being investigated by Operation Fernbridge.

I am working now on a review of what Summers & Swan say about Jim Gamble and CEOP - more later

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Post by Woofer on 12.09.14 13:33

@ Tony - "And why should Scotland Yard be talking to any author? "

Yes, that`s a bit naughty - setting a precedent for the police to talk to `authors` before the conclusion of a case.  In that case Tony, as you`re an author, they`ll have to do the same for you.

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Post by BlueBag on 12.09.14 13:42

@Woofer wrote:@ Tony - "And why should Scotland Yard be talking to any author? "

Yes, that`s a bit naughty - setting a precedent for the police to talk to `authors` before the conclusion of a case.  In that case Tony, as you`re an author, they`ll have to do the same for you.

Are authors more equal than members of the public?
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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.09.14 13:42

@Markus 2 wrote: ...who knows, as regards the trousers with the buttons only the rest of the Tapas group would know if G was wearing those type of trousers on the night?
The only one who says anything about buttons on the trousers is 12-yr-old Aoife Smith, and she says all this about the trousers:

- was wearing trousers which were beige in colour,

- his trousers were made of cotton

- his trousers possibly had buttons on them


She claims she saw all this...despite only having a fleeting glimpse of him in the dark:

 "...she recollects seeing the man just after reaching the top of some steps leading to the Rua 25 de Abril. She says she turned left at the top of the steps, “looked to her left and saw a man carrying a child in his arms, walking down the Rua 25 de Abril”.He was about 2 metres (6 feet) away. She says that the man “crossed to the other side of the Rua 25 de Abril and began walking on the street that leads to the primary school, in the direction of their apartment complex”. She didn’t see which way he walked after that...the street lighting there was ‘weak’.".


I remain very sceptical about the huge amount of other details she gives about a sighting for just a second or two in the dark

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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.09.14 13:44

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@Woofer wrote:@ Tony - "And why should Scotland Yard be talking to any author? "

Yes, that's a bit naughty - setting a precedent for the police to talk to 'authors' before the conclusion of a case.  In that case Tony, as you`re an author, they`ll have to do the same for you.

Are authors more equal than members of the public?
Yes if they recycle Scotland Yard's propaganda.

Otherwise, No

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Post by BlueBag on 12.09.14 13:49

@Tony Bennett wrote:
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@Woofer wrote:@ Tony - "And why should Scotland Yard be talking to any author? "

Yes, that's a bit naughty - setting a precedent for the police to talk to 'authors' before the conclusion of a case.  In that case Tony, as you`re an author, they`ll have to do the same for you.

Are authors more equal than members of the public?
Yes if they recycle Scotland Yard's propaganda.

Otherwise, No

So can Scotland Yard (or anyone) be asked what they were doing discussing this case with authors and how that was possible?
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Post by fred c dobbs on 12.09.14 14:00

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Markus 2 wrote: ...who knows, as regards the trousers with the buttons only the rest of the Tapas group would know if G was wearing those type of trousers on the night?
The only one who says anything about buttons on the trousers is 12-yr-old Aoife Smith, and she says all this about the trousers:

- was wearing trousers which were beige in colour,

- his trousers were made of cotton

- his trousers possibly had buttons on them


She claims she saw all this...despite only having a fleeting glimpse of him in the dark:

 "...she recollects seeing the man just after reaching the top of some steps leading to the Rua 25 de Abril. She says she turned left at the top of the steps, “looked to her left and saw a man carrying a child in his arms, walking down the Rua 25 de Abril”.He was about 2 metres (6 feet) away. She says that the man “crossed to the other side of the Rua 25 de Abril and began walking on the street that leads to the primary school, in the direction of their apartment complex”. She didn’t see which way he walked after that...the street lighting there was ‘weak’.".


I remain very sceptical about the huge amount of other details she gives about a sighting for just a second or two in the dark
What if she has a very good memory ? for faces and detail  not impossible is it?Are you saying Smithman is a complete fabrication of lies made up to get Murat off the hook?
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Post by jeanmonroe on 12.09.14 14:27

They (S&S) had a ‘lengthy interview’ with Fernando Pinto Monteiro, the Portuguese Attorney-General during the initial investigation.
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really, REALLY?

The very SAME former Portuguese Attorney-General Fernando Pinto Monteiro? Who SAID, of the 'good marketing PLOY, by the McCanns to advertise Madeleine's 'eye':

"It has in fact been so counterproductive"...........

Portuguese attorney general Fernando Pinto Monteiro suggested that one way or another the McCanns were responsible for their child’s death. Specifically he said "that if indeed Madeleine had been kidnapped, it was the carefully contrived publicity engineered by her parents that likely sealed her fate. With the whole world having Madeleine’s photo,” he observed, "any abductor would have been pushed to such a degree that there’s a greater probability of the little girl being dead than alive.”

And with this last devastating conclusion—namely that Madeleine will likely never reappear—Madeleine’s own father haltingly agrees.
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Fernando Pinto Monteiro who suggested that:

"one way or another, the McCanns WERE RESPONSIBLE for their child's DEATH"
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I'd loved to have been a fly on the wall during S&S's 'LENGTHY INTERVIEW' with  Fernando Pinto Monteiro!  winkwink

Anyway i 'posted' this 14 months ago:

"Portuguese attorney general Fernando Pinto Monteiro suggested that one way or another the McCanns were responsible for their child’s death."

How weird is it that the McCanns have never SUED the Portuguese Attorney General?
Surely his 'statement' would have led people to believe Madeleine was dead and would have stopped people seaching for a live Madeleine.
According to the McCanns ANYONE that dares to imply that Madeleine is dead, is hindering, hampering and harming the search for her and has to be SUED because, according to them, people will stop looking for her believing, as they have been told, she's dead.

So i fully expect Fernando Pinto Monteiro to be served with a slander writ by the G and K McCann and their THREE children Madeleine, Sean and Amelie.

To be served TODAY! July 9th 2013.

Will keep my eyes open to see if they do.

If they do not serve a writ today, then WHY not?
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SURELY if those 'super investigative super sleuths', S&S, having investigated Fernando Pinto Monteiro's 'utterances' on the McCann 'case' the 'interview' with HIM would have been rather more 'curt' than 'lengthy', imo.!  laughat

Perhaps S&S 'served' THE 'slander writ' to Fernando Pinto Monteiro, on behalf of the McCanns!  winkwink

Well, the McCanns HAVE to absolutely, SUE him, for slander, don't they?

For his outrageous suggestive 'claim' that 'the McCanns themselves were, one way or another, RESPONSIBLE for their child's (Madeleine) death'

IF THEY DO NOT SUE HIM, G AMARAL, AND MYSELF, WILL WANT TO KNOW,.......... WHY NOT!
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Post by Markus 2 on 12.09.14 14:44

@fred c dobbs wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Markus 2 wrote: ...who knows, as regards the trousers with the buttons only the rest of the Tapas group would know if G was wearing those type of trousers on the night?
The only one who says anything about buttons on the trousers is 12-yr-old Aoife Smith, and she says all this about the trousers:

- was wearing trousers which were beige in colour,

- his trousers were made of cotton

- his trousers possibly had buttons on them


She claims she saw all this...despite only having a fleeting glimpse of him in the dark:

 "...she recollects seeing the man just after reaching the top of some steps leading to the Rua 25 de Abril. She says she turned left at the top of the steps, “looked to her left and saw a man carrying a child in his arms, walking down the Rua 25 de Abril”.He was about 2 metres (6 feet) away. She says that the man “crossed to the other side of the Rua 25 de Abril and began walking on the street that leads to the primary school, in the direction of their apartment complex”. She didn’t see which way he walked after that...the street lighting there was ‘weak’.".


I remain very sceptical about the huge amount of other details she gives about a sighting for just a second or two in the dark
What if she has a very good memory ? for faces and detail  not impossible is it?Are you saying Smithman is a complete fabrication of lies made up to get Murat off the hook?
I can see that as possibility if  Murat and the Smiths are close and also get Malinka off the Hook.

But imo it would  then let the Mcanns off completely, I dont see like Tony, that the Mcanns  would be involved as well. We can only speculate  without full  facts
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Post by jeanmonroe on 12.09.14 14:47

NO 'Smithman' CHAT on THIS thread!

Please, pretty PLEASE?
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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.09.14 15:01

CEOP AND JIM GAMBLE IN ‘LOOKING FOR MADELEINE’

One or the other is mentioned on these pages:

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49
112-3
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So, on 19 pages of the book.

p. 48:  “A profusion of British police and government agencies were to become involved. At an early meeting in London [NOTE: No details of when, exactly where and who attended], however, it was agreed that the force from Leicestershire, where the McCanns lived, would take the lead. A ‘Gold’ group, comprising staff from Leicestershire, CEOP, SOCA and the National Policing Improvement Agency, was formed to co-ordinate the role...”

Observation: I am sure that other agencies, notably the Home and Foreign Offices, would also have been represented at this meeting.

p. 29 Summers and Swan quote Jim Gamble on the Portuguese investigation: “All the information coming in [to the PJ] ended up in boxes piled up on a table. In the UK you have the computerised HOLMES - the Home Office Large Enquiry System – collating everything. We couldn’t be sure whether the material that was being sent through from the UK was being accurately collated in Portugal, properly analysed and actioned”.

pp. 112-3 deal with the request by CEOP’s Jim Gamble for people to send all their holiday photographs to him. The book claims that “Responding to a request from Lisbon, the UK’s Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre had early on made an internet appeal for any information that could help find Madeleine”.

Observation: Why don’t the authors say: ‘A request from the PJ’?  Instead, they say, ‘A request from Lisbon’. Well, the British Ambassador is based in Lisbon. Maybe the request came from him?

The authors explain that photographs sent in by holidaymakers “were compared with those of known British paedophiles and other criminals, using modern facial recognition techniques. None led to any dramatic breakthrough…”

A paragraph deals with ‘British ex-pat paedophiles’ living in the Algarve. Gamble says: “We put together a list of sex offenders who were in the general area of the Algarve, and it was passed to the Portuguese…” (p. 112)

British telecommunications specialists arrived to analyse mobile telephone activity in the Algarve… The authors say (p. 113) that mobile ‘phone signal traffic ‘was used to convict Ian Huntley’.

Then ex-Scotland Yard man John O’Connor is given a page to air his views. He supported the abduction scenario.

On p. 119 the authors say that CEOP used its facial recognition techniques to analyse a photo taken by Clara Torres of a Moroccan child, Bushra Bishina, who was being carried on the back of a Moroccan peasant lady, papoose-style [NOTE: Her photograph was widely published in the British press on 25 September 2007, with the headlines: ‘Is this Madeleine?’

p. 151 covers the CEOP Manuals found in the villa in which the McCanns were staying. Summers & Swan comment: “There was in fact nothing remotely strange about Gerry’s possession of this material - he had ben in close touch with both the National Center and CEOP in the course of his quest for research information on missing children”.

On pp. 232-3 Summers & Swan reproduce the full text of the 60-second CEOP-made video ‘A Minute for Madeleine’, which Jim Gamble directed. Indeed, Summers & Swan admit that “The online viral message was from Britain’s CEOP”.  

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A CONFERENCE WITH JIM GAMBLE (pp. 234-5)

“As the months passed, with no significant development, Gerry and kate had conferresd with CEOP chief Jim Gamble. ‘I had a meeting with then as to how it was best to go forward’, Gamble recalled. ‘They had a number of ideas. And I said: ‘It would be best if your wrote to me in my role as ACPO [Association of Chief Police Officers] lead for child protection and Head of CEOP, asking what could be done’. They did send me a letter and I copied it to the Home Office.

The next paragraph explains the reluctance to do anything by Home Office civil servants: ‘potentially insurmountable problems – like diplomacy with the Portuguese, and cost issues'.  

Summers and Swan quote Gamble again: “But [Alan] Johnson is perhaps the most humane of all the politicians I’ve engaged with. He called me in for a meeting, and said: ‘I understand the issues. But I’ve met the parents. What can we do for them?’ His officials tried to dampen his enthusiasm. But he [Johnson] just cut them off and said: “I want to do something. Can we have a review?”

Gamble then suggested a ‘scoping exercise’ to ‘determine whether there had been ‘lost opportunities’’ Johnson agreed – and of course put Jim Gamble in charge of carrying out this scoping exercise (p. 235).

This chapter (Chapter 18) ends (p. 235) with these words from Summers and Swan: “Then, months later, shortly before the review [i.e. scoping exercise] was delivered, Gerry and Kate lost patience - very publicly”.

Chapter 19 then opens with details of the McCanns’ very public attempts to ‘bounce’ the new Home Secretary, Theresa May, into granting the review of the case which they had long fought for.  She took office after the General Election in May 2010.

On page 238, Summers & Swan explain:

“The Portuguese police, Gamble remembered reporting, had appeared ‘incompetent, haphazard’ at the very start, during what police call ‘the golden hours’, the minutes and hours immediately after it was realised that Madeleine was missing. ‘The golden hours aren’t called that for nothing’, Gamble said n 2014. ‘You can’t go back and recover them. They hadn’t secured the scene right away - there were people coming and going. There was contamination of the scene. They didn’t have structured house-to-house or apartment-to-apartment searches. They told British officers that everyone in the resort’s apartments had been interviewed. But it became apparent that wasn’t so. Holidaymakers who had been at the Club got in touch with British police and said they hadn’t been interviewed. Not all the staff at the resort had been fully eliminated from the investigation, either…”

Observation: Jim Gamble is portayed as a great hero in this book


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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by jeanmonroe on 12.09.14 15:23

PROMINATELY 'DISPLAYED' ON SUMMERS AND SWAN'S FB PAGE!

A VERY QUICK FIRST SCAN OF 'LOOKING FOR MADELEINE' - Page 4 Safe_i10

Out of all the 'Maddie' photo's, in all the media, in all the world, Summers and Swan CHOSE this one!

Hmmmmmmmmm!

Couldn't THEY 'find' an updated, relevent, age 'progressed' image ANYWHERE?

There ARE 'loads and loads' of them, about!

Instead they chose, CHOSE, consciously, to use a 2-3 years old child's er, um, possibly 'enticing' (to the erm, rather less than honourable, members of 'society') 'image' to 'display' on their FB page!  

thinking

OK. Done THINKING!

:wtf2: is THAT all about???????????????? angry2
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Post by jeanmonroe on 12.09.14 15:49

Chapter 19 then opens with details of the McCanns’ very public attempts to ‘bounce’ the new Home Secretary, Theresa May, into granting the review of the case WHICH THEY HAD LONG FOUGHT FOR. She took office after the General Election in May 2010
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thinking

And that 'statement' RECONCILES with, the following on the record, 'statements' by KM,..... HOW?

Kate McCann, mother of the missing child added: "whether the case (into her child's 'disappearance') is re-opened, or NOT, it DOSEN'T matter" Lisbon, 23rd September, 2009.

Kate McCann, mother of the missing child, wrote in the bewk 'madeleine' P317."It may sound odd, but in some ways we were GLAD the investigation (into her child's 'disappearance') HAD BEEN CLOSED." (in 2008)

KM can NEVER, EVER, 'UN-SAY' WHAT SHE HAS 'SAID'!
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Post by j.rob on 12.09.14 15:56

@jeanmonroe wrote:PROMINATELY DISPLAYED ON SUMMER'S AND SWAN'S FB PAGE!

A VERY QUICK FIRST SCAN OF 'LOOKING FOR MADELEINE' - Page 4 Safe_i10

Out of all of the 'Maddie' photo's, in all of the media, in all of the world, Summers and Swan CHOSE this one!

Hmmmmmmmmm!

Couldn't THEY 'find' an updated, relevent, age 'progressed' image ANYWHERE?

There ARE 'loads and loads' of them, about!

Instead they chose, CHOSE, consciously, to use a 2-3 years old child's er, um, possibly 'enticing' (to the erm, rather less than honourable, members of 'society') 'image' to 'display' on their FB page!  

thinking

OK. Done THINKING!

:wtf2: is THAT all about???????????????? angry2
It's another of those photo-bodges where the face is floating in front of a few vague body parts. At an impossible angle to the shoulder/back/part of exposed flesh. In a swimming pool? But with no water. Not a genuine photo at all. And Kate wrote in her book that you weren't allowed to take photos of your own children in swimming pools so I wonder who took it?

Who is pulling the strings behind this book? Who has funded it? 

It's a grotesque joke. A stunt being pulled on the public.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 12.09.14 16:15

Dosen't, imo, matter who is behind this 'charade'!

I'd say a spectacular 'FAIL'!

This 'bewk' release WAS 'timed' to have been explicitly released to co-incide with the McCanns final 'fail' in their Lisbon, libel 'case'

OOPPPPSSS!

AND anyway the OSCAR PISTORIUS 'trial' was much, much, more 'rivetting' than another simpering, snivelling,'they never done it, boo hoo' book!
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