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Post by Bishop Brennan on 06.09.14 10:35

WMD wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:

And then, for clarification, he spells out a very credible and possibly the simplest and most reasonable scenario "The Portuguese police came up with the theory that Madeleine had been killed by her parents by accident, possibly by being given an overdose of a sedative to make her sleep, that they had hidden the body, faked her abduction and then used the hire car weeks later to move her body to a burial location."

So within the constraints under which the MSM operate, not bad. 
Not sure on the law,but is this the first time this scenario as been aired in the MSM and as such is no longer libellous.It will have been run past the lawyers for certain wouldn't it.

Very carefully checked by the lawyers you may be certain! And yes, probably the clearest summary of the PJ case since the early days of 2007/08 in the Express. As it turned out (upon release of the PJ files) a lot of what the Express printed was accurate, and now that those files are public record, libel is easy to avoid for an experienced journalist + newspaper lawyer.

Having mentioned the dogs, attention will now turn to the new book which will presumably discredit them roundly.
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Post by PeterMac on 06.09.14 10:42

WMD wrote:
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And then, for clarification, he spells out a very credible and possibly the simplest and most reasonable scenario "The Portuguese police came up with the theory that Madeleine had been killed by her parents by accident, possibly by being given an overdose of a sedative to make her sleep, that they had hidden the body, faked her abduction and then used the hire car weeks later to move her body to a burial location."
So within the constraints under which the MSM operate, not bad. 
Not sure on the law,but is this the first time this scenario as been aired in the MSM and as such is no longer libellous.It will have been run past the lawyers for certain wouldn't it.

Interestingly NOTHING has ever been held to be libellous.
McCanns - v - Bennett was about procedure and breach of undertaking, and very cleverly Carter- Ruck managed it so that the issue of the facts and/or libel was never heard.
That is their speciality.
The Press settled out of court to the McCanns and others, so the issue was again never raised
The trial in Portugal is about damages, not libel

So we have no idea what would, or would not be held to be libellous, as opposed to genuinely held opinion, or 'truth' for example - which are the usual defences available under English law.

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Post by Guest on 06.09.14 11:06

Thank you Bishop and Peter.Just get the feeling now that there as been a shift in what is being printed and said.
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Post by Markus 2 on 06.09.14 11:42

sallypelt The Irish element in this sorry saga is interesting, to say the least. JG is Irish. Summers is "long based in Ireland". Martin Smith also lives in Ireland, and if we are to believe this above Wiki article that Summers is a meticulous researcher, and will burrow away for years to get to the truth, then he MUST have spoken to Martin Smith.



The Occult History of Ireland...An Introduction, by Michael ...
www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/briefhistoryireland.html
Green on one side, orange on the other and in the middle a white band. Do we ... Could they be the Knights Templar whose history goes back to the Culdeans, .
 I have wondered about this before, the white orange and green balloons at the church for Madeline, right from the off. The Find Madeline website green and orange ribbon.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 06.09.14 11:51

Does anyone know if Clarence Mitchell has described S&S, the authors, as 'despicible, deplorable, disgusting, greedy, unhelpful, self serving, etc.,' with regards to their book?

We all know what CM thinks about 'greedy, money grabbing' people who 'seek to personally benefit' from the 'plight of poor Madeleine'

That is anyone OTHER than his own paymasters, who pay his 'retainer', from THEIR private 'Madeleine Fund', of £28,000pa!

The irony of the 'title' of S&S book, LOOKING for Madeleine, will not be lost on the Great British 'public'

Who have pointed out on numerous occaisions what EXACTLY did Madeleine's own parents, their entire family members, the McCann 'friends' (T7) actually do in their quest for 'looking' for Madeleine!

The 'friends' ran around the apartment block, so they SAY, and the kiddies room for a few minutes, and NOTHING since.

The McCann and Healy 'families' did not 'look' ANYWHERE, for their 'missing' family member, while in PDL.

I wonder what derogatory words, CM will use to describe the authors, S&S, 'motives' to PROFIT themselves, from a 'missing' childs 'disappearance'

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Post by XTC on 06.09.14 22:24

@Markus 2 wrote:sallypelt The Irish element in this sorry saga is interesting, to say the least. JG is Irish. Summers is "long based in Ireland". Martin Smith also lives in Ireland, and if we are to believe this above Wiki article that Summers is a meticulous researcher, and will burrow away for years to get to the truth, then he MUST have spoken to Martin Smith.



The Occult History of Ireland...An Introduction, by Michael ...
www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/briefhistoryireland.html
Green on one side, orange on the other and in the middle a white band. Do we ... Could they be the Knights Templar whose history goes back to the Culdeans, .
 I have wondered about this before, the white orange and green balloons at the church for Madeline, right from the off. The Find Madeline website green and orange ribbon.
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There  does appear to be a lot of Irish connections in this tale via Northern Ireland and Eire.

Just a quick look at the surnames  is interesting.

There are many generational connections to Ireland in the North West. Liverpool and Manchester being notable areas of many ex pat
Irish people over the years.

Which leads me to perhaps a naive but genuinely curious question:

As far as spys and spooks go I'm wet behind the ears. With politicians I'm not.

MI5 ( as far as I'm aware ) deal with UK Domestic matters but I believe ( due to the IRA and Irish  Republicanism in general) that Ireland
does not come into the 'International ' orbit of  MI6. It is considered a ' Domestic ' area.

If for example MI5 were waiting to question Martin Grimes on his arrival back in the UK why didn't MI6 question him in Portugal?

I have not heard a mention of MI6 in this investigation ( I could be wrong) and being as  " the crime " was committed on Foreign soil why weren't MI6 involved from the start? They investigate  ' Foreign ' matters- don't they?


Bearing in mind the possible connections, could this mean that the origin of this story belongs in the UK/Ireland?

In other words is this saga more about the connections rather than the fate of Madeleine and how she " dis-appeared?"

p.s .

A further possibly naive question:

I have read and seen  the Palmeras Golf Course incident where RM's mobile was  ' pinged ' showing him in that area 6 hours before Madeleine
went missing. It is also said that his mobile was turned off for 32 hours. Allegedly so was Mr McCanns and both mobiles were switched on and off within 6 minutes of each other.

My question is that: being as RM's mobile was pinged on the the 3rd was Mr McCann's mobile  ' pinged ' in the same way?

Or was RM's mobile a Portuguese provider and Mr McCann's a British  provider?

One for this froum and one for DI Redwood and his team - should they care to look?



All the above is pure theory though.
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Post by sharonl on 06.09.14 22:48

Seems that Co-Author Robbyn Swan contributes to Vanity Fair and also is also a consultant for the BBC

Anthony Summers is former deputy editor at Panorama

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