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Post by sallypelt on 31.08.14 10:52

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I agree with you whatsupdoc about the "off your head" remark.

Please could I ask that the 9/11 debate continues here.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3435-9-11-conspiracy-theories-how-they-ve-evolved
Sallypelt: yes, there is another topic.
TY NTWTD, I may take a little trip there spin
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Post by BlueBag on 31.08.14 10:53

@whatsupdoc wrote:The videos shown on tv were done hours after the explosions and done badly. Wings disappeared , ventral tanks were seen and the striking of the towers was a shambles with poor video key positioning caused by the news helicopter drifting in position...also the planes showed no indication of slowing down or an impact having taken place, just disappearing and dissolving. After 25 years in the business, I know a fake when I see one.
Here's another gem for all of those who believe what they see on tv...look at the pictures of the lunar buggies...bouncing around throwing up dust. Unfortunately, the Moon has no air so the dust should have travelled in an arc without stopping a few feet behind the buggy...definitely no Rooster Tail.  The videos were shot while training on Earth. I think I read somewhere that NASA had to agree to this but I have noticed on YouTube that some videos of the buggies have been edited to remove any trace of the dust after it reaches the highest point. Again, badly edited.

Whilst I think there are a lot of unanswered questions about 9/11, I will not agree with this stuff.

I have debated long and hard on other forums about the "September Clues" nonsense. Otherwise known as "no planers". Some people don't understand physics, photography or video digital compression, others have more sinister motives.

As for the "Apollo Hoax" nonsense, people don't understand science. I've given up trying to show people who don't want to know.

The "Apollo Hoax" is the number one media "go to" for pointing fingers at conspiracy cranks. But that is what it was designed for. 

As far as 9/11 goes, I think there is enough questions about foreknowledge to be getting on with.
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Post by whatsupdoc on 31.08.14 10:55

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I agree with you whatsupdoc about the "off your head" remark.

Please could I ask that the 9/11 debate continues here.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3435-9-11-conspiracy-theories-how-they-ve-evolved
Sallypelt: yes, there is another topic.

Sure thing, boss.

It has gone into too much depth showing the dubious track record of S&S.

Have a nice day everyone...I have to go now.
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Post by Monty Heck on 31.08.14 13:01

++++++++++++

And finally my notes about what we have a right to expect from 'Looking for Madeleine': 

Looking at the publisher’s description of the book, these SIX claims for it stand out: 

·         1. it’s the first independent, objective account of the case

·         2. they have examined the released Portuguese files,

·         3. they have conducted in-depth interviews

·         4. they have conducted original research

·         5. they demonstrate that speculation that the McCanns played a role in their daughter's fate is unfounded, and

·         6. their book is ‘the most definitive account possible’.

If numbers (1) and (6) are to be proved true, it follows that they must have considered, and decisively rejected, the basis on which there has indeed been speculation that the McCanns played a role in Madeleine’s disappearance.  (snipped)
It does indeed follow and, given the authors' pedigree it is to be expected that details of of their acclaimed meticulous research and explanation of their analysis will be provided to underpin these claims.  If, as some have suggested the authors are establishment apologists, information included on this point will be something of a "revelation moment" regarding why the UK establishment (for want of a better description) appear to have unanimously concluded that the parents have no case to answer.  We know that is the case and have pondered endlessly on why that should be, in the face of so much evidence to the contrary.  We have never yet been told the reasons why the McCs are of no interest to the UK authorities and it may be possible the conclusions of this book may mirror and give insight into establishment thinking on this subject.

Whatsupdoc raises the salient question as to why this particular book has been authored by writers whose reputation is founded on investigating US political conspiracies of national/international magnitude, and the reasons for their interest in what is, fundamentally, a domestic crime committed in a foreign jurisdiction.  Curious indeed and this book may well be a worthwhile read, whether or not we agree with any or all of the authors' conclusions which, despite the hype, at best can only be speculative at this point in time.
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Post by PeterMac on 31.08.14 13:11

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Post by XTC on 31.08.14 14:43

@Monty Heck wrote:
++++++++++++

And finally my notes about what we have a right to expect from 'Looking for Madeleine': 

Looking at the publisher’s description of the book, these SIX claims for it stand out: 

·         1. it’s the first independent, objective account of the case

·         2. they have examined the released Portuguese files,

·         3. they have conducted in-depth interviews

·         4. they have conducted original research

·         5. they demonstrate that speculation that the McCanns played a role in their daughter's fate is unfounded, and

·         6. their book is ‘the most definitive account possible’.

If numbers (1) and (6) are to be proved true, it follows that they must have considered, and decisively rejected, the basis on which there has indeed been speculation that the McCanns played a role in Madeleine’s disappearance.  (snipped)
It does indeed follow and, given the authors' pedigree it is to be expected that details of of their acclaimed meticulous research and explanation of their analysis will be provided to underpin these claims.  If, as some have suggested the authors are establishment apologists, information included on this point will be something of a "revelation moment" regarding why the UK establishment (for want of a better description) appear to have unanimously concluded that the parents have no case to answer.  We know that is the case and have pondered endlessly on why that should be, in the face of so much evidence to the contrary.  We have never yet been told the reasons why the McCs are of no interest to the UK authorities and it may be possible the conclusions of this book may mirror and give insight into establishment thinking on this subject.

Whatsupdoc raises the salient question as to why this particular book has been authored by writers whose reputation is founded on investigating US political conspiracies of national/international magnitude, and the reasons for their interest in what is, fundamentally, a domestic crime committed in a foreign jurisdiction.  Curious indeed and this book may well be a worthwhile read, whether or not we agree with any or all of the authors' conclusions which, despite the hype, at best can only be speculative at this point in time.
That's a reasonable position to take until the book comes out. I take the same view.

As usual though you have to ask a question of all the learned scholars as to why they are bringing a book out now on this particular subject and not on say the Missing Malaysian airliner?

Similar questions apply to the Re-investigation of Hillsborough etc etc. Why this subject- why now?

In the case of Madeleine the interest is still there but much more subdued as 7 years has passed. If it appears in the US interest is
even less  than in Britain. My theory being if that is the case it is being published now for a different reason.

If it's for reasons of being a bestseller the bestseller sell by date is well past I think.



Is this an attempt at a once and for all no holds barred version of what ACTUALLY happened that night and so on.

All I'm asking is who do you think the audience is whom the book is aimed at? If it's to finally convince an audience  that the Tapas gang had nothing to do with Madeleine's ' missingness'  then the convincing is for a reason. What is the reason?

9/11 relative to this case is a million times more complex and many theories abound but my opinion still applies that even the alleged ' experts'
know no more than us. In the case of Mr Amaral and his team they appear to know better than them and they ( the PJ ) were deeply involved.

  We've been reading the longest book ever written about Madeleine via the media and the parents themselves and we've still not got to the final chapter and Epilogue.

One more is not going to make any difference in my humble opinion.

We shall see.







If it for reasons of being a bestseller the bestseller sell by date is well past I think.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 31.08.14 15:09

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All I'm asking is who do you think the audience is whom the book is aimed at? If it's to finally convince an audience that the Tapas gang had nothing to do with Madeleine's 'missingness' then the convincing is for a reason. What is the reason?
Yes, the 'audience' is primarily the minds of the great British public (GBP), and Clarence Mitchell, the 'Master Media Manipulator', is the production manager.

He arranges the cast, along with his Murdoch friends like Rebekah Brooks, Andy Coulson & Matthew Freud.

'madeleine' by Dr Kate McCann was aimed at the GBP.

So were the serialisations of it.

And all the newspaper headlines.

Plus the photos of the McCanns side-by-side with the parents of Millie Dowler and Christopher Jenkins (Joanne Yeates case - Bristol).

Then David Cameron capitulating to Rebekah Brooks in setting up Grange.

After that DCI Redwood with his age-progressed sketch of Madeleine aged 10.

Next, the hype about a joint investigation with the Portuguese Police.

A big one: The CrimeWatch McCann Show with its 6.7 million viewres, deceived into thinking that two e-fits - clearly of different men - were in fact one bloke seen in the murky darkness of Praia da Luz by the Smiths. 

With a tremendous fanfare - the Alouette Mark III Portuguese helicopters.

More recently, the digs on waste ground, the tents, the police officers, the shovels, the picks, the augurs, the bones, the cameras - and more cameras.

And now - with just 11 days to go now - the most brilliant investigative journalists in the world will write 'the most definitive account possible' and prove that the McCanns had nothing whatsoever to do with Madeleine's disppearance.

All IMO an expensive show for the target audience - the GBP...   

...which will place any continuing dissent into the realms of heresy

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Post by BlueBag on 31.08.14 16:12

If it's the case that the purpose of the book is to tell us the McCanns had nothing to do with Madeleine's disapperance, you have to say.. why?

With the SY farce, these are all big guns being brought out.

What the hell is this about?
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Post by Tony Bennett on 31.08.14 17:04

@BlueBag wrote:If it's the case that the purpose of the book is to tell us the McCanns had nothing to do with Madeleine's disapperance, you have to say.. why?

With the SY farce, these are all big guns being brought out.

What the hell is this about?
'The Wider Agenda'?

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Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by whatsupdoc on 31.08.14 17:28

@PeterMac wrote:Those same people would fight you to the death if you suggested that Professional wrestling was not a ludicrous con !

Saturday afternoons on black & white tv with Kent Walton commentating and the great Mick McManus rip.... circa 1960....what fantastic entertainment that was!
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Post by Brian Griffin on 31.08.14 17:43

@BlueBag wrote:
America (PNAC) got it's "new Pearl Habor" and the world changed overnight.
Yeah and we got dragged into it courtesy of the only man in the media more smug and slippery than our Gezza, Tony B. Liar! Now we're on full terrorist alert. If only we had simply stayed out of it all and let America have it's own jihad against some of the most volatile people on the planet. Ta for that, Tone! In my opinion.
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Post by Brian Griffin on 31.08.14 17:45

@palm tree wrote:How the nose came out the opposite side still intact, steal beams an all that, impossible for passenger jets to fly that speed without breaking up? Anyway, I wonder if this new book will include OG burglar, killer, abductor, pristine cleaner, handyman (fix shutters after), who empties bins with the right target on his back and then becomes a grave digger invisible to all? Is this the way this case will be wrapped up Andy?
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And don't forget fridge movements.
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Post by Brian Griffin on 31.08.14 17:53

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:If it's the case that the purpose of the book is to tell us the McCanns had nothing to do with Madeleine's disapperance, you have to say.. why?

With the SY farce, these are all big guns being brought out.

What the hell is this about?
'The Wider Agenda'?
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Post by waiting for justice on 31.08.14 19:06

@Brian Griffin wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:If it's the case that the purpose of the book is to tell us the McCanns had nothing to do with Madeleine's disapperance, you have to say.. why?

With the SY farce, these are all big guns being brought out.

What the hell is this about?
'The Wider Agenda'?
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Which will ill just fade us into the background as 
crazy conspiracy theorists. 
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Post by margaret on 31.08.14 21:25

@Brian Griffin wrote:
Just type '911 conspiracy' into Youtube and you'll get lots of very plausible explanations of what really happened surrounding, and on, that fateful day. I haven't watched these vids for a long time now, but if I remember correctly, one of my favourite ones showed un-doctored footage that the planes that crashed into the towers are green and had no windows (i.e. military jets), I think it was also stated that a missile hit the Pentagon, and as for the collapse of the towers, you can see the controlled explosions and hear them explained by demolition experts. They wouldn't have collapsed otherwise. Well worth a look!

I'm sorry l know there's another thread but l find this comment ridiculous. There were thousands of onlookers that day that saw at least the second plane hit the tower, are you trying to tell us they are ALL lying that they saw a green plane really?

All that footage, some of it on mobiles was ALL doctored?

There's lots of odd things that happened that day but you can't lie to thousands who saw it with their own eyes. lol!
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Post by margaret on 31.08.14 21:30

@Tony Bennett wrote:
If we look back at recent statements by Soctland Yard, whether on the record or in 'off the record' briefings, it's clear (to me at any rate) that the Met and the government are preparing to close Grange by saying: "Madeleine was abducted. We tried so hard but failed to nail the abductor, partly because of the lack of co-operation from the Portuguese".


But who is going to believe that whenever it's been announced the Met have asked to interview suspects, dig up PDL in high season ( remember the outrage about that) and now re interview suspects it get seen to be done - and quickly.

It's clear Portugal are co-operating with the Met.
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Post by juliet on 31.08.14 21:33

Just look Margaret. It is those who dumbly believe in the 9/11 tale who are the weirdos.
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Post by PeterMac on 31.08.14 22:30

It's OK. Don't worry, The First World war did not really happen, it is just history books written by the people who control our lives,
WW 2 was also a massive propaganda exercise, no one really got killed. Nothing really happened. My uncle is alive and well and living in Holland
The photos of the bombed cities are all photoshopped . . .

The 737 400 on the M1 at Kegworth (that I attended for many days) was a plastic replica, and I am sworn to secrecy about the operation to take it to bits and put it back
in the Airfix box.
The grieving families of all the people who died - or who were supposed to have died ! ! - in each of these events have all been paid billions by the Illuminati
and have agreed never to reveal that their relatives are in fact live and well and living in a commune with Elvis and Jackson and . . . .

THIS IS DISGUSTING !

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Post by snook on 31.08.14 23:19

If this book concludes the parents are in no way involved then I can only think it has been commissioned by the them. They must be counting the days until it is published. Excellent point by an earlier poster. Any serious writer would have realised very early into their research that going up against the official tale would be nigh on impossible. 

As soon as I read these authors  had discounted 9/11 'truthers' I was suspicious. A blind man could see it was an inside job and to say other wise insults the intelligence of anyone with half a brain. To Okeydokey, may I suggest reviewing Webster Griffin Tarpley and his in depth political analysis book on 9/11 ? His research makes Summers' & Swanns' book look like a bad GCSE essay.
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Post by snook on 31.08.14 23:49

@margaret wrote:
@Brian Griffin wrote:
Just type '911 conspiracy' into Youtube and you'll get lots of very plausible explanations of what really happened surrounding, and on, that fateful day. I haven't watched these vids for a long time now, but if I remember correctly, one of my favourite ones showed un-doctored footage that the planes that crashed into the towers are green and had no windows (i.e. military jets), I think it was also stated that a missile hit the Pentagon, and as for the collapse of the towers, you can see the controlled explosions and hear them explained by demolition experts. They wouldn't have collapsed otherwise. Well worth a look!

I'm sorry l know there's another thread but l find this comment ridiculous. There were thousands of onlookers that day that saw at least the second plane hit the tower, are you trying to tell us they are ALL lying that they saw a green plane really?

All that footage, some of it on mobiles was ALL doctored?

There's lots of odd things that happened that day but you can't lie to thousands who saw it with their own eyes. lol!
Margaret, 
No one disputes the building were hit & fell ( how can be debated forever). There are many 'truthers' who are agents of disinformation who deliberately  publish rubbish in order to discredit any credible arguments with the 'oh look, nutters'. What you need to look at is who was behind it. It doesn't take a genius to work out that it would have been impossible that security services with billions of dollars funding had no idea  what was coming & that a man in a cave, with a laptop foxed them all. All those 'bombers' have been shown to have had training and/or dealings with the CIA, it's an open secret. Bin Laden was receiving medical treatment, courtesy of US  as late as June of that year. Get my drift ? if you are at all interested in real verifiable facts, check out Dr Webster Tarpley's  work & ask yourself the basic question, if 17 of the 'bombers' were Saudi nationals, why was Iraq targeted and not them ? Again & again, credulity is  pushed to the limit. Not one bit of plane left at any crash site but they find a passport ? Sound familiar ? Like the pristine passports found when the Malaysian flight was downed. Don't look at the mechanics, look behind it. Bush was terrified, he was also threatened. Check out 'Angel is Next' There is a sinister shadow gov't operating in US as here. Same applies to 7/7. Every time there is a major attack, be it a bombing/shooting security services are always coincidently  running drills and the surveillance cameras fail. You couldn't make it up ! In that year numerous times jets had been sent up into New York air space to check out suspicious activity yet not one on 9/11. Want to know why ? They were all on the other side of the country, doing drills. Another coincidence ? I think not.

Sorry this is off thread but it gets my goat when people dismiss evidence without doing the research, like many do regarding the Mccanns'
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Post by Tony Bennett on 01.09.14 0:44

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Margaret, 
No one disputes the building were hit & fell ( how can be debated forever). There are many 'truthers' who are agents of disinformation who deliberately  publish rubbish in order to discredit any credible arguments with the 'oh look, nutters'. What you need to look at is who was behind it. It doesn't take a genius to work out that it would have been impossible that security services with billions of dollars funding had no idea  what was coming & that a man in a cave, with a laptop foxed them all. All those 'bombers' have been shown to have had training and/or dealings with the CIA, it's an open secret. Bin Laden was receiving medical treatment, courtesy of US  as late as June of that year. Get my drift ? if you are at all interested in real verifiable facts, check out Dr Webster Tarpley's  work & ask yourself the basic question, if 17 of the 'bombers' were Saudi nationals, why was Iraq targeted and not them ? Again & again, credulity is  pushed to the limit. Not one bit of plane left at any crash site but they find a passport ? Sound familiar ? Like the pristine passports found when the Malaysian flight was downed. Don't look at the mechanics, look behind it. Bush was terrified, he was also threatened. Check out 'Angel is Next' There is a sinister shadow gov't operating in US as here. Same applies to 7/7. Every time there is a major attack, be it a bombing/shooting security services are always coincidently  running drills and the surveillance cameras fail. You couldn't make it up ! In that year numerous times jets had been sent up into New York air space to check out suspicious activity yet not one on 9/11. Want to know why ? They were all on the other side of the country, doing drills. Another coincidence ? I think not.

Sorry this is off thread but it gets my goat when people dismiss evidence without doing the research, like many do regarding the Mccanns'
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snook, yes, this is badly off thread, could I ask you please to c & p this post to the thread referred to by NFWTD, as follows:

QUOTE NFWTD:

Please could I ask that the 9/11 debate continues here.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3435-9-11-conspiracy-theories-how-they-ve-evolved
 


As it happens, the questions you pose and the facts you refer to above are the very ones that have troubled me over the years, but my OP was designed merely to highlight the authors' previous apparently impressive track record - and to query whether the authors were likely to produce an objective book about Madeleine McCann.

At the very least, the thread has established that not a few people seriously query whether Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan wrote an objective, complete account of 9/11.

Thus we may well raise eyebrows at their claim to be producing 'the most definitive account yet' of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Now can we please move on and have all discussions about 9/11 itself on the proper thread, many thanks

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

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Post by Okeydokey on 01.09.14 1:05

@PeterMac wrote:I can't wait for the book to be delivered.
I have obviously been wrong to worry about whether the curtains were wide open or tight shut, and am desperate to know which it was.
I have obviously been wrong to worry about whether Gerry went in through the front door or the patio door, and am desperate to know which it was.
I have obviously been wrong to worry about whether the twins were sedated, or were not sedated, or "Must have been sedated"  and am desperate to know which it was.
I have obviously been wrong to worry about whether you could see Madeleine's bed, or you could not see Madeleine's bed, and am desperate to know which it was.
I have obviously been wrong to worry about whether Payne visited for 30 minutes or 30 seconds, or not at all, and am desperate to know which it was.

I am confident that at last ALL these minor issues and little problems and tiny contradictions will be sorted out, once and for all time.
And that after the author's extensive interviews with all the people concerned they will be able to give first hand accounts of all the evidence St. Katherine said she had, but was not allowed to give.
and that at last we shall know about which side of the road JT and GM and everyone else actually was.

Can't wait.

I must have been wrong to worry about Matthew Oldfield being able to detect a toddler's rise and fall of breathing through mesh sides of a cot in near or semi darkness at 10 feet, and probably under covers (as it was a cold night according to Jane Tanner). Obviously he has super-powers.

And I was wrong to worry about none of them reacting to JT's info, given at 10 pm on the night, that she had seen the abductor...not a single indication that they conducted a methodical search in the direction JT saw the "abductor" fleeing with Madeleine. Instead they went wandering about the resort in all directions. Still nothing to worry about.

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Post by Okeydokey on 01.09.14 1:18

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@snook wrote:
Margaret, 
No one disputes the building were hit & fell ( how can be debated forever). There are many 'truthers' who are agents of disinformation who deliberately  publish rubbish in order to discredit any credible arguments with the 'oh look, nutters'. What you need to look at is who was behind it. It doesn't take a genius to work out that it would have been impossible that security services with billions of dollars funding had no idea  what was coming & that a man in a cave, with a laptop foxed them all. All those 'bombers' have been shown to have had training and/or dealings with the CIA, it's an open secret. Bin Laden was receiving medical treatment, courtesy of US  as late as June of that year. Get my drift ? if you are at all interested in real verifiable facts, check out Dr Webster Tarpley's  work & ask yourself the basic question, if 17 of the 'bombers' were Saudi nationals, why was Iraq targeted and not them ? Again & again, credulity is  pushed to the limit. Not one bit of plane left at any crash site but they find a passport ? Sound familiar ? Like the pristine passports found when the Malaysian flight was downed. Don't look at the mechanics, look behind it. Bush was terrified, he was also threatened. Check out 'Angel is Next' There is a sinister shadow gov't operating in US as here. Same applies to 7/7. Every time there is a major attack, be it a bombing/shooting security services are always coincidently  running drills and the surveillance cameras fail. You couldn't make it up ! In that year numerous times jets had been sent up into New York air space to check out suspicious activity yet not one on 9/11. Want to know why ? They were all on the other side of the country, doing drills. Another coincidence ? I think not.

Sorry this is off thread but it gets my goat when people dismiss evidence without doing the research, like many do regarding the Mccanns'
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snook, yes, this is badly off thread, could I ask you please to c & p this post to the thread referred to by NFWTD, as follows:

QUOTE NFWTD:

Please could I ask that the 9/11 debate continues here.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3435-9-11-conspiracy-theories-how-they-ve-evolved
 


As it happens, the questions you pose and the facts you refer to above are the very ones that have troubled me over the years, but my OP was designed merely to highlight the authors' previous apparently impressive track record - and to query whether the authors were likely to produce an objective book about Madeleine McCann.

At the very least, the thread has established that not a few people seriously query whether Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan wrote an objective, complete account of 9/11.

Thus we may well raise eyebrows at their claim to be producing 'the most definitive account yet' of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Now can we please move on and have all discussions about 9/11 itself on the proper thread, many thanks

Yes we can move on...but you should never have introduced the subject in the way you did into a discussion of the McCann case. End of.
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Post by sar on 01.09.14 10:13

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:My comments:

3. Bad move to even mention the absurd 9-11 "Truther" account in relation to the unexplained disappearance of MMcC or indeed the assassination of JFK.  There is absolutely no doubt what happened on 9-11: a bunch of Jihadists affiliated to Osama bin Laden commandeered a number of passenger jets and flew them into a number of prestige targets.  Few historical events and their causation are so well documented as 9-11.
I don't know what these 'absurd 'Truther' accounts' are, though I have certainly seen some extreme conspiracy nonsense written about that appalling day in world history.

However, I cannot be sure that this event was as claimed - a sudden, out-of-the-blue event, about which the elite U.S. security services knew nothing beforehand.

So as not to drag this off-topic, I'll not say more - except to repeat my point that there is a body of opinion which suggests that Summers and Swan's overall verdict on 9/11 may not be completely correct, by a long chalk.

I also find 11 September 2014, exactly 13 years to the day after the original 9/11 event, an odd choice of publication date for 'Looking for Madeleine'
Excuse my bolding, agree completely, in my modest experience nothing happens in print / media or "marketing" by accident.  Deadlines are agreed sometimes as much as 3 years in advance so not imo a coincidence.
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Post by sar on 01.09.14 10:17

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Angelique wrote:I agree with "BlueBag".

I think it is possible after reading Tony's in-depth post about Summers & Swan, "The Eleventh Day" - I think they have "taken the shilling". 

It serves the purpose by arriving at what is possibly the end of the Review/Investigation by SY and can I think be considered another "force feeding" for the unenlightened masses.
If we look back at recent statements by Soctland Yard, whether on the record or in 'off the record' briefings, it's clear (to me at any rate) that the Met and the government are preparing to close Grange by saying: "Madeleine was abducted. We tried so hard but failed to nail the abductor, partly because of the lack of co-operation from the Portuguese".

I predict this will happen at least three months before the General Election - so, by February 2015.

I expect a propaganda blitz about the book in the next few days, maybe with a serialisation in a newspaper, maybe with TV interviews.

The compliant media will no doubt have been briefed about the 'international reputation' of the authors for their 'meticulous research' etc. etc.
Quoting TB "I predict this will happen at least three months before the General Election - so, by February 2015."

Again, I believe this is being carefully "fed in" by media managers / manipulators and others to coincide with GE
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