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Post by jeanmonroe on 30.08.14 14:13

UR4 (reporter): What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have...

KM's er, 'EVIDENCE' of 'abduction'

KM: "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw"

So you actually 'SAW' the 'abduction' then, Kate, which had 'taken place' FORTY FIVE minutes 'earlier' than when you checked, as 'witnessed' by your  friend J Tanner, with your husband and his tennis buddy chatting in the same street at exactly the same time, Madeleine was being 'carried off' by J Tanner?

Hmmmm.........thought not!

"Madeleine was being 'carried off' by JT"................ winkwink

Panorama Nov 2007:

Interviewer: "Describe how you saw Madeleine being carried"

JT: "er, I was carrying..."
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Post by plebgate on 30.08.14 14:52

Thanks for OP Tony.

I haven't read every reply.  I most certainly would not buy this book as from the OP I take it we have not been told who has been interviewed. 

I would like to know how these authors can come to any conclusion about what happened as it doesn't really matter who they interviewed (IMO) - the words of the Tapas 9 interviews are the only ones that count.   Nobody in 7 years, based on those words, has been able to fathom what happened to Maddie on the night she went missing, so unless the Tapas 9 accounts have changed and evidence produced, I see no point  in my  going out and  buying or reading this book.  If those accounts have changed they will have to have been done officailly I believe -  i.e. through the police for them to hold any weight.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 30.08.14 14:56

TB wrote:
"IF Grange is closed down and IF anyone then feels that an injustice has been done, or the police have lied or been corrupt or incompetent, THEN IMO it would need a group of people to come together who would NEVER GIVE UP in their quest for truth and justice in this case."
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And LEADING that 'group' of people, to right an injustice, would SURELY be the McCanns and their ENTIRE family, the Healy's, the rest of the T9, C Mitchell, L Kelly, and any number of McCann 'supportive' billion/millionaires, etc',.

Have i got THAT right?

There'd be an outcry IF Grange was 'closed' down, not least of all, from the McCann's and Healy 'families' THEMSELVES, i would have thought.....winkwink

Oh, hang on, I seem to remember that Kate McCann said:in her bewk, exhibit KH1,"we were glad the investigation (into our daughter's 'disappearance') was CLOSED'

and

Kate McCann saying, on record, "whether the case (of her 'disappeared' daughter) is re-opened, OR NOT, it dosen't matter"

So, sadly, perhaps the mother of the 'disappeared' child will NOT be at the fore front of a group of people fighting a perceived injustice, against a child, they do not, and never have, known.
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Post by garfy on 30.08.14 15:21

@inspirespirit wrote:
@garfy wrote:Tony wrote: "If we look back at recent statements by Soctland Yard, whether on the record or in 'off the record' briefings, it's clear (to me at any rate) that the Met and the government are preparing to close Grange by saying: "Madeleine was abducted. We tried so hard but failed to nail the abductor, partly because of the lack of co-operation from the Portuguese".

I predict this will happen at least three months before the General Election - so, by February 2015.

I expect a propaganda blitz about the book in the next few days, maybe with a serialisation in a newspaper, maybe with TV interviews.

The compliant media will no doubt have been briefed about the 'international reputation' of the authors for their 'meticulous research' etc. etc."UNQUOTE




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yes ......and also completely over shadowing the libel trial...if the judgement goes against them  etc etc
What will happen if that does happen?  Do we all just give up?  What more will anyone be able to do?    sad1

well i reckon..the mcc lovers will be elated thy have another book to boast about ...........were as us foot soldiers will have to plod on.....continually loosing the battle ...but one day will win the war for justice for maddie
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Post by waiting for justice on 30.08.14 16:27

Sorry to be so blunt but how on earth anyone can write a book 
about an ongoing case like this where no body has yet been found or evidence to support an abduction is absurd. 

I shall not be feeding this never ending gravy train but am selfishly hoping someone on here does as I'm intrigued as well as to where all the new evidence has come from. 

Clearly an author wouldn't be allowed to put into circulation anything libellous (and I hope you are well into penning your own book TB in case you get the chance to publish it one day) so the next best thing for the greedy is to go with the official line and publish that instead. 
I also find it absurd that one cannot be published yet another can just because it must clearly sings to the MC's tune. 


These people are truly rotten to the core. If they have the most difinitive conclusion to an unsolved to date case then they are clearly in the wrong job and should be working for SY and put MBMs parents and the rest of the world out of their misery instead of chasing £££. 

IMO of course, whilst truly disgusted that yet more people are going to benefit financially on the back of this little girl.
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Post by Brian Griffin on 30.08.14 17:14

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Angelique wrote:I agree with "BlueBag".

I think it is possible after reading Tony's in-depth post about Summers & Swan, "The Eleventh Day" - I think they have "taken the shilling". 

It serves the purpose by arriving at what is possibly the end of the Review/Investigation by SY and can I think be considered another "force feeding" for the unenlightened masses.
If we look back at recent statements by Soctland Yard, whether on the record or in 'off the record' briefings, it's clear (to me at any rate) that the Met and the government are preparing to close Grange by saying: "Madeleine was abducted. We tried so hard but failed to nail the abductor, partly because of the lack of co-operation from the Portuguese".

I predict this will happen at least three months before the General Election - so, by February 2015.

I expect a propaganda blitz about the book in the next few days, maybe with a serialisation in a newspaper, maybe with TV interviews.

The compliant media will no doubt have been briefed about the 'international reputation' of the authors for their 'meticulous research' etc. etc.
It will get ripped to shreds on Amazon, though, if it is just another shill. Kate's bewks come under a lot of fire in the reviews and comments sections of the listings. Of course, Amazon can, and does, just remove reviews as it sees fit. We'll have to wait and see. I doubt it will be long before you can get your second-hand penny copy if you really want one. In my opinion.
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Post by Brian Griffin on 30.08.14 17:21

@AndyB wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:There is absolutely no doubt what happened on
9-11: a bunch of Jihadists affiliated to Osama bin Laden commandeered a number of passenger jets and flew them into a number of prestige targets{/quote]
In your mind there may be no doubt but to state it as fact is quite wrong. There are a very large (and growing) number of people that question the validity of the official account for a number of reasons not the least of which are the apparent evaporation of the vast majority of the superstructure of the "plane" that hit the pentagon and the near free fall collapse of building 7, which wasn't hit by anything.

Just type '911 conspiracy' into Youtube and you'll get lots of very plausible explanations of what really happened surrounding, and on, that fateful day. I haven't watched these vids for a long time now, but if I remember correctly, one of my favourite ones showed un-doctored footage that the planes that crashed into the towers are green and had no windows (i.e. military jets), I think it was also stated that a missile hit the Pentagon, and as for the collapse of the towers, you can see the controlled explosions and hear them explained by demolition experts. They wouldn't have collapsed otherwise. Well worth a look!
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Post by Brian Griffin on 30.08.14 17:32

@inspirespirit wrote:
@garfy wrote:Tony wrote: "If we look back at recent statements by Soctland Yard, whether on the record or in 'off the record' briefings, it's clear (to me at any rate) that the Met and the government are preparing to close Grange by saying: "Madeleine was abducted. We tried so hard but failed to nail the abductor, partly because of the lack of co-operation from the Portuguese".

I predict this will happen at least three months before the General Election - so, by February 2015.

I expect a propaganda blitz about the book in the next few days, maybe with a serialisation in a newspaper, maybe with TV interviews.

The compliant media will no doubt have been briefed about the 'international reputation' of the authors for their 'meticulous research' etc. etc."UNQUOTE




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yes ......and also completely over shadowing the libel trial...if the judgement goes against them  etc etc
What will happen if that does happen?  Do we all just give up?  What more will anyone be able to do?    sad1
Thought that myself over the last few days. If Amaral loses the libel trial (it isn't even libel, is it?), then to me it would mean the end because someone has a much farther reach to pull strings than first thought. Basically, it would mean that no matter what anyone does or says, the McCanns will dictate the outcome of anything to do with them and Madeleine. Time to put the chairs on the tables and turn out the lights. Oh, and never, ever go near Praia da Luz. If they win, I can see them going after that chap who did the videos next. All in my opinion, of course.
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Post by Brian Griffin on 30.08.14 18:05

@aquila wrote:snipped from whatsupdoc's post

"I believe Kate's bewk was a best-seller, dear oh dear, so I think S&Swan book will no doubt be a best seller also. "

Why do you believe Kate's bewk was a best-seller? I've not seen anything to prove that and importantly I haven't seen anything in the Fund (Limited Company) accounts to prove/detail that all royalties have been paid into the Find Madeleine Fund.

If Kate's bewk, (that would be the bewk with the big sticker on the front comforting everyone who bought it by knowing their purchase was helping in the search for Madeleine) was a triumph then there would surely be something in the financial reports of the Limited Company to show income from the bewk (or am I being silly).

Does anyone have info on the success of Kate's bewk?

could someone post a photo of the sticker on Kate's bewk? PeterMac..help.
Well, you could check the Amazon sales ranking against other books you know to be big sellers like '50 shades' etc. That will give you some idea of how many have been sold. Number of second hand copies available is also a vague indicator, as is number of comments, but in this case you also have to factor in the ongoing war of words between the 'pros' and the 'cons'. You could also write directly to the publisher and ask for sales figures.
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Post by XTC on 30.08.14 23:46

@Brian Griffin wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Angelique wrote:I agree with "BlueBag".

I think it is possible after reading Tony's in-depth post about Summers & Swan, "The Eleventh Day" - I think they have "taken the shilling". 

It serves the purpose by arriving at what is possibly the end of the Review/Investigation by SY and can I think be considered another "force feeding" for the unenlightened masses.
If we look back at recent statements by Soctland Yard, whether on the record or in 'off the record' briefings, it's clear (to me at any rate) that the Met and the government are preparing to close Grange by saying: "Madeleine was abducted. We tried so hard but failed to nail the abductor, partly because of the lack of co-operation from the Portuguese".

I predict this will happen at least three months before the General Election - so, by February 2015.

I expect a propaganda blitz about the book in the next few days, maybe with a serialisation in a newspaper, maybe with TV interviews.

The compliant media will no doubt have been briefed about the 'international reputation' of the authors for their 'meticulous research' etc. etc.
It will get ripped to shreds on Amazon, though, if it is just another shill. Kate's bewks come under a lot of fire in the reviews and comments sections of the listings. Of course, Amazon can, and does, just remove reviews as it sees fit. We'll have to wait and see. I doubt it will be long before you can get your second-hand penny copy if you really want one. In my opinion.
It think " force feeding for the unenlightened masses " is about right.

Who do these people who write this dross think they are? The fonts of all wisdom?

My favourite anti - Conspiracy theorist ( David Aaronovich ) thinks that we have a need and almost a desire to believe that the powerful and rich are playing a game of puppetry with the masses as it were. It exonorates us from blame for the way our lives turn out as if they were not shaped by political decisions by politicians.

These people pose as guardians of our thoughts yet actually are part of the alleged conspiracies themselves. If they write an erudite treatise or book they are basically saying: Listen to me because I know ( as in Know!) what actually ( as in really!) what happened on 9/11 or the Kennedy Assination etc etc. The reality is is that they know no more than you or me. Yes they can write wonderful prose and spell correctly
and research but in the end from Madeleine to 9/11 do most ordinary ( unenlightened ) people believe them? In most cases it's a resounding no.

The reason for that is as posters have put on here and on the 9/11 or any other ' Conspiracy' blogs or websites is the staright forward fact that a lot of people don't trust their governments or authorities. Why would that be? Simply because past history when it is revealed is proof that these agencies were ( and still are ) lying through their teeth to the unenlightened masses. They know we know. This is why books and media communiques are written to try and head us off at the pass.

This Madeleine tale is full of that and has been for 7 plus years.

The funny thing is that all the pre-buttals have all been gleaned from discussions on  Internet sites.

Thank goodness for the web and all its alleged " Cranks " otherwise all we would have to inform us about ' all we need to know' would be
books like this and Uncle David Aaronovich warning us of the dangers away from the world of the Intellegensia and becoming mis-informed
or mis-educated or worse - cynical.

These people rely for getting paid and the lifestyle they have become accustomed to ( see Christopher Hitchens and Martin Amis ) on the rich and powerful. It is extremely unlikely that they will bite the hand that feeds them. This ranges from the BBC to Sky News to the press journalists. They don't need to be told what to say. They know what's acceptable.

I don't trust them one inch. Or 25 millimetres if they are European.
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Post by Okeydokey on 31.08.14 3:35

@BlueBag wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:Possibly their best-known book to date is “The Eleventh Day; The Full Story of 9/11 and Osama Bin Laden”. Though well-received, it did not satisfy those many critics who believe there was a much deeper conspiracy behind the events leading to 9/11. That led some to suggest that Summers and Swan have been far too close to the political establishment and therefore unable to bring full objectivity to their books.

I can tell you now, I have followed the 9/11 debate closely for a number of years. I believe there are still many questions unanswered. Summers version of events has been ripped to shreds by people who can see the smoke and mirrors.

I think Summers is an apologist for the establishment.

If you believe that 9-11 was conducted by others than confederates of Osama bin Laden you are off your head and must believe in a carefully co-ordinated conspiracy of several thousand people including those passengers who elected to go to their deaths in the jets.
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Post by Okeydokey on 31.08.14 3:37

@nglfi wrote:I imagine there'll be a chapter discrediting the dogs and citing all 3 (or a similar number) occasions in the history of dog use when a dog has made a mistake,  a chapter discrediting Amaral by talking about the Cipriano case, a chapter talking about how much the McCanns loved Madeleine,  and a chapter dedicated to all the various - 'suspects' seen over the years. It's simply not possible for it to have anything factual in it if it is pro McCann.

Oh and of course and entire chapter dedicated to how the PJ concluded there was 'no evidence' to suggest the parents involvement,  conveniently leaving out what they also said about death in the apartment and faked abduction.  The words 'no evidence' will be repeated ad infinitum in an attempt to wear us all down.

I think your post nails the book completely! That is exactly how it will read!!!
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Post by Okeydokey on 31.08.14 3:45

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:My comments:

3. Bad move to even mention the absurd 9-11 "Truther" account in relation to the unexplained disappearance of MMcC or indeed the assassination of JFK.  There is absolutely no doubt what happened on 9-11: a bunch of Jihadists affiliated to Osama bin Laden commandeered a number of passenger jets and flew them into a number of prestige targets.  Few historical events and their causation are so well documented as 9-11.
I don't know what these 'absurd 'Truther' accounts' are, though I have certainly seen some extreme conspiracy nonsense written about that appalling day in world history.

However, I cannot be sure that this event was as claimed - a sudden, out-of-the-blue event, about which the elite U.S. security services knew nothing beforehand.

So as not to drag this off-topic, I'll not say more - except to repeat my point that there is a body of opinion which suggests that Summers and Swan's overall verdict on 9/11 may not be completely correct, by a long chalk.

I also find 11 September 2014, exactly 13 years to the day after the original 9/11 event, an odd choice of publication date for 'Looking for Madeleine'

Tony - perhaps you are not up on the lingo...

Truther means that the 9-11 events were directed by such agencies as CIA, Mossad etc. - in other words completely absurd and shameful claims that entirely dishonour the 3000 near enough dead.

Truther does NOT mean, in the more limited sense you imply,  that various agencies might have had varying degrees of knowledge of the possibility of the attack.  It is well documented that there were indeed some prior indications of the plot that were known to various western intelligence agencies - that is accepted by all official accounts as far as I know.

If you want to retain credibility please be careful how you refer to these events.I say that as someone who respects your comments on the McCann case. My fear is you will completely discredit the case for
open investigation of Madeleine's disappearance by such careless comments.  No serious commenter believes that the passenger jets we all saw flown into the WTC  were anything other than passenger jets.
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Post by BlueBag on 31.08.14 6:46

@Okeydokey wrote:Truther means that the 9-11 events were directed by such agencies as CIA, Mossad etc. - in other words completely absurd and shameful claims that entirely dishonour the 3000 near enough dead.

Sorry not having that!

The relatives of the dead also have lots of questions that didn't  get answered.

Ever hear of "The Jersey Girls"'?

Also... start at the beginning.. just what was going on in that Florida classroom?

What did Andrew Card whisper in George Bush's ear? Because it sure as wasn't what we were officially told.

Lots of people believe "they knew and let it happen". There is strong evidence to back that view.

America (PNAC) got it's "new Pearl Habor" and the world changed overnight.
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Post by whatsupdoc on 31.08.14 7:17

My thanks to TB for his OP detailing the previous works of S&S.

It is clear to me that they have slavishly repeated the official line of 9/11 which doesn't bode well for a book on the McCann case. I think there has been enough material out already in the rags and on TV without another book.

How can S&S possibly know the "real" truth about what happened to Madeleine without a full and honest confession from the McCanns and the Tapas 7 which, I'm assuming, they haven't done? It'll be interesting to know where they have pulled the material from.

Anyway, I don't want to hear about how busy Kate has been tending the Fairies at the bottom of her garden. I know it's getting colder and they need new coats knitting for the winter. big grin

I am not alone in saying I didn't believe the McCanns when I first saw them giving the tv interview on 4th May 2007 and we have all had our suspicions proved correct...well, the thinking ones.

So, if there are any real truths or golden nuggets in this book, I'll be very surprised. smilie



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Post by PeterMac on 31.08.14 7:34

I wonder if the book will include the photos of ALL the suspects, from faceless man right through to Smithman.

Kate's book notoriously did NOT include the e-fits of Smithman, for reasons which only they know.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 31.08.14 8:38

@Okeydokey wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:My comments:

3. Bad move to even mention the absurd 9-11 "Truther" account in relation to the unexplained disappearance of MMcC or indeed the assassination of JFK.  There is absolutely no doubt what happened on 9-11: a bunch of Jihadists affiliated to Osama bin Laden commandeered a number of passenger jets and flew them into a number of prestige targets.  Few historical events and their causation are so well documented as 9-11.
I don't know what these 'absurd 'Truther' accounts' are, though I have certainly seen some extreme conspiracy nonsense written about that appalling day in world history.

However, I cannot be sure that this event was as claimed - a sudden, out-of-the-blue event, about which the elite U.S. security services knew nothing beforehand.

So as not to drag this off-topic, I'll not say more - except to repeat my point that there is a body of opinion which suggests that Summers and Swan's overall verdict on 9/11 may not be completely correct, by a long chalk.

I also find 11 September 2014, exactly 13 years to the day after the original 9/11 event, an odd choice of publication date for 'Looking for Madeleine'

Tony - perhaps you are not up on the lingo...

REPLY: That's correct. I did not know that the word 'Truther' meant what you have said below that it means. I refer to my limited scepticism about 9/11 as referred to in blue above. To make my position still clearer, I think that the U.S. security services at the very highest level may have known that this attack (Twin Towers) was going to happen and decided not to prevent it. I am aware of a range of theories but have not researched the case thoroughly. I am aware of possible evidence that demolition experts may have planted detonators in the Twin Towers before the event, but to not know enough to know how strong this evidence is.   

Truther means that the 9-11 events were directed by such agencies as CIA, Mossad etc. - in other words completely absurd and shameful claims that entirely dishonour the 3000 near enough dead.

Truther does NOT mean, in the more limited sense you imply,  that various agencies might have had varying degrees of knowledge of the possibility of the attack.  It is well documented that there were indeed some prior indications of the plot that were known to various western intelligence agencies - that is accepted by all official accounts as far as I know.

REPLY: That is really what I meant.

If you want to retain credibility please be careful how you refer to these events. I say that as someone who respects your comments on the McCann case.

REPLY: I am grateful for that.

My fear is you will completely discredit the case for open investigation of Madeleine's disappearance by such careless comments.  No serious commenter believes that the passenger jets we all saw flown into the WTC were anything other than passenger jets.

REPLY: I haven't said that or gone anywhere near saying that.

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Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by AndyB on 31.08.14 9:53

@Okeydokey wrote:If you believe that 9-11 was conducted by others than confederates of Osama bin Laden you are off your head
Really? How open minded of you. Perhaps you could explain how Osama bin Laden caused building seven to collapse at near free-fall speed when it wasn't hit by a plane and why he felt the need to plant thermite residue in the area?
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Post by BlueBag on 31.08.14 10:19

@AndyB wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:If you believe that 9-11 was conducted by others than confederates of Osama bin Laden you are off your head
Really? How open minded of you. Perhaps you could explain how Osama bin Laden caused building seven to collapse at near free-fall speed when it wasn't hit by a plane and why he felt the need to plant thermite residue in the area?

And also how the BBC reported it's collapse 20 minutes before it fell.

Someone knew it was coming down.

Major Guiliani knew the first tower was coming down before it did as well.

"Someone told him".
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Post by whatsupdoc on 31.08.14 10:29

@AndyB wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:If you believe that 9-11 was conducted by others than confederates of Osama bin Laden you are off your head
Really? How open minded of you. Perhaps you could explain how Osama bin Laden caused building seven to collapse at near free-fall speed when it wasn't hit by a plane and why he felt the need to plant thermite residue in the area?

Okeydokey I have refrained from insulting other posters so I believe you should apologise for suggesting that people who believe 9/11 was a govt job are off their heads.

I can honestly say that all the posters I have come across are very intelligent people with just an odd exception. I respect that people can have different views.

The videos shown on tv were done hours after the explosions and done badly. Wings disappeared , ventral tanks were seen and the striking of the towers was a shambles with poor video key positioning caused by the news helicopter drifting in position...also the planes showed no indication of slowing down or an impact having taken place, just disappearing and dissolving. After 25 years in the business, I know a fake when I see one.
Here's another gem for all of those who believe what they see on tv...look at the pictures of the lunar buggies...bouncing around throwing up dust. Unfortunately, the Moon has no air so the dust should have travelled in an arc without stopping a few feet behind the buggy...definitely no Rooster Tail. The videos were shot while training on Earth. I think I read somewhere that NASA had to agree to this but I have noticed on YouTube that some videos of the buggies have been edited to remove any trace of the dust after it reaches the highest point. Again, badly edited.
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Post by palm tree on 31.08.14 10:35

How the nose came out the opposite side still intact, steal beams an all that, impossible for passenger jets to fly that speed without breaking up? Anyway, I wonder if this new book will include OG burglar, killer, abductor, pristine cleaner, handyman (fix shutters after), who empties bins with the right target on his back and then becomes a grave digger invisible to all? Is this the way this case will be wrapped up Andy?
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Post by sallypelt on 31.08.14 10:45

@BlueBag wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:If you believe that 9-11 was conducted by others than confederates of Osama bin Laden you are off your head
Really? How open minded of you. Perhaps you could explain how Osama bin Laden caused building seven to collapse at near free-fall speed when it wasn't hit by a plane and why he felt the need to plant thermite residue in the area?

And also how the BBC reported it's collapse 20 minutes before it fell.

Someone knew it was coming down.

Major Guiliani knew the first tower was coming down before it did as well.

"Someone told him".

They have been discussing 9/11 on  political forums ever since September 11th 2001, and there's no sign that the debate is going to end anytime soon, and we are no closer to knowing the truth whether it was an "inside job" or not. But the collapse of Building 7 does appear to a bit of a mystery, and the words "pull it" leaves many of us confused. There are lots of unexplained pieces to this tragedy, including the finding of the passports that had "fallen out of the sky", and the size of the hole made by the plane hitting the Pentagon.

The above are just a few of the unanswered questions, but the list is endless. However, my eyes glaze over when I hear the "truthers" going on and on. When some of them state that no planes hit the Towers, but was a "hologram" I put them in the bin. As for my own beliefs about 9/11; I believe the official story because I cannot get my head around it being an "inside job"

Edited to apologies if this post has taken the thread off-topic. Is there a 9/11 thread on this forum, and if not, could someone start one?
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Post by Guest on 31.08.14 10:48

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I agree with you whatsupdoc about the "off your head" remark.

Please could I ask that the 9/11 debate continues here.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3435-9-11-conspiracy-theories-how-they-ve-evolved
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Post by whatsupdoc on 31.08.14 10:51

@BlueBag wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:If you believe that 9-11 was conducted by others than confederates of Osama bin Laden you are off your head
Really? How open minded of you. Perhaps you could explain how Osama bin Laden caused building seven to collapse at near free-fall speed when it wasn't hit by a plane and why he felt the need to plant thermite residue in the area?

And also how the BBC reported it's collapse 20 minutes before it fell.

Someone knew it was coming down.

Major Guiliani knew the first tower was coming down before it did as well.

"Someone told him".

Larry Silverstein, who made $7B on the day said in the morning that WTC7 should be "Pulled" to save any further loss of human life. The firemen knew it was coming down and I saw Mayor G walking briskly away from WTC7, a secure building with FBI, CIA, Enron files etc ...files which needed to be destroyed. Late in the afternoon, a 47 story building had been rigged for a controlled demolition...who leg is he pulling?? A job like that would have taken weeks.
I did see the BBC newscaster get worried and sure enough a Fade to Black and an apology saying they had a technical problem with the link which showed WTC7 still standing.

The good thing about the book by S&S is that professional people who know about 9/11 will certainly wonder why they are writing about the McCanns and I think it will cast serious doubts about the contents of the book.
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