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Post by missbeetle on 09.08.14 6:38

One thing I've not been able to clear up regarding the Gaspar Statements -
 
What kind of drink is a 'Berber' and why would this particular beverage be mentioned?

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I've never understood quite what the McCanns were up to in Morocco...

Any ideas?

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Post by canada12 on 09.08.14 6:51

Well, if this article is anything to go by...

http://www.budgettravel.com/blog/moroccos-national-drink-berber-whiskey,9141/

"Berber" is actually mint tea, as alcohol is forbidden in Morocco, so this is apparently the national drink of the country, officially or unofficially.

Not sure it has any connection to the McCanns actually visiting Morocco in 2007 though.

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M is for McCann...

Post by missbeetle on 09.08.14 8:04

Cheers for that, Canada12 - though I am still no wiser as to why they didn't say 'mint tea'.

Can't see Gerald and David getting leery on sheer minty goodness, though.


The Moroccan trip photographs highlight some of the peculiar McCann styling -



Black and white, blonde and dark, forming an 'M'.

Mysterious...!

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I don't think your princess is in that castle...

Post by missbeetle on 01.12.14 7:41

I found this photograph today - most bizarre :


(snipped from alamy.com)


Does anyone know Rabat? Any ideas what the fort is in the background?


This is another you-cannot-be-serious North African picture -

- albeit a couple of years later :


I'd appreciate Andy Redwood explaining what the story was with Morocco, too...

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Post by PeterMac on 01.12.14 8:42

Morocco does in fact produce quite a lot of wine, some of it very good due to the French colonial influence
and some fairly decent beer. They are also proud of being a secular state in which the majority religion happens to be Islam
rather than an Islamic state. And we must remember that the prohibitions against alcohol, representative art, medicine, music and
all the rest of what modern Islam stands against is a more modern invention.
The Great Mosque in Cordoba was built with a Jewish architect and the Pope sending stone columns from Constantinople to help
It is quite clear that their art included representations of Mohammed - most now in the British Museum ! - of people, animals and birds.
It is also clear that their medical knowledge makes it certain that they were performing post mortem examinations of humans
and their music and dance were legendary.
Then came the next wave of Fundamentalists - the Morahavids - who closed it all down, and then another couple of hundred years later
yet another even more fundamentalist wave accused the previous lot of going soft.
And so Islam has closed itself down.
(I have a personal opinion that marrying you own cousin for 1400 years might have something to do with it but that is another consideration)

Out of interest you can still see Islamic art showing birds and flowers in the Alhambra Palace, in the Hall of the Ambassadors

Al-cohol, distilled in an Al-embic, Al-chemy, Al-gebra, Al-kali, perhaps indicates that once they were an educated and decent people.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 01.12.14 9:08

missbeetle wrote:"

I've never understood quite what the McCanns were up to in Morocco...

Any ideas?
@ missbeetle

A great deal of light was shone on the McCanns' Moroccan operation by Gary Hagland, the money laundering expert appoointed by the McCann Team back in September 2007.

He has written a book about his experiences with the McCann Team, parts of which I've been able to reproduce on this thread:

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t7348-gary-hagland-on-the-mccann-team-s-preparations-to-look-for-madeleine-in-morocco-and-how-the-king-of-morocco-gave-permission-for-metodo-3-to-enter-his-country

Have a look when you've got a few spare moments.

Even today, many people who believe that Madeleine was abducted will say: "I think she was abducted for a wealthy North African family".

This illustrates just how successful the McCanns' Moroccan strategy has been

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Re: M is for Morocco...

Post by Guest on 01.12.14 11:42

canada12 wrote:Well, if this article is anything to go by...

http://www.budgettravel.com/blog/moroccos-national-drink-berber-whiskey,9141/

"Berber" is actually mint tea, as alcohol is forbidden in Morocco, so this is apparently the national drink of the country, officially or unofficially.

Not sure it has any connection to the McCanns actually visiting Morocco in 2007 though.

The Berbers are the indiginous people of Morocco, the nomadic tribes present for thousands of years before the Arab settlers. I have never heard of Moroccan tea being called a 'berber'. I believe that Berber tea is a variation on the ubiquitous mint tea served everywhere in that country and the Berber version is brewed with many different herbs.

It's not true either that alcohol is forbidden.  When I holidayed in Marrakech wine, beer and other alcohol was available in the hotels albeit very expensive.

There was just one 'pub type place' that we found, with public access to all. The alcohol was reasonably cheap there, but it was a bit grubby and a mad old place. As the only public bar in a huge city with a hugely diverse demograph, it was filled with all walks of life, from rich merchants down to the beggar in the corner. To this day the best comparison I can make is to the mad bar in the first Star Wars film.

In the more touristy resorts on the coast, there are many bars and restaurants as normal.

@PeterMac. I agree about Islamic history. You only have to look at the Moors and the vast wisdom and knowledge that culture brought to the world. I'm always mindful of the story of Boabdil, delivering the keys to the Alhambra on a cushion with the words "Yours we are, invincible king; we deliver this city and kingdom to you, trusting that you will treat us with mercy and moderation". I fear, on handing the palace and the knowledge contained within to the Catholic Christians, whose ignorance and educational development was risible compared to the Moorish scholars, much precious knowledge, lore and wisdom were lost forever.

But back to the drink 'Berber'. I don't think there is such a thing. Could Mrs Gasper have meant 'Bourbans'? Or perhaps a Berber is a local Majorcan cocktail?
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Mysterious machinations in Morocco...

Post by missbeetle on 11.12.14 8:19

Here's a report which has always puzzled me :



(snipped from the mccannpjfiles, with thanks)


Some sort of military exercise...?

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A decent civilised people.

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Re: M is for Morocco...

Post by aquila on 11.12.14 10:30

So didn't get the registration number even when thinking it all a bit dodgy.
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Post by plebgate on 11.12.14 16:21

I wonder exactly what he thought was dodgy about them?   I can't quite work out what his concerns were about these men.

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Post by waiting for justice on 11.12.14 19:06

If the driver stated he was EX TA, why would he be going on an exercise with the Moroccan army? Either you're in the Army or you're not. Either you're in the TA or you're not. Maybe now a cntractor or civil servant. Why not just say so then. If neither it would seem odd but if they were that dodgy why not go with them on invite?

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Gold sovereigns...?

Post by missbeetle on 11.12.14 19:57

On the link provided by Tony upthread -

- concerning Gary Hagland's preparations for his Morocco trip with Paddy Kennedy -

- amongst the kit assembled for their trip were 'gold sovereigns'.

Not a money I've ever dealt with before - but then I've never been to Morocco...

...is this a standard form of currencies with spies in North Africa?


I'd love to know what these fellows did get up to in Morocco -

- account snipped just as it was getting interesting!

Did they really go touring round lagoons dressed as English twitchers...

...with gold coins and an armed Royal Guard called Mohammed?


...and who were those quasi-ex-military men seen by Jon Swain?

I think about the Afghani kites 'emblazoned' with pictures of Madeleine -

(and that a coloboma'd eye is considered talismanic in Berber culture)

- the 'first issue' posters taped to these designer sunnied dudes' Land Cruiser...

...and I think a propaganda campaign of some sort by the British Army...?


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Advance preparation...?

Post by missbeetle on 09.03.15 19:40

Strange dates given for these photographs taken in Morocco :


(snipped from apimages.com)

A data inputting error, or something prepared in advance?

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Post by inspirespirit on 09.03.15 20:49

She looks nothing like Madeleine.  I just don't see the resemblance at all.
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Post by Nina on 09.03.15 20:54

inspirespirit wrote:She looks nothing like Madeleine.  I just don't see the resemblance at all.
It was this photograph which linked the little girl to the case,


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More Moroccan mysteriousness...

Post by missbeetle on 02.06.15 7:33

An oddity snipped from June 2007 in the McCann Files, with thanks :



What on earth, do you think, would a pair of British cradle Catholics be wanting to achieve

with a private visit to the Moroccan minister for religious affairs?

Any ideas?

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Re: M is for Morocco...

Post by tigger on 02.06.15 13:12

missbeetle wrote:On the link provided by Tony upthread -

- concerning Gary Hagland's preparations for his Morocco trip with Paddy Kennedy -

- amongst the kit assembled for their trip were 'gold sovereigns'.

Not a money I've ever dealt with before - but then I've never been to Morocco...

...is this a standard form of currencies with spies in North Africa?


I'd love to know what these fellows did get up to in Morocco -

- account snipped just as it was getting interesting!

Did they really go touring round lagoons dressed as English twitchers...

...with gold coins and an armed Royal Guard called Mohammed?


...and who were those quasi-ex-military men seen by Jon Swain?

I think about the Afghani kites 'emblazoned' with pictures of Madeleine -

(and that a coloboma'd eye is considered talismanic in Berber culture)

- the 'first issue' posters taped to these designer sunnied dudes' Land Cruiser...

...and I think a propaganda campaign of some sort by the British Army...?


My thoughts only.
Gosh! Must have missed that. Gold sovereigns  as well! I do know that the Maria Theresia Thalers were issues until well in the 20th C because the Arab allies (Lawrence and all that) would not accept paper money. 
Imagine trying to bribe a Berber lady with a few pieces of paper.  Yes, gold sovereigns would get them any sighting they wanted. 
Bit like the Boys' own Book of Dangerous Escapades...

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Re: M is for Morocco...

Post by Verdi on 02.06.15 22:24

missbeetle wrote:An oddity snipped from June 2007 in the McCann Files, with thanks :



What on earth, do you think, would a pair of British cradle Catholics be wanting to achieve

with a private visit to the Moroccan minister for religious affairs?

Any ideas?
More like diial 'M' for Murdoch!

I can't help but think this is just media spin.  The minister of Islamic affairs works in close harmony with the King of Morocco - a private audience with the King would be absolutely unheard of so I doubt very much if two non-entities like the McCanns would have a hope in hells chance of meeting with the minister of Islamic affairs - not even by arrangement through the UK Prime Minister.  Morocco and the UK are not on very amicable terms, despite what their respective PR pundits might have you believe.

I strongly suspect the whole trip was arranged between Mitchell and his contacts with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, i.e. through the diplomatic corps.  They may have organized a visit or two to an orphanage or such like but I doubt if their jaunt went much further than that.  Certainly not arranging with a government minister for the populace to pray for the safe return of Madeleine for a family reunion.  Sorry but that's not how a mosque conducts it's religious affairs!

The photo shoot showing children holding a picture of Madeleine is but another publicity stunt.  I was once involved in an exhibition staged for a visit by QE2 and her old man.  Local junior schools were called on to supply kids who were provided with little union jacks to wave about during her nibs walkabout - that's how it works!  The poor kids called on in Morocco were duped, they would have not more idea who Madeleine McCann is than Tia Sharp!  Any more than Madeleine's disappearance would have been reported by the Moroccan media.  Again despite what they may have you believe, it is still very much controlled by the state.  They just do not report such  events as a child who mysteriously disappears whilst holidaying in Portugal with her parents.  As Mitchell would say 'it's ludicrous'!

Frankly I'm surprised they weren't escorted out of the Kingdom by armed guard.  Not because they needed protection but for having the bare faced audacity to visit a country, expect to be treated as royalty, whilst effectively accusing said country of harbouring their 'abducted' child!  Not good for international relations is it?

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Re: M is for Morocco...

Post by tigger on 03.06.15 5:59

On Amazon I found a comment several years ago of a man who said he'd phoned Metodo3 and asked them why on earth they were concentrating on Morocco. 
He quoted M3 as saying: 'Don't ask me - it's the parents' strategy!' 

I'll have a look for it.

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Post by PeterMac on 03.06.15 8:04

I'll save you the trouble
I have redacted the name.   I did speak to him in person and have no doubt that this was correct and accurate.  
He is a native Spanish speaker, so we are not dealing with loss in translation, but with highly nuanced understanding.
I believe he sent it to Grange.

*********** Says: :
February 8th, 2012 at 10:50 am

I can’t believe that nobody seems to have noticed Gerry’s blundering answer when, shortly after Madeleine’s ‘disappearance’, a reporter asked him. This is on record.
Q: ‘What is the purpose of the fund?’
R: It is to continue looking for Madeleine after the official search ends.
He was sure that none of the efforts of the Portuguese Authorities, Polícia Judiciária, Polícia de Segurança Pública, Polícia Marítima, etc. did stand a cat in hell chance of finding the unfortunate child.
The McCanns are the only people that NEVER looked for Madeleine/
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February 8th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

I have said that the McCanns NEVER looked for Madeleine because, while their friends were knocking on doors waking up the dead that evening asking everybody to look for the little girl that ‘had been abducted’, it was later established that her parents never moved from their apartment but were busy deleting compromising calls from their mobiles. (This is on record too).
When it was generally felt that the McCanns were not doing enough to find Madeleine and no Portuguese detective agency would touch them, they resorted to a well-known Barcelona Agency to which they paid a substantial sum (€50,000 from memory. It was not their money, was it?). The Agency immediately made a big song and dance of informing the world that they knew Madeleine was being held in Morocco and they were going to get her. I was furious.

It took me a while but in the end I managed to speak to the Managing Director in clear Spanish. I asked how was it that a Detective Agency of their standing could make such a ridiculous assertion making it known ‘they knew Madeleine was held in Morocco and they were going to get her’. He tried to wriggle out of it but in the end he said ‘DON’T ASK ME. THAT’S THE PARENTS STRATEGY’.
I am in no doubt that the truth will be known and Justice will be done IN THE END. It is doubly unfortunate that the ‘incident’ took place at the start of the Algarve tourist season so crucial for the Portuguese economy. Otherwise the Judiciária would have cut out all the pussyfooting from the outset.


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Cyr Jiminez - and his phone call to Metodo 3

Post by Tony Bennett on 03.06.15 8:06

tigger wrote:On Amazon I found a comment several years ago of a man who said he'd phoned Metodo3 and asked them why on earth they were concentrating on Morocco. 

He quoted M3 as saying: 'Don't ask me - it's the parents' strategy!' 

I'll have a look for it.
@ tigger

I think you might be thinking of these comments made by one Cyr Jiminez - not on Amazon, but on one of Steve Marsden's sites (FakedAbduction.com) - though maybe Cyr Jiminez also posted on Amazon:


Cyr Jimenez Says:
February 8th, 2012 at 10:50 am

I can’t believe that nobody seems to have noticed Gerry’s blundering answer when, shortly after Madeleine’s ‘disappearance’, a reporter asked him. This is on record.
Q: ‘What is the purpose of the fund?’
R: It is to continue looking for Madeleine after the official search ends.
He was sure that none of the efforts of the Portuguese Authorities, Polícia Judiciária, Polícia de Segurança Pública, Polícia Marítima, etc. did stand a cat in hell chance of finding the unfortunate child.
The McCanns are the only people that NEVER looked for Madeleine


Cyr Jimenez Says:
February 8th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

I have said that the McCanns NEVER looked for Madeleine because, while their friends were knocking on doors waking up the dead that evening asking everybody to look for the little girl that ‘had been abducted’, it was later established that her parents never moved from their apartment but were busy deleting compromising calls from their mobiles. (This is on record too).
When it was generally felt that the McCanns were not doing enough to find Madeleine and no Portuguese detective agency would touch them, they resorted to a well-known Barcelona Agency to which they paid a substantial sum (€50,000 from memory. It was not their money, was it?). The Agency immediately made a big song and dance of informing the world that they knew Madeleine was being held in Morocco and they were going to get her. I was furious. It took me a while but in the end I managed to speak to the Managing Director in clear Spanish. I asked how was it that a Detective Agency of their standing could make such a ridiculous assertion making it known ‘they knew Madeleine was held in Morocco and they were going to get her’. He tried to wriggle out of it but in the end he said ‘DON’T ASK ME. THAT’S THE PARENTS STRATEGY’.
I am in no doubt that the truth will be known and Justice will be done IN THE END. It is doubly unfortunate that the ‘incident’ took place at the start of the Algarve tourist season so crucial for the Portuguese economy. Otherwise the Judiciária would have cut out all the pussyfooting from the outset.



By the way, Gary Hagland maintained to me that he was hired by Brian Kennedy in September 2007 - after the McCanns returned from Portugal - and immediately started working on publicity about Madeleine in Morocco. However, there are certain lines of evidence (including missbeetle's musings above) which suggest that both Hagland and Brian Kennedy were working on the Moroccan strategy long before that.


P.S. Welcome back, by the way, to the world's most popular Madeleine McCann discussion forum  winkwink  winkwink

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Post by BlueBag on 03.06.15 8:24

R: It is to continue looking for Madeleine after the official search ends.

No more needs to be said.
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On the trail of Madeleine in Morocco...

Post by missbeetle on 03.06.15 9:11

These kind and intrepid English housewives risked arrest and travelled in a cart to search Marrakesh for Madeleine :






Puts the parents' (in their strange black and white suits) trip a week later to shame, it really does.

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Re: M is for Morocco...

Post by Joss on 03.06.15 9:18

What is it with the McCann's & Religion?


Date

Brief overview of events

10 June 2007




Kate and Gerry attend morning mass in Praia da Luz.

 

Late in the afternoon they drive up to Lisbon to catch a flight to Casablanca, where embassy officials meet them at the start of their trip to Morocco.




11 June 2007



Kate and Gerry spend the day in Rabat meeting British ambassador Charles Gray, Morocco's most senior police officer Charqi Draiss, the Interior Minister Mohamed Benaissa as well as representatives from 3 child welfare groups, including Touche Pas Mes Enfants (Do Not Touch my Children), an organisation set up two years ago to tackle paedophilia.

 

As well as the meetings, the McCanns visited the National Observatory for Children's Rights. As they pulled up in the car there were about 150 children waving posters of Madeleine with the words 'All Moroccan Children Are With You Madeleine - Madeleine: Back Home'.

 

[size=13][size=13]The McCanns also did a couple of interviews for ITV and Sky focussing on a change in the phase of the campaign. They confirmed that there would be a period of reflection before they decided on the best role for themselves.[/size][/size]

12 June 2007



Kate and Gerry [size=13]finish off their trip to Morocco with a private visit to the minister for religious affairs in the morning. [/size]

 

[size=13]They arrive back in Praia da Luz in the afternoon.[/size]

 

[size=13]At night they [/size][size=13]go to church for prayers.[/size]



http://www.mccannfiles.com/id206.html

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