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Re: Discrepancy about the McCann twins being in the Creche on Thursday morning

Post by HelenMeg on 29.07.14 10:31

We do see an extraordinary amount of calls start to occur on 1st May on Kate's phone in the evening - see brief summary below :


KM
01-May01-May
10.16
11.56
12.17
19.45
20.31
20.33
20.35
20.37
22.16
22.23
22.23
22.24
22.25
22.27
GMRM
02-May02-May
8.07
8.07
9.02
9.10
9.13
9.18
10.35
10.47
11.38
12.35
13.25
13.46
13.48
13.59
15.44
15.49
15.50
17.49
19.49
20.14

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Re: Discrepancy about the McCann twins being in the Creche on Thursday morning

Post by HelenMeg on 29.07.14 10:43

Briefly - just look at the summary of GM's phone usage below. If you had to lay a bet on when an untoward incident occurred - at what time would you say it occurred? Me - I would go for anytime between Midday 1st and 8am 2nd May (based on Kate and Gerry's call logs): 

GM
282930123
8.07
8.07
9.10
9.13
9.18
10.1310.35
10.47
12.3512.24
13.46
13.48
13.59
15.49
15.50
17.49
19.49
20.14
23.14
23.17
23.40
23.52
red / VM
black / calls
no calls
same as Kate
alarm is raised

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Re: Discrepancy about the McCann twins being in the Creche on Thursday morning

Post by HelenMeg on 29.07.14 10:54

Have to say that phone thread is brilliant - very very interesting with excellent sleuthing going on.  Worth a read to refresh memory on phone activities etc.

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Post by Carrry On Doctor on 29.07.14 11:03

Can anyone confirm when Robert Murat booked his flight back over, and wasn't there a simultaneous period when both RM and GM phones were off ?
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Re: Discrepancy about the McCann twins being in the Creche on Thursday morning

Post by Guest on 29.07.14 11:09

@HelenMeg wrote:Briefly - just look at the summary of GM's phone usage below. If you had to lay a bet on when an untoward incident occurred - at what time would you say it occurred? Me - I would go for anytime between Midday 1st and 8am 2nd May (based on Kate and Gerry's call logs): 

GM
282930123
8.07
8.07
9.10
9.13
9.18
10.1310.35
10.47
12.3512.24
13.46
13.48
13.59
15.49
15.50
17.49
19.49
20.14
23.14
23.17
23.40
23.52
red / VM
black / calls
no calls
same as Kate
alarm is raised

GM's calls there on the 2nd sure do look like hourly / two hourly updates.
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Post by BlueBag on 29.07.14 11:22

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:Briefly - just look at the summary of GM's phone usage below. If you had to lay a bet on when an untoward incident occurred - at what time would you say it occurred? Me - I would go for anytime between Midday 1st and 8am 2nd May (based on Kate and Gerry's call logs): 

GM
282930123
8.07
8.07
9.10
9.13
9.18
10.1310.35
10.47
12.3512.24
13.46
13.48
13.59
15.49
15.50
17.49
19.49
20.14
23.14
23.17
23.40
23.52
red / VM
black / calls
no calls
same as Kate
alarm is raised

GM's calls there on the 2nd sure do look like hourly / two hourly updates.

I remember an extensive thread about this from years ago on the 3As forum (I did a lot of work on that one).

The two hourly thing was something that Vodaphone did simply because Gerry had his phone switched on all day for almost the first time that week.

He was texted reminders every two hours that he had voice mail (or something).
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Re: Discrepancy about the McCann twins being in the Creche on Thursday morning

Post by Nina on 29.07.14 14:39

@HelenMeg wrote:We do see an extraordinary amount of calls start to occur on 1st May on Kate's phone in the evening - see brief summary below :


KM
01-May01-May
10.16
11.56
12.17
19.45
20.31
20.33
20.35
20.37
22.16
22.23
22.23
22.24
22.25
22.27
GMRM
02-May02-May
8.07
8.07
9.02
9.10
9.13
9.18
10.35
10.47
11.38
12.35
13.25
13.46
13.48
13.59
15.44
15.49
15.50
17.49
19.49
20.14

And on that very night, the 1st May, Mrs Pamela Fenn heard a child crying, getting more and more distressed from 22.30, for one hour and 15 minutes.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id331.html#fenn1

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Re: Discrepancy about the McCann twins being in the Creche on Thursday morning

Post by j.rob on 29.07.14 16:24

I wonder what Kate and Gerry did on on the Saturday and Sunday evenings?  In her book, Kate writes how the whole group with their children ate at the Millennium restaurant on Saturday evening. Given the ages of the children, and the fact that the flights had been early enough to get them to the resort by 3pm, I would imagine this to have been an early dinner. 

Kate writes in her book that after eating everyone was feeling pretty tired so they went back to the apartment where the children's night-time routine was followed 'an hour behind the normal schedule'. So does that mean 7.30pm - 8.30pm, rather than 6.30pm - 7.30pm ish?

Kate writes that "with Madeleine and the twins settled, Gerry and I chatted and read for a while before going to sleep ourselves. The holiday had got off to a good start, and we felt mellow and content."

This account is not consistent with how the couple claim they spent the following evenings. Therefore I am suspicious of it. There is no indication that Gerry wanted to stay in the apartment with his family during the evenings. He appears to have wanted to socialize. And he is described as very gregarious. After a day of travelling with three small children, you would imagine he might be going a bit 'stir crazy' and want a few nightcaps with some mates just to chill out a bit.

Why would the Saturday night be different to the others? Usually the first night of a holiday, guests are quite excited and I can't imagine Gerry not wanting to take full advantage of the free vino supplied with dinner.

"Everyone had a good night's sleep and the next morning, Sunday 29th April, we woke up bright and early and feeling refreshed."

A very tame start to the holiday for  Gerry who, every other evening was the life and soul of the party, if would seem, enjoying socializing with the other Tapas adults and other guests generally. Would he and probably Kate too not have wanted to pop out for a night-cap or two once they had managed to get the children to sleep? Seeing as they did not feel the need to hire babysitters, there was nothing to stop them from socializing a bit with their friends on the first evening?

I wonder whether there was any evening welcome drinks laid on for adults on Saturday night at the Ocean Club? Or any other type of entertainment/event that evening that the McCanns or the Tapas might have gone to? Sometimes staff come around in resorts and introduce themselves and see who is interested in signing up for various activities over the course of the week?

Sunday evening, Kate writes in her book how all the adults ate at the Tapas restaurant, as they were to do every evening from then on. It would appear that there was a quiz organized on Sunday evenings at the Tapas at 9pm. 

"Najoua Chekaya arrived in Portugal on March 2007, recruited in England to work for Mark Warner, according to her statement to the PJ, in May 2007. Just a curiosity, the translator was Robert Murat. She described her daily working routine, as an aerobics instructor and said that when she arrived at Ocean Club, she was asked also to perform a "Quiz Game", at night (09:00 pm), at the Tapas Bar, twice a week – every Sunday and Tuesday."


"On May 1, 2007, after the "Quiz" was finished, Najoua was invited by Gerry McCann to sit at their table, to have a drink. She was there for 15/20 minutes, between 9.30 and 9:50 pm. There was just casual talk and she doesn't know if Madeleine's mother was at the table or not.
 
During that period of time, nobody left the table, but there was an empty chair. Who has been sitting at that chair, Najoua didn't know.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id156.html

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Post by j.rob on 29.07.14 16:46

What does Kate write about the evening of Tuesday 1st May?

"Only two minor aspects of that evening stand out as differing from the norm. The first was that Russell didn't join us for dinner. Evie wasn't well so he stayed with the girls in the apartment and Jane took his meal to him there. The second was that some time in the early hours Madeleine came through to our bedroom, complaining that Amelie was crying and had woken her up. Gerry checked on Amelie, who settled quickly, and we let Madeleine jump into bed with us."

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Post by aquila on 29.07.14 16:52

@j.rob wrote:What does Kate write about the evening of Tuesday 1st May?

"Only two minor aspects of that evening stand out as differing from the norm. The first was that Russell didn't join us for dinner. Evie wasn't well so he stayed with the girls in the apartment and Jane took his meal to him there. The second was that some time in the early hours Madeleine came through to our bedroom, complaining that Amelie was crying and had woken her up. Gerry checked on Amelie, who settled quickly, and we let Madeleine jump into bed with us."
Didn't the McParents hear Amelie crying then? Did it take Madeleine to wake them up to tell them?

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
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Post by PeterMac on 29.07.14 17:00

@aquila wrote:
@j.rob wrote:What does Kate write about the evening of Tuesday 1st May?
"Only two minor aspects of that evening stand out as differing from the norm. The first was that Russell didn't join us for dinner. Evie wasn't well so he stayed with the girls in the apartment and Jane took his meal to him there. The second was that some time in the early hours Madeleine came through to our bedroom, complaining that Amelie was crying and had woken her up. Gerry checked on Amelie, who settled quickly, and we let Madeleine jump into bed with us."
Didn't the McParents hear Amelie crying then? Did it take Madeleine to wake them up to tell them ?
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

The book is not merely Prosecution Exhibit KH 1, it is more like a suicide note.
Everything she writes digs them all deeper into the mire,
Every time she mentions Gerry she implicates him more fully
Everything she says of the Tapas 7 pulls them deeper into a conspiracy

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Re: Discrepancy about the McCann twins being in the Creche on Thursday morning

Post by j.rob on 29.07.14 17:07

@aquila wrote:
@j.rob wrote:What does Kate write about the evening of Tuesday 1st May?

"Only two minor aspects of that evening stand out as differing from the norm. The first was that Russell didn't join us for dinner. Evie wasn't well so he stayed with the girls in the apartment and Jane took his meal to him there. The second was that some time in the early hours Madeleine came through to our bedroom, complaining that Amelie was crying and had woken her up. Gerry checked on Amelie, who settled quickly, and we let Madeleine jump into bed with us."
Didn't the McParents hear Amelie crying then? Did it take Madeleine to wake them up to tell them?

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

I *think* that this account is given to:

a) to forestall Mrs Fenn reporting the crying incident. The Mcs could claim that what Mrs Fenn  heard was Amelie crying and she was mistaken about the timing.

b) to have Madeleine as well, happy and content in the early hours, despite Mrs Fenn having heard a child who seemed to be older than a two year old crying out in distress for over an hour earlier in the evening.

c) to demonstrate that they were loving, caring parents who checked on their crying children (despite evidence to the contrary) and were happy for their children hop into their bed if they were disturbed in the night.

d) to possibly place Amelie (and, perhaps, by definition Sean as well) as being sleeping in the apartment that evening/night when perhaps one or both of the twins were elsewhere that evening/night. (And it would be surprising if they had not been disturbed by the hour and a quarter of distressed crying - assuming it was Madeleine.)

e) to place either Kate or Gerry (or even both - who knows?!) as being in the apartment that evening/night when either one or both were somewhere else. This might especially be the case if some tragedy/accident/sudden illness had occurred. Which would also be a reason for the twins not being in the apartment that evening.

In my opinion. Just some ideas.

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Post by j.rob on 29.07.14 17:10

@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:
@j.rob wrote:What does Kate write about the evening of Tuesday 1st May?
"Only two minor aspects of that evening stand out as differing from the norm. The first was that Russell didn't join us for dinner. Evie wasn't well so he stayed with the girls in the apartment and Jane took his meal to him there. The second was that some time in the early hours Madeleine came through to our bedroom, complaining that Amelie was crying and had woken her up. Gerry checked on Amelie, who settled quickly, and we let Madeleine jump into bed with us."
Didn't the McParents hear Amelie crying then? Did it take Madeleine to wake them up to tell them ?
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

The book is not merely Prosecution Exhibit KH 1, it is more like a suicide note.
Everything she writes digs them all deeper into the mire,
Every time she mentions Gerry she implicates him more fully
Everything she says of the Tapas 7 pulls them deeper into a conspiracy

Yes, it is nothing if not macabre. What were they thinking? Sheer madness, imo.

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Post by PeterMac on 29.07.14 17:34

So we have
Madeleine complaining about Sean crying on the night of 1st - whilst the parents were in bed
Mrs Fenn reporting crying for a hour and half on the night of 1st - before the parents were there
Madeleine complaining on morning of 3rd about Sean and Madeleine crying during the evening of 2rd - before the parents were there
and this reported to Tapas friends on 3rd

So the pattern emerges that the children were crying their hearts out every night ?
And as we know this in the only aspect of their general well being that the parents were interested in - listening at windows and doors for crying
no one interested in the sound of a child drowning in its own vomit, or suffocating quietly having tried to climb out of its cot,
or having its delicate parts burned by the ammonia given off from a badly soiled nappy -

And despite that the parents YET AGAIN, for the FIFTH NIGHT IN SUCCESSION left them in a cold dark insecure apartment on 3rd, 'Increasing" the frequency of the checks to half hourly ?

Sorry. I simply do not believe it. Even of the McCanns, and slightly less of the 7 other parents

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Post by worriedmum on 29.07.14 17:37

Compare it to Gerry McCann's arguido statement about the same night.

Arguido questioning of Gerald Patrick McCann, on the 7th of September 2007, at 4.05 p.m.

Processos Vol IV, pages 2569-2578
Location: CID Portimão
When asked, he says that on one night, he cannot say which, Madeleine slept in his room and in his bed. He thinks it might have been shortly after their arrival at the apartment. Madeleine came to his room saying that Amelie was crying and she couldn’t sleep. He thinks that he didn’t hear the crying before, and was alerted to this by Madeleine. He does not know if it was him or his wife that comforted Amelie. That night Madeleine slept in his bed.

Can any Portuguese speaker tell me if there is any linguistic reason for 'his room' and 'his bed' ?
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Post by aquila on 29.07.14 17:38

@PeterMac wrote:So we have
Madeleine complaining about Sean crying on the night of 1st - whilst the parents were in bed
Mrs Fenn reporting crying for a hour and half on the night of 1st - before the parents were there
Madeleine complaining on morning of 3rd about Sean and Madeleine crying during the evening of 2rd - before the parents were there
and this reported to Tapas friends on 3rd

So the pattern emerges that the children were crying their hearts out every night ?
And as we know this in the only aspect of their general well being that the parents were interested in - listening at windows and doors for crying
no one interested in the sound of a child drowning in its own vomit, or suffocating quietly having tried to climb out of its cot,
or having its delicate parts burned by the ammonia given off from a badly soiled nappy -

And despite that the parents YET AGAIN, for the FIFTH NIGHT IN SUCCESSION left them in a cold dark insecure apartment on 3rd, 'Increasing" the frequency of the checks to half hourly ?

Sorry.  I simply do not believe it.  Even of the McCanns, and slightly less of the 7 other parents
I don't believe it either and as far as I'm aware I still have the right to say that.
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Post by Carrry On Doctor on 29.07.14 18:49

@PeterMac wrote:
@admin wrote:
McMINUTE DISCREPANCIES: Who picked up Madeleine from the creche on Thursday?
Just to Purport a possible answer

No one.
Madeleine died on the night of Wednesday / Thursday,
was concealed and taken away from the apartment during the Achillles Tendon / Paraiso / jogging afternoon of Thursday 3rd, having spent the morning in the blue bag.  
The bag was used for transport and was then replaced on the shelf where the dog alerted some months later. It was later "Whooshed"
She was therefore not present at any creche, breakfast club, lunch trip, high tea or anywhere else, and crucially was not seen by anyone else during Thursday 3rd
Or possibly NOT, as the case may be.
 
We shall have to wait for the new book to find out what "really" happened.
Peter, could you please explain why you think MBM died on the Wednesday night ? On this thread Hi-deho suggests it is Sunday or Monday due to no sightings/evidence of MBM after that date and also this is when unusual behaviour started.

As a much respected member, why do you go for Wednesday specifically ?
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Post by Hicks on 29.07.14 19:21

Miss Chekeya was invited to join GM at his table sometime between 9.30-9.50 on the Tuesday night. Miss Chekeya said in her statement that there was one place setting unused and she could not remember seeing Kate McCann so Kate was probably back in the apartment by 10.00 or just after.

Between 22.16 and 22.27 KM phone was activated six times in rapid fire, probably whilst in 5a. Was she phoning a friend complaining about her useless husband who was now flirting? The husband who also left her to constantly look after three children, one a real handful who now wouldn't stop crying?
 
Mrs Fenn stated that the crying started 22.30, Madeleine crying for her father. Did Madeleine know her mother was already in the flat? It is highly likely that she heard her mother enter 5a as she was obviously not asleep.  Perhaps Kate had told her to be quiet, or had been into the children's bedroom shouting at her to go back to sleep. Kate would have been stressed, upset, angry with GM for ignoring her and possibly flirting with the pretty Quiz master. 
Madeleine continued crying for over an hour.....then suddenly the crying stopped as the doors were opened. Could it be that someone went out instead of entering? Imo this is the time that Madeleine sadly died.

On the Wednesday morning KM was up very early on the phone to her friend Amanda( who's husband is a pathologist). According to the phone records there are no details of how long these calls lasted or whether they were SMSs, they were all deleted. Also on the Wednesday Kate received that call from a landline in Swansea. This was the day that help from the UK was mobilized imo. 

On the Tuesday evening, and the Wednesday it is possible to see a pattern of events. An outburst of uncontrolled temper, frustration and anger perhaps unleashed onto Madeleine, who was on the receiving end.

GM stands by his wife as no doubt she has told him that he is equally guilty as his actions that night drove her to such an extreme.

The McCann's must know people in power, or know bad things about people in power, or have had intimate dealings of some kind with people in power to get the protection they have enjoyed.

All my opinion. not factual.

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Post by HelenMeg on 29.07.14 21:34

Hicks@:On the Wednesday morning KM was up very early on the phone to her friend Amanda( who's husband is a pathologist).

I remember that she made this call at around 6am in the morning. This HAS to indicate something had happened by then. It is absurd that she would have made such a call whilst on a family holiday
with friends. Something had gone wrong by then. I wonder if her friend was interviewed and revealed the contents of the call. Whatever she said must have been revealing.

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Post by Hicks on 29.07.14 21:56

@HelenMeg wrote:Hicks@:On the Wednesday morning KM was up very early on the phone to her friend Amanda( who's husband is a pathologist).

I remember that she made this call at around 6am in the morning. This HAS to indicate something had happened by then. It is absurd that she would have made such a call whilst on a family holiday
with friends. Something had gone wrong by then. I wonder if her friend was interviewed and revealed the contents of the call. Whatever she said must have been revealing.
HelenMeg, yes, Wednesday looks like the day the panic sets in going by the early phone activity.

Amanda Jane Coxon also worked for the McCann's as a cleaner.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMANDA-COXON.htm. Here is her witness statement.

This has been discussed previously, the fact that she worked for them in 2000, BEFORE, the children came along. Then after.

Amanda says that they all became 'close'. Also that Kate (where have I heard this before!) was 'calm and serene' with the children....'I never heard her raise her voice to Madeleine, or become irritated with her.

Bit odd about the nose bleed....'I was never present at any episode where Madeleine bled, other than a normal nose bleed when *she inserted her finger into her nose and bled*...huh?

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Post by HelenMeg on 29.07.14 22:05

@Hicks wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:Hicks@:On the Wednesday morning KM was up very early on the phone to her friend Amanda( who's husband is a pathologist).

I remember that she made this call at around 6am in the morning. This HAS to indicate something had happened by then. It is absurd that she would have made such a call whilst on a family holiday
with friends. Something had gone wrong by then. I wonder if her friend was interviewed and revealed the contents of the call. Whatever she said must have been revealing.
HelenMeg, yes, Wednesday looks like the day the panic sets in going by the early phone activity.

Amanda Jane Coxon also worked for the McCann's as a cleaner.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMANDA-COXON.htm. Here is her witness statement.

This has been discussed previously, the fact that she worked for them in 2000, BEFORE, the children came along. Then after.

Amanda says that they all became 'close'. Also that Kate (where have I heard this before!) was 'calm and serene' with the children....'I never heard her raise her voice to Madeleine, or become irritated with her.

Bit odd about the nose bleed....'I was never present at any episode where Madeleine bled, other than a normal nose bleed when *she inserted her finger into her nose and bled*...huh?
Thanks Hicks. Reading through her statement there is no reference to any phone call that Kate made to her.

The fact that Amanda's husband was a pathologist may or may not be relevant. It seems likely perhaps that Kate and Gerry met Amanda through Amanda's husbands NHS connections as a pathologist.
A brief look at pathology in wiki - inter-related medical specialties which diagnose disease mostly through the analysis of tissue, cell, and body fluid samples. A physician practicing pathology is called a pathologist.

So ref. body fluids, they may have panicked and thought phoning up Amanda to speak to her husband may have given them some useful info about how they could ensure body fluids were erased.  But surely this would have been too risky - although Kate might have been panicking and acting impulsively...


Whatever, phoning Amanda so early in the morning whilst on a 'lovely' family holiday is so odd that it indicates something bad had occurred.

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Post by HelenMeg on 29.07.14 22:10

Another interesting discrepancy is that :
* The cleaner states that she saw a cot in the McCann's bedroom Wednesday morning and yet Kate AND Gerry deny it...WHY?

taken courtesy of http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/DIscrepancies-by-Topic/DISCREPANCY-LIST-1-829580.html (HideHo)

If true, this fits with theory of death on Tuesday night - moving cot into their bedroom out the way.

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Re: Discrepancy about the McCann twins being in the Creche on Thursday morning

Post by HelenMeg on 29.07.14 22:13

More interesting discrepancies from this site:aken courtesy of http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/DIscrepancies-by-Topic/DISCREPANCY-LIST-1-829580.html

* 11min 42 sec phone call on May 4th made to an ex-directory landline in Leicester. That number belongs to Dr Paul Whitaker, a pathologist at University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust. Same address as Amanda Coxon

* Madeleine's bed looks barely used. Cleaner made beds Wednesday morning so she SHOULD have slept in it on Wednesday night

* MO was 'supposedly' going to Paynes to 'chivy' them up but Dianne did NOT see him in her first statement but 'remembered' in the Rogatory that David and Fiona had reminded her. They ALL describe a different place they passed each other.

* Kate states DP visit as short and he didn't enter. DP says he entered through the patio doors and spent some time (with a long diatribe describing the children)

* FP finally admitted to the police that she could not confirm DP's whereabouts between 6.00pm and 7.00pm at the men's social.

* FP states DP returned to the apartment at 7.10pm but DP says he was playing tennis until nearly 8.00pm

* FP states they were back by 7pm but Rachael says differently)

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Re: Discrepancy about the McCann twins being in the Creche on Thursday morning

Post by HelenMeg on 29.07.14 22:35

Back to the Paul Whitaker, pathologist, boyfriend of Amanda - looking back at other threads here and re-visiting contributions from Bobbin:

  The Paul Whittaker, lied about gaining a Ph.D, which brought on the disciplinary investigation. He had gained a post at Leicester Infirmary based on this lie, and cheated on his colleagues, which destroys any trust in him.
He left Leics and moved to Abergavenny (before the hearing was complete) which is less than an hour from Cardiff, even less to Newport.
Where was that phone number of Kate's for Wales....does the dialling code tally with Abergavenny area.
He also was connected with the Southampton University Hospital Trust. Funny how that Dr. Leal (the Lying programme) was attached to Southampton University.... connected at all?
It's worth reading the court transcript at this site :-

http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hpc-uk.org%2Fassets%2Fdocuments%2F10000AF1FTP00092RichardWhitaker.pdf&ei=kWL3UuXbEeKH0AW0ioH4CA&usg=AFQjCNG0usR0O7EtJtp-0TOGrRXWNz64zw&bvm=bv.60983673,d.d2k

ETA, http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/dr-paul-whittaker/17/329/555 There is also this Paul Whittaker, apparently there are several, so we need to be sure which one is being referred to. Nevertheless, the Paul Whittaker, also known as Richard Paul Whittaker of Leicester Infirmary, did go through a disciplinary investigation and court judgement.


So, if this Whitaker is indeed the one that Kate phoned (via Amanda) then its very interesting. It is very likely that Gerry knew Paul Whitaker via Leicester NHS / uni (also David Payne)  connections.  It is possible that they would call him for advice and be able to rely on his discretion through their past.

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Post by Dr What on 29.07.14 23:03

As many have said before, there are many avenues that we are being 'invited' to go down in trying to 'solve' this case.
The only two things I believe are:
That the world was told, by those closest to her, that Maddie went 'missing' from 5A and that:
Trained dogs indicated that both blood and cadaver odour remained in 5A.

I believe that the McCanns know that they are nearly 'home and dry' in respect of ever being FORMALLY charged in connection with her disappearance.They believe that there will never be any evidence to connect them.The likes of Snr. Amaral can be constrained by endless legal action, and as long as the UK public never reads his book or the official files, then they can live with this.There will always be an answer for any inconsistency in any statements given over 7 years ago.
However, the one area that will not go away for them, and which the public will not forget, concerns the dogs.Everyone knows that these dogs rarely get it wrong.Hence, to convince the UK public of the McCanns innocence,once and for all, these dogs need to be discredited.Permanently.

But they will not be able to discredit them.It just will not wash with the public.The public generally trusts dogs.Despite all the best legal minds acting for them, all the money in the world available to them, these sad and lonely parents are doomed to live in a world of isolation, never daring to look another in the eye.This is the future that they have created for themselves.

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