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Post by Brian Griffin on 15.09.14 14:06

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@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Richard D Hall's films are fantastic. Just addresses the facts thereby leaving the viewer to come to their own conclusions which should be obvious if they watch all 4 hours or so. Like the video of his seminar discussing the films, would love to be party to his full, unrestricted views for his theory.
I am told that some naughty people (I hasten to add that I am not one of them) keep visiting Summers and Swan's Facebook page and adding a link to where you can see Richard Hall's films on YouTube.

Summers and Swan have to keep checking on their page to remove the links regularly during the day.

I have to say that it is utterly outrageous that when the mainstream British print and TV media have rubber-stamped the claim by Summers and Swan and their publishers that theirs is 'the most definitive account possible' of the disappearance of Madeleine McCanm, that anyone should be allowed to give a link to any film that disagrees with their conclusions.

Especially if it goes on for 4.5 hours and mentions hundreds of very inconvenient facts.

Hanging is too good for such people. They should be rounded up, tortured, and only then hung, drawn and quartered:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4o24jRjOy4
It's just a question of will I think. The same thing is going on on Amazon. People are posting short, one or five star reviews on the book. I would imagine it's only a matter of time before Amazon gets fed up, but I wonder whether they will delete all these reviews that are obviously just comment y people who haven't read the book, or will they just leave the positive ones for show? We shall see. I wouldn't like to be S or S in this situation, frankly. I'm not sure what they thought they were going to achieve by writing such a book, but I imagine they will be hounded for a very long time over it. I wonder whether they would have written it, had they known it would receive such a negative reaction? By their over-use of the word 'haters', logic would suggest they did. In my opinion.

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Post by Brian Griffin on 15.09.14 14:08

@Doug D wrote:Why is it that we cannot see the same situation right in front of our eyes, even when ‘Pinky’ tells us that his job is to do exactly that?
We can! It's t'others.

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Post by aiyoyo on 15.09.14 19:32

"Haters" is a strong emotionally loaded word.

The Mcs use of it reflect their hatred at those who seen through them.  They can't stomach their disbelievers so turn round and use it on them, best put down as them being personal about it.  There is no reason for S&S to be personal over Mccanns disbelievers.   Not unless they are personally affected by negative directed against the Mccanns, which would be a complete mystery why they need to be personally over protective of the Mcs, a couple they met only once.

As an analogy if haters is the word to describe critics then the country is full of haters against David Cameron.  Surely DC would not like think of his critics as haters. 


It's a very bad choice of word that reflects user's emotion more than anything else.
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Post by pennylane on 15.09.14 20:19

@aiyoyo wrote:"Haters" is a strong emotionally loaded word.

The Mcs use of it reflect their hatred at those who seen through them.  They can't stomach their disbelievers so turn round and use it on them, best put down as them being personal about it.  There is no reason for S&S to be personal over Mccanns disbelievers.   Not unless they are personally affected by negative directed against the Mccanns, which would be a complete mystery why they need to be personally over protective of the Mcs, a couple they met only once.

As an analogy if haters is the word to describe critics then the country is full of haters against David Cameron.  Surely DC would not like think of his critics as haters. 


It's a very bad choice of word that reflects user's emotion more than anything else.


Interesting that McCann supporter, Jim Gamble, is always harping on about 'the haters' too, especially since he was the one who promoted this allegedly 'unbiased book' on Sky News. winkwink
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Post by Naz_Nomad on 15.09.14 20:32

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Richard D Hall's films are fantastic. Just addresses the facts thereby leaving the viewer to come to their own conclusions which should be obvious if they watch all 4 hours or so. Like the video of his seminar discussing the films, would love to be party to his full, unrestricted views for his theory.
I am told that some naughty people (I hasten to add that I am not one of them) keep visiting Summers and Swan's Facebook page and adding a link to where you can see Richard Hall's films on YouTube.

Summers and Swan have to keep checking on their page to remove the links regularly during the day.

I have to say that it is utterly outrageous that when the mainstream British print and TV media have rubber-stamped the claim by Summers and Swan and their publishers that theirs is 'the most definitive account possible' of the disappearance of Madeleine McCanm, that anyone should be allowed to give a link to any film that disagrees with their conclusions.

Especially if it goes on for 4.5 hours and mentions hundreds of very inconvenient facts.

Hanging is too good for such people. They should be rounded up, tortured, and only then hung, drawn and quartered:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4o24jRjOy4

I cannot tell a lie.  I have never commented and put a link (several times) on that page. liar

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Post by Naz_Nomad on 15.09.14 20:37

@Doug D wrote:In the ‘good ol’ days’ when the Iron Curtain was in place we (in the ‘civilised’ West) knew and accepted that ‘the oppressed people’ on the 'other side' were given regular doses of tripe from ‘Pravda’ etc and that the vast majority of what was fed to them was pure government propaganda, in order to keep them in line.
 
Why is it that we cannot see the same situation right in front of our eyes, even when ‘Pinky’ tells us that his job is to do exactly that?

Because, like in the old Communist days, Cognitive Dissonance abounds.  People will even say and always have done, "You can't believe everything you read in the papers/see on the telly", yet will use those same papers/television as proof that X really happened "because I read it the paper/saw it on the news".

I used to think The Guardian was probably the most honest and even handed paper around, but now I just see it as a left-wing (ish) version of the Daily Mail.

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Post by unchained melody on 16.09.14 6:47

Good post Naz
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Post by poinksy on 18.09.14 11:52

Definitely the best account of factual evidence so far. Sadly, our police, parliamentary and judicial systems are as bent as a 9 bob note and therefore there is no hope of getting Justice for Madeleine. Poor, poor little girl.
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Post by Brian Griffin on 18.09.14 18:06

Why hasn't the Great McCann Machine tried to suppress these videos? Why haven't they gone after Richard Hall?

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Post by Okeydokey on 18.09.14 20:15

@Brian Griffin wrote:Why hasn't the Great McCann Machine tried to suppress these videos? Why haven't they gone after Richard Hall?

Yes I wondered about that...maybe they have...maybe he's told them to PO...maybe his website is on an American server - like Guido Fawkes?

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Post by espeland on 20.09.14 16:47

@Okeydokey wrote:
@Brian Griffin wrote:Why hasn't the Great McCann Machine tried to suppress these videos? Why haven't they gone after Richard Hall?

Yes I wondered about that...maybe they have...maybe he's told them to PO...maybe his website is on an American server - like Guido Fawkes?  



The servers appear to be in the UK. Given that so much of the DVDs consist of TM, PJ records and named newspaper or TV pieces, it's difficult to see what they can do. Given the high volume of views of the DVDs plus the non-existant sales of the S&S book and the amount of chatter on Twitter, OG will have to think very carefully if they intend to whitewash the case or attempt to swamp news of GA's trial - reaction to that would be very fierce indeed.

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Post by HelenMeg on 22.09.14 12:02

@Brian Griffin wrote:Why hasn't the Great McCann Machine tried to suppress these videos? Why haven't they gone after Richard Hall?
I think that the Great Mc Cann Machine has turned its back on the Mc Canns. It depends who you think belongs to and controls the Great McCann Machine.  The Mc Canns are just a tiny part of it - and certainly dont control it or direct it. IMO.
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Post by Liz Eagles on 22.09.14 12:20

I know it's a little bit naughty but I simply can't resist posting these photos of Clarence - the McCann spokesperson from his Twitter pages.

I'm thinking Mothercare/Saga/Mumsnet for those embarrassing sweaty boob moments and for the second photo I'm thinking hello sailor.

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I love the "deadly poison dart frogs' image.

Sometimes you have to laugh.
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I've heard of people having 'lightbulb moments', but obviously the mere, run of the mill 60 watt with a bayonet fitting is not suitable for Clazza's scheming bright ideas. Just look at his ornate, handsomely Brightonesque lantern! Although it's not very bright is it...?

My apologies for straying offtopic but as Aquila said, sometimes you just have to laugh! lol4
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Post by missbeetle on 23.09.14 0:12

Well spotted, Rose Quartz!

Looks like some sort of dusty rusty Royal Antenna...

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Post by HelenMeg on 23.09.14 9:52

@missbeetle wrote:Well spotted, Rose Quartz!

Looks like some sort of dusty rusty Royal Antenna...
Yes, thanks for pointing it out. Made me laugh this morning.

Have to say that his general appearance has been enhanced now that he is less 'coiffeured'. The more natural hair style  suits him. He certainly looks more relaxed these days now he is less bouffant
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Post by Liz Eagles on 23.09.14 9:58

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Post by plebgate on 23.09.14 10:22

@Doug D wrote:In the ‘good ol’ days’ when the Iron Curtain was in place we (in the ‘civilised’ West) knew and accepted that ‘the oppressed people’ on the 'other side' were given regular doses of tripe from ‘Pravda’ etc and that the vast majority of what was fed to them was pure government propaganda, in order to keep them in line.
 
Why is it that we cannot see the same situation right in front of our eyes, even when ‘Pinky’ tells us that his job is to do exactly that?
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IIRC from the transcript provided of the last libel court hearing, Madam Judge asked Mrs. if she hired/used a media monitoring unit.   It was reported Mrs. answered yes. What was  the Judge thinking by asking that question I wonder?
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Post by Jamming on 23.09.14 10:53

aquila wrote:"Buried by Mainstream Media" - new film due soon: NOW OUT - Page 28 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXN5xQBsjrqvl6ZDJw6bJoh9bVjnDWLfz5VR2ulJC4Kx_6ecNN

Brilliant, But surely it should be Pinky Winky...
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Post by Brian Griffin on 23.09.14 11:57

Ooh, er!

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Post by Brian Griffin on 26.09.14 22:33

I have finally managed to see all 4 segments of this documentary now, and found the 4th part particularly shocking. This case isn't about a little girl going missing at all, is it? In my opinion.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 05.10.14 7:50

@Brian Griffin wrote:I have finally managed to see all 4 segments of this documentary now, and found the 4th part particularly shocking. This case isn't about a little girl going missing at all, is it? In my opinion.
Views of Richard D. Hall's DVDs on YouTube have broken through the 100,000 mark this morning and are still being viewed at the rate of more than one extra view per minute.

Unusually, several people were all so moved when they saw these revealing videos that they independently of each other, all separately uploaded either the whole 4.5-hour documentary or parts of it (see names below).

Below is a table showing:

* number of views for each YouTube vid (in order of popularity)

* the maker

* date the YouTube vid was uploaded

* the links

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21,817 Madeleine McCann Controversy, 8 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4o24jRjOy4

11,945 Madeleine McCann Controversy, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pY5FHP-K20

8,589 Morph314, 13 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIjPcvmVzUo

8,279 ZxrAlienWarrior, 10 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YovQ1TY64Sk

7,310 DianeDi, 12 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpTsMrU-nIk

5,211 ZxrAlienWarrior, 10 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGYselPjtKQ

4,611 Madeleine McCann Controversy, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C_OMY7cBcQ

3,831 ZxrAlienWarrior, 10 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz_-oJCmrtM

3,827 Hideho, 13 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRrwML4gmR8

3,551 Pain and death NWO, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHnIjpO-Tg

3,349 ZxrAlienWarrior, 10 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUbnnbjN90U

2,772 Stu Sydenham, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z3uKRWNDRw

2,408 Madeleine McCann Controversy, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IznVTHf6IDA

2,286 Hideho, 13 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am_wxOftFlA

2,046 Hideho, 14 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdBeWr0yZ7A 

1,904 Pain and death NWO, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1goSfNVlUw

1,792 DeTendresse, 12 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXZedL8tLPU

1,739 Hideho, 14 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFCw23s6Y8A

656 Pain and death NWO, 9 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMR3M1aSquM

583 DeTendresse, 12 Aug 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um_fKJP2ek8&list=PL7XokRTQGgO4PJk0Cbq0frFy9JHFvrRtE

569 DeTendresse, 12 Aug 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZtNR87cJqY&index=3&list=PL7XokRTQGgO4PJk0Cbq0frFy9JHFvrRtE

559 De Tendresse, 12 Aug 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyEGIsBzTxk&list=PL7XokRTQGgO4PJk0Cbq0frFy9JHFvrRtE&index=4

107 Ann Branley, 17 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACG8yCnhieQ&list=UUvSGsk2zco3ULT55FW65ytw

103 Ann Branley, 18 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ueZQufXBO4

99 Ann Branley, 17 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOorSST6tIk

96 Ann Branley, 17 Aug 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJlOlIXjPQc&list=UUvSGsk2zco3ULT55FW65ytw

 
TOTAL - 100,039 Views to 7am, 4 October

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Post by BlueBag on 05.10.14 8:34

I'm watching part 4.

Brian Kennedy.... why?
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Post by PeterMac on 05.10.14 9:26

@Tony Bennett wrote:TOTAL - 100,039 Views to 7am, 4 October

Total sales of book on Amazon 48.

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Post by Guest on 05.10.14 12:58

@BlueBag wrote:I'm watching part 4.

Brian Kennedy.... why?

That was the biggest thing that I took from the videos actually - I mean, I knew the facts of Brian Kennedy's involvement, but still somehow never "got" the reality of it.

I also wondered whether Jiminez Raso and Amaral had any previous.
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