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@Justformaddie wrote:Has Cristobell been banned?
apparently so.  She has said on Facebook that she has been banned.

She's in the 'cooler' for a few days that's all.

Are we allowed to know why Admin?

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@admin wrote:
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@Justformaddie wrote:Has Cristobell been banned?
apparently so.  She has said on Facebook that she has been banned.

She's in the 'cooler' for a few days that's all.

Are we allowed to know why Admin?

Banning is done in alphabetical order and it was her turn.  big grin 

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Post by sharonl 16.08.14 18:00

@Woofer wrote:
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@Woofer wrote:
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@Justformaddie wrote:Has Cristobell been banned?
apparently so.  She has said on Facebook that she has been banned.

She's in the 'cooler' for a few days that's all.

Are we allowed to know why Admin?

Banning is done in alphabetical order and it was her turn.  big grin 

Oh that`s alright then - I should be last !


You'll be fine Woofer, there won't be anyone left to ban you - you'll have to do it yourself  big grin
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Post by Spandex 17.08.14 7:00

I have just watched the documentary - note that I have been following this case from day one, I don't post often. My opinion utterly sinister and compelling I have no doubt that something massive has been covered up I cant wait for future episodes!!

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Post by PeterMac 17.08.14 9:55

Going back a long way - we remember Brunt talking about DNA matches, imminent arrests, and perhaps should not forget this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1560595/Madeleine-McCann-assumed-dead.html
Madeleine McCann assumed dead

By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz12:01AM BST 17 Aug 2007
Portugal's most senior police officer has confirmed that they are now working on the assumption that Madeleine McCann is dead.
Full coverage: Search for Madeleine McCann
Alipio Ribeiro, the national director of the Policia Judiciaria, said the "strongest hypothesis" was that the four-year-old, who has been missing for 15 weeks, was no longer alive but added that his officers were still a "long way" from solving the case.
A sniffer dog was said to have picked up the scent of a body inside the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and it was believed that detectives were holding back a "key clue" that had led them to the conclusion.
Previously they had always insisted that unless there was evidence to the contrary, they would work on the basis that Madeleine was still alive.
Her parents, Kate and Gerry, have been kept in the dark about developments and are still demanding to see what has caused the shift in the investigation.
Mr Ribeiro, who denied that the parents had ever been suspects, said: "This is a very dynamic investigation. We cannot explain everything to them that we are doing."
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After three months of silence from Portuguese police, senior officials, including spokesman Olegario Sousa, have been authorised to give a series of interviews, all of which confirmed they believed Madeleine was probably dead.
Tests were continuing on blood specks found on the walls of the apartment and other forensics, although police have always played down their likely outcome and significance. Reports yesterday claimed that the blood was not that of Madeleine, although sources at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham said that the results were not known.
British forensic experts were still examining evidence gathered in a British-led review of the case but Mr Ribeiro said there was no sign of where it would lead them. He said the motive behind Madeleine's disappearance remained a mystery.
"We are trying to clear up a difficult situation, above all in relation to the motive," he said. "It could have been for money, for revenge, for hate. We don't know."
Asked about the search for the girl, he added: "We have no idea where Madeleine could be."
The comments confirmed the worst fears of Mr and Mrs McCann, who told friends they needed an end to the ordeal, but believed the investigation was back to "square one". A spokesman said that until they were presented with concrete evidence to the contrary, they would continue to believe that Madeleine was still alive.
Mr Ribeiro also confirmed that there were contradictions in the witness statements of three British couples and a woman who were on holiday with the McCanns.
"The contradictions, in themselves, are worth little," he said. "We have to see what their relevance is."
It is believed the friends may be re-interviewed.
As The Daily Telegraph reported earlier this week, police have exhausted all leads and are still no closer to finding Madeleine.
Robert Murat, the only formal suspect questioned in the case, has been ruled out.
However Mr Ribeiro said: "I am optimistic because I believe we will end up understanding everything that happened.
"We recognise the expectation is low. It is not easy. There is a long way yet to go and it would be frivolous of me to say we are near the end."
He criticised officers who had leaked false information to Portuguese newspapers.
He said: "The police should be discreet but there is always someone who talks. Sometimes it is someone who knows nothing and just wants to be a protagonist.
"If I denied everything erroneous that had been published, I would have no time for anything else."
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Post by aiyoyo 17.08.14 11:09

@joyce1938 wrote:Yes its a good thing on here to have people that may have other ideas ,we surely cant believe we have this case all sown up can we ?  Its not good to have the back biting from anyone but it does happen from time to time ,its o k to debate but not to denegrade others at same time . just the rabmblings of an oldish lady . joyce1938

Exactly.
People do debate and have other ideas and opinions - that hasn't been the problem or an issue here.
Knowing when to draw a line is important.  Make your point and move on.
When you keep on labouring on it to score points, rehashing it repeatedly to win your argument or to win side, that goes beyond healthy debate.
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Post by Monty Heck 17.08.14 11:53

@PeterMac wrote:Going back a long way - we remember Brunt talking about DNA matches, imminent arrests, and perhaps should not forget this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1560595/Madeleine-McCann-assumed-dead.html
Madeleine McCann assumed dead

By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz12:01AM BST 17 Aug 2007
Portugal's most senior police officer has confirmed that they are now working on the assumption that Madeleine McCann is dead.
Full coverage: Search for Madeleine McCann
Alipio Ribeiro, the national director of the Policia Judiciaria, said the "strongest hypothesis" was that the four-year-old, who has been missing for 15 weeks, was no longer alive but added that his officers were still a "long way" from solving the case.
A sniffer dog was said to have picked up the scent of a body inside the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and it was believed that detectives were holding back a "key clue" that had led them to the conclusion.
Previously they had always insisted that unless there was evidence to the contrary, they would work on the basis that Madeleine was still alive.
Her parents, Kate and Gerry, have been kept in the dark about developments and are still demanding to see what has caused the shift in the investigation.
Mr Ribeiro, who denied that the parents had ever been suspects, said: "This is a very dynamic investigation. We cannot explain everything to them that we are doing."
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Madeleine McCann's parents want 'showdown' 15 Aug 2007
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After three months of silence from Portuguese police, senior officials, including spokesman Olegario Sousa, have been authorised to give a series of interviews, all of which confirmed they believed Madeleine was probably dead.
Tests were continuing on blood specks found on the walls of the apartment and other forensics, although police have always played down their likely outcome and significance. Reports yesterday claimed that the blood was not that of Madeleine, although sources at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham said that the results were not known.
British forensic experts were still examining evidence gathered in a British-led review of the case but Mr Ribeiro said there was no sign of where it would lead them. He said the motive behind Madeleine's disappearance remained a mystery.
"We are trying to clear up a difficult situation, above all in relation to the motive," he said. "It could have been for money, for revenge, for hate. We don't know."
Asked about the search for the girl, he added: "We have no idea where Madeleine could be."
The comments confirmed the worst fears of Mr and Mrs McCann, who told friends they needed an end to the ordeal, but believed the investigation was back to "square one". A spokesman said that until they were presented with concrete evidence to the contrary, they would continue to believe that Madeleine was still alive.
Mr Ribeiro also confirmed that there were contradictions in the witness statements of three British couples and a woman who were on holiday with the McCanns.
"The contradictions, in themselves, are worth little," he said. "We have to see what their relevance is."
It is believed the friends may be re-interviewed.
As The Daily Telegraph reported earlier this week, police have exhausted all leads and are still no closer to finding Madeleine.
Robert Murat, the only formal suspect questioned in the case, has been ruled out.
However Mr Ribeiro said: "I am optimistic because I believe we will end up understanding everything that happened.
"We recognise the expectation is low. It is not easy. There is a long way yet to go and it would be frivolous of me to say we are near the end."
He criticised officers who had leaked false information to Portuguese newspapers.
He said: "The police should be discreet but there is always someone who talks. Sometimes it is someone who knows nothing and just wants to be a protagonist.
"If I denied everything erroneous that had been published, I would have no time for anything else."
Thanks, interesting statements giving much food for thought about the situation in late summer 2007.  

As at 17 August 2007 the Team were describing the parents as being kept in the dark.  A fairly normal state of affairs surely, in such an investigation yet given sinister connotations by the Team.  Families of the missing don't, as a rule, complain via spokespeople that they are not kept in the loop, accepting that it is appropriate to wait until the investigation sees fit to inform them of developments. 

and are still demanding to see what has caused the shift in the investigation.  Searches by British sniffer dogs and material having been sent for forensic examination plus the briefings by Portuguese police as above would give all but the most dim witted a fair insight into the shift into the investigation.  There would be no cause for any such demand as it seems they were already well aware at that point.

British forensic experts were still examining evidence gathered in a British-led review of the case  The British LED review back in August 2007 was so unsatisfactory the McCs had to campaign ceaselessly for a British reivew, which apparently ignored the findings of the first, British led review.

The comments confirmed the worst fears of Mr and Mrs McCann, who told friends they needed an end to the ordeal, but believed the investigation was back to "square one".  Far from helping to end the ordeal when given the opportunity by the investigation, there were evasive answers by the husband and outright refusal by the wife, followed by flight from the country aided by political manoevering.  "Square one" therefore seems to have been the preferred option and the rest, as the saying goes, is history.
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Post by End 17.08.14 17:44

@sharonl wrote:Has it been confirmed that this e-mail actually came from Martin Smith?  Could it be a hoax, perhaps by someone trying to prove a point?

Just watched the films....brilliant especially 3 and 4.

I noticed the e-mail from Martin Smith is no longer attached to the front of either episode. Does anyone know if it was discovered to be a hoax?
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Post by cockerspaniel 17.08.14 17:58

parapono wrote:
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aquila wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:Cristobell wrote:

"I think we all in agreement that a whitewash was going on from the very start and people in power were sticking their noses where they shouldn't.  Just how far did that assistance go?

I think the Smith family sighting has always been the smoking gun, the chink in the powerful McCann media machine.  Just like Goncalo Amaral, they have stood by what they said and remained incorruptible."
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Just the one line answer, Cristobell,.

"This investigation is ANYTHING but 'normal' and it has NEVER been 'normal' from the very day Madeleine McCann 'disappeared'.

BBC reporter, June 2014, in PDL.
I wish Cristobell would stop using the word 'we'. As for Cristobell, she was most vehement that this is not a whitewash not so long ago and was fired up by her belief in Scotland Yard.
Why don't you PM cristobell with your concerns about using the WE word instead of bringing here.
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I have to agree here as well, cristobel started a thread titled, who still thinks this is a whitewash, and from what i could gather she definitely thought it was not a whitewash. why the sudden turnaround???

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Post by Zelina 17.08.14 19:12

I watched all 4 parts of the documentary in one go.
We knew most of this stuff already but the way it is presented really makes you think about the ludicrous aspects of the case all over again.


This is a comment from richplanet forums:
"What is truly bizarre about the whole thing is that not one of the "experts" who have been recruited, or who have insinuated themselves into the investigation, have any experience in tracing missing kids. None. There are media managers, ex-spooks (and maybe some to whom the ex bit doesn't apply) politicians, psuedo-detectives, shady businessmen, lawyers, and money-laundering specialists. The McCann case has been a cash cow for many of them. I can understand the odd charlatan trying to cash in, but a whole bloody team of them? That beggars belief."

The problem is that very few people are going to sit for 4 hours to watch all of it. He should consider making a summary version, say 30 mn long. Then the general public with a vague interest in the case would actually watch it.
I hope Richard D Hall is being careful, IMO what is implied by the Kincora comment at the end could well put his life in danger  sad

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Post by aiyoyo 18.08.14 19:10

@Zelina wrote:

The problem is that very few people are going to sit for 4 hours to watch all of it. He should consider making a summary version, say 30 mn long. Then the general public with a vague interest in the case would actually watch it.
I hope Richard D Hall is being careful, IMO what is implied by the Kincora comment at the end could well put his life in danger  sad

There are too much data to be condensed into a 30 min video.
A 30-min one won't have the same informational value as it won't be enough time to cover everything that needs to be exposed. People new to the case won't mind the 4 hours as it is spread out in the 4 dvds.

Unless there is something very dark being covered up, I doubt anyone is in danger of a David Kelly fate.
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Post by PeterMac 18.08.14 22:45

My copies arrived today.
Given Hall's generosity and commitment to open justice for Madeleine, and spreading knowledge of the way in which that has so far been denied her by the people named and shamed
I shall try to make copies, and anyone who now wants a hard copy, - given that they are all over the net and Your Tube that may already be too late -
can PM me.
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Post by Guest 19.08.14 9:21

Having been away on holiday I've only just got around to watching these and was pleasantly surprised by their depth and balance. I think the first film could have benefitted from a little editing – I realise he wanted to drive his point home about the inconsistencies in some of the early statements, and back this up with evidence, but it did get a tad repetitive. Overall, though – while I don't agree with all the points made – I thought he did a good job of informing viewers about some of the aspects of this case our press have been unwilling or unable to share. I thought the second and third films were especially interesting, and wished he had covered the circumstances surrounding Marcos Aragão Correia's bizarre promotion to lawyer for Leonor Cipriano, although that would probably have added another 15 minutes to the running time!
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Post by PeterMac 19.08.14 9:36

The films are all over YouTube and have been viewed many thousands of times, (according to YouTube stats.)
Interesting comments,
so far as I can see none, or very few, attacking the content.
Many people saying it has opened their eyes.
The message is getting out there
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Post by Justformaddie 19.08.14 11:40

@PeterMac wrote:The films are all over YouTube and have been viewed many thousands of times, (according to YouTube stats.)
Interesting comments,
so far as I can see none, or very few, attacking the content.
Many people saying it has opened their eyes.
The message is getting out there
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Post by Nina 19.08.14 11:47

@Justformaddie wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:The films are all over YouTube and have been viewed many thousands of times, (according to YouTube stats.)
Interesting comments,
so far as I can see none, or very few, attacking the content.
Many people saying it has opened their eyes.
The message is getting out there
 woohooo

I am surprised that Team McCann hasn't tried to get them removed like they did during their previous YouTube blitz.

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Post by jeanmonroe 19.08.14 12:25

Nina wrote:

I am surprised that Team McCann hasn't tried to get them removed like they did during their previous YouTube blitz.
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Because they can't, with the DVD's being 'factual' and not libelous?

And anyway there are now tens and tens of thousands of downloaded copies 'out there'

They might well 'try' to blitz them from Youtube but 'copies' will just pop up in/on OTHER 'sites/blogs/media outlets' etc

On sites they simply cannot 'blitz' or 'threaten'

And i seriously believe that CR will not be issuing any 'threats' on the McCanns behalf, having already had their fingers badly 'burnt' in a UK High Court by stating 'evidence' (unsubstantiated, "Madeleine WAS 'abducted')) on the McCanns behalf, that they had been TOLD and had come from ONLY their clients, the McCanns.
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Post by Jamming 19.08.14 12:58

I've watched the first two of these so far and admire Richard Halls dedication in putting them together. 

From a personal perspective it's enlightening to have so much information in one place which otherwise would be some task to get a hold on. It's also great to hear that they are being widely viewed and distributed.

As someone who just sits quietly in the background on here, reading with an open mind what info/theories so many contributors to this forum share, then running off into different threads to try and learn about other aspects of this sorry saga that I was ignorant of, the DVD's are a godsend.

I will however believe they have had the full effect when folks that I know, who have little or no interest in the case, mention them to me. That or when the focus of the 'investigation' shifts to where it ought to be
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Post by BlueBag 19.08.14 13:06

Just watched part 1.

Very good. Much better  than I expected.
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Post by missmar1 19.08.14 13:15

@BlueBag wrote:Just watched part 1.

Very good. Much better  than I expected.


Hi,  can you tell me how I can get to see Richard Hall's DVD  please ?
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Post by espeland 19.08.14 13:20

@missmar1 wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Just watched part 1.

Very good. Much better  than I expected.


Hi,  can you tell me how I can get to see Richard Hall's DVD  please ?


Hi, go to http://www.richplanet.net/

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Post by missmar1 19.08.14 13:21

@espeland wrote:
@missmar1 wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Just watched part 1.

Very good. Much better  than I expected.


Hi,  can you tell me how I can get to see Richard Hall's DVD  please ?


Hi, go to http://www.richplanet.net/

Thank you.
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Post by PeterMac 19.08.14 13:23

Or put the name into the you Tube search bar.
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Post by BlueBag 19.08.14 20:41

Just watched Part 2.

Very good.
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Post by HelenMeg 20.08.14 12:38

@BlueBag wrote:Just watched Part 2.

Very good.
I did first Part last night - very good!
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