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Post by Guest 10.08.14 14:32

@logical wrote:Ladyinred @8.04am

I think you will find we are discussing  the videos and its contents here on this thread.
All the things that you mention in your post have also been discussed at great lengths throughout the past few years and your correct by saying the fog has been cleared from a number of issues But Not in the videos reference to the Smith sighting  where denser fog seems to have gathered.
As PeterMac mentioned earlier it seems Richard Hall has visited this forum in his researches for the videoes and as I mentioned in my previous post He was reapeating exactly what Tony Bennett has been attempting to ram down everyones neck here Every time the Smiths are mentioned no matter what the topic is.

Once again I would like to ask Tony or anyone else to link us with official statements that states Murat is Martin Smiths friend and while there at it show where Martin Smith has Changed his 60/80% statement .
And Finally Ladyinred I think its up to the Admin to decide whats topical and whats not and Not your place to tell posters to move on imo.

Hello logical - I'm afraid I don't like the tone of your post.  Never mind, it's an open forum and I'll take it on the chin.

If you re-read my post you will see that I have viewed Parts 1 and 2 only so can't comment on the others where the Smiths, Murat and Smithman are discussed.  The Smith's sighting is a controversial topic on this forum and you obviously have strong feelings about it.

Go ahead and discuss the Smith sighting ad nauseum.
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Post by logical 10.08.14 14:41

When I was watching the part where Kate talks about how far or near She left the bedroom door open it reminded me of another contradiction between her and Gerry. In the October crimewatch Gerry in one clip says the Kids bedroom window had a shutter on it and heavy curtains on the inside "so the room was nice and dark" in the very next separate clip Kate says "we left the door open this far so as to let the light into the bedroom "??

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Post by Cristobell 10.08.14 14:52

@winjoy wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:I have done a blog on the Buried by the Mainstream videos, but I am loathe to put it here as it disputes his theory on the Smith sighting and Robert Murat's involvement. 

Herewith the link anyway, but if admin or anyone wants to place it somewhere more appropriate, that's fine by me  smilie 

http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/
Thank you Cristobell - I have only watched part 1 so far, which I thought was good.  I will look at part 2 but will leave it there because, like you, I believe the Smiths testimony - and don't believe Murat is involved.
For me Part IV was spoiled by relying on only one source and imo the facts as put forward for this theory do not stand up to scrutiny. 

I also think the entire collection may be at risk because of the libellous accusations in Part IV, Richard Hall and indeed Tony Bennett on here, are actually accusing these people of lying and some might see it as interfering with witnesses.  They are on very dodgy ground. 

People are entitled to their privacy, our morals and good manners should tell us that. Its the reason we don't snoop on our neighbours and friends. 

In the case of Kate and Gerry they chose the public arena to promote their child abduction theory and their fraudulent fund.  They have reinforced their lies for the past 7 years using whatever dirty tactics available to them.  Their lies deserve to be challenged, and so too the lies of those who would pull the wool over our eyes.

The Smiths are innocent family, caught up in this nightmare by sheer fluke.  I'm not in the least surprised they hesitated before stepping into the flames, who wouldn't?  But to read from that, that a happy family strolling home from nice night out were involved in heinous crime is ludicrous.
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Post by logical 10.08.14 14:54

Ladyinred:   That makes two of us .

I didn't like the tone or your dismissal of my post but sure that's life and we move on.

This thread is for discussing and reviewing all the videos and all its contents so I don't think anyone can be selective by dismissing the Smiths content of the video for discussion or any other points made because there all relevant to the videos and as I said all have been discussed numerously on this Forum.

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Post by Guest 10.08.14 14:55

@logical wrote:When I was watching the part where Kate talks about how far or near She left the bedroom door open it reminded me of another contradiction between her and Gerry. In the October crimewatch Gerry in one clip says the Kids bedroom window had a shutter on it and heavy curtains on the inside "so the room was nice and dark" in the very next separate clip Kate says "we left the door open this far so as to let the light into the bedroom "??

Actually you touch on something there that I did want to mention. In the nighttime shots of Praia da Luz in the documentary, just check out how dark it is. This is very typical of Portugal and should be borne in mind when reading witness statements of events that supposedly took place after sundown.
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Post by nglfi 10.08.14 14:58

@logical wrote:When I was watching the part where Kate talks about how far or near She left the bedroom door open it reminded me of another contradiction between her and Gerry. In the October crimewatch Gerry in one clip says the Kids bedroom window had a shutter on it and heavy curtains on the inside "so the room was nice and dark" in the very next separate clip Kate says "we left the door open this far so as to let the light into the bedroom "??
Yes, children of that age don't normally like a room 'nice and dark', particularly when they're being left on their own. There's normally a certain fear of the dark which I can only imagine would increase being on their own. Perhaps a Freudian slip? I can think of adults that would like a room 'nice and dark'. Or another example of the parents selfishness and failure to understand children.
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Post by logical 10.08.14 15:21

Cristobell:

I fully agree with you re the Smiths.

I watched all the videos last night and I thought they were brilliant and raised all the questions that have been spoken about on this forum for the past number of years,but as I mentioned previously when Richard cast doubt on the Smiths I was left disappointed and thought immediately that he was using whats been said on this forum regarding the Smiths as fact.

Lets Just settle Smithman once and for all .

Can Tony when he gets the chance show us official statements regarding his claims which he has stated to be facts:

I .The Smiths fabricated Smithman.

2. Martin Smith and Robert Murat  were friends

3. Martin Smith co operated with Brian Kennedy.

Official statements only and not News paper articles thank you.

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Post by Latetothecase 10.08.14 15:28

Nice little nugget in video 3 I never heard before. A phone tapping trial against Metodo 3 mysteriously collapsed.  I wonder if some people in high places feared certain items from their other investigations seeing the light of day.

He's certainly done the dirty work as far as research goes.
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Post by Cristobell 10.08.14 16:08

@logical wrote:Cristobell:

I fully agree with you re the Smiths.

I watched all the videos last night and I thought they were brilliant and raised all the questions that have been spoken about on this forum for the past number of years,but as I mentioned previously when Richard cast doubt on the Smiths I was left disappointed and thought immediately that he was using whats been said on this forum regarding the Smiths as fact.

Lets Just settle Smithman once and for all .

Can Tony when he gets the chance show us official statements regarding his claims which he has stated to be facts:

I .The Smiths fabricated Smithman.

2. Martin Smith and Robert Murat  were friends

3. Martin Smith co operated with Brian Kennedy.

Official statements only and not News paper articles thank you.
To be honest I think Tony and Richard have gone one conspiracy theory too far in trying to implicate Murat and indeed the Smiths in this crime.  If there were some seedy child porn or whatever ring in PDL, we would have known about it years ago.  I think it is interesting that Murat's computer was the source of their suspicions - almost as if they were desperate to link the internet to Madeleine's disappearance.  It clearly didn't work as RM has never been charged with anything, has remarried and is getting on with his crime free life.  The McCanns however........
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Post by Woofer 10.08.14 16:19

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@logical wrote:When I was watching the part where Kate talks about how far or near She left the bedroom door open it reminded me of another contradiction between her and Gerry. In the October crimewatch Gerry in one clip says the Kids bedroom window had a shutter on it and heavy curtains on the inside "so the room was nice and dark" in the very next separate clip Kate says "we left the door open this far so as to let the light into the bedroom "??

Actually you touch on something there that I did want to mention. In the nighttime shots of Praia da Luz in the documentary, just check out how dark it is. This is very typical of Portugal and should be borne in mind when reading witness statements of events that supposedly took place after sundown.

On the night in question there was a full moon which lights up the area considerably  Of course it may be that the documentary was filmed during a full moon.
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Post by sallypelt 10.08.14 16:37

@Cristobell wrote:
@winjoy wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:I have done a blog on the Buried by the Mainstream videos, but I am loathe to put it here as it disputes his theory on the Smith sighting and Robert Murat's involvement. 

Herewith the link anyway, but if admin or anyone wants to place it somewhere more appropriate, that's fine by me  smilie 

http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/
Thank you Cristobell - I have only watched part 1 so far, which I thought was good.  I will look at part 2 but will leave it there because, like you, I believe the Smiths testimony - and don't believe Murat is involved.
For me Part IV was spoiled by relying on only one source and imo the facts as put forward for this theory do not stand up to scrutiny. 

I also think the entire collection may be at risk because of the libellous accusations in Part IV, Richard Hall and indeed Tony Bennett on here, are actually accusing these people of lying and some might see it as interfering with witnesses.  They are on very dodgy ground. 

People are entitled to their privacy, our morals and good manners should tell us that. Its the reason we don't snoop on our neighbours and friends. 

In the case of Kate and Gerry they chose the public arena to promote their child abduction theory and their fraudulent fund.  They have reinforced their lies for the past 7 years using whatever dirty tactics available to them.  Their lies deserve to be challenged, and so too the lies of those who would pull the wool over our eyes.

The Smiths are innocent family, caught up in this nightmare by sheer fluke.  I'm not in the least surprised they hesitated before stepping into the flames, who wouldn't?  But to read from that, that a happy family strolling home from nice night out were involved in heinous crime is ludicrous.

Christobell, I am curious as to how you know with such certainty, that the Fund is "fraudulent"? I am not aware that this has been confirmed. If you are going on the facts that the McCann's lied on so may occasions, so how can one believe a word they now say,  then you have to take into consideration that Murat, and his now wife also lied on so many occasions. For example, Murat's now wife, lied when she said she was at a Jehovah's Witness meeting, when it has since been stated that she was never there. You can't have it both ways. A liar is a liar, regardless on what side of the fence one sits. I don't know whether Murat is involved or not. He may be an accessory AFTER the fact. Who knows? But he's told far too many lies to be credible, and I have to ask, why did he feel the need to lie, when such a serious crime had been committed? It just doesn't make sense. So in my calculation, Murat must be hiding something.
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Post by Woofer 10.08.14 16:40

@Cristobell wrote:
@winjoy wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:I have done a blog on the Buried by the Mainstream videos, but I am loathe to put it here as it disputes his theory on the Smith sighting and Robert Murat's involvement. 

Herewith the link anyway, but if admin or anyone wants to place it somewhere more appropriate, that's fine by me  smilie 

http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/
Thank you Cristobell - I have only watched part 1 so far, which I thought was good.  I will look at part 2 but will leave it there because, like you, I believe the Smiths testimony - and don't believe Murat is involved.
For me Part IV was spoiled by relying on only one source and imo the facts as put forward for this theory do not stand up to scrutiny. 

I also think the entire collection may be at risk because of the libellous accusations in Part IV, Richard Hall and indeed Tony Bennett on here, are actually accusing these people of lying and some might see it as interfering with witnesses.  They are on very dodgy ground. 

People are entitled to their privacy, our morals and good manners should tell us that. Its the reason we don't snoop on our neighbours and friends. 

In the case of Kate and Gerry they chose the public arena to promote their child abduction theory and their fraudulent fund.  They have reinforced their lies for the past 7 years using whatever dirty tactics available to them.  Their lies deserve to be challenged, and so too the lies of those who would pull the wool over our eyes.

The Smiths are innocent family, caught up in this nightmare by sheer fluke.  I'm not in the least surprised they hesitated before stepping into the flames, who wouldn't?  But to read from that, that a happy family strolling home from nice night out were involved in heinous crime is ludicrous.
 
Cristobel - I have just watched part IV again (well skipped through it) and I can`t find anything about the Smiths/Murat. RBH does talk about Murat being identified by the 4 tapas members and then later they retract their statements. He also mentiones the Palmeiras Golf Club and Murat`s and Gerry`s phones switched off in unison.  Are you sure it was part IV?
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Post by Cristobell 10.08.14 16:49

@Woofer wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:
@winjoy wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:I have done a blog on the Buried by the Mainstream videos, but I am loathe to put it here as it disputes his theory on the Smith sighting and Robert Murat's involvement. 

Herewith the link anyway, but if admin or anyone wants to place it somewhere more appropriate, that's fine by me  smilie 

http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/
Thank you Cristobell - I have only watched part 1 so far, which I thought was good.  I will look at part 2 but will leave it there because, like you, I believe the Smiths testimony - and don't believe Murat is involved.
For me Part IV was spoiled by relying on only one source and imo the facts as put forward for this theory do not stand up to scrutiny. 

I also think the entire collection may be at risk because of the libellous accusations in Part IV, Richard Hall and indeed Tony Bennett on here, are actually accusing these people of lying and some might see it as interfering with witnesses.  They are on very dodgy ground. 

People are entitled to their privacy, our morals and good manners should tell us that. Its the reason we don't snoop on our neighbours and friends. 

In the case of Kate and Gerry they chose the public arena to promote their child abduction theory and their fraudulent fund.  They have reinforced their lies for the past 7 years using whatever dirty tactics available to them.  Their lies deserve to be challenged, and so too the lies of those who would pull the wool over our eyes.

The Smiths are innocent family, caught up in this nightmare by sheer fluke.  I'm not in the least surprised they hesitated before stepping into the flames, who wouldn't?  But to read from that, that a happy family strolling home from nice night out were involved in heinous crime is ludicrous.
 
Cristobel - I have just watched part IV again (well skipped through it) and I can`t find anything about the Smiths/Murat. RBH does talk about Murat being identified by the 4 tapas members and then later they retract their statements. He also mentiones the Palmeiras Golf Club and Murat`s and Gerry`s phones switched off in unison.  Are you sure it was part IV?
It was on Part IV Woofer, but skipped over.  Hall gives no credence to the Smith sighting throughout, but in Part IV he links it to the Tanner sighting and dismisses both.  Basically, he has just wiped out a huge chunk of Goncalo Amaral's evidence and indeed one of the key points in his book. 

Looking back on all four, it appears that Richard Hall dismissed the Smith sighting from the beginning, which does not bode well for the validity of the rest of the work.  The Smith sighting was key to the original PJ investigation and it is key to the current investigation being undertaken by Scotland Yard.  He is effectively withholding important information from his viewers for whatever reason, which is a shame because the videos will not stand the test of time.
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Post by Doug D 10.08.14 16:58

From ‘The Truth of the Lie, Chapter 8 - A man carrying a child on the way to the beach - pages 111-114’
 
- The Smiths are secretly brought back to Portugal. On Saturday, 26 May, in Portimão, Smith and his two children are interviewed.
 
- Their testimony is credible, but given the lack of light in the area, they can't identify the man who was carrying the child.
 
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html
 
From the recent OU Forensic Psychology course that a number of Forum members undertook, for ID evidence to be credible two basic requirements are needed, max. distance of 15 metres (which would have been the case) and a min. illumination of 15 lux (which would not).
 
‘Lux is a measurement of luminance, where 0.3 lux is equivalent to night time with a full moon; 30 lux is equivalent to a badly lit room; and 300 lux is equivalent to a brightly lit room. It is important to note that this research does not mean that identification will be accurate if the perpetrator was seen from less than 15 metres and at more than 15 lux, just that identification evidence cannot be relied on unless these requirements are met.’

I believe they also did not see his face as he was turned away from them, but this changed after September when they saw photo's of GM coming off the plane. Not the face that was recognised, but the way the child was carried iirc!
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Post by Cristobell 10.08.14 17:05

@sallypelt wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:
@winjoy wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:I have done a blog on the Buried by the Mainstream videos, but I am loathe to put it here as it disputes his theory on the Smith sighting and Robert Murat's involvement. 

Herewith the link anyway, but if admin or anyone wants to place it somewhere more appropriate, that's fine by me  smilie 

http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/
Thank you Cristobell - I have only watched part 1 so far, which I thought was good.  I will look at part 2 but will leave it there because, like you, I believe the Smiths testimony - and don't believe Murat is involved.
For me Part IV was spoiled by relying on only one source and imo the facts as put forward for this theory do not stand up to scrutiny. 

I also think the entire collection may be at risk because of the libellous accusations in Part IV, Richard Hall and indeed Tony Bennett on here, are actually accusing these people of lying and some might see it as interfering with witnesses.  They are on very dodgy ground. 

People are entitled to their privacy, our morals and good manners should tell us that. Its the reason we don't snoop on our neighbours and friends. 

In the case of Kate and Gerry they chose the public arena to promote their child abduction theory and their fraudulent fund.  They have reinforced their lies for the past 7 years using whatever dirty tactics available to them.  Their lies deserve to be challenged, and so too the lies of those who would pull the wool over our eyes.

The Smiths are innocent family, caught up in this nightmare by sheer fluke.  I'm not in the least surprised they hesitated before stepping into the flames, who wouldn't?  But to read from that, that a happy family strolling home from nice night out were involved in heinous crime is ludicrous.

Christobell, I am curious as to how you know with such certainty, that the Fund is "fraudulent"? I am not aware that this has been confirmed. If you are going on the facts that the McCann's lied on so may occasions, so how can one believe a word they now say,  then you have to take into consideration that Murat, and his now wife also lied on so many occasions. For example, Murat's now wife, lied when she said she was at a Jehovah's Witness meeting, when it has since been stated that she was never there. You can't have it both ways. A liar is a liar, regardless on what side of the fence one sits. I don't know whether Murat is involved or not. He may be an accessory AFTER the fact. Who knows? But he's told far too many lies to be credible, and I have to ask, why did he feel the need to lie, when such a serious crime had been committed? It just doesn't make sense. So in my calculation, Murat must be hiding something.
I know the Fund is fraudulent because I have the excellent account reports by Enid O'Dowd.

I've no idea why he lied, some people just do Sally, I am sure we have all encountered them.  But it is a huge leap to go from that to involvement in a major crime involving the death of a child.

I can't really judge Robert Murat because I don't know him.  But neither does anyone else on here.  We only have a fraction of the information that the police have, and we can only go on the files released in 2007.  I am simply not prepared to pass such a damning judgement on someone on such flimsy evidence.  I should also add, and as my enemies have often pointed out, it was over 2 years before I actually committed myself to saying the McCanns were guilty.  I have moral boundaries that I just won't cross.
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Post by Cristobell 10.08.14 17:12

@Doug D wrote:From ‘The Truth of the Lie, Chapter 8 - A man carrying a child on the way to the beach - pages 111-114’
 
- The Smiths are secretly brought back to Portugal. On Saturday, 26 May, in Portimão, Smith and his two children are interviewed.
 
- Their testimony is credible, but given the lack of light in the area, they can't identify the man who was carrying the child.
 
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html
 
From the recent OU Forensic Psychology course that a number of Forum members undertook, for ID evidence to be credible two basic requirements are needed, max. distance of 15 metres (which would have been the case) and a min. illumination of 15 lux (which would not).
 
‘Lux is a measurement of luminance, where 0.3 lux is equivalent to night time with a full moon; 30 lux is equivalent to a badly lit room; and 300 lux is equivalent to a brightly lit room. It is important to note that this research does not mean that identification will be accurate if the perpetrator was seen from less than 15 metres and at more than 15 lux, just that identification evidence cannot be relied on unless these requirements are met.’

I believe they also did not see his face as he was turned away from them, but this changed after September when they saw photo's of GM coming off the plane. Not the face that was recognised, but the way the child was carried iirc!
We can't recreate what the Smiths saw, none of us were there.  I believe the people who were in the vicinity at the exact time, rather speculation on an internet forum, 

You cannot simply dismiss Martin Smith's recognition as based solely on the way in which Gerry carried the child.  He would not have had a flashback if Clarence or someone had carried the child, they are entirely different body types etc.  His memory stored the picture of Gerry, and that is what came to mind when he saw the unintentional reconstruction.
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Post by sallypelt 10.08.14 17:24

Taken from Christobel's above post "I've no idea why he lied, some people just do Sally, I am sure we have all encountered them. But it is a huge leap to go from that to involvement in a major crime involving the death of a child".

I am in agreement with much of what you have posted, Christobel, but as you've so rightly pointed out, this IS a major crime involving the DISAPPEARANCE of a child, so WHY would anyone lie about where they were and what they were doing, when it IS such a serious crime?

I have also said "disappearance" of a child. The reason I say this is, that despite the findings of the cadaver dogs, without a body and more accurate DNA evidence (although I believe that the accuracy of the DNA was covered up) there's not enough evidence to bring the McCann's to court. Common sense and human logic tells me that MM's body had once been in 5A, but common sense and logic isn't enough to stand up to scrutiny in a court of law, especially when they have the likes of Brian Kennedy and other big guns supporting them. Why the McCann's have had this support from such shady characters is beyond me, but I will say, Brian Kennedy didn't get rich by giving support and spending vast sums of money on complete strangers. To use John Stalker's words, when he spoke about the McCann's, I believe that Brian Kennedy is "hiding a big secret".
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Post by Woofer 10.08.14 17:32

@Cristobell wrote:
@Woofer wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:
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@Cristobell wrote:I have done a blog on the Buried by the Mainstream videos, but I am loathe to put it here as it disputes his theory on the Smith sighting and Robert Murat's involvement. 

Herewith the link anyway, but if admin or anyone wants to place it somewhere more appropriate, that's fine by me  smilie 

http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/
Thank you Cristobell - I have only watched part 1 so far, which I thought was good.  I will look at part 2 but will leave it there because, like you, I believe the Smiths testimony - and don't believe Murat is involved.
For me Part IV was spoiled by relying on only one source and imo the facts as put forward for this theory do not stand up to scrutiny. 

I also think the entire collection may be at risk because of the libellous accusations in Part IV, Richard Hall and indeed Tony Bennett on here, are actually accusing these people of lying and some might see it as interfering with witnesses.  They are on very dodgy ground. 

People are entitled to their privacy, our morals and good manners should tell us that. Its the reason we don't snoop on our neighbours and friends. 

In the case of Kate and Gerry they chose the public arena to promote their child abduction theory and their fraudulent fund.  They have reinforced their lies for the past 7 years using whatever dirty tactics available to them.  Their lies deserve to be challenged, and so too the lies of those who would pull the wool over our eyes.

The Smiths are innocent family, caught up in this nightmare by sheer fluke.  I'm not in the least surprised they hesitated before stepping into the flames, who wouldn't?  But to read from that, that a happy family strolling home from nice night out were involved in heinous crime is ludicrous.
 
Cristobel - I have just watched part IV again (well skipped through it) and I can`t find anything about the Smiths/Murat. RBH does talk about Murat being identified by the 4 tapas members and then later they retract their statements. He also mentiones the Palmeiras Golf Club and Murat`s and Gerry`s phones switched off in unison.  Are you sure it was part IV?
It was on Part IV Woofer, but skipped over.  Hall gives no credence to the Smith sighting throughout, but in Part IV he links it to the Tanner sighting and dismisses both.  Basically, he has just wiped out a huge chunk of Goncalo Amaral's evidence and indeed one of the key points in his book. 

Looking back on all four, it appears that Richard Hall dismissed the Smith sighting from the beginning, which does not bode well for the validity of the rest of the work.  The Smith sighting was key to the original PJ investigation and it is key to the current investigation being undertaken by Scotland Yard.  He is effectively withholding important information from his viewers for whatever reason, which is a shame because the videos will not stand the test of time.

Cristobel - just because RBH doesn`t get to the Smith sighting until the last DVD doesn`t mean you can say he has `dismissed the Smith sighting from the beginning`.   I have now found the bit near the end of part IV where he mentions the only 2 sightings, Jane Tanner`s and the Smith`s.  All he says is that there is doubt around the Smith sighting because they didn`t report it for 12 days - he does not dismiss it. What`s more he says that it will be discussed in a future documentary he is going to make - most probably the one about Murat. Yes, he does say that Murat and Smith were friends.  So lets wait for the next documentary.

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Post by j.rob 10.08.14 17:39

With regards to whether the fund was/is fraudulent, if TM are found to have lied by pretending that Madeleine was abducted by a random mystery abductor when in fact they know that something else happened and that the fund was not set up with the intention of finding Madeleine then the fund is a fraud.

With regards to Murat's role, as others have pointed out, he might have been mislead or unwittingly got involved  in some way. The lies suggest that he is not an entirely unbiased and disinterested party. That does not, however mean that he could not still have been the victim of some kind of set-up. He could also have been threatened/blackmailed or have owed 'favours' for instance.

As for the Smith sighting, what I found odd was the fact that they only came forward after the news was released that Murat had been made a suspect. That dies not necessarily mean that they are not credible and honest witnesses. But it does suggest that Murat being made a suspect could have provided the motivation to come forward. Perhaps they had been reluctant to voice suspicions, for whatever reason. The fact that Mr Smith was adamant that the man he saw was not Murat does suggest at least the possibility that the family may have been motivated by a desire to get Murat off the hook. Again, this does not necessarily make them unreliable as such. Given that they co-own an apartment in Luz( anyone know who with?) it is likely they have a network of contacts. No doubt following Madeleine's disappearance speculation was rife in the local community and some may be 'in the know' to some extent. Or at least have their suspicions.

No doubt there were/are those who did not want to see the wrong person convicted for a crime, IMO.

Interesting that both Murat and the Smiths were a part of the local community (especially Murat). When considering their testimony it would be foolish to ignore their links and contacts. I also find it of interest that Mr Smith only told police he was pretty sure the man they saw that night was Gerry AFTER the Mcs escaped from Portugal. Interesting timing which suggests a certain scenario, IMO.
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Post by Guest 10.08.14 17:44

@sallypelt wrote:
I have also said "disappearance" of a child. The reason I say this is, that despite the findings of the cadaver dogs, without a body and more accurate DNA evidence (although I believe that the accuracy of the DNA was covered up) there's not enough evidence to bring the McCann's to court..

I think that, but for the results of Eddie and Keela, I would be thoroughly of the opinion that Madeleine McCann's entire existence had been fabricated.
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Post by sallypelt 10.08.14 18:02

]Martin Smith’s statement, 26.5.07

Regarding the description of the individual who carried the child he states that: he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour. He cannot state if it was dark or lighter in tone. He did not wear glasses and had no beard or moustache. He did not notice any other relevant details partly due to the fact that the lighting was not very good.
— He was wearing cream or beige-coloured cloth trousers in a classic cut. He did not see his shoes. He did not notice the body clothing and cannot describe the colour or fashion of the same.


 AadddAdditional statement given by Martin Smith on 30.1.08

I would like to state that the statement I made on 26th May 2007 in Portugal is correct. The description of the individual that I saw on 3rd May 2007 carrying a child is as follows. He was average build, 5 foot 10' in height, brown hair cut short, aged 40 years approximately. Wearing beige trousers and darkish top maybe a jacket or blazer

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He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits.

It's no wonder that Tony isn't buying the Smith story.
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Post by Justformaddie 10.08.14 18:39

I've just read martins statement on 26th may 07 and he does say the man was wearing cream coloured trousers, that's in the Mccann files. I've also read the reason he gave no stories or efits was because he knew Brian Kennedy was friends of the mcs.
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Post by Guest 10.08.14 18:45

I don't know sallypelt, the first statement was made in Portugal using an interpreter and the second was made in his local garda station, a bit of a difference for me. 

In the first statement he said that smithman wore light trousers but wasn't sure about the remainder of the clothing. We don't know what other questions were asked. 

But now he's being asked specific questions at his local station, they may have probed him about say if his top was lighter or darker in colour than the trousers, if he had long/short sleeves so no doubt easier for him to answer.

To the best of my knowledge he didn't sell his stories unless there is something that I missed. I don't know if they were involved in efits however if they were couldn't it have been after his interview in Jan?
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Post by sallypelt 10.08.14 19:00

@Justformaddie wrote:I've just read martins statement on 26th may 07 and he does say the man was wearing cream coloured trousers, that's in the Mccann files. I've also read the reason he gave no stories or efits was because he knew Brian Kennedy was friends of the mcs.
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I wasn't referring to M Smith's statement on the trousers. That is stated in both statements. What I am referring to is in the first one he didn't know what his body clothing was.

"and darkish top maybe a jacket or blazer"???? When in his original statement, he said that he didn't know?? Now all of a sudden it's a jacket or a blazer.

As I've said earlier in my post, you can't have it both ways. You can't justify one person's statements, but dismiss another person's. Maybe we should accept that all the statements are "lost in translation".
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Post by sallypelt 10.08.14 19:03

Marlie wrote:I don't know sallypelt, the first statement was made in Portugal using an interpreter and the second was made in his local garda station, a bit of a difference for me. 

In the first statement he said that smithman wore light trousers but wasn't sure about the remainder of the clothing. We don't know what other questions were asked. 

But now he's being asked specific questions at his local station, they may have probed him about say if his top was lighter or darker in colour than the trousers, if he had long/short sleeves so no doubt easier for him to answer.

To the best of my knowledge he didn't sell his stories unless there is something that I missed. I don't know if they were involved in efits however if they were couldn't it have been after his interview in Jan?

Marlie. I have no idea whether Martin Smith is telling the truth, or whether he's been "got at". All I am going on is the inconsistencies in his statements. This is what we are judging the Tapas members on. I don't do hypocrisy.
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