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Post by Tony Bennett on 14.07.14 0:08

Fry hits out at Operation Yewtree

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690107/Fry-stuns-Labour-gala-hits-sex-abuse-investigation-Miliband-rebukes-TV-star-attacks-former-DPP.html#ixzz37Kz3NoQV

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Fry to star in comedy about child sexual abuse:

Fry's comedy comes under fire

Plans to stage a comedy penned by actor Stephen Fry about paedophilia in a public school were condemned today.
The award-winning play, which details a homosexual affair between a teacher and his 13-year-old pupil, is to be staged at Edinburgh's Festival Fringe.

But Latin! Or Tobacco and Boys, billed as "a play in two unnatural acts", has come under fire from a children's charity and city councillors.
A theatre company is about to sign a contract to stage the comedy as part of the Fringe programme.

Cambridge-based Activated Image said the play celebrated "the love of a man for a 13-year-old boy".

But the leisure and culture spokesman for Edinburgh's Conservative Party, James Gilchrist, attacked it as "gratuitous smut".

He said: "Stephen Fry's contribution to the world of theatre could be written on the back of a postage stamp.

"What kind of person thinks that paedophilia is funny? Hopefully theatre-goers will have the good sense to give this a wide berth."

Lorraine Gray, of charity Children 1st, said: "We work with young victims of abuse who have been scarred for life by their experiences.

"So we would be very concerned about any play that legitimises or trivialises the exploitation of young people by those in a position of trust."

The play, set in a remote old-fashioned boys' school, depicts a relationship between effete Latin teacher Dominic Clark and his star pupil.

When fellow teacher Herbert Brookshaw discovers the affair, he attempts to blackmail his colleague.

Artistic director for Activated Image Adam Barnard said the play, which finished a successful run in Cambridge in January, was "very, very funny".

The Cambridge graduate said: "It's an absolutely fantastic play and it's also a very successful piece of drama that deals with a highly controversial issue.

"It's not about abduction and rape or child abuse, it's a fantasia about a gay love affair. It exists in a moral vacuum."
Barnard said the play "does include graphic conversations" about the affair between teacher and pupil, though it does not depict the sex acts themselves.

He added: "It describes the fact they had sex together. But we're not talking pornography or top shelf here. It's about love.
"A century ago Oscar Wilde was put on trial by a strict Victorian regime for exactly the same thing - the 'love that dare not speak its name'."

Described as a "weird, wonderful and just a little twisted comedy", the play, which Fry wrote as a Cambridge undergraduate in 1979, contains scenes of sadomasochism.

It won a Fringe First award when it was first staged at the Edinburgh Festival in 1980. Fry recently starred in Oscar-winning film Gosford Park and received rave reviews for his performance as Oscar Wilde in the film Wilde.

Steve Cardownie, Edinburgh's recreation leader, said: "To stage a paedophilia comedy seems to me to be a bit of a strange way of dealing with this disturbing issue.

"Put it this way: I won't be rushing out to buy a ticket, but then I am strongly opposed to censorship of the arts so if the play's legal then it should be staged."

The play opens at Edinburgh's Gilded Balloon theatre on August 3.

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Post by Woofer on 14.07.14 0:15

I`m not surprised - ever noticed how he leads the conversations round to boys backsides on QI - clever but vile man.
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Post by plebgate on 14.07.14 0:23

I wouldn't buy a ticket and I certainly do not think there is anything at all funny about this subject.

As usual Oscar Wilde brought into it by the luvvies.  soooo  predictable.

Somehow or other someone has decreed that this man is a National Treasure and he seems to get a lot of work.   I can't see it myself.

No doubt those who DARE to say that they do not agree with this will be labelled bigots, but is this really the time to be putting on a show like this knowing how the victims of paedophilia feel and that they are demanding justice for being subjected to this terrible crime.   Funny, certainly not.

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Post by worriedmum on 14.07.14 0:25

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''Artistic director for Activated Image Adam Barnard said the play, which finished a successful run in Cambridge in January, was "very, very funny".

The Cambridge graduate said: "It's an absolutely fantastic play and it's also a very successful piece of drama that deals with a highly controversial issue.

"It's not about abduction and rape or child abuse, it's a fantasia about a gay love affair. It exists in a moral vacuum."




Could someone please explain what a 'moral vacuum' is?
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Post by worriedmum on 14.07.14 0:40

Thanks Plebgate, I should have made it clear that I was being sarcastic. IMO it's an artsy way of exploring the idea of total selfishness-the elevation of one's own desires and putting them above the rights and dignity and feelings of the subject of those desires.
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Post by Ochosi on 14.07.14 7:34

Why are there so many people who want us to believe child sex abuse is okay? It is not a "love affair" when it involves an adult and a child of 13 years and gender is irrelevant. Isn't this the same sort of perverse nonsense as "Lolita"?

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Post by aquila on 14.07.14 7:43

Stephen Fry....the darling of the BBC.
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Post by PeterMac on 14.07.14 8:12

I have tried very hard to find Fry funny, or even mildly amusing - but always fail.
He was good in Jeeves and Wooster, but almost destroyed "Gosforth Park" singlehandedly
I cannot sit through more than two minutes of his quiz shows, and his voice-over commentaries to wildlife programmes are dreadful, and ruin the work the photographers have put in

In less enlightened times he would have been cruelly, but accurately described as a fat, middle aged, homosexual schizophrenic with a broken nose, becoming a caricature of himself

Now, as you point out he is tending to a certain rotundity, of a certain age. bipolar (oh so verrrry chic, daarling) gay, with an interesting face.
and the Nation seems to admire him. As they did with one or two others, if I remember rightly.

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Post by frost on 14.07.14 9:07

@Tony Bennett wrote:

Described as a "weird, wonderful and just a little twisted comedy", the play, which Fry wrote as a Cambridge undergraduate in 1979, contains scenes of sadomasochism.


Fry was born in 1957 so he would have been 21 or  22 at the time . It makes you wonder what experiences he had been through whilst at school for him to have enough insight into the subject to be able to write about it in the first place .

paedophillia was hardly a subject freely spoken about back then nor was being gay for that matter until Aids hit the headlines in the early 80's . 

I find it disturbing that someone so young at the time was capable of writing such material .

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Post by BlueBag on 14.07.14 10:46

Britain's private boarding school system has a lot to answer for!
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Post by simplysitting on 14.07.14 11:21

""A century ago Oscar Wilde was put on trial by a strict Victorian regime for exactly the same thing - the 'love that dare not speak its name'." (From original article quoted at the top of the thread)

What rubbish. In effect this is the same message as that spouted by the Paedophile Information Exchange - that people who want to have sex with children are an oppressed minority and in the same situation that gay people were in not so long ago. The big difference of course is that gay rights is about consenting acts between adults. To give out the message that paedophilia is normal, amusing, harmless is to legitimise the terrible suffering that children are going through every day - the shame, the fear, the destruction of their childhood. Because there will always be a power imbalance between adults and children which means a sexual relationship between an adult and a child is never going to be one of equal, informed consent. 


Personally I can't stand Stephen Fry (ever since he tweeted a lame joke about the "highly amusing" place name Cockermouth, when that lovely town was in the news because many shops and homes had been flooded).
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Post by puzzled on 14.07.14 11:32

Stephen Fry - pompous, smug, self-obsessed egotist. Still, it's easy enough to avoid him. Just don't buy his books, watch any TV shows he's on, or get tickets for any production he's in.

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Post by plebgate on 14.07.14 11:38

@puzzled wrote:Stephen Fry - pompous, smug, self-obsessed egotist. Still, it's easy enough to avoid him. Just don't buy his books, watch any TV shows he's on, or get tickets for any production he's in.
let's not forget credit card fraudster, 3 months in nick for that.

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Post by Guest on 14.07.14 11:42

That was to be fair when he was a student, I think.
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Post by plebgate on 14.07.14 11:45

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That was to be fair when he was a student, I think.
 Before he went to Cambridge, but he still did it  NFWTD.    There are a lot of people who do time for that sort of crime and cannot get jobs when they come out but some go on to become National Treasures ha ha and have no trouble getting work.

Not what you know but WHO you know imo.

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Post by mouse on 14.07.14 13:03

@plebgate wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That was to be fair when he was a student, I think.
 Before he went to Cambridge, but he still did it  NFWTD.    There are a lot of people who do time for that sort of crime and cannot get jobs when they come out but some go on to become National Treasures ha ha and have no trouble getting work.

Not what you know but WHO you know imo.
Exactly - a very good friend of Prince Charles and Camilla, and I'm sure anyone who will keep him in his perceived position of 'National Treasure'. Can't stand the pompous ego of a man, a real turn off in our house. An abysmal actor (plays himself in every role and chews up every scene) and director too. Once attempted to watch his film about Oscar Wilde, I believe he may have directed and starred in it - beyond awful!

But of course his vile views and his play won't make headline news will it....Of course not, he's BBC and of course a National Treasure......!

Though  - I can remember somebody else being BBC and a National Treasure......Perhaps the BBC should ask him to explain his position with regard to adult men having "love affairs" with 13 Year Old Boys.

Oh, anybody caught his twitter today? Really hope he gets some opinionated Tweets - I know he doesn't like that! He always flounces off apparently.

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Post by Cristobell on 14.07.14 19:13

I agree with Stephen Fry, I have been feeling for some time that this is more of a witch hunt that a paedophile hunt.  No children will actually benefit from it.  Children are at risk of being abused in their own homes, these constant paedophile scares, are just that, and rooting out old men does nothing to help vulnerable kids like Baby B, who are being battered on a daily basis. 

I'm not really expecting anyone to agree with me, but for what is worth, here is my defence of Stephen Fry.

http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/

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Post by mouse on 14.07.14 20:45

@Cristobell wrote:I agree with Stephen Fry, I have been feeling for some time that this is more of a witch hunt that a paedophile hunt.  No children will actually benefit from it.  Children are at risk of being abused in their own homes, these constant paedophile scares, are just that, and rooting out old men does nothing to help vulnerable kids like Baby B, who are being battered on a daily basis. 

I'm not really expecting anyone to agree with me, but for what is worth, here is my defence of Stephen Fry.

http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/
So you don't think rooting out Rolf Harris was the right thing to do? He's an old man, and many thought it wrong to accuse him before he was charged and found guilty. Stuart Hall, another old man. Paedophiles are out there. You might feel for the men that are accused in their old age. If they are innocent I would hope that they would be found to be so. But if these men such as Harris, had been caught when they were younger - if people had picked up on their sexual abuse of children, had not turned a blind eye - we would not be arresting them in their old age, and some children may be been saved this abuse.

The Baby Peter - not B - case, true, is horrific. And only this week another of those who aided the abuse has been set free. But I don't think the two cases are comparable. The abuse that little child experienced was horrific, but sexual abuse of children is too, whether it be by an old male celeb (abusing his power and status also) or by a relative or someone of a non-celeb status working with children. All abuse of children is bad. And as for Stephen Fry and the play - do you think a sexual relationship with an older man and a child (well under age) can be describe as a love affair? 

Anyway, I think we've been here before - you've said its a witch hunt - I say it is a well overdue investigation into child sexual abuse that has been hidden for far too long. And I do think that some of the women who were abused by Rolf Harris, the friend of his daughter, did benefit form the trial, because she stated she did. One brave lady.

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Post by petunia on 14.07.14 21:11

If i was a celebrity at this moment in time, and been called a national treasure i would be inclined to sue Unless....  big grin

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Post by tigger on 14.07.14 21:24

I have barely joined in any discussion on paedophilia, mostly because the press and readers seem to enjoy the imo gratuitous sexual details.

It seems a little suspect to me that the main headlines are all about people well past seventy. So far the press has covered mostly 'historical' abuse. Fantastic. i'd be more concerned to stop current abuse, putting Rolf Harris in jail wont achieve that.
I recall Tony Blackburn, an odious creature, but am willing to believe that most girls, under-age or not, were throwing themselves at him.
I think it was Dave Travers? Hairy creature, DJ I think, who said about inappropriate touching that everybody did it. He was quite right imo. But again, those weren't twelve year olds.
When a girl of fourteen tells you she's sixteen and you choose to believe her, I'd say that doesn't come under paedophilia.
Totally different matter to groom a friend of your daughter and use your status to achieve it. That is criminal.

In any case, when Fry wrote that piece he was 21 and I believe he was writing a number  of sketches for Fry and Laurie at that time as well. Some of those sketches are very racy too.
I haven't read the play,  but it sounds about the type of thing that was common around that time. Blackadder, the Policeman's Ball and a number of comedians e.g. Rowan Atkinson, were very fond of 'bottom' jokes.
So I can't see how that would promote paedophilia as a good and wonderful thing if it's supposed to be funny.

I thought he was very good in Blackadder, especially the last one. I don't watch TV so don't know about recent work.

I did not express myself very well, but in the haste to sort out historical abuse are we overlooking the current sexualisation of children?  'little Miss Naughty' bikini for four year olds?  That's the kind of thing  one has to look at, such as the disgusting pageants where the daft mothers dress their toddlers up as mini adults. Not always cute, one had dressed her child like a hooker.

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Post by Cristobell on 14.07.14 21:28

I agree that men such as Rolf Harris and Jimmy Savile should have been stopped in their tracks Mouse, but we cannot change the past.

In many of these cases there is no evidence of abuse, yet lives are destroyed on the flimsiest of evidence.  What kind of society are we that we focus on the crimes of the past, yet we ignore the crimes of the present, the ones we can do something about. 

These headlines always relate to sexual abuse, whilst ignoring the much more prevalent physical, violent abuse that goes on in many homes and is far more deadly.  If we want to protect children, thousands of children, lets focus on where the abuse is actually taking place. 

It seems to me that the government have been unable to come up with child porn factories, or a paedophile network on the scale of Marc Dutroux in Belgium.  They have no tangible proof of all these paedophiles in our midst, but they have to come up with some from somewhere to justify the need for their specialist band of crusaders.  They have no real villains to parade in front of us, so raking up a few from the past will have to suffice. 

There are real villains out there of course, but nobody seems to be looking for them.

As for Stephen Fry's play, I haven't seen it, so couldn't possibly comment.  However, I accept that some adults do have unusual relationships with children.  As a pre school child, I became very attached to a single man who lived in the nurse's home of the hospital where my parents worked.  I visited him constantly, and was probably a pest with my incessant chatter, but he had the time and patience to listen to me.  I introduced him to my parents, and he became a family friend.  The relationship was entirely innocent, but to outsiders it may have appeared bizarre, and my dear friend could have been accused of all sorts. 

History, art, music and literature are filled with inappropriate relationships - the history of mankind is littered with civilizations where unusual sexual practices were considered normal within that society.  Alexander the Great for example was a homosexual, but it doesn't suit our macho society, to portray him as living outside of the Christian norm.

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Post by Cristobell on 14.07.14 21:38

@tigger wrote:

I did not express myself very well, but in the haste to sort out historical abuse are we overlooking the current sexualisation of children?  'little Miss Naughty' bikini for four year olds?  That's the kind of thing  one has to look at, such as the disgusting pageants where the daft mothers dress their toddlers up as mini adults. Not always cute, one had dressed her child like a hooker.
From a feminist perspective, I am appalled that mother's are instilling in their very small daughters, that they have to cake themselves in make up and starve in order to be a success.  I can't tell one girl from the other when I go shopping these days, they all alike-  barbi dolls with fake hair and eyelashes!

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Post by mouse on 14.07.14 21:53

@Cristobel "I agree that men such as Rolf Harris and Jimmy Savile should have been stopped in their tracks Mouse, but we cannot change the past."


But Cristobel if we don't deal and face up to what happened in the past - we won't learn anything from it. As for today's abuse - sure I would love it if we could stop this happening now, but much of today's abuse will not be reported, children are often too scared, embarrassed, or if it is happening within the family - have nobody to turn to - this will always be the case. In other words today's abuse will inevitably become historial abuse. So we can't just move on - say this happened years ago The man is so old now!. JS was supposed to have abused quite near the end of his life. I'm glad Rolf is in prison, I don't wish any harm on him, but I hope he has the time to reflect on what his actions and the effect of them - had on this victims, particularly his daughter's  friend.


Tigger I agree with you on the sexualisation of children and their clothing, but most mum's I know do not dress up their children this way. As for pageants - crazy, but again I feel that these mothers who put their children through this - are sadly living their own dreams/fantasies through their poor children. I really don't think they realise how bad this looks to others viewing them.

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