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Tory MP WARNED Simon Danczuk to back-off Westminster child abuse scandal

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Post by BlueBag on 17.04.15 7:36

Well there's nothing to stop them taking his peerage away... right... right?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 17.04.15 10:43

@BlueBag wrote:Well there's nothing to stop them taking his peerage away... right... right?

There are TWO 'lords' in the House of Lords, who fiddled their 'expenses', went to jail, came out, and immediately returned, and took their 'seats' in the House of Lords, 'claiming' £300 a DAY in 'attendance' money!

And one of them even tried to 'fiddle' THAT, after his prison 'sentence'!

'Clocking in', pick up the £300, 'clocking out' a few hours, in some cases, MINUTES, later!

And they were NOT 'the only ones' .............'at it'!

You, I, anyone, CANNOT 'sack' a Lord!

They are 'Lords' for life, no matter what 'crimes' they commit!

NOBODY can 'sack' them, NOBODY!

Alright for 'some' innit?

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Post by Richard IV on 17.04.15 11:08

@jeanmonroe wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Well there's nothing to stop them taking his peerage away... right... right?

There are TWO 'lords' in the House of Lords, who fiddled their 'expenses', went to jail, came out, and immediately returned, and took their 'seats' in the House of Lords, 'claiming' £300 a DAY in 'attendance' money!

And one of them even tried to 'fiddle' THAT, after his prison 'sentence'!

'Clocking in', pick up the £300, 'clocking out' a few hours, in some cases, MINUTES, later!

And they were NOT 'the only ones' .............'at it'!

You, I, anyone, CANNOT 'sack' a Lord!

They are 'Lords' for life, no matter what 'crimes' they commit!

NOBODY can 'sack' them, NOBODY!

Alright for 'some' innit?

Jeffrey Archer for one.  There must be plenty more.

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Post by aquila on 17.04.15 11:16

@Richard IV wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Well there's nothing to stop them taking his peerage away... right... right?

There are TWO 'lords' in the House of Lords, who fiddled their 'expenses', went to jail, came out, and immediately returned, and took their 'seats' in the House of Lords, 'claiming' £300 a DAY in 'attendance' money!

And one of them even tried to 'fiddle' THAT, after his prison 'sentence'!

'Clocking in', pick up the £300, 'clocking out' a few hours, in some cases, MINUTES, later!

And they were NOT 'the only ones' .............'at it'!

You, I, anyone, CANNOT 'sack' a Lord!

They are 'Lords' for life, no matter what 'crimes' they commit!

NOBODY can 'sack' them, NOBODY!

Alright for 'some' innit?

Jeffrey Archer for one.  There must be plenty more.
How can Jeffrey Archer be allowed to keep his peerage after being found guilty of perverting the course of justice and perjury.

This is the House of Lords where the laws of the UK are sanctioned.

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Post by Richard IV on 17.04.15 11:25

He`s The Right Honorable The Lord Archer of Weston Super Mare.  Do we have to bow to him? and show him reverence?

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Post by plebgate on 17.04.15 16:48

When did he last sit in the House of Lords?  When was the Alzheimers diagnosis first made?   Has he been attending the Lords and getting expenses within the recent past?

Why haven't we been told any of this?

His victims should take out a civil action and claim against his estate if possible.

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Post by noddy100 on 17.04.15 16:52

He last sat in the Lords in October 2014
Uri geller said he has been cognitively impaired for at least 2 years??????

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Post by plebgate on 17.04.15 16:58

Thank you Noddy.  

They truly are having a laugh at us ere commoners.   sheesh.

I hope that he can be sued and if his victims win, can take every penny from him.

It's about time these molesters were shown that they cannot get away with their disgusting way of life and end up laughing like hell at their victims.

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Post by plebgate on 17.04.15 16:59

@noddy100 wrote:He last sat in the Lords in October 2014
Uri geller said he has been cognitively impaired for at least 2 years??????
What does his doctor say about it I wonder?

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Post by Richard IV on 17.04.15 18:41

@plebgate wrote:
@noddy100 wrote:He last sat in the Lords in October 2014
Uri geller said he has been cognitively impaired for at least 2 years??????
What does his doctor say about it I wonder?

Alison Saunders said 4 doctors had given her their opinions.
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/apr/16/lord-janner-will-not-be-charged-despite-evidence-of-child-abuse

But how easy is it to pretend you have Alzheimers ?

How easy is it for a wealthy family to get the opinions of 4 doctors?

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Post by aquila on 17.04.15 19:08

@Richard IV wrote:
@plebgate wrote:
@noddy100 wrote:He last sat in the Lords in October 2014
Uri geller said he has been cognitively impaired for at least 2 years??????
What does his doctor say about it I wonder?

Alison Saunders said 4 doctors had given her their opinions.
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/apr/16/lord-janner-will-not-be-charged-despite-evidence-of-child-abuse

But how easy is it to pretend you have Alzheimers ?

How easy is it for a wealthy family to get the opinions of 4 doctors?
How easy is it for the wealthy establishment to get the opinions of 4 carefully selected doctors.

Is Alzheimers being proffered as the new get out of jail card is what really underpins all of this.

Just stating the bleeding obvious.

How about making all those in the House of Lords undergo a test for Alzheimers.

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Post by Doug D on 17.04.15 19:52

Exaro - Dec 2014
 
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Police have re-opened their investigation into allegations of child sex abuse against former Labour MP Lord Janner, Exaro can reveal.
The police investigation had come to a halt in the summer (so ‘summer’ 2014) after it was claimed that Janner was suffering from severe dementia and so was too ill to face any prosecution.
 
Exaro revealed on Twitter (@ExaroNews) in December last year (2013) that police had raided Janner’s home in Barnet, London. Police raided his office in the House of Lords in March (2014). They obtained a warrant from a crown court judge, and carried out the search in front of senior officials from the House of Lords.
In April (2014), police passed a file to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) for advice. But, as Exaro revealed, again on Twitter, police were not seeking authorisation for any charges.
The police were understood to have wanted advice about whether they could arrest Janner despite the claim that the 86-year-old peer was too ill.
The CPS has advised the police to continue their investigation so that it can decide whether charges are warranted. If Janner’s lawyers claim that he is too ill to face trial, prosecutors would insist on an independent medical assessment, and would potentially leave it for a court to decide whether he is fit enough.
 
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5424/lord-janner-faces-re-opened-police-probe-into-child-sex-abuse
 
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The police were questioning last April whether he was too ill to be arrested, yet he was still maintaining an office in HoL in March 2014, is said to have attended the Lords in October 2014, (although suggested elsewhere it may have been as recently as December 2014) and now gets the CPS to come up with this trump card.
 
Presumably there must be a register for HoL attendance that we can look at and make our own non-medical based judgements on his fitness to stand trial.

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Post by Doug D on 17.04.15 20:09

Convenient or what? The attendance last year looks to be wrong, but he was well enough to attend very regularly right up until the Dec 2013 police raid. I wonder where the suggestion came from that he better stay out of the way (and start to build up his get out of jail free card?)?
 
From The Mail:
 
Lord Janner attended the House of Lords 15 times in November 2013 and 12 times in December 2013. Police searched his home on December 20, 2013 and he has not attended Parliament since.
He last took part in a vote on November 26, 2013, on the Financial Services (Banking Reform) Bill. 
 
Lord Janner was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease in 2009 and requires round-the-clock care.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3041209/Labour-s-Janner-not-charged-alleged-child-abuse-Prosecutors-say-not-public-peer-86-trial-age-dementia.html

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Post by aquila on 17.04.15 20:19

Lord Janner was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease in 2009 and requires round-the-clock care.

Was Lord Janner dropped off by his 24 hour carers to sit in the HoL and have a jolly good lunch and get paid his attendance fee?

This is just the biggest load of...name your own expletive.

ETA: David Cameron was championing Alzheimers sufferers not so long back, sitting on a telly sofa in front of Philip Schofield who talked about information regarding paedophiles.

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Post by BlueBag on 18.04.15 7:26

People CAN be tried in their absence.

Margaret Moran ex Luton MP is one example.



Margaret Moran (born 24 April 1955) is a former Labour Party politician in the United Kingdom. She was the Member of Parliament (MP) for Luton South from 1997 to2010. In November 2012, jurors at Southwark Crown Court decided that she had falsified her Parliamentary expenses. She had been unable to stand trial because of mental health issues, but the case was heard without her.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Moran



Alison Saunders is a disgrace.


Can we complain?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 18.04.15 14:59

Saunders COULD have 'proceeded' with a 'trial of the facts' against Janner.

http://lawcommission.justice.gov.uk/news/2749.htm

The law on unfitness to plead sets out what should happen when a defendant is unable to play a meaningful part in their criminal trial because they have serious mental health or communication problems. It aims to strike a balance between supporting vulnerable defendants and ensuring that the rights of victims and the security of the general public are protected.

A defendant who is found ‘unfit’ is not tried in the usual way. The jury considers, at a ‘trial of the facts’, whether the defendant did the act they have been charged with. If they did, the Court can put measures in place to provide supervision and support for the defendant and protect the public.
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Saunders DILIBERATELY 'chose' not to!

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Post by PeterMac on 18.04.15 15:10

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044366/Janner-spoke-Lords-years-dementia-diagnosis-stopped-police-raid-home.html

Alison Millar, head of the abuse team at law firm Leigh Day, who represented an alleged victim of Lord Janner, said: 'The main option now for those who allege they were abused by Lord Janner, to ensure their claims are investigated and for their voice to be heard, is through a civil legal claim.
'We are currently investigating the feasibility of such a legal challenge.'
The news comes after it was revealed last night that Westminster attendance records show Janner attended the House of Lords almost daily and claimed more than £100,000 in expenses in the four years after he was diagnosed with the disease.
He only stopped attending Parliament – and claiming up to £300 a day for doing so – when child abuse police raided his house on December 2013. Even in that month he attended the Lords 12 times.


Ah, yes. That sort of Alzheimers. The Guinness sort that can be cured by release from prision and a bottle of champagne socialism

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Post by plebgate on 18.04.15 15:47

@PeterMac wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044366/Janner-spoke-Lords-years-dementia-diagnosis-stopped-police-raid-home.html

Alison Millar, head of the abuse team at law firm Leigh Day, who represented an alleged victim of Lord Janner, said: 'The main option now for those who allege they were abused by Lord Janner, to ensure their claims are investigated and for their voice to be heard, is through a civil legal claim.
'We are currently investigating the feasibility of such a legal challenge.'
The news comes after it was revealed last night that Westminster attendance records show Janner attended the House of Lords almost daily and claimed more than £100,000 in expenses in the four years after he was diagnosed with the disease.
He only stopped attending Parliament – and claiming up to £300 a day for doing so – when child abuse police raided his house on December 2013. Even in that month he attended the Lords 12 times.



Ah, yes. That sort of Alzheimers. The Guinness sort that can be cured by release from prision and a bottle of champagne socialism
IMO there is a very loud tinkle of taking the PSSSSS BIG TIME.  I hope that alleged victims are allowed to take out a civil claim.  Why not get the doctors in the dock too and swear on oath that he has Alzheimers?

Has this Lord voted on any major issues since being diagnosed with Alzheimers.   Was he medically examined before any vote (if he has)?  If not, why not?

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Worth a read !

Post by PeterMac on 19.04.15 9:35

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/19/establishment-stopped-me-exposing-greville-janner-25-years-ago

A little over 24 years ago, as a young freelance journalist on the Independent on Sunday, I telephoned the Leicester office of Raymonds News Agency and arranged for a reporter to cover an imminent pre-trial hearing at the city’s magistrates court. It was the sort of mundane hearing that would not normally trouble the media. A few days before, in a Leicester pub, I had met a solicitor’s clerk, to whom I had been introduced by a source on a previous story. The clerk told me that at the hearing a former children’s home manager called Frank Beck, who stood charged of sexually abusing the children in his care, would claim the man responsible for the offences was actually Leicester West’s long-standing MP, Greville, now Lord, Janner.

Events played out exactly as I had been told they would. At the hearing’s conclusion, Beck shouted out his claims and was duly wrestled to the floor by the clerk of the court, before being taken back to the cells. Rumours about Janner that had circulated in the city for some years were now recorded by the journalist I had placed there and thus out in the public domain.

Last week, the director of public prosecutions, Alison Saunders, announced that the now 86-year-old Janner would not be facing any charges on the grounds that he was suffering from dementia and therefore unfit to stand trial. It required the CPS to add that “this decision does not mean or imply that... Janner is guilty of any offence”. In turn, Janner’s family issued their own statement praising the man’s “integrity” before adding: “He is entirely innocent of any wrongdoing.”

However, in an exceptionally rare move, the CPS went on to detail the exact charges Janner would have faced had he been deemed well enough: the 22 sex offences, alleged to have taken place from 1969 to 1988, involving nine children and young adults then cared for in children’s homes. These ranged from indecent assaults to buggery. What’s more, Saunders admitted Janner should have been charged in 1991 and that there were two further missed opportunities in 2002 and 2007 when the “evidential test was passed”, meaning there was a realistic prospect of conviction.

Saunders has now appointed a high court judge to investigate the failings, though, if he likes, I can tell him now what went wrong and spare him the trouble.

The establishment, in the shape of his fellow MPs, men such as Labour’s Keith Vaz, Tory David Ashby and the then Lib Dem MP now Lord Carlile, closed ranks. Janner was a barrister and MP, a man who campaigned for justice for the victims of the Holocaust. It simply couldn’t be true. That Frank Beck was eventually found guilty of horrendous abuse charges and sent to prison (where he later died of a heart attack) aided them. Clearly Beck had been trying to save his own skin. The possibility that Janner had also been guilty didn’t seem to occur to them.

Faced by stories of cover-ups around paedophiles such as MPs Cyril Smith and Thatcher’s henchman Peter Hayman, hindsight can make it tough to get a handle on how such conspiracies functioned. Who covered up for whom? Did everybody collude to do so? What was the mechanism? Sometimes, as we can with the Janner case, you simply have to play the tape forward.

All reporters have stories that get away from them. The Janner story is mine. At the pub meeting, I was given copies of letters from Janner to one of his alleged victims. Only if you had been told a backstory do those letters look incriminating. They make arrangements to meet in hotels, talk of “mutual understanding” and sign off with expressions of “love”. My expectation was that these letters would be tested in court alongside other evidence.

Getting Beck’s shouted accusation about Janner suited my purposes. Since it happened in open court it put something on the record that at some point could be used in a story. While the Beck case was ongoing it was all sub judice and nothing further about Janner could be reported. The MP was also bound by the Contempt of Court Act. The moment Beck was found guilty, however, Janner declared in the House of Commons that there was “not a shred of truth in any of the allegations”.

What happened next was crucial. There was a (failed) parliamentary attempt to change the Contempt of Court Act to protect people named during proceedings in the way Janner had been. During the debate, many MPs, including Ashby and Carlile, spoke up for him. Key was Vaz, MP for the neighbouring Leicestershire constituency, who clearly hadn’t been party to the rumours circulating in his home town. He said his dear friend had been the “victim of a cowardly and wicked attack”. That was it. The story was dead. The Independent on Sunday was not a paper to be cowed by pressure from above, but it was simpler than that. Clearly Janner was set up. I don’t even recall being taken off the story. It was just never spoken of again.

Today, Vaz is chair of the Commons home affairs select committee. He enjoys portraying himself as a champion of the voiceless, happy to castigate the Home Office over its handling of the current investigation into child abuse. Last week, I asked Vaz via Twitter whether he had anything to say about Janner, given the CPS announcement. He responded by blocking me. He later unblocked me but, at the time of writing, has still not commented.

The temptation is to demand a law change to stop something like this happening again, but the law is perfectly adequate. It’s the way it has been exercised – or not exercised – that is at issue. In 1991, Janner consulted solicitor David Napley and the barrister George Carman, both now deceased. According to a source with knowledge of that meeting, Carman was astounded, based on what Janner had told him, that he was not later charged.

Leicestershire police are baffled now, too, and are apparently investigating ways of challenging the CPS decision. They even released a statement from an alleged victim. “If he was an everyday person with a normal life and job, justice would [have] been served,” he said. Curiously, it echoes Janner’s comments in 1997 about a man spared a trial for Nazi war crimes because of his age. “I am sorry that he was not tried while he was fit enough to stand,” he said. “There was absolutely no reason why he should have escaped charges forever.”

How was this allowed to happen? Perhaps it was simply force of personality, which I saw at first hand. In May 1992, Janner invited me to tea. I was intrigued. I knew people who worked for him and had been asking pointed questions. He must have known this. If so, he gave no indication. He cheerfully poured the tea, handed round sandwiches and talked light politics. He didn’t give the impression of a man who feared the judicial system catching up with him. As of last week, it never will.

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Post by BlueBag on 19.04.15 9:54

Whatever happened to the parliamentary child abuse enquiry?

The one where the New Zealand woman was chosen?

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Justice Lowell Goddard and her Establishment Links

Post by Knitted on 19.04.15 12:32

@BlueBag wrote:Whatever happened to the parliamentary child abuse enquiry?

The one where the New Zealand woman was chosen?
... you mean Justice Lowell Goddard who when MPs asked her if she was a member of the Establishment replied "We don't have such things in my country". Hmmh, maybe NZ is the most egalitarian place on Planet Earth, but considering her first husband was the Life Peer Sir John Scott, 5th Baronet of Beauclerc, (near St Andrews?) she still sounds a teeny tiny bit 'Establishment' to me!

Oh well, at least she's a respected NZ judge and has no track record of covering things up... Oh, hang on, I've just read that in 1994, when Deputy Solicitor General it's allegedd she covered up the misconduct of another judge who, when presiding over a criminal trial, acquitted his son’s law associate in an extortion case and subsequently ordered the names in the case be suppressed.  

http://www.kiwisfirst.com/judge-goddard-lie-parliament/

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Post by aquila on 19.04.15 12:41

@Knitted wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:Whatever happened to the parliamentary child abuse enquiry?

The one where the New Zealand woman was chosen?
... you mean Justice Lowell Goddard who when MPs asked her if she was a member of the Establishment replied "We don't have such things in my country". Hmmh, maybe NZ is the most egalitarian place on Planet Earth, but considering her first husband was the Life Peer Sir John Scott, 5th Baronet of Beauclerc, (near St Andrews?) she still sounds a teeny tiny bit 'Establishment' to me!

Oh well, at least she's a respected NZ judge and has no track record of covering things up... Oh, hang on, I've just read that in 1994, when Deputy Solicitor General it's allegedd she covered up the misconduct of another judge who, when presiding over a criminal trial, acquitted his son’s law associate in an extortion case and subsequently ordered the names in the case be suppressed.  

http://www.kiwisfirst.com/judge-goddard-lie-parliament/
I love a bit of New Zealand interference. I remember being told by people in NZ that Camilla's husband was affectionately called 'park your balls'...that NZ humour is a wheeze.

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As I predicted

Post by PeterMac on 21.04.15 11:46

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3048431/Labour-peer-Lord-Janner-sued-2-5million-civil-court-police-identify-25-alleged-victims-pursue-case-against-him.html

Labour peer Lord Janner could now be sued for £2.5million in civil court after police identify 25 alleged victims who could each pursue a case against him
Man allegedly abused in children's home has already instructed lawyers
His solicitor says suing could be 'only way to get some sort of justice'
Police identified 25 men allegedly abused by peer but case was dropped
CPS boss Alison Saunders said Janner is unfit to plead due to dementia
But the CPS has pursued other suspected paedophiles with illness

Lord Janner's alleged victims could sue him for £2.5million after being denied justice for the fourth time in 25 years when the CPS refused to prosecute him.
Police have identified 25 people who claim the Labour peer attacked them and each could claim for up to £100,000.
One man, allegedly attacked by Janner when he was living in a children's homes between 1981 and 1988, has already instructed lawyers to sue him and Leicestershire County Council for damages.
His solicitor Peter Garsden, president of the Association of Child Abuse Lawyers, has said that after a string of bungled investigations suing 'may be the only way the alleged victims are going to get some sort of justice'.
Several of those who claim to have been sexually abused say Janner got to them through paedophile Frank Beck, a manager of Leicester children's homes accused of abusing more than 200 boys.
The CPS last week said the 'core allegation' was that Lord Janner befriended Beck to access children 'to allow him to perpetrate serious sexual offences' on them. Beck died in jail in 1994.
Mr Garsden said: 'We are preparing a claim for this man against Lord Janner and Leicestershire County Council.
'The allegations involved the most extreme abuse. Our case is that Frank Beck was running the home where this man was introduced to Greville Janner.
'Perhaps this is the only way the alleged victims in this case are going to get some sort of justice.'


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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.04.15 13:39

Mr Garsden said: 'We are preparing a claim for this man against Lord Janner and Leicestershire County Council.
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So that would be the same Leicestershire County Council, whose 'social services' department were summoned 'invited' (post haste) to 'tea and biccies' at Rothley Manor, and who gave a 'clean' bill of health, to two doctors that had gone abroad with THREE children but returned to the UK with only TWO children. The Leicestershire social services having been 'TOLD' only by the 'missing' child's own parents, that the er, 'missing' child 'WAS abducted'.

LSS McCann dossier file 'report'......................'stamped' NFA? ('No Further Action')

Even though, despite that, the mother, of the 'missing' child, has 'threatened', TWICE, to 'wipe out' ('push button', 'car crash') ALL of her 'family'!

Yes, LSS, 'ALL' does include, mean, the McCann's last two remaining children!

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Re: Tory MP WARNED Simon Danczuk to back-off Westminster child abuse scandal

Post by Hobs on 21.04.15 22:05

@PeterMac wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3048431/Labour-peer-Lord-Janner-sued-2-5million-civil-court-police-identify-25-alleged-victims-pursue-case-against-him.html

Labour peer Lord Janner could now be sued for £2.5million in civil court after police identify 25 alleged victims who could each pursue a case against him
Man allegedly abused in children's home has already instructed lawyers
His solicitor says suing could be 'only way to get some sort of justice'
Police identified 25 men allegedly abused by peer but case was dropped
CPS boss Alison Saunders said Janner is unfit to plead due to dementia
But the CPS has pursued other suspected paedophiles with illness

Lord Janner's alleged victims could sue him for £2.5million after being denied justice for the fourth time in 25 years when the CPS refused to prosecute him.
Police have identified 25 people who claim the Labour peer attacked them and each could claim for up to £100,000.
One man, allegedly attacked by Janner when he was living in a children's homes between 1981 and 1988, has already instructed lawyers to sue him and Leicestershire County Council for damages.
His solicitor Peter Garsden, president of the Association of Child Abuse Lawyers, has said that after a string of bungled investigations suing 'may be the only way the alleged victims are going to get some sort of justice'.
Several of those who claim to have been sexually abused say Janner got to them through paedophile Frank Beck, a manager of Leicester children's homes accused of abusing more than 200 boys.
The CPS last week said the 'core allegation' was that Lord Janner befriended Beck to access children 'to allow him to perpetrate serious sexual offences' on them. Beck died in jail in 1994.
Mr Garsden said: 'We are preparing a claim for this man against Lord Janner and Leicestershire County Council.
'The allegations involved the most extreme abuse. Our case is that Frank Beck was running the home where this man was introduced to Greville Janner.
'Perhaps this is the only way the alleged victims in this case are going to get some sort of justice.'


I used to believe that only the criminal law actually worked.  
I am rapidly changing my view.
The plus side with a civil suit is it  doesn't have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt as in a criminal court case, it only has to show a Preponderance of Evidence that is, it is more likely than not that the plaintiff is telling the truth.


The quantum of evidence that constitutes a preponderance cannot be reduced to a simple formula. A preponderance of evidence has been described as just enough evidence to make it more likely than not that the fact the claimant seeks to prove is true. It is difficult to translate this definition and apply it to evidence in a case, but the definition serves as a helpful guide to judges and juries in determining whether a claimant has carried his or her burden of proof.
The majority of civil claims are subjected to a preponderance of evidence standard. If a court or legislature seeks to make a civil claim more difficult to prove, it may raise the evidentiary standard to one of clear and convincing evidence.

It may be that the plaintiffs have enough evidence to show their claims are true rather than the defendant's evidence that it isn't.

If i recall this is what happened to oj simpson , he lost the civl case to the tune of $33 million dollars give or take a few.

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