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Tory MP WARNED Simon Danczuk to back-off Westminster child abuse scandal

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Tory MP WARNED Simon Danczuk to back-off Westminster child abuse scandal

Post by tasprin on 06.07.14 9:26

Mail on Sunday

Call for a public inquiry into historic child abuse: Forget the expenses scandal. If MPs have harboured paedophiles, the damage to British democracy will be fatal 
MP SIMON DANCZUK
6 July 2014 July 2014
 
MPs will pay a heavy price for harbouring paedophiles in their midst. As I was I was making my way from the House of Commons on Monday night after a late vote a Tory minister stepped out of the shadows to confront me. I'd never spoken to him before in my life but he blocked my way and ushered me to one side. He warned me to think very carefully about what I was going to say the next day before the Home Affairs Select Committee when I'd be answering questions on child abuse. 'I hear you're about to challenge Lord Brittan about what he knew about child sex abuse,' he said. It wouldn't be a wise move, he advised me. 'It was all put to bed a long time ago.' He warned me I could even be responsible for his death. We looked at each other in silence for a second. I knew straight away he wasn't telling me this out of concern for the man's welfare. There was no compassion in his voice.

As politicians made their way out of Westminster, I had no doubt that other conversations like this were taking place. Indeed, this was confirmed when I spoke to other members of the Select Committee the next day. They'd been paid similar visits. Phone calls had been made. Members who'd previously indicated they would ask me who I thought knew about the VIP child abuse ring at the notorious Elm Guest House in southwest London were suddenly silent. During the committee hearing later that day, one MP asked if pressure had been put on me to keep quiet about suspected child abusers. I nodded. Yes, it had. The MP pursued it no further.
'During the committee hearing later that day, one MP asked if pressure had been put on me to keep quiet about suspected child abusers. I nodded. Yes, it had.'

The next day, several people said to me it was surprising no one on the committee had pursued this answer, demanding to know where the pressure was coming from. The answer is simple: it is because they all knew.

After being neglected for far too long, child abuse is now reviled at all levels of society. It generates disgust and anger. I welcome the Home Office announcement yesterday that a senior lawyer is to investigate claims that a paedophile sex ring at Westminster has been covered up. But it is no substitute for the full scale public inquiry needed to establish the truth once and for all. Recent events have led me to the inescapable conclusion that in politics, particularly when the focus is on members of parliament guilty of abusing children, it frequently generates indifference. That's not to say all politicians have a blind spot where this terrible crime is concerned.

MP Simon Danczuk was about to challenge Lord Brittan (centre) about what he knew about child sex abuse. Flanking Leon Brittan are Tory grandees Edward Heath and Willie Whitelaw
There are some great campaigners across all parties working hard to protect children – as evidenced by the 130 MPs who have signed up to a call for a public inquiry into historic child abuse. But among the higher echelons of party politics, where the real power resides, my impression is that there is little appetite to confront the abusers in their midst. Quite the opposite. The mood is defensive, the approach is dominated by silence. 'Move along, nothing to see here,' or 'what's the point in raking all that up old boy?' is the attitude I have seen time after time.

A few months ago police officers came to visit me to discuss an investigation into a current parliamentarian accused of horrific child abuse. I listened to some of the details of the alleged crimes and my stomach churned.

Did I think it was likely that their inquiries would be met by political interference, the police asked? I looked at them in utter disbelief. How can the police put a Cabinet Minister behind bars for lying about speeding points but be worried they couldn't properly investigate someone for child abuse? The incident spoke volumes about the mindset that pervades politics. This kind of obstructive, 'Look the other way, sweep it under the carpet' thinking threatens to drag politics to new depths of public hate.
I believe we're on the verge of a Savile-like scandal sweeping through Parliament. Yet, for most people at the top, this prospect is not even on their radar. They're completely impervious to it. If the political classes thought the expenses scandal was the worst nadir politics could experience in terms of public opprobrium they should think twice.

Once the idea that paedophiles have been lawmakers gains wider traction and people start to think political parties have knowingly harboured paedophiles then our parliamentary democracy will suffer an enormous, near fatal blow, the likes of which it will take years to recover from. That 's why it's so important that political leaders quickly get on the front foot where this issue is concerned. Grasp the nettle, order a Hillsborough-style inquiry into historic abuse and confront the failings of the past.

Let victims be finally heard. Nick Clegg has refused to investigate who knew about Sir Cyril Smith's appalling paedophilia in his party and it has cost the Lib Dems dear. But this problem is not exclusive to his party.

The Tories have yet to properly face up to the abuse of Margaret Thatcher's aide Sir Peter Morrison, outed by fellow Tories such as Edwina Currie as a paedophile after he died.

Equally, there are potentially problems on the horizon for Ed Miliband after police recently searched Greville Janner's office as part of an investigation into alleged child abuse committed by the Labour politician. David Cameron's former senior aide Patrick Rock is now facing trial over child abuse images and the former Liberal president Des Wilson has recently spoken about a Liberal MP who liked attractive boys and frequently had to be rescued from trouble after being picked up by the police. Against this unedifying backdrop, the spectre of former Home Secretary Leon Brittan's calamitous handling of a paedophile dossier given to him by his fellow MP, the late Geoffrey Dickens, looms large.
This is arguably the most damaging incident yet, given that the dossier is said to have named Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith and Establishment paedophiles and wasn't acted on. After previously denying all knowledge of the dossier, Brittan's muddled statements last week acknowledging he had indeed received a dossier and then confirming that it had disappeared will only make the public suspicious of another cover up to protect high society paedophiles. 'I know exactly what I am up against,' said Mr Dickens at the time, 'for I know that within the Establishment there are those who would not wish to see a change in the law.'
Last week, Mr Dickens's granddaughter Louise told me her grandad had been betrayed by Lord Brittan, who was Mr Dickens's parliamentary colleague and someone he regarded as a friend. 'My grandad was determined to do the right thing, he wanted to give abused children a voice and the Home Secretary dismissed his work,' she said. 'He was years ahead of his time,' she says of Mr Dickens and I believe she's right.
Only now is the full horror of what he warned of about to start sinking in. The NSPCC estimate that one in 20 children have been sexually abused. Thousands of children will never speak out against their abusers because they don't think anyone will believe them.

And so they carry it with them for the rest of their lives. It doesn't have to be like this. We can do a lot better job of protecting children. But it won't happen without political leadership. And nothing will really change until Parliament faces up to the scandalous abuses of power within every party that have ruined lives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2681949/Call-public-inquiry-historic-child-abuse-Forget-expenses-scandal-If-MPs-harboured-paedophiles-damage-British-democracy-fatal-says-MP-SIMON-DANCZUK.html

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Re: Tory MP WARNED Simon Danczuk to back-off Westminster child abuse scandal

Post by BlueBag on 06.07.14 10:51

Let's hope something comes from this and the slimy members of that cesspit are sent down.

But I suspect we will see token gestures, scapegoats and mostly whitewash.

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Post by puzzled on 06.07.14 11:27

@tasprin wrote:
 He warned me I could even be responsible for his death. We looked at each other in silence for a second. I knew straight away he wasn't telling me this out of concern for the man's welfare. There was no compassion in his voice.



Who is he talking about here? "The man's welfare.." Who is the man? Is he talking about Leon Brittan or someone else? 

Whoever it is, this is chilling.

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Post by Guest on 06.07.14 11:48

@puzzled wrote:
@tasprin wrote:
 He warned me I could even be responsible for his death. We looked at each other in silence for a second. I knew straight away he wasn't telling me this out of concern for the man's welfare. There was no compassion in his voice.



Who is he talking about here? "The man's welfare.." Who is the man? Is he talking about Leon Brittan or someone else? 

Whoever it is, this is chilling.


I interpreted it to mean LB puzzled.  You're right  skull

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Post by ChippyM on 06.07.14 12:28

Interesting choice of photo for this article, Ted Heath and Willie Whitelaw with Brittan.

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Post by mouse on 06.07.14 12:32

Yes, very chilling indeed. But not entirely surprising. Though what is interesting is the TV media presentation of this - they seem to cover the story from the snippets we have had so far - but no further journalistic probing appears to be happening. It's like they really don't want to run with it. And as for Milliband wanting an investigation into all of this........Err.....Why not ask your Deputy Leader Harriet and her old hubby a few questions about their association with PIE? I do believe there is a connection isn't there? Please do put me right if I'm wrong on that one. And are we not still awaiting for an apology from her....And what of those high legal bods still in situ? Also connected to PIE I believe.

To put it politely - this 'unhealthy interest' in children covers all parties/all classes (though I hate to classify anyone) and every career. We have to wake up and realise, those of us that do not share this interest - that some people we meet through work/play/relationships family or otherwise may not be as they appear on the surface. Those who have a highly paid job/celebrity status or working in the field of the law/medical profession or holding a position on a charity board, or carrying charitable work out - that this does not make them immune to suspect status. Sadly, particularly for those who are completely innocent and are genuinely trying to do good works - their chosen profession may become more difficult - but we have to put the welfare of children first.

Interesting to know if they are going to pursue this LB story.....or whether it will just fizzle out in the usual 'Move Along Now Nothing More To See' stylie

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Post by ChippyM on 06.07.14 12:37

@mouse wrote:Yes, very chilling indeed. But not entirely surprising. Though what is interesting is the TV media presentation of this - they seem to cover the story from the snippets we have had so far - but no further journalistic probing appears to be happening. It's like they really don't want to run with it.....

I don't think anyone wants to be the first to stick their neck above the parapet. It's due to a great fear of being the one to stand out and the comfort of conformity. For years David Icke has said there was wide scale abuse in our governments and he named names, he has got endless hassle and ridicule for speaking up.   There's that and the legal aspect but I believe the need to conform is the most powerful thing that keeps people quiet.

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Post by mouse on 06.07.14 12:53

@ChippyM wrote:
@mouse wrote:Yes, very chilling indeed. But not entirely surprising. Though what is interesting is the TV media presentation of this - they seem to cover the story from the snippets we have had so far - but no further journalistic probing appears to be happening. It's like they really don't want to run with it.....

I don't think anyone wants to be the first to stick their neck above the parapet. It's due to a great fear of being the one to stand out and the comfort of conformity. For years David Icke has said there was wide scale abuse in our governments and he named names, he has got endless hassle and ridicule for speaking up.   There's that and the legal aspect but I believe the need to conform is the most powerful thing that keeps people quiet.
I too believe ChippyM - that this subject is a no-go area. That careers/lives/reputations could be ruined if you put your head above that parapet. Nobody wants to live under a threatening cloud, nor do they want their families to live under such a threat. Just look at past whistle blowers (not only about child abuse) who are/were supposed to be protected. People who do this, the brave ones, usually have their characters completely assassinated before any justice is seen to be done, if at all. And even then, they are usually left worse off and unemployable to the profession they once loved.

Goncalo Amaral comes to mind as one of those Special Brave Ones!!!

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Post by Woofer on 06.07.14 14:01

Bravo Simon Danczuk - lots of people on twitter asking him to name the Tory minister who threatened him last Monday.

Telegraph also running it :-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10949366/Simon-Danczuk-I-was-warned-not-to-challenge-Leon-Brittan-over-paedophile-dossier.html

Interesting its Michael Gove that has said there will not be a public enquiry into it.

Is Michael Gove Jewish as well?

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Post by mouse on 06.07.14 14:18

I agree that this Labour MP - should name the Tory MP who threatened him - as he has pretty much caused a witch hunt on all Tory MPs now - backed up by your comment Wooofer below! A bit like when Ulrika Johnson said she had been raped by another TV Presenter. Or is that what this MP is attempting to do - cause a witch hunt on the tory party?  IMO No Party is coming across very well in all of this, and all have their own agendas/motives to point the finger away. 

Also - I fail to see what someone's religion has to do with this?

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Post by sar on 06.07.14 14:30

yeah, Gove said this morning he didn't want an overarching "Savile" style enquiry, wonder why not?   What's he afraid it will uncover??    Apparently David Mellor has crawled out from under some rock and allegedly said he didn't want a "witch-hunt" what, like the one that uncovered Savile / Gliter / Harris / Smith / Hall et al???

Are these people f**king serious?  So glad child abusers get attacked in prison.  I know that is 'unchristian', but with the sort of help, plaudits justice they get on the outside they get what they deserve inside.

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Post by mouse on 06.07.14 14:42

@sar wrote:yeah, Gove said this morning he didn't want an overarching "Savile" style enquiry, wonder why not?   What's he afraid it will uncover??    Apparently David Mellor has crawled out from under some rock and allegedly said he didn't want a "witch-hunt" what, like the one that uncovered Savile / Gliter / Harris / Smith / Hall et al???

Are these people f**king serious?  So glad child abusers get attacked in prison.  I know that is 'unchristian', but with the sort of help, plaudits justice they get on the outside they get what they deserve inside.

Possibly - and I'm not on anybody's side on this - because the 'Savile' enquiry has got us, after an awful lot of expense - to the grand conclusion of nowhere. Pretty much the same way the BBC investigation has gone. I mean, nobody has been brought to book, nobody alive that is, and nobody has lost their job. Perhaps after the sham of the Levenson inquiry - called for by the Labour party and Hugh Grant and his pals - they are a little concerned as to this all turning into another directionless expense. We all know it should be investigated, and if this country truly wanted a genuine expose - the police would be called in and heads would roll......but the likelihood of this happening...........???????

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Post by comperedna on 06.07.14 14:53

Agree with mouse that a person's religion is totally irrelevant in this business.

As for an MP button-holing another MP and telling him to back off and saying someone could get killed (presumably for talking) !!!!! He who was warned off assumed it might have been LB who was at risk. It might not have been.

I am reminded of the death of Jill Dando who knew a lot about a lot for being involved with Crimewatch, and who was undoubtedly efficiently bumped off execution-style, possibly because of what she might have been going to report.

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Post by bobbin on 06.07.14 15:25


http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/06/child-abuse-coverup-1980s-lord-tebbit
snipped from article above to indicate Margaret Hodge’s comments.
 
Sedwill told Vaz: "Like any other citizen, I am horrified by what we have learned in the past couple of years about the systematic abuse of children and vulnerable adults by prominent public figures, and the state's failure to protect them. Some have been brought to justice, and I hope that the police investigations now under way across the country are equally successful. The Home Office has and will cooperate fully with any police inquiry."
Vaz said the number of files lost were on an "industrial scale". He told BBC Breakfast that he welcomed the letter from Sedwill, adding: "We will want to pose further questions, of course, because there's a lot of information that we didn't know was in existence that he's given us in this letter.
"But also I think that the government and Mr Sedwill should work with parliament in fashioning a set of terms of reference that will satisfy all those who are dissatisfied with the way in which matters have been progressed so far - so I think it's an important step which we welcome."
Margaret Hodge, the Labour MP who chairs the public accounts committee, criticised the "veil of secrecy" over the issue.
Appearing on Sky News's Murnaghan programme, she added: "Thank God it is coming out into the open. I think the really interesting thing about it is there has been a veil of secrecy over the establishment for far too long.
"Now the establishment, who thought they were always protected … find actually they are subject to the same rigours of the law, and that's right.
"What we really need to get right as well is how children are cared for today. Let's learn from the historic abuse, let's actually give victims the right to have their voice on that, but let's actually also focus on the present."
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Post by mouse on 06.07.14 16:34

In reply to Bobbin's post

Margaret Hodge covered up child abuse in Islington Care Homes

Yes Minister, you were told about child abuse in the care homes, yet you refused to listen;

SPECIAL STANDARD INVESTIGATION: When Margaret Hodge led Islington council, she knew about sex abuse in care homes under her control. Yet she kept quiet and pilloried social workers who raised concerns. Now the original whistleblower wants the Minister for Children brought to account.
Evening Standard, 30th June 2003

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The brass neck of these MP's - Margarget Hodge, pointing the finger when she has form herself. Many articles published on various websites at the time, but nothing happened to her or her career. Nothing sticks to these people. It is as if they think they are untouchable.....perhaps they are!

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Post by Gillyspot on 06.07.14 18:35

@ChippyM wrote:Interesting choice of photo for this article, Ted Heath and Willie Whitelaw with Brittan.
Yes indeed. Heath used to sail his yacht Morning Sickness Cloud around Jersey (near Haut De La Garenne)

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Post by Hicks on 06.07.14 23:02

Was there ever a country so vile and corrupt as the UK ?

I think it was Putin who said a few years ago that the British government was 'full of perverts'.....looks like he was right after all.

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Post by tasprin on 06.07.14 23:48

50,000+ signatures so far

CHANGE.org PETITION Petitioning David Cameron and Theresa May
  
Establish a national inquiry into allegations of organised child abuse





Petition by TOM WATSON

West Bromwich, United Kingdom
 
For the past two years I've been working with a cross party group of MPs, survivors and experts looking into allegations of child abuse which may have involved senior Westminster and Whitehall figures in the 1970s and 80s.
This week it has emerged that files detailing the allegations have gone missing.
Many survivors of child abuse believe they have been let down by system of child protection in the UK.
Thousands had nowhere to turn. Nobody listened and nobody helped.
The missing Home Office files and the failure of previous police and local authority inquiries has meant that MPs from all the political parties have supported calls for an overarching national inquiry.
Government should make amends for historic failures to act by establishing an independent national inquiry into organised child abuse.
We owe it to the survivors. They expect nothing less.

To:
David Cameron and Theresa May


Please establish a national inquiry into allegations of organised child abuse.

Sincerely,
[Your name
]

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/david-cameron-and-theresa-may-establish-a-national-inquiry-into-allegations-of-organised-child-abuse

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Post by AndyB on 06.07.14 23:55

Sorry Tasparin but I can't support that. Only a Hillsborough style enquiry will work, not an establishment child raping judge lead one

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Post by tasprin on 07.07.14 0:11

A Hillsborough-type inquiry would be my choice too Andy - I don't trust them either - but at least this petition, if seen by many, may raise awareness.



David Mellor has appeared on the news, complaining about a witch hunt. No surprise there.

Norman Tebbit says 'there may well have been [a cover-up] but it was almost unconscious, it was the thing that people did at that time'  eek

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