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Goncalo Amaral,"Sick and bankrupt".

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Re: Goncalo Amaral,"Sick and bankrupt".

Post by jeanmonroe on 23.06.14 20:15

You, McCanns, cannot kill an Ideology.

"A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on. Ideas have endurance without death."
— John F. Kennedy
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What is the most resilient parasite? ...................................An idea.
A single idea from the human mind can build cities, rewrite all the rules, and transform the world. Neither armies, nor dictators, nor even mortality have power over them; people die, but their ideas do not.
In fiction, we get heroes dying but hope passed onto the audience by knowing that somehow his idea has lived on. Sometimes the hero is a martyr and his death is a beginning as people use it for inspiration; they are throwing off some kind of mind-breaking torture attempt to show that the forces of fascism can't control them.
A book of philosophy or some diary may have survived him, or one of his inner circle may tell his tale and so the story ends on a happy note,but not too happy.
Our story is sad but the tide of inevitable revolution will come.
The Trope Namer is American civil rights activist Medgar Evers, who stated that "you can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea." He was later shot dead by a Klansman, but the civil rights movement endured.

Super Trope of Can't Stop The Signal.
The characters who pass on the idea are likely Doomed Moral Victors. Likely to inspire an Innocent Bystander to make a Defiant Stone Throw.
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Don't the McCanns get it?

They can 'remove' one man, two men, but 20 more will spring up in his/their place, to 'carry on' what he/they started.

How many 'Christians' did the Romans 'get rid of'?

Still all them 'new' Christians still here, innit?

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Re: Goncalo Amaral,"Sick and bankrupt".

Post by tiny on 23.06.14 20:34

I think the mccann are very worried about the things he does know that he hasn't spoken about yet
That's why they have to try to shut him up

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Re: Goncalo Amaral,"Sick and bankrupt".

Post by PIForHire on 23.06.14 20:43

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aquila wrote:
I believe the Mc's picked the wrong battle, the wrong battlefield and the wrong person to tangle with when they took on Goncalo Amaral. I don't believe they and their legal teams ever thought it would get this far.

Have faith for a while longer folks. It's not over yet and when the fat lady sings I expect to hear her sing a song in Portuguese.
Which brings swiftly to mind the following words on page 290 of Dr Kate McCann's book 'madeleine':

"Friends flag up some of the worst offenders for us, but in the end it comes down to picking your battles. You could spend your whole life doing nothing but trying to shut down crank websites with little prospect of success".
You must consider their choice of victims a little flattering?

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Post by lj on 23.06.14 20:54

@aquila wrote:"Sick and Bankrupt"

I'm reserving those words for the McCanns.

Sickness.....

of the soul

of the mind

of the body

Bankruptcy.....

emotional bankruptcy

probably never financial bankruptcy (that thar Limited company and secret benefactors are water-tight imo).

..........................................................

Kate ran a marathon (do see her on Lorraine's sofa). She ran a marathon for Missing People (the charity that has no authority to look for missing children abroad).

Kate spoke of her bad feet and how she'd had operations blah blah and yet she ran a marathon. Lorraine fawned over her saying she's a finisher.

Well KM was a finisher and now she's finished imo.

Dr. Amaral is not finished by a long chalk and I hope this doesn't get into a 'poor GA, look how they've reduced a man with diabetes'. That would be discrediting the man and placing him on a par with Kate's bad feet in a very sick media campaign.

Just my opinion.

Great post Aquila

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Re: Goncalo Amaral,"Sick and bankrupt".

Post by Beanie on 23.06.14 21:06

@Brian Griffin wrote:
dantezebu wrote:How can GA lose?
Because Gerry McCann is a Freemason.

That's the answer to every 'How could they possibly...?' question.

(In my opinion, of course).
Brian, I totally agree.

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Re: Goncalo Amaral,"Sick and bankrupt".

Post by Beanie on 23.06.14 21:14

@tasprin wrote:
@Newintown wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:I also agree with your post canada12

The thing that I thought when they said that everytime they go to Lisbon they have to arrange childcare etc. was, who embarked on all of that then? It's not as though they are being dragged into court unfairly by someone else, they decided they wanted to pursue all of this.

Yes, in their fury and hatred towards GA in that press interview they totally forgot who started off the libel case.  They are so desperate to get their hands on the £1m that all reason has gone out of the window with them.

As important as the money is to them, imo, I think what they really want is to destroy Amaral.
Precisely, IMO money is of no importance to them anymore, sink or swim, they want to bury Amaral at any cost.

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Post by fossey on 23.06.14 21:25

@Beanie wrote:Precisely, IMO money is of no importance to them anymore, sink or swim, they want to bury Amaral at any cost.
Can't agree with that at all Beanie.

Money is extremely important to them. They need it. They are desperate for it.

When the money runs out then so does the protection.

They know that and it is written all over there faces.

However, yes I agree that they want to bury GA and will fight to the bitter end in order to try and succeed. 

They won't though. 

GA will win the war and the REAL truth will eventually come out.

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Post by canada12 on 23.06.14 21:30

@Beanie wrote:
@Brian Griffin wrote:
dantezebu wrote:How can GA lose?
Because Gerry McCann is a Freemason.

That's the answer to every 'How could they possibly...?' question.

(In my opinion, of course).
Brian, I totally agree.

Do we actually have any proof that Gerry is a freemason? Could he have convinced people who were freemasons to support him, simply on the basis of the behaviours he demonstrated? (the weird bowing down with his bum in the air, the pictures drawn on the posterboard, etc.)

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Post by Guest on 23.06.14 21:32

@fossey wrote:
@Beanie wrote:Precisely, IMO money is of no importance to them anymore, sink or swim, they want to bury Amaral at any cost.
Can't agree with that at all Beanie.

Money is extremely important to them. They need it. They are desperate for it.

When the money runs out then so does the protection.

They know that and it is written all over there faces.

However, yes I agree that they want to bury GA and will fight to the bitter end in order to try and succeed. 

They won't though. 

GA will win the war and the REAL truth will eventually come out.

I agree, fossey, and also with Tiny upthread @ 8.34pm.

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Post by Brian Griffin on 23.06.14 21:39

@canada12 wrote:
@Beanie wrote:
@Brian Griffin wrote:
dantezebu wrote:How can GA lose?
Because Gerry McCann is a Freemason.

That's the answer to every 'How could they possibly...?' question.

(In my opinion, of course).
Brian, I totally agree.

Do we actually have any proof that Gerry is a freemason? Could he have convinced people who were freemasons to support him, simply on the basis of the behaviours he demonstrated? (the weird bowing down with his bum in the air, the pictures drawn on the posterboard, etc.)
Good point! I thought it was generally accepted that he is a Freemason. You could always ask him! I don't think Masons have to hide the fact that they are Masons. The bowing down thing they did was very odd, especially as (if the TV reconstruction was accurate) they both did it together as though on cue. I'd associate that gesture with Islamic prayer rather than Freemasonry, but then, I'm not a Mason so I don't know.

I think if we start looking for Masonic symbols in everything we're going to get a bit Dan Brown about all this. Don't want to go there. That's my Summative Overview at any rate.

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Re: Goncalo Amaral,"Sick and bankrupt".

Post by canada12 on 23.06.14 21:50

@Brian Griffin wrote:
@canada12 wrote:
@Beanie wrote:
@Brian Griffin wrote:
dantezebu wrote:How can GA lose?
Because Gerry McCann is a Freemason.

That's the answer to every 'How could they possibly...?' question.

(In my opinion, of course).
Brian, I totally agree.

Do we actually have any proof that Gerry is a freemason? Could he have convinced people who were freemasons to support him, simply on the basis of the behaviours he demonstrated? (the weird bowing down with his bum in the air, the pictures drawn on the posterboard, etc.)
Good point! I thought it was generally accepted that he is a Freemason. You could always ask him! I don't think Masons have to hide the fact that they are Masons. The bowing down thing they did was very odd, especially as (if the TV reconstruction was accurate) they both did it together as though on cue. I'd associate that gesture with Islamic prayer rather than Freemasonry, but then, I'm not a Mason so I don't know.

I think if we start looking for Masonic symbols in everything we're going to get a bit Dan Brown about all this. Don't want to go there. That's my Summative Overview at any rate.

I've always assumed that he was a Freemason because everyone keeps saying that he is. But I haven't seen anything that proves it. I've seen him demonstrate behaviour that people have said is a Freemasonry sign, and I've seen him draw pictures that people have said look like a Freemasonry symbol. I tend to agree with both of these assertions. But I'm registering my vote as a sceptic, and I personally think this could be just another cynical example of the McCanns getting support where there might not otherwise have been support forthcoming. In fact, could it happen that the Freemasons themselves have been "had" by Gerry, conned into helping a "brother" when he's not a brother at all. Has anyone who is actually a Freemason checked his membership?

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Post by fossey on 23.06.14 22:03

You will be hard pushed to find any 'cast iron evidence' that Gerry is a Freemason.

There will always be speculation that he is but very difficult to prove.

IMO I believe he is. Probably a fairly 'new recruit' I would of thought. 

He certainly associated himself with other 'possible' high ranking Masons very quickly anyway.

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Post by Okeydokey on 23.06.14 22:31

@Brian Griffin wrote:
@canada12 wrote:
@Beanie wrote:
@Brian Griffin wrote:
dantezebu wrote:How can GA lose?
Because Gerry McCann is a Freemason.

That's the answer to every 'How could they possibly...?' question.

(In my opinion, of course).
Brian, I totally agree.

Do we actually have any proof that Gerry is a freemason? Could he have convinced people who were freemasons to support him, simply on the basis of the behaviours he demonstrated? (the weird bowing down with his bum in the air, the pictures drawn on the posterboard, etc.)
Good point! I thought it was generally accepted that he is a Freemason. You could always ask him! I don't think Masons have to hide the fact that they are Masons. The bowing down thing they did was very odd, especially as (if the TV reconstruction was accurate) they both did it together as though on cue. I'd associate that gesture with Islamic prayer rather than Freemasonry, but then, I'm not a Mason so I don't know.

I think if we start looking for Masonic symbols in everything we're going to get a bit Dan Brown about all this. Don't want to go there. That's my Summative Overview at any rate.

I agree we shouldn't go overboard on the FM but on the other hand you can't ignore it - there is plenty of documented evidence.

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Post by Guest on 23.06.14 22:36

http://fallingmasonry.info/masonic-notables.html

Not certain by any means. But if he is, we can forget justice for Madeleine, Goncalo and Tony. In my opinion.

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Post by Beanie on 23.06.14 22:41

@fossey wrote:
@Beanie wrote:Precisely, IMO money is of no importance to them anymore, sink or swim, they want to bury Amaral at any cost.
Can't agree with that at all Beanie.

Money is extremely important to them. They need it. They are desperate for it.

When the money runs out then so does the protection.

They know that and it is written all over there faces.

However, yes I agree that they want to bury GA and will fight to the bitter end in order to try and succeed. 

They won't though. 

GA will win the war and the REAL truth will eventually come out.
IMO opinion the protection has already gone, which is why they desperately need to win this case against Goncalo at all costs.

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Post by fossey on 23.06.14 22:42

Dee Coy wrote:http://fallingmasonry.info/masonic-notables.html

Not certain by any means. But if he is, we can forget justice for Madeleine, Goncalo and Tony. In my opinion.
From the link for those who don't do links. 


[th]Gerry McCann[/th]
Father of Madeleine McCann, who went missing in Praia da LuzSuggested as a Freemason by an email contributor to the site

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Post by missbeetle on 23.06.14 22:51



Does Gerry wear monogrammed shirts?

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Post by XTC on 23.06.14 22:54

@PeterMac wrote:1.Everyone shall possess the right to freely express and publicise his thoughts in words, images or by any other means, as well as the right to inform others, inform himself and be informed without hindrance or discrimination

2.Exercise of the said rights shall not be hindered or limited by any type or form of censorship


Constitution of the Portuguese Republic, Article 37.º
The interesting question for me as I'm no legal eagle is what exactly is Mr Amaral being sued for? Is it slander ( spoken  words) and/or libel ( written words)?

For my money this is not about justice for Madeliene or the Mccanns. 1.2m Euros will not find Madeleine or find out her whereabouts so it has
to a compensation claim - damages to reputation etc. You can't damage Madeleine's reputation she isn't around I'm afraid therefore the 'damages' for defamation has to be for the parents and the twins.

The point is that the PJ original team came to their report/conclusion and doesn't appear to vary from the book. If this is true then it is not just Mr Amaral the parents should be suing it should be the PJ and possibly the Portuguese Judiciary. It was being made arguidos and the Final Report  that led to rounds of libel cases against the media so if the Mccans believe that these stories were a misrepresentation and distortion of the facts in the case of the media then this must be true of the PJ and AG also.

As far as I am aware the Portuguese Judiciary have not been threatened with anything vis justice for Madeliene or damages to the parents/family. Apart from the amount of lawyers behind the Portuguese state and limitless amounts of money ( to an extent of course)
the easier target is an individual. That individual is Mr Amaral.

Bearing in mind the above quote - issued on behalf of the State in the Constitution Mr Amaral may not do himself any harm in counter-suing
either the McCanns or the Portuguese State itself for oveerriding his rights as a Portuguese Citizen. If he loses his case ( I don't think he will but the money will not be released beacause appeals galore will be made ) then he should petiton the Portuguese Courts to back his action
bearing in mind the Constitution. He should get lawyerly advice free paid for by the very state who put into law Article 37.º

Allegedly the Law should be applied equally in any Democratic country but as we know and experience the deeper the pockets the more chance of a win. If he did decide to countersue I would expect that what has been done to him ( in respect of freezing assets etc ) could be done to the party he was suing under the same Portugues Law? That is if justice is appplied equally?

If by chance he does lose this case then he has nothing to lose in the future by my humble opinion.

p.s. I think the Judge in this case is not easily swayable by petitions emotional or otherwise from any party. As a Judge you cannot say to a Jury or witnesses ignore everything you see and hear in the media and do the very opposite yourself. I don't think she will as it her job to
uphold and apply the Law and not to undermine it.

Opinion though.

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Post by cassius on 23.06.14 23:06

@fossey wrote:You will be hard pushed to find any 'cast iron evidence' that Gerry is a Freemason.

There will always be speculation that he is but very difficult to prove.

IMO I believe he is. Probably a fairly 'new recruit' I would of thought. 

He certainly associated himself with other 'possible' high ranking Masons very quickly anyway.
Who are you talking about ?

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Post by Cordelia on 23.06.14 23:11

@tasprin wrote:I don't know the date Cordelia, but this is an extract from Len Port's book 'A Place Apart' (see mccannfiles.com)

"Amaral sank to a low ebb as well. With pent up frustrations over what he regarded as bias by the UK authorities and non-cooperation by the McCanns, he resigned from the police service and became the target of insults in the British press. His marriage broke down, he moved away from his daughter in Lisbon, grieved over the death of both his mother and father, and lost weight through illness".


I read the extract from Len Port's book as well, not very impressed . This is my personal opinion on the case, the Portugese Police were too soft with the McCanns from the very beginning .Gerry phoned Tony Blair within an hour of Madeleine reporteed missing, Blair in turn phoned John Buck, the Ambassador to ask him to go to help the McCanns in PDL who was later to advise the Foreign Office to be wary of the McCanns .  What was it about the McCanns that they had Blairs number and could command such support.? This is where the Portugese Police should have stepped in and controlled the investigation instead of allowing the McCanns  a daily bulletin to the Worlds Press.

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Post by cassius on 23.06.14 23:15

@Cordelia wrote:
@tasprin wrote:I don't know the date Cordelia, but this is an extract from Len Port's book 'A Place Apart' (see mccannfiles.com)

"Amaral sank to a low ebb as well. With pent up frustrations over what he regarded as bias by the UK authorities and non-cooperation by the McCanns, he resigned from the police service and became the target of insults in the British press. His marriage broke down, he moved away from his daughter in Lisbon, grieved over the death of both his mother and father, and lost weight through illness".


I read the extract from Len Port's book as well, not very impressed . This is my personal opinion on the case, the Portugese Police were too soft with the McCanns from the very beginning .Gerry phoned Tony Blair within an hour of Madeleine reporteed missing, Blair in turn phoned John Buck, the Ambassador to ask him to go to help the McCanns in PDL who was later to advise the Foreign Office to be wary of the McCanns .  What was it about the McCanns that they had Blairs number and could command such support.? This is where the Portugese Police should have stepped in and controlled the investigation instead of allowing the McCanns  a daily bulletin to the Worlds Press.
Who told you GM called Tony Blair?

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Post by fossey on 23.06.14 23:18

@cassius wrote:
@fossey wrote:You will be hard pushed to find any 'cast iron evidence' that Gerry is a Freemason.

There will always be speculation that he is but very difficult to prove.

IMO I believe he is. Probably a fairly 'new recruit' I would of thought. 

He certainly associated himself with other 'possible' high ranking Masons very quickly anyway.
Who are you talking about ?
Brown, Smethurst, Kennedy.

The list could go on. 

IMO of course.

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Post by cassius on 23.06.14 23:21

@fossey wrote:
@cassius wrote:
@fossey wrote:You will be hard pushed to find any 'cast iron evidence' that Gerry is a Freemason.

There will always be speculation that he is but very difficult to prove.

IMO I believe he is. Probably a fairly 'new recruit' I would of thought. 

He certainly associated himself with other 'possible' high ranking Masons very quickly anyway.
Who are you talking about ?
Brown, Smethurst, Kennedy.

The list could go on. 

IMO of course.
Is Gordon Brown a mason?

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Post by missbeetle on 23.06.14 23:22



(snipped from an interview with Goncalo Amaral, in an aimoo archive called '3A Kazluz Meeting with Goncalo Amaral and Sofia Leal', dated 12/11/2010)

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Post by Guest on 23.06.14 23:24

@XTC wrote:

The interesting question for me as I'm no legal eagle is what exactly is Mr Amaral being sued for? Is it slander ( spoken  words) and/or libel ( written words)?

I thought the basis for the MC's claim was that the book and documentary hindered the search for Madeleine and caused them psychological damage.
It is not actually a libel case.
I may be wrong though.

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