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Goncalo Amaral,"Sick and bankrupt".

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Post by Guest on 23.06.14 14:25

How can GA lose?
The McCann's claim "The Truth of the Lie" damaged the search for Madeleine. 
That is not true. There are two police investigations active at the present time searching for Madeleine. It could even be argued that GA's book was a factor in initiating these by keeping the case in the spotlight. One of these investigation even seems to have no financial restraints.
The McCann's also claim that they and their two remaining children were traumatised by the book. That is not true. They have presented no evidence to support that fact before the judge. They have not even submitted a psychiatric report to show evidence of this. A few emails and telephone calls over a period of years with a man who is not even a psychologist never mind a psychiatrist does not fit with the claim of severe secondary psychological trauma. They did not present any evidence of antidepressant medication they had been prescribed even, for this E 1,200 000 worth of damage.
The remaining evidence is hearsay and does not prove anything. Publicly they have seen out and about, running, events and even football matches. A person suffering from post-traumatic shock would be most unlikely to be doing this.
In fact any symptoms they have claimed could equally fit with the fact that the book contained the truth and that was the cause of any psychological damage. 
And I imagine the twins have not read the book, so they could definitely not have been traumatised.

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Post by jozi on 23.06.14 14:46

dantezebu wrote:How can GA lose?
The McCann's claim "The Truth of the Lie" damaged the search for Madeleine. 
That is not true. There are two police investigations active at the present time searching for Madeleine. It could even be argued that GA's book was a factor in initiating these by keeping the case in the spotlight. One of these investigation even seems to have no financial restraints.
The McCann's also claim that they and their two remaining children were traumatised by the book. That is not true. They have presented no evidence to support that fact before the judge. They have not even submitted a psychiatric report to show evidence of this. A few emails and telephone calls over a period of years with a man who is not even a psychologist never mind a psychiatrist does not fit with the claim of severe secondary psychological trauma. They did not present any evidence of antidepressant medication they had been prescribed even, for this E 1,200 000 worth of damage.
The remaining evidence is hearsay and does not prove anything. Publicly they have seen out and about, running, events and even football matches. A person suffering from post-traumatic shock would be most unlikely to be doing this.
In fact any symptoms they have claimed could equally fit with the fact that the book contained the truth and that was the cause of any psychological damage.
And I imagine the twins have not read the book, so they could definitely not have been traumatised.
I think this is why Mrs McC is looking so bad.....got to show WHAT the book has done to her !!! She never even looked so bad at the beginning when her child was supposed to be abducted ?

They positively bloomed all the way through that summer !

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Post by Cristobell on 23.06.14 15:17

I think the stress of what they are about to lose is eating them alive.  I am sure News International and the Express settled with them in 2008, because their legal advisors would have warned them about the costs of a long protracted libel trial - the point being that even giant corporations with billions behind them chose to settle rather than incur further costs in fighting it.  Besides which, the 'McCanns are Innocent' campaign was in full flow and most of the public were behind them.  It would have been an unpopular move to oppose the celebrity pair.

How times have changed.  No newspapers are calling for justice for the McCanns in their libel trial.  They can barely bring themselves to report it, and when they do, they tie themselves up in word knots to avoid mentioning the case is all about grieving parents demands for cash and need to destroy the Portuguese detective who worked day and night to find their daughter. 

There is an unhappy time for the McCanns, there have no appearances on Lorraine's sofa to explain their case, and OFM page has failed even to acknowledge what has been happening in Lisbon.   The recent poll on whether they should pursue their case against Goncalo Amaral, gave them a resounding No.  No-one believes in it, we could see that from the motley assortment of witnesses they produced to make their case. 

They can't win, nor should they, but they have to see it through.

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Post by Brian Griffin on 23.06.14 15:48

dantezebu wrote:How can GA lose?
Because Gerry McCann is a Freemason.

That's the answer to every 'How could they possibly...?' question.

(In my opinion, of course).

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Post by Miraflores on 23.06.14 16:00

......and OFM page has failed even to acknowledge what has been happening in Lisbon.

Indeed. The latest post is 11 minutes ago, exhorting people to download a poster, because Elizabeth Smart was found from being identified from a poster.

Well, not quite. According to that fount of knowledge, wikipedia, it was the kidnapper who was recognised. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Smart_kidnapping

"On March 12, 2003, just over nine months after the abduction, Mitchell, who was now wanted by police for questioning, was spotted traveling with two companions in Sandy, Utah, by an alert biker who had heard of the kidnapping on America's Most Wanted the night before and alerted police. The companions were Elizabeth Smart—disguised in a gray wig, sunglasses, and veil — and Wanda Ileen Barzee. Smart was finally recognized by the officers during questioning, and was promptly reunited with her family."

And it's a bit different when a 14 year old is abducted, in sight of a nine year old sister, who was later able to provide evidence to trace the abductor, and an almost 4 year old, and absolutely no evidence to show that an abductor had been in the apartment.

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Post by AndyB on 23.06.14 16:06

@Cristobell wrote:They can't win, nor should they, but they have to see it through.
They shouldn't obviously but they can. Its not unknown for judges to come to decisions that are obviously wrong and that's before we factor in the possibility (however remote) of the judge being persuaded to ignore the evidence.

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Post by tasprin on 23.06.14 16:33

@AndyB wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:They can't win, nor should they, but they have to see it through.
They shouldn't obviously but they can. Its not unknown for judges to come to decisions that are obviously wrong and that's before we factor in the possibility (however remote) of the judge being persuaded to ignore the evidence.

No-one is guaranteed a win I suppose but, if the truth matters at all, then it is incredibly important that Amaral wins this case. 
If the McCanns succeed it will be another terrible blow to free speech imo. They'll be empowered by a win and will begin targeting sites like this one imo. I think their ultimate aim is to remove any and all information that casts doubt on their story.

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Post by Justformaddie on 23.06.14 16:35

How do they expect to win? GA went with the truth of two police forces and facts at that time, the one person who really hindered the search for maddie was her own mother= by NOT answering the 48 questions and then acknowledging she was hindering the search for her long awaited, most loved daughter! IMO no stone unturned eh?

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Post by suzyjohnson on 23.06.14 16:47

What is a police officer likely to conclude from the following evidence? 

1) The father is the last person to see the missing child
2) The only fingerprints on an open window (supposedly used by an abductor to gain entry or to exit) belong to the mother
3) The lichen on the window sill is undisturbed
4) The father changes his story about how he went into the apartment
5) Two specialist dogs alert to the possibility of blood and a dead body within the apartment 
6) The dogs also alert to the car hired by the parents, including the car key and in addition the mother's clothes
7) A witness notices that the car boot is left wide open on several nights
8) Several witnesses claim to have seen a man, not unlike the father, carrying a child resembling the missing child on the night of the supposed abduction
9) Efits are produced by these witnesses but the parents do not give these efits any publicity, they withhold them from their website (for five years)
10) A witness claims to have heard a child crying for over an hour (two nights earlier) despite the parents claim that they checked on the children every half hour
11) The parents do not ask this witness if she heard anything on the night the child disappeared
12) The parents do not ask another potential witness whether he saw anything until three hours after the child disappeared

Etc.

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Post by tasprin on 23.06.14 16:48

@Justformaddie wrote:How do they expect to win? GA went with the truth of two police forces and facts at that time, the one person who really hindered the search for maddie was her own mother= by NOT answering the 48 questions and then acknowledging she was hindering the search for her long awaited, most loved daughter! IMO no stone unturned eh?

By right, they shouldn't stand a cat in hell's chance of winning, but we don't know what may be going on in the background and, as Andy B said, "Its not unknown for judges to come to decisions that are obviously wrong and that's before we factor in the possibility (however remote) of the judge being persuaded to ignore the evidence".

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Post by canada12 on 23.06.14 17:00

IMO what Kate and Gerry thought was going to happen last week was their grand speech to the judge about how badly they'd been impacted by GA's book. They'd dressed the part. Kate had got herself a dull looking, unflattering grey dress which made her look like a neighbourhood nun, and she had her hair done specially make her look worn out, and her makeup had been especially chosen to make the bags under her eyes look prominent and her cheeks sunken. She had transformed herself into Our Lady of the Holy Misery.

IMO it wasn't so much what they were going to say in the courtroom, as what they planned to say to the gathered press outside afterwards. Photo op! And perhaps a second prepared speech in which they planned to highlight all of the horror and downtroddenness that GA had heaped on them with the publication of his vile book. The UK press would have gone home with an entire arsenal of column inches and photographs to illustrate how horrible their lives had become, so that when the verdict was ultimately delivered, if it went against the McCanns, they'd have already illustrated just how unfair it all was that this disgraced sardine-munching policeman had caused so much horribleness to the suffering McCanns.

Except GA stole their spotlight and caused them to go off-script, and the press didn't get their "poor downtrodden us" performance. They got Kate in her suddenly-ridiculous nunnery outfit spitting fire and brimstone and showing them what was really on her mind, and they got Gerry demonstrating his anger at losing control of that very fickle spotlight.

All IMO.

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Post by Newintown on 23.06.14 17:17

I think you summed up Monday 16th June 2014 superbly, Canada12.

It's a day that will go down in history, well in the history of the McCanns.  A day never to be forgotten.    big grin

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Post by suzyjohnson on 23.06.14 17:23

I also agree with your post canada12

The thing that I thought when they said that everytime they go to Lisbon they have to arrange childcare etc. was, who embarked on all of that then? It's not as though they are being dragged into court unfairly by someone else, they decided they wanted to pursue all of this.

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Post by Newintown on 23.06.14 17:29

@suzyjohnson wrote:I also agree with your post canada12

The thing that I thought when they said that everytime they go to Lisbon they have to arrange childcare etc. was, who embarked on all of that then? It's not as though they are being dragged into court unfairly by someone else, they decided they wanted to pursue all of this.

Yes, in their fury and hatred towards GA in that press interview they totally forgot who started off the libel case in the first place (i.e. themselves).  They are so desperate to get their hands on the £1m that all reason has gone out of the window with them.  They expect to get £1m off GA if they win their law suit yet complain that they have to make arrangements for child care for taking out their own law suit in Portugal.  No doubt they would have been advised by their lawyers the problems of taking out a law suit overseas, but all they could see was £££££££ in front of their eyes.

What a pair of to**ers, as the furious one would say.

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Post by tasprin on 23.06.14 17:36

@Newintown wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:I also agree with your post canada12

The thing that I thought when they said that everytime they go to Lisbon they have to arrange childcare etc. was, who embarked on all of that then? It's not as though they are being dragged into court unfairly by someone else, they decided they wanted to pursue all of this.

Yes, in their fury and hatred towards GA in that press interview they totally forgot who started off the libel case.  They are so desperate to get their hands on the £1m that all reason has gone out of the window with them.

As important as the money is to them, imo, I think what they really want is to destroy Amaral.

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Post by Cordelia on 23.06.14 17:38

Canada 12  ...."neighbourhood nun"......I like it .LOl


I wonder if you have forgotten that once the injunction was lifted, Amaral's Book could be sold anywhere in the World I seem to remember it being translated into other Languages as well. Apart from the sequestered E1.2 million , we don't know that he didn't have other money, he had bought an expensive car and had a diamond earring....the McCanns will have probably used Lift Consulting to find out if he still has the Car.He also lives with his Father which shouldn't cost him Rent. I am wondering if the U.K. Press will raise the matter now he is saying he is broke, the McCanns too may be thinking Amaral will ask for a reduction , since Madeleine cannot be part of the settlement , I read somewhere that the Judge assessed her share to be E500,000, if this is true, Amaral can ask for a refund now.

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Post by tiny on 23.06.14 17:42

@tasprin wrote:
@Newintown wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:I also agree with your post canada12

The thing that I thought when they said that everytime they go to Lisbon they have to arrange childcare etc. was, who embarked on all of that then? It's not as though they are being dragged into court unfairly by someone else, they decided they wanted to pursue all of this.

Yes, in their fury and hatred towards GA in that press interview they totally forgot who started off the libel case.  They are so desperate to get their hands on the £1m that all reason has gone out of the window with them.

As important as the money is to them, imo, I think what they really want is to destroy Amaral.

That's my thoughts too,evil bloody pair

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Post by tasprin on 23.06.14 17:48

@Cordelia wrote:Canada 12  ...."neighbourhood nun"......I like it .LOl


I wonder if you have forgotten that once the injunction was lifted, Amaral's Book could be sold anywhere in the World I seem to remember it being translated into other Languages as well. Apart from the sequestered E1.2 million , we don't know that he didn't have other money, he had bought an expensive car and had a diamond earring....the McCanns will have probably used Lift Consulting to find out if he still has the Car.He also lives with his Father which shouldn't cost him Rent. I am wondering if the U.K. Press will raise the matter now he is saying he is broke, the McCanns too may be thinking Amaral will ask for a reduction , since Madeleine cannot be part of the settlement , I read somewhere that the Judge assessed her share to be E500,000, if this is true, Amaral can ask for a refund now.
He doesn't live with his father. His father and mother have both died. A stud diamond earring doesn't cost much and IIRC the car was second hand.

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Post by Cordelia on 23.06.14 17:59

@tasprin wrote:
@Cordelia wrote:Canada 12  ...."neighbourhood nun"......I like it .LOl


I wonder if you have forgotten that once the injunction was lifted, Amaral's Book could be sold anywhere in the World I seem to remember it being translated into other Languages as well. Apart from the sequestered E1.2 million , we don't know that he didn't have other money, he had bought an expensive car and had a diamond earring....the McCanns will have probably used Lift Consulting to find out if he still has the Car.He also lives with his Father which shouldn't cost him Rent. I am wondering if the U.K. Press will raise the matter now he is saying he is broke, the McCanns too may be thinking Amaral will ask for a reduction , since Madeleine cannot be part of the settlement , I read somewhere that the Judge assessed her share to be E500,000, if this is true, Amaral can ask for a refund now.
He doesn't live with his father. His father and mother have both died. A stud diamond earring doesn't cost much and IIRC the car was second hand.

Do you know when his Father died taspriin?  I am playing Job's Comforter because now Amaral has made public the fact that he is broke , you can bet the McCanns will find out what he is worth.

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Post by tasprin on 23.06.14 18:21

I don't know the date Cordelia, but this is an extract from Len Port's book 'A Place Apart' (see mccannfiles.com)

"Amaral sank to a low ebb as well. With pent up frustrations over what he regarded as bias by the UK authorities and non-cooperation by the McCanns, he resigned from the police service and became the target of insults in the British press. His marriage broke down, he moved away from his daughter in Lisbon, grieved over the death of both his mother and father, and lost weight through illness".

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Post by Guest on 23.06.14 18:37

The Mecs?
@notlongnow wrote:Who exactly stopped searching because of his book?

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Post by Brian Griffin on 23.06.14 18:41

I wonder what the situation would look like now had GA remained in the police.

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Post by sallypelt on 23.06.14 18:44

I've just returned home, after being away for 2 days. I haven't heard anything about this case while I was away, but I felt sick when I read this thread a short time ago. I am totally speechless. I hope there are enough decent people out there who put truth and justice above anything else in their lives, and we will all support  Dr GA,  in any way that we can, so that this decent man will stay strong to see this filthy episode brought to a truthful conclusion.

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Post by sami on 23.06.14 18:46

@tasprin wrote:
@Newintown wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:I also agree with your post canada12

The thing that I thought when they said that everytime they go to Lisbon they have to arrange childcare etc. was, who embarked on all of that then? It's not as though they are being dragged into court unfairly by someone else, they decided they wanted to pursue all of this.

Yes, in their fury and hatred towards GA in that press interview they totally forgot who started off the libel case.  They are so desperate to get their hands on the £1m that all reason has gone out of the window with them.

As important as the money is to them, imo, I think what they really want is to destroy Amaral.


What they really want is for Amaral to be forbidden from ever speaking about them again.  He may not be able to prove in a court of law what they did, but he has a very very good idea about what went on.

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Post by Brian Griffin on 23.06.14 19:21

Yeah, free speech my arse! It's a wonder this site hasn't been shut down come to think of it.

I think Tony is brave for continuing to discuss the case after what he has been subjected to actually.

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