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Post by Guest 20.06.14 22:27

I cannot say it often enough. IMO Nige is on a roll these days. And rightly so.
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Châtelaine wrote:I cannot say it often enough. IMO Nige is on a roll these days. And rightly so.
He certainly is. Great stuff.
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Post by aiyoyo 21.06.14 7:33

Poe wrote:
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Just a thought Cordelia.....wouldn't the Mccann's lawyer have known what papers ( court woc ) the Mccann's would need when they first set out on this libel trial ?     She has had YEARS to prepare for the final stage !   
 If it turns out she didn't know about the need for those papers then, as their lawyer, imo she should have done her homework better.

But we also remember the finest Libel Lawyers in the world, who had also had YEARS to prepare, and had gone to the trouble and expense of preparing a sworn affidavit . .  had NO EVIDENCE to put before the Court of Abduction.

However good the lawyer, however mendacious the spokesman, however hard they may try, they cannot create Facts where there are none.
Hi PeterMac,

Yes, the oh so mighty lawyer firm  - had to admit in court they had no actual evidence of abduction.....  wait for it :

Their clients TOLD them that it was an abduction !

I have no legal expertise but I would have thought that all lawyers would insist on some kind of full disclosure indemnity.

So, if Isabel Duarte had been told by the McCanns about the woc she would have a legal duty to advise them of the full implications but been instructed by her clients to ignore it. However, if the McCanns failed to informed ID about the woc, she was under no obligation to investigate.

Isabel Duarte may be the best lawyer in the world (possibly not) but she can only follow her clients' instructions and work with the information she is given.

Wonder whether she was caught by surprise when this issue was raised in Court !
Imagine finding out in such a dramatic way your client withheld info from you.

The air at last Monday meet between ID and Mcc (first one post MET digging operation) must be tense and uncomfortable. ID knew Maddie is dead and Met looking for the body, and the Mccanns knew ID knew.

ID: SOooo..... any idea what the dig was about?

Kate: uhmm...nope! There is a simple explanation for anything they may or may not find.

Gerry: Oh, they've got nothing, nothing on us.
If the little girl's missing body is found why should it be our fault. They can't prove anything.

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Post by Angelique 21.06.14 8:20

Yes a good post from Nigel Moore - everything the McCanns do is for show. But is this the McCanns machinations or their "handlers" and why would they keep doing this parade of deceit and underhand dealings just to misinform the public. At the time of Gerry's impromptu flying visit it could have been said that he was concerned about the poor presentation by the witnesses on their behalf. But who and in what department of what organisation would send Gerry and Kate hither and wither on these ridiculous time and money wasting endeavours just to reinforce how innocent they are.

What is it they don't want anyone to know about what is really going on?

Is this what they are going to have to continue to do and for how long?

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Post by jeanmonroe 21.06.14 11:15

Ever noticed how SY/MET 'team' always 'get very busy' EVERYTIME and just before the McCanns are due in Portugal for libel case 'appearance'?

Coincidental?

a quote from Kate McCann: "As a lawyer once said to me, apropos another matter, 'One coincidence, two coincidences – maybe they're still coincidences. Any more than that and it stops being coincidence.'

According to this reasoning, three or more coincidences within a given context are unlikely all to be chance occurrences.

I wonder if we'll get, coincidentally, the elite MET 'suspects/burglators' er, umm 'interviews' just a few days BEFORE 8th July, when yet again, the McCanns are due back in Portugal for the libel case?

That would surely be just purely 'coincidental', wouldn't it?

eta: Do the McCanns and the Met 'team' seriously think the judge hasn't witnessed and seen, for herself, the er, um, sudden interaction and cooperation, between 'team McCann' and the MET investigating team, 'around' their 'officially scheduled' libel case 'appearances'?

But not even the MET can 'control' what comes out of the 'fish wife's' mouth!


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Post by jeanmonroe 21.06.14 11:44

The Libel case was postponed, by a postponement ASKED for by the McCann's lawyer, ID.

January 7th 2014.

Postponement of Libel Trial for 07 January 2014

 Gonçalo Amaral's lawyer filed a request for the court to evaluate the McCann couple's legitimacy to file a lawsuit in their daughter's name, as she is a Ward of Court in the UK.

He did not ask for any postponement. It was the judge that issued a 15-day deadline for him to submit the relevant documentation.

Afterwards, Dr Isabel Duarte filed a document that is related to Mr Alan Pike, and asked for a postponement of Tuesday's session.

This information is not covered by judicial secrecy and can be freely shared.
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So what was KM 'banging on/ bleating about' her having to be put out about making child care 'arrangements' for her two remaining kids, when she had FIVE (5) MONTHS to make 'child care arrangements' BEFORE, her appearance in Portugal on 16th June 2014?

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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Post by HelenMeg 21.06.14 12:21

jeanmonroe wrote:Ever noticed how SY/MET 'team' always 'get very busy' EVERYTIME and just before the McCanns are due in Portugal for libel case 'appearance'?

Coincidental?

a quote from Kate McCann: "As a lawyer once said to me, apropos another matter, 'One coincidence, two coincidences – maybe they're still coincidences. Any more than that and it stops being coincidence.'

According to this reasoning, three or more coincidences within a given context are unlikely all to be chance occurrences.

I wonder if we'll get, coincidentally, the elite MET 'suspects/burglators' er, umm 'interviews' just a few days BEFORE 8th July, when yet again, the McCanns are due back in Portugal for the libel case?

That would surely be just purely 'coincidental', wouldn't it?

eta: Do the McCanns and the Met 'team' seriously think the judge hasn't witnessed and seen, for herself, the er, um, sudden interaction and cooperation, between 'team McCann' and the MET investigating team, 'around' their 'officially scheduled' libel case 'appearances'?

But not even the MET can 'control' what comes out of the 'fish wife's' mouth!


Yes we can watch and see if there is a buzz of activity leading up to 8th July....
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Post by j.rob 21.06.14 13:13

Ollie wrote:Clearly the McCanns children were a hindrance in May 2007 so they were put into the crèche all day then left on their own (allegedly) at night.  After the postponement KM whined about having to make childcare arrangements, so they are still a hindrance. Any other parent would of said that they had to leave their children at home, how much they miss them, but not this pair. Their priority is themselves and money...joint first place.


Yes that comment is so telling. They never particularly bothered with childcare arrangements on holiday, did they? You never know, if their childcare plans are similar to the ones they made on holiday, perhaps the Big Bad Nasty Abductor - who is still 'out there' according to the McCanns - might steal one of their surviving children.

Which could keep The Fund rolling for at least another seven years. 

As Kate writes in her book: "I have come to understand that some of these critics have been acting out of self-preservation. Holding us culpable in some way makes them feel their own children are safer."

Indeed. I'll feel my children are a lot safer when those responsible for Madeleine's disappearance are locked up.
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Post by j.rob 21.06.14 13:15

tasprin wrote:
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LOL I'm having trouble posting pics. Take a look at the advert from the screen shot on the mccannfiles.

 big grin  That's a cracker MRNOODLES!


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I don't think that juxtaposition is a coincidence, by the way.
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Post by tasprin 21.06.14 14:10

Agree j.rob

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Post by j.rob 21.06.14 16:15

Poe wrote:
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kevmack wrote:As for Amaral's lawyer not ripping into witnesses like, Pike, Loach, Trish Cameron, Michael Wright etc, he hardly needed to, they were a complete disaster all on their own, in fact sometimes, when a witness flounders around under oath, unable to answer the questions of the judge, it's probably better that the defence lawyer just sits there, shrugging their shoulders and saying "nothing more to add to that your honour"

Exactly

All the so called expert witnesses for the Mcs were in fact useless !!! IMO, GA should win this no problem and I'm hoping him sacking his Lawyer is nothing to do with this and something entirely different. Fingers Crossed !!!


Isabel Duarte said, "For the first time in 35 years of practice I saw a lawyer with a revoked asking the judge to make an application on behalf of the former client proxy. Judge and authorized lawyer asked that the session be postponed, which actually came to pass."

If there had been any animosity between GA and his lawyer, the lawyer would have simply walked away. He didn't, he went to the judge and asked for a postponement on behalf of his former client.

In Isabel Duarte's 35 years of  practice, this has never happened before. It must be tactical.


Sometimes you have to play people at their own game. Amaral must have the measure of them by now. He knows that they will throw the toys out of the pram, have a hissy fit etc.

The fact that they choose to give an interview and whinged about having to make childcare arrangements (and not even be aware of the exquisite irony of this!!) shows how deluded they are. They have completely misjudged public opinion. They are under some kind of illusion that the general public and the press are still in awe of them and still feel sympathy for them.

(I wonder if they even do look after their surviving children these days, given their comment about childcare?? I wonder why they said that - given that it is so ironic? Surely they would have realized the irony behind that comment. Or is there some other reason they said that, a reason so huge that it overpowered any sense of irony.....)

Hmmmm.......

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Post by j.rob 21.06.14 17:13

This might already be on these boards. But the opinion of George Laird who knew Gerry at Glasgow University is interesting. Laird is involved with the Campaign for Human Rights.

On 14/02/10 he writes: The decision by Gerald Patrick and Kate McCann to pursue Gonçalo Amaral was a mistake, rather than stopping information coming into the public domain they created a flood.

A National Policy Investigation report, a British private body considers that not only the abduction should be investigated but also the death of Madeleine McCann.

The report states that criminal profiler Lee Rainbow who went to Praia da Luz had 'a strong conviction of the parent’s involvement into their daughter’s disappearance'.

It seems that the McCann bubble has finally burst.
Amazing - that was over four years ago!!


http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/02/mccann-twins-may-hold-clues-says.html
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Post by j.rob 21.06.14 18:05

They threw away the 'get out of jail' card when the case was shelved by the Portuguese. Could have put heads down.

Still, there were so many people who wanted to get their hands on the Madeleine 'cash cow', weren't there?

Where there's muck there's brass, as the saying goes.

Wonder how much Carter Ruck have made out of all this?
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Post by AndyB 21.06.14 18:09

j.rob wrote:This might already be on these boards. But the opinion of George Laird who knew Gerry at Glasgow University is interesting. Laird is involved with the Campaign for Human Rights.

On 14/02/10 he writes: The decision by Gerald Patrick and Kate McCann to pursue Gonçalo Amaral was a mistake, rather than stopping information coming into the public domain they created a flood.
The Streisand effect
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Post by PeterMac 21.06.14 21:54

j.rob wrote:They threw away the 'get out of jail' card when the case was shelved by the Portuguese. Could have put heads down.
Still, there were so many people who wanted to get their hands on the Madeleine 'cash cow', weren't there?
Where there's muck there's brass, as the saying goes.
Wonder how much Carter Ruck have made out of all this?

That has always intrigued me.
They could have presented themselves as permanent victims for all time, and have had everyone fawning on them.
The could also have continued to "Search for Madeleine"  Whatever that actually means
Instead they chose another route which is proving "unhelpful" to their cause.

I gave no idea what C-R have actually made out of Madeleine's death. I do not know how much they made out of the deaths and serious injuries cause by Trafigura, who they also represented.
(But they were black kids, so they don't matter to a firm as important as C-R.  Libel is what matters. )

Kate in [i]Exhibit KH 1/[i] said they were working pro-bono, but that miraculously turned into a third of million pound "legal threat" against TB
and now they are reaping the benefits of a third of his State Pension, for the rest of his life. . .
A nice bottle of Bollinger every Friday afternoon I expect.
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Post by j.rob 21.06.14 22:31

Well, some people are psychopaths.

If Kate said they were working 'pro bono' I would imagine that means something a little bit different, imo.

How many people did this repulsive couple 'bring down' (apart from their own innocent daughter) in their repulsive self-delusion and avarice.

All in my own opinion.
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I gave no idea what C-R have actually made out of Madeleine's death. I do not know how much they made out of the deaths and serious injuries cause by Trafigura, who they also represented.
(But they were black kids, so they don't matter to a firm as important as C-R.  Libel is what matters. )





Quite. I have to say, when I saw podgy-faced AT of Farter boasting about how one of the highlights of his 'career' was 'winning' in the Express case in support of the hideous 'tapas' mafia......


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Post by Tony Bennett 21.06.14 22:38

PeterMac wrote:
j.rob wrote:They threw away the 'get out of jail' card when the case was shelved by the Portuguese. Could have put heads down.

That has always intrigued me.
They could have presented themselves as permanent victims for all time, and have had everyone fawning on them.
In analysing this puzzle, I suggest we must start with asking ourselves why it was so necessary for the government to send out, full-time, the Director of its Media Monitoring Unit, Clarence Mitchell.

We must then take into account the incredible degree of control he has exerted over the media since then, albeit that the blood, body fluids, cadaver odour and their being made suspects temporariiy dented his control - until (a) getting Amaral out of the way and (b) the McCanns obtaining their libel settlement against Express Newspapers and other media. Since then, Mitchell has reigned supreme.

Then we must examine the extent of Mitchell's contacts with the Murdoch empire.

Fourth, we must question why the Prime Minister of the U.K. buckled to the jumped-up redhead Rebekah Brooks and agreed to an open-ended and very costly review and investigation which, on so many levels, has not made sense. Even those members here who think that 'this is Scotland Yard, it must be a genuine investigation' are struggling to make sense of it, saying 'we don't really know what is going on'.

I suggest that all these things point to a bigger picture.

A much bigger picture.    

As j.rob and PeterMac both concede, there was no need to carry on with the private investigations; these have achieved nothing except perhaps a series of newspaper headlines.

Cameron could simply have said 'No' to Brooks. He could have said: 'The investigation belongs to Portugal, if anyone has any evidence, they should go to them'.

I don't for one moment think that all these things are driven by the McCanns.

I am sure there are other individuals, maybe people who know too much, who are keeping this going - and want to maintain the narrative:

McCanns innocent;

Portuguese police useless;

we have done everything we can to help the McCanns/to solve this appalling abduction.

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by canada12 21.06.14 22:47

And I think it speaks volumes that in all of the past seven years, with all of the mentions of David Payne and the "p" word, there hasn't been one hint of a libel or slander lawsuit forthcoming. Not even when Gerry himself was included in the Gaspars' statements and those statements have been discussed online with impunity. You'd have thought Gerry would have taken action, even if David Payne didn't. IMO.
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Post by TheTruthWillOut 21.06.14 23:15

While that is true, when Tony says bigger picture I'm thinking something not directly connected to what happened to Madeleine. Something that RB knows about to convince Cameron to set up the review and now 'investigation'.

It is really confusing though. With GA's recent comments making it absolutely clear SY/UK Embassy/MI5 etc were involved from very early on, why were Mark Harrison, Martin Grime and dogs ever allowed to be sent to Portugal in the first place?

I would of thought that if something huge to do with the government had to be protected the K.I.S.S rule would have been followed and the case wrapped up within weeks and the public would have relatively quickly forgot about it.

I honestly can't fathom it... angrypcuser
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Post by roy rovers 21.06.14 23:53

Tony Bennett wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
j.rob wrote:They threw away the 'get out of jail' card when the case was shelved by the Portuguese. Could have put heads down.

That has always intrigued me.
They could have presented themselves as permanent victims for all time, and have had everyone fawning on them.
In analysing this puzzle, I suggest we must start with asking ourselves why it was so necessary for the government to send out, full-time, the Director of its Media Monitoring Unit, Clarence Mitchell.

We must then take into account the incredible degree of control he has exerted over the media since then, albeit that the blood, body fluids, cadaver odour and their being made suspects temporariiy dented his control - until (a) getting Amaral out of the way and (b) the McCanns obtaining their libel settlement against Express Newspapers and other media. Since then, Mitchell has reigned supreme.

Then we must examine the extent of Mitchell's contacts with the Murdoch empire.

Fourth, we must question why the Prime Minister of the U.K. buckled to the jumped-up redhead Rebekah Brooks and agreed to an open-ended and very costly review and investigation which, on so many levels, has not made sense. Even those members here who think that 'this is Scotland Yard, it must be a genuine investigation' are struggling to make sense of it, saying 'we don't really know what is going on'.

I suggest that all these things point to a bigger picture.

A much bigger picture.    

As j.rob and PeterMac both concede, there was no need to carry on with the private investigations; these have achieved nothing except perhaps a series of newspaper headlines.

Cameron could simply have said 'No' to Brooks. He could have said: 'The investigation belongs to Portugal, if anyone has any evidence, they should go to them'.

I don't for one moment think that all these things are driven by the McCanns.

I am sure there are other individuals, maybe people who know too much, who are keeping this going - and want to maintain the narrative:

McCanns innocent;

Portuguese police useless;

we have done everything we can to help the McCanns/to solve this appalling abduction.
OK Tony right you are - somebody above David Cameron the prime minister of the British Government and Rebekah Brooks the chief executive officer of News International the most influential British media organisation. Who? God? The man on the moon? The Right Worshipful Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of the Masons? I smell a conspiracy theory!
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Post by Okeydokey 22.06.14 1:13

Tony Bennett wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
j.rob wrote:They threw away the 'get out of jail' card when the case was shelved by the Portuguese. Could have put heads down.

That has always intrigued me.
They could have presented themselves as permanent victims for all time, and have had everyone fawning on them.
In analysing this puzzle, I suggest we must start with asking ourselves why it was so necessary for the government to send out, full-time, the Director of its Media Monitoring Unit, Clarence Mitchell.

We must then take into account the incredible degree of control he has exerted over the media since then, albeit that the blood, body fluids, cadaver odour and their being made suspects temporariiy dented his control - until (a) getting Amaral out of the way and (b) the McCanns obtaining their libel settlement against Express Newspapers and other media. Since then, Mitchell has reigned supreme.

Then we must examine the extent of Mitchell's contacts with the Murdoch empire.

Fourth, we must question why the Prime Minister of the U.K. buckled to the jumped-up redhead Rebekah Brooks and agreed to an open-ended and very costly review and investigation which, on so many levels, has not made sense. Even those members here who think that 'this is Scotland Yard, it must be a genuine investigation' are struggling to make sense of it, saying 'we don't really know what is going on'.

I suggest that all these things point to a bigger picture.

A much bigger picture.    

As j.rob and PeterMac both concede, there was no need to carry on with the private investigations; these have achieved nothing except perhaps a series of newspaper headlines.

Cameron could simply have said 'No' to Brooks. He could have said: 'The investigation belongs to Portugal, if anyone has any evidence, they should go to them'.

I don't for one moment think that all these things are driven by the McCanns.

I am sure there are other individuals, maybe people who know too much, who are keeping this going - and want to maintain the narrative:

McCanns innocent;

Portuguese police useless;

we have done everything we can to help the McCanns/to solve this appalling abduction.

Interesting.

The way I see it you, like many others, underestimate the natural genius of Gerry McCann for media and people manipulation. 

As for sending out MI5 and all the rest, you have to think back to 2007 and recall this was (and remains) the BIGGEST EVER crime story in our news media.  It far exceeds in column inches and any other measure, any other crime reported in our media over the last 200 years. No government could ignore it and it follows that any UK government was going to devote huge state resources to it.

Then take into account Portugal is our oldest ally and enjoys great strategic assets in its Atlantic seaboard, and Atlantic islands (e.g. the Azores). For me the UK  government saw within a few days the need to attempt to  control the media narrative AND the investigation, to ensure vital interests were not threatened and also to ensure government competence was not called into question.  I suspect - but have no proof - that there was a central government committee probably comprising Home Office, Police and Foreign Office officials who were reviewing all aspects of the case including the outflow of evidence from the UK (hence the otherwise unaccountable delay of months in forwarding the Gaspar letter).

Clarence's later involvement I think was more to do with personal advancement, though no doubt his appointment had government blessing. However I think he went completely "native" once he was out of government service.  How else to account for his absurd statement that none of the Tapas 9 had watches or mobile phones with them on the evening of the alleged abduction?

I think the Murdoch connection is via Freud (Clement Freud to Matthew Freud and then Elizabeth Murdoch (MF's wife). I have no doubt that GMcC will have ruthlessly exploited such connections once they fortuitously come his way.

But Murdoch is just one of Gerry's incredible coups.  What about the way Justice Hogg seemed to be almost swooning in court in admiration of the McCanns? - before they had even been released from Arguido status. What about getting the Vatican signed up? What about the way he has working class Irish Nationalistic sentiment, so getting people like Kevin McGuire of the Mirror seem to suspend all judgement when it comes to the McCanns? What about the Freemasonry connection?

Why exactly Team McCann have continued to maintain their narrative despite all the many serious inconsistencies and evidential black holes, remains a mystery. However there was clearly something big enough in terms of motivation for the Tapas 9 to argue all sorts of crazy, inconsistent and contradictory stuff - varying over time, of course.  I could list at least 20 major inconsistencies but let's just remind ourselves of one: the claim that Madeleine could not have wandered because she wasn't that sort of child...when we know from the home star chart that Madeleine had a tendency to wake at night and go looking for her parents.  Why would any parent or friend of a parent want to deny that possibility and cling limpet-like to the notion of a predator from the first to the last?
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Post by ultimaThule 22.06.14 3:00

"but let's just remind ourselves of one: the claim that Madeleine could not have wandered because she wasn't that sort of child...when we know from the home star chart that Madeleine had a tendency to wake at night and go looking for her parents.  Why would any parent or friend of a parent want to deny that possibility and cling limpet-like to the notion of a predator from the first to the last?"

They had to claim abduction from the off as if they'd admitted the child may have woken up, gone in search of her parents, and may have then fallen into the clutches of a predator,  they would have attracted world wide condemnation for leaving her in an unlocked apartment and Gerry's  'wider agenda' wouldn't have got off the ground.  As it is, his masterplan proved to be something of a damp squib which fell to earth shortly after lift off.  

Fwiw, I can't agree that the wee one has a natural genius for "media and people manipulation",  okeydokey, as the fact that he's not strutting the world stage as a man of gravitas, expert on child abduction, lauded both sides of the Atlantic, etc, etc, suggests that he repels more people than he attracts.
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