British Police hiding evidence in Maddie case.

sallypelt wrote:

SallyVern wrote:I trust Dr Amaral and considering the length of time it took to move Madeleine's body then his theory makes sense. I recall (a rumour?) he said evidence had been found suggesting Madelene's body was frozen prior to being moved in the hire car. Maybe frozen while waiting for the first available funeral? but it's a huge gamble to take. What if someone looked in the coffin prior to the cremation.

I can't remember the guy's name, the one that stored the hire car for the McCanns. Maybe his freezer should undergo forensic examination just to make sure.

It would be interesting to know who this woman was, and when was the funeral, exactly. Moreover, do we have on record, the times that the McCann's visited the church, and if so, did they ever go there in a car, or did they go at night? They did have a key, so they could go whenever they wanted to.

truthfultiger wrote:I don't think it would be beyond their with to hide the body in someone else's coffin covertly. Most churches have a diary lying around, into which you can book use of the church or hall. You would just need to sneak a peak at this to tell when the next funeral was to take place. It would not be necessary to know if it was to be a cremation or burial, although from the point of view of concealing evidence it is better if it is a cremation. I believe that the McCann's were allowed to access the church at odd times to avoid the press which would theoretically make it much easier to hide a body in another coffin. Not sure how you would get the lid off but probably doable...

In my opinion this would explain a lot in terms of the hire car. If the body was refrigerated while they waited for a funeral then moved in the car to the church... Or items such as the blue bag which had Perhaps been used to carry her were moved in the car for disposal.

Does anyone know out you can DNA test Ashes?

On another note, I believe that one or both of the McCanns are psychopaths and that they quite possibly targeted the church as a way of disposing of the body, knowing that people within the church would perhaps be easier to manipulate (as they are more likely to be sympathetic and try to see the good in people). It is quite common for psychopaths to engage in religious activities as it is often easier to exploit people in these situations.

ChippyM wrote:Are bodies really left in coffins unnattended in churches in Portugal? I find it hard to believe unless traditions are very different.

 In the UK the body is kept at a funeral home and then transported to the church or cemetery for the funeral.

sallypelt wrote:

ChippyM wrote:Are bodies really left in coffins unnattended in churches in Portugal? I find it hard to believe unless traditions are very different.

 In the UK the body is kept at a funeral home and then transported to the church or cemetery for the funeral.

True ChippyM. I am not familiar with Portuguese laws, but the point I was making was that it's not unusual to leave the lid open, as in not screwed down, until closer to the day of the funeral. Maybe there was a place in the church in Portugal that was similar to the UK's Chapel of Rest.

beijos wrote:Is this whole thread for real? I've never seen a crematorium in Portugal let alone hearing of a cremation taking place.

sallypelt wrote:It's worth going over old ground once in a while.  This article, for example, may add something to the jigsaw of what happened to Madeleine McCann's body.


Portuguese priest 'ruined' by McCanns
Catholic News ^  | 12 Dec 07 | Anon

Posted on ‎12‎/‎12‎/‎2007‎ ‎12‎:‎22‎:‎41 by BlackVeil

The Portugese priest who gave solace to the McCann family after the ‘disappearance’ of their daughter Madeleine has stripped his church of all traces of the girl, with friends saying the experience has left him “ruined”.

The Express reports seven months after the tragedy, Fr Jose Manuel Pacheco ordered the removal of scores of green and yellow ribbons which were put up as a symbol of hope in the days after Madeleine vanished.

Posters and photographs of Madeleine which plastered the village of Praia da Luz have also been removed.

Friends of Fr Pacheco – who came under police scrutiny after he gave the keys to his church to Gerry and Kate McCann to allow them to pray round the clock – say they fear for his health and that his life is now ruined.

Fr Pacheco was questioned twice by detectives, and the church and its grounds were searched by police.

Investigators became convinced Kate had confessed to him – but Fr Pacheco insisted he would stand by his priestly vow.

A close friend of Fr Pacheco said the priest becomes irate at the mention of the Madeleine case and that even close friends must tread carefully when broaching the subject.

“He says that it is an extremely unpleasant situation and that the McCann family only ever brought him problems. He told one friend they ruined his life,” the friend said.

“He just wants to get on with his peaceful life before the McCann whirlwind raped his world. This has all been a very bad experience for him."

Another friend described Fr Pacheco as a “nervous wreck” and that he was “hiding secrets that are destroying him.”

There has been no comment from Fr Pacheco

Praia wrote:Those of us who were following events closely in 2007 will remember an enormous fuss being made over the sealed pet crematorium. The PJ confirmed the seals on it were never tampered with. But this...?
I know a couple of English residents who were cremated up north.

ChippyM wrote:Are bodies really left in coffins unnattended in churches in Portugal? I find it hard to believe unless traditions are very different.

 In the UK the body is kept at a funeral home and then transported to the church or cemetery for the funeral.

beijos wrote:Is this whole thread for real? I've never seen a crematorium in Portugal let alone hearing of a cremation taking place.

SallyVern wrote:

sallypelt wrote:It's worth going over old ground once in a while.  This article, for example, may add something to the jigsaw of what happened to Madeleine McCann's body.


Portuguese priest 'ruined' by McCanns
Catholic News ^  | 12 Dec 07 | Anon

Posted on ‎12‎/‎12‎/‎2007‎ ‎12‎:‎22‎:‎41 by BlackVeil

The Portugese priest who gave solace to the McCann family after the ‘disappearance’ of their daughter Madeleine has stripped his church of all traces of the girl, with friends saying the experience has left him “ruined”.

The Express reports seven months after the tragedy, Fr Jose Manuel Pacheco ordered the removal of scores of green and yellow ribbons which were put up as a symbol of hope in the days after Madeleine vanished.

Posters and photographs of Madeleine which plastered the village of Praia da Luz have also been removed.

Friends of Fr Pacheco – who came under police scrutiny after he gave the keys to his church to Gerry and Kate McCann to allow them to pray round the clock – say they fear for his health and that his life is now ruined.

Fr Pacheco was questioned twice by detectives, and the church and its grounds were searched by police.

Investigators became convinced Kate had confessed to him – but Fr Pacheco insisted he would stand by his priestly vow.

A close friend of Fr Pacheco said the priest becomes irate at the mention of the Madeleine case and that even close friends must tread carefully when broaching the subject.

“He says that it is an extremely unpleasant situation and that the McCann family only ever brought him problems. He told one friend they ruined his life,” the friend said.

“He just wants to get on with his peaceful life before the McCann whirlwind raped his world. This has all been a very bad experience for him."

Another friend described Fr Pacheco as a “nervous wreck” and that he was “hiding secrets that are destroying him.”

There has been no comment from Fr Pacheco

Thank you SallyPelt. After reading what you posted I searched the PJ Files for Father Pacheco. Interesting to read in his statement that it was John Geraghty who suggested giving the church keys to the McCanns. Looks as if he's instrumental in a couple of things then, access to the church and storing their hire car after forensics. I'm convinced now that if Madeleine's body was frozen he might be the person they'd turn to. Only in my opinion of course.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FATHER_PACHECO.htm

Southern Portugal’s only crematorium closed

02-06-2007 00:00:00

The only crematorium in Southern Portugal, in Ferreira do Alentejo, has been closed after six years of non-stop cremations so the incinerator could undergo a thorough inspection and maintenance. Meanwhile, families opting for a cremation, now face exorbitant prices, as funeral homes are now charging one euro a kilometre to take a body from the Algarve to Lisbon and beyond.

Corpses waiting for cremation have had to be put on hold with growing backlogs a common problem, especially in the Algarve.
One funeral agency in Loulé had a body in its fridge for more than 15 days, waiting for the maintenance service to be completed, though the family later decided to send the body to be cremated in Lisbon.
Excluding the cremation, the family had to pay around €250 to have the body of a loved one delivered at a crematorium in the Portuguese capital.
Suspicions have been raised due to the duration of the maintenance service, which commenced over a month ago, despite spokesperson of Portugal’s other four crematoriums (two in Lisbon, two in Oporto) claiming standard maintenance services take little more than three days.
Local authorities have guaranteed the crematorium will be up and running by June 5th.
The Ferreira do Alentejo crematorium was privately founded after a significant donation form local benefactor Mariano Faria who’s dying wish was to be cremated in his place of birth.

Southern Portugal’s only crematorium closed

02-06-2007 00:00:00

The only crematorium in Southern Portugal, in Ferreira do Alentejo, has been closed after six years of non-stop cremations so the incinerator could undergo a thorough inspection and maintenance. Meanwhile, families opting for a cremation, now face exorbitant prices, as funeral homes are now charging one euro a kilometre to take a body from the Algarve to Lisbon and beyond.

Corpses waiting for cremation have had to be put on hold with growing backlogs a common problem, especially in the Algarve.
One funeral agency in Loulé had a body in its fridge for more than 15 days, waiting for the maintenance service to be completed, though the family later decided to send the body to be cremated in Lisbon.
Excluding the cremation, the family had to pay around €250 to have the body of a loved one delivered at a crematorium in the Portuguese capital.
Suspicions have been raised due to the duration of the maintenance service, which commenced over a month ago, despite spokesperson of Portugal’s other four crematoriums (two in Lisbon, two in Oporto) claiming standard maintenance services take little more than three days.
Local authorities have guaranteed the crematorium will be up and running by June 5th.
The Ferreira do Alentejo crematorium was privately founded after a significant donation form local benefactor Mariano Faria who’s dying wish was to be cremated in his place of birth.